How Effective Are Modern Air Defenses?

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  • @5astelija75
    @5astelija75 Před 3 lety +1198

    The "includes paid promotion" got me worried because I really couldn't afford another missile defense system

    • @carpetclimber4027
      @carpetclimber4027 Před 3 lety +47

      Another?

    • @TheReactiverse
      @TheReactiverse Před 3 lety +10

      Lol 😂

    • @BlvxkByrd
      @BlvxkByrd Před 3 lety +40

      @@carpetclimber4027 He has 2 on his roof, I installed them. With those babies installed, he's safe from intercontinental ballistic missiles

    • @gubocci
      @gubocci Před 3 lety +4

      Nerokasta

    • @snspartan714al2
      @snspartan714al2 Před 3 lety +9

      Well can I interest you in a cwiss system for close in defense? For those pesky threats that may get past the other missile defense systems

  • @maxchumka
    @maxchumka Před 3 lety +1035

    This is why i love this channel: no bias and just cold facts from different angles.

    • @fatgirlboy9341
      @fatgirlboy9341 Před 3 lety +7

      Kreo it is bias and copy binkov. binkov is unbiased.

    • @WimsicleStranger
      @WimsicleStranger Před 3 lety +65

      @@fatgirlboy9341 This doesn't copy binkov at all...

    • @noodles5438
      @noodles5438 Před 3 lety +52

      John Law Binkov mostly talks about possible ideas for a War or Battle, Cable mostly talks about the Future, and Present branches of warfare and geopolitical conflicts. Each stay to their own realm. How is Covert Cable Biased, can you give me an example?

    • @maxchumka
      @maxchumka Před 3 lety +13

      @@fatgirlboy9341 I'd love to see where Covert Cabal went from unbiased review to a clearly taking sides.

    • @adm4939
      @adm4939 Před 3 lety +2

      Thats what Kove wants you to think

  • @projectill
    @projectill Před 3 lety +403

    We know for sure AA is effective against civilian airliners. Tested in real life conditions :(

    • @SerjLevonyuk
      @SerjLevonyuk Před 3 lety +40

      What if I tell you that all weapons are firstly created to protect goverment from they own people, secondarily to impose will upon udeveloped countries and finally to fight against equal foe.

    • @dingus6317
      @dingus6317 Před 3 lety +11

      Serj Levonyuk Proofs?

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 Před 3 lety +13

      @@SerjLevonyuk that you know nothing about the real world, thats what i believe

    • @Khyrid
      @Khyrid Před 3 lety +9

      @@carso1500 There is probably a little bit of truth to what he said tho.

    • @cinegraphics
      @cinegraphics Před 3 lety +6

      It's Israel's fault. Their military planes often attack ground targets in other countries, then hide behind civilian airplanes. If a missile is following them at that moment, they sometimes accidentally hit the civilian airplanes. What Israeli airplanes do is basically using civilians and children as live shield. But the news then blame it all on the enemy, never even mentioning this disgusting tactics.

  • @uss_04
    @uss_04 Před 3 lety +59

    03:09
    Love how in movies, like the Incredibles, Surface to Air Missiles just close in and try to “Dance” with their targets while they do aileron rolls until the Missile “kisses” their target

    • @tyvernoverlord5363
      @tyvernoverlord5363 Před 3 lety +10

      The lumbering "deathstar" SAM, it such a funny trope. Too many believe it to be reality though...

  • @meme4one
    @meme4one Před 3 lety +164

    These systems are more effective when not used, with the enemy not knowing how good or bad they are and just leaving them in areas to deny airspace because the fact that AA systems are there is enough to deter the enemy.

    • @Riceball01
      @Riceball01 Před 3 lety +21

      That could easily be why Syria hasn't used their newest AD systems yet, they're saving them for when they really need them. Use them on a small raid they might end up giving the Israelis valuable intelligence on the system's actual capabilities and potentially compromise their air defense at a time when the Israelis might be coming in for more than a simple raid.

    • @meme4one
      @meme4one Před 3 lety

      @@Riceball01 exactly.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM Před 3 lety +1

      Like Star Wars; or nukes.

    • @gooble69
      @gooble69 Před 3 lety +1

      You would think that AA can be easily tested with a handful of cheaper sacrificial drones or even RC aircraft. Fly a few decoy sorties over defended areas and see how effective AA really is.

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 Před 3 lety +6

      @@gooble69 That is why you need light AA to cover up heavier ones. Heavy AA simply should not engage drones/decoys.

  • @fumega
    @fumega Před 3 lety +4

    The thing about these systems, and what most people don't understand, is that they are NOT a silver bullet. By themselves, they cannot do much. They are a part of a layered defense approach, where you have multiple layers, both on the ground and in the air, and, if those systems are used correctly, they are very capable. But if they are not, they will be quickly neutralized. For example, if you have one battery of the S-300, and if it's always on the same location, it can, and WILL, be neutralized.

  • @DisregardKD
    @DisregardKD Před 3 lety +182

    Anyone that tries to be first gets a Covert Cabal Nuclear missile straight to their computer.

  • @SimonNZ6969
    @SimonNZ6969 Před 3 lety +99

    Imagine that. "Hey here's a shield to help protect you. One catch. Never actually use it. It might not work."

    • @grubbybum3614
      @grubbybum3614 Před 3 lety +1

      @Melani Natasha even before the deployment, Israel very rarely bombed the northern parts of Syria.

    • @Bizzon666
      @Bizzon666 Před 3 lety +4

      Yeah, Patriot has very bad operational results indeed.

    • @silphonym
      @silphonym Před 3 lety +2

      Now imagine the other side. One spear, one throw, will likely break if it hits a shield.
      This is how deterrence works.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM Před 3 lety

      @@silphonym But a nuke is the equivalent of a bullet against the shield.

    • @heyhoe168
      @heyhoe168 Před 3 lety +7

      @@JonatasAdoM no, the nuke is the equivalent of f**king grenade in the bar fistfight.

  • @edricklawrenceong7776
    @edricklawrenceong7776 Před 3 lety +25

    Anyone's who has played Defcon will know that even with air defenses, once the ICBMs start flying, everyone loses. Nuclear War: the only winning move is not to play.

    • @MrSpruce
      @MrSpruce Před 3 lety

      Greetings professor Falken.

  • @spekenbonen72
    @spekenbonen72 Před 3 lety +5

    One thing I miss in this video is the role of anti-radiation systems (which lock on to radar radiation), like the old F-4E, which saw action in Iraq (and was pretty effective).
    Probably the most important factor why Syrian S-300's didn't engage Israeli AF
    FWIW I was a FIM-92 Stinger Operator, attached to a H.A.W.K. squadron, which was attached to a Patriot system (we had a 3 tier AA setup) in the 90's. This was in the Dutch Airforce.
    We just phased out the ancient 40L70 Bofors "Fly-Catcher".
    I stopped following development of the latest generation of Aircraft and what kind of equipment they carry. I remember CH 47's having a detection system. And the AH-64 used a system called PANDORA. No idea what type the Soviets have/had (they must have, because of what happened in Afghanistan, with the 1st gen Stingers)
    What I was taught was that not many planes have a system like that, to save weight and prevent aerodynamic issues.
    Anyway.

  • @BetterOnichThanSorry
    @BetterOnichThanSorry Před 3 lety +3

    The S-300 was used last year in the Nagorno-Karabakh war, actually. It successfully took out some drones, but in turn was taken out by loitering munitions.

  • @shpingalet7895
    @shpingalet7895 Před 3 lety +22

    6:48 the article is not about "S-300 in Syria". It is actually about Pantsyr in Syria.

  • @geo42121
    @geo42121 Před 3 lety +4

    People just think that a SAM says max distance 400km and they think that they can kill anything at 400km. They forget the losses of energy on the way to target. SAMs are big and heavy to hit a figter jet. But they can make pilots change their path or even cancel their mission. Shorter range SAMs get the kills

  • @ritchieitchy
    @ritchieitchy Před 3 lety +3

    Honestly your videos always surprise me. They are really well researched and very high quality. But what I am really surprised about is the community! Very positive and upbeat, basically everyone is so nice!

  • @amazing_tea98
    @amazing_tea98 Před 3 lety +10

    0:15 thousands of rounds whitout hitting the target
    Me in war thunder: killed by AAA

  • @masadda7
    @masadda7 Před 3 lety +33

    1:50 it turned out that the Patriot battery guarding the oil facilities was on maintenance that's why none of the missiles or drones were intercepted, but as a Saudi I can tell you that the Patriot proved it self as a very capable system out of 300 ballistic missiles and 300 suicide drones only a handful weren't intercepted and shot down apart from the oil facility attack.
    Ballistic missiles and drones always attack my city and I can't remember the last one that wasn't intercepted.

    • @kekkeyan8614
      @kekkeyan8614 Před 3 lety +1

      What city?

    • @masadda7
      @masadda7 Před 3 lety +3

      @@kekkeyan8614 Khamis Mushayt and Abha

    • @eduwino151
      @eduwino151 Před 3 lety

      Yup yemen cough iranians have been lobbing dozens of missiles at the UAE and actually few have gotten through

    • @masadda7
      @masadda7 Před 3 lety

      @@Kozak806 no it's alright, they always get shot, it's actually quite a sight.

    • @masadda7
      @masadda7 Před 3 lety

      @Jeffro 2000 hope you had a good time in Saudi Arabia sir.
      When were you deployed?

  • @geothon
    @geothon Před 3 lety +92

    Looks like Armenia just got one of their S300 knocked out by a drone.

    • @cinegraphics
      @cinegraphics Před 3 lety +10

      I've found the opposite news. Armenians have shot down the Azerbaijan drone produced in Israel:
      eurasiantimes.com/watch-now-armenia-shoots-down-israeli-drone-operated-by-azerbaijan-defence-forces/

    • @UninstallUpdate
      @UninstallUpdate Před 3 lety +15

      @@cinegraphics yes that was a separate engagement. The S-300 got it first kills but were suicide drones and had one destroyed a few days later by Azerbaijan drone.

    • @NitinJadhav-cc2xh
      @NitinJadhav-cc2xh Před 3 lety +1

      How are chinese drones and missiles?

    • @Xx_Tim_zZ
      @Xx_Tim_zZ Před 3 lety +8

      @@NitinJadhav-cc2xh knock offs but will still probably do their purpose Russia started making more stuff that they sell to china unable to be reverse engineered cuz china was copying designs from even Russia Thier ally

    • @cinegraphics
      @cinegraphics Před 3 lety +10

      @@UninstallUpdate it actually makes no sense to launch an S-300 rocket at such a drone, because the drone is probably much cheaper than the defense rocket...

  • @danthemansmail
    @danthemansmail Před 3 lety +5

    I don't think it will be much longer before we find out.

  • @grapy83
    @grapy83 Před 3 lety +1

    Covert, your vid quality is so awesome that I don't even wait for youtube to notify me or recommend your vids. I search your channel myself from time to time. Please stay on this track. Never move away from straight on facts and figures. Thanks and love.

  • @nathanboyea9964
    @nathanboyea9964 Před 3 lety +2

    Very good video, and accurate breakdown. There’s so many variables and situations for every weapon, it’s difficult/impossible to truly judge and declare a winner.

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 Před 3 lety +3

    What an amazing video. You can really tell that there is a passion coupled with dedication and inherent knowledge behind every video posted here.

  • @mohammedfahd8908
    @mohammedfahd8908 Před 3 lety +11

    You never know what happens when a war breaks out. One can only dream their systems works as well as they are designed. This goes to both US and Russia.

  • @TheWeatherbuff
    @TheWeatherbuff Před 3 lety

    Thank you again for personally narrating this channel, rather than using a computer voice. It's one more thing that makes it special.

  • @maidpretty
    @maidpretty Před 3 lety +24

    In a real conflict it's rare everything will go as planned. That "stealth" F-117 was shot down by an old S-125 system that was designed in 1950s.

    • @Bajker4ever
      @Bajker4ever Před 3 lety +12

      Sorry, we didn't know it was invisible xD greetings from Serbia :)

    • @KevinWilliams19723
      @KevinWilliams19723 Před 3 lety +6

      Because they visually observed that plane's flight path over time and knew it would fly overhead, what speed it would be at etc,...They didn't lock on to it, they just knew roughly where to shoot.

    • @washablejunk281
      @washablejunk281 Před 3 lety +8

      The F-117 was designed in the 80s. Only 1 shot down out of 1300+ missions is really good.

    • @imrekalman9044
      @imrekalman9044 Před 3 lety +7

      @@KevinWilliams19723 If I may correct you on this.
      Stealth technology is designed to be most effective against the most common, cm wavelength (X-K band) radars. The early warning radars used by (among others) the S-125 used metre wavelength radar (UHF). With those a stealth plane is "visible", but it cannot provide accurate information, what the target is or if it is one target or several in close formation, only that "something is there". That is enough to engage the target once it gets within missile range, with a low chance-to-hit of course. Cm wavelength targeting radars can still see the stealth target, but only from a relatively short distance, say 20 kilometres instead of 80.
      At the time of the incident I served in an air defence regiment next door (11th Duna Combined Home Air Defence Regiment, Hungary) that operated both S-125 and S-75 systems. Next couple of days we discussed it at length. It's been a while though.

    • @effexon
      @effexon Před 3 lety

      @@imrekalman9044 good viewpoint, as mentioned in end of video, that there are many factors to consider in defense system. it is more complicated than just press button and system is running.

  • @speedoflight3539
    @speedoflight3539 Před 3 lety +34

    How Effective Are Modern Air Defences? Very Effective Every side has proven they are able to down civilian airliner.

  • @nesseihtgnay9419
    @nesseihtgnay9419 Před 3 lety +44

    They work. But it's not always going to hit. Like what people keep saying "the S-400 system is the best ever" 😆 it only depends

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 Před 3 lety +3

      yeah, it entirely depends on whose interests you mean when saying "it's the best at protecting interests"

    • @nesseihtgnay9419
      @nesseihtgnay9419 Před 3 lety

      @@512TheWolf512 here's an idiot. 😆

    • @512TheWolf512
      @512TheWolf512 Před 3 lety +7

      @@nesseihtgnay9419 please, you didn't need to introduce yourself

    • @quisqueyanguy120
      @quisqueyanguy120 Před 3 lety

      @Русские геи Didn't the russian aerospace defense forces tested the S-400 in Syria?

    • @overlord4404
      @overlord4404 Před 3 lety +2

      @Русские геи that argument is pretty stupid, combat excercises in most cases simulate combat conditions as closly as possible, if it works there, then there is no reason to doubt its effectiveness in real combst

  • @tarjei99
    @tarjei99 Před 3 lety +3

    Remember that the S300 and S400 have scale out engagement radars. Each additional radar system might add 20 additional targets to engage.

    • @JohnJohn-km6fs
      @JohnJohn-km6fs Před 3 lety

      What if the opponent launches 50 cruise missiles at once at the mighty S-900 which costs say 2 billion dollars ? Hitler did not saved the war with jet airplane, or V2. Better to spend that money on schools and universities :D

  • @lowkeygato2133
    @lowkeygato2133 Před 3 lety

    Being checking this channel daily for updates

  • @Mint-Lynx
    @Mint-Lynx Před 3 lety +35

    4:18 You can tell that footage is recent.

    • @psuedozardozz
      @psuedozardozz Před 3 lety +7

      I noted that too, everyone was masked up.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 3 lety +1

      @John Doe Amen.

    • @TheBooban
      @TheBooban Před 3 lety

      Prizrak2084 this is kinda like the video, masks work in tests or controlled environment with skilled workers like in surgery. But real life?

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 3 lety +2

      Prizrak2084 those mask-wearing countries are now having a big second wave of cases. What will you do to push your pseudoscience then?
      Personally I’ll trust my medical training I got from the CDC during the 2009 pandemic when medicine wasn’t so politicized and I was on the front lines as an EMT. We were immunized, trained in the proper use of properly-fitted N95 masks, and the CDC told us that nothing would keep us safe from H1N1 or any other respiratory illness except to stay at least six feet away from anyone showing symptoms. We didn’t even go into the room with patients unless absolutely necessary, and if we did we were considered exposed, regardless of other precautions. But I guess you don’t trust Obama’s CDC.

    • @fakecubed
      @fakecubed Před 3 lety +1

      Prizrak2084 LOL, you actually resort to pretending I didn’t contradict you. Such defense mechanisms.

  • @Zayackanibal
    @Zayackanibal Před 3 lety +24

    The news article in russian language u showed says about failure of pantsir-s in syria not about S-300.

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    @PhilipDK5800 Před 3 lety

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    @LNgKhoi Před 3 lety

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  • @Alorand
    @Alorand Před 3 lety +8

    Make it into a sport. I would love to watch air defense systems take on drone swarms and missile salvos. Air Force vs Navy teams...

    • @roadhouse6999
      @roadhouse6999 Před 3 lety +2

      Air defenses are expensive as fuck though

  • @fakecubed
    @fakecubed Před 3 lety +8

    An interesting, and as usual, timely subject. Always seemed to me that an aggressor has an inherent advantage, able to plan missions around the apparent defenses, and the human element cannot be denied.

  • @krokodil191
    @krokodil191 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video as usual....one of few unbiased military channel on youtube. It is funny how many people think that s-300/400 are the only type of air defenses system and that they need to protect them self. They are designed to take down distant ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers, in short, very valuable enemy attacking force, but for the closer range and protecting s300/400 there are so many more...buk, tor, pantsir etc...

  • @emmy.eyoung8076
    @emmy.eyoung8076 Před 3 lety

    " They're not perfect but undoubtedly getting better every year " You're right bro, that's the true facts about all these Air Defense System

  • @murasame2615
    @murasame2615 Před 3 lety +3

    Seeing in Wargame my Patriot missed 3 shots on B-5, this video is definitely telling the truth.

  • @uss_04
    @uss_04 Před 3 lety +10

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  • @nipulkradmsinatagras8293

    Analysis is on point and very elaborately direct.

  • @gmc7298
    @gmc7298 Před 3 lety

    the narrative / thought process / why and what etc = excellent ... good job on this channel!

  • @iwantyourcookiesnow
    @iwantyourcookiesnow Před 3 lety +16

    Wow thanks, now I feel safer when I fly my F-35 over hostile areas.

  • @HeliRy
    @HeliRy Před 3 lety +15

    The Patriot system has a pretty decent track record. Just don’t let Saudis operate them. Last time I flew into Riyadh, they were all pointed north lol.
    Spoiler Alert: Yemen is south 🤦‍♂️

    • @mohammedhersi5774
      @mohammedhersi5774 Před 3 lety +3

      Saudis are not allowed to operate any patriots in their country, they are all operated by the US

    • @HeliRy
      @HeliRy Před 3 lety +2

      That makes it even funnier then that they were pointed the wrong way haha.

    • @user-xb9yv2ci4c
      @user-xb9yv2ci4c Před 3 lety

      But Iran is north.

    • @HeliRy
      @HeliRy Před 3 lety

      True, they’re not exactly friendly with one another. The missiles that the Yemenis lob at Riyadh are Iranian after all.

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  • @ArisenfromDogma
    @ArisenfromDogma Před 3 lety +5

    5:50 it should be noted that fighters in the high-end role are much the same way. It is one thing to engage in ground attack (precision or otherwise), but such operations hardly validate them as 'tested in combat' when their design origins call for them facing peer level threats.
    For example no 5G fighter (F-22, F-35, J-20, etc) has been tested in combat against another air threat, at least on peer level.
    This said air defences do have their own cons aside, which you pointed out in your video.

    • @rusher2937
      @rusher2937 Před 3 lety

      Well, I think Red Flag does a great job at simulating real combat as best as possible. As for 5th gen fighters, new aggressor squadrons are being equipped with early block F-35s, this will make it possible to simulate 5th gen vs 5th gen combat in the near future.

    • @ArisenfromDogma
      @ArisenfromDogma Před 3 lety

      @@rusher2937 all true and it is definitely easier to test aircraft as opposed to air defence, but even things such as Red Flag aren't a full substitute.
      It may not be the aircraft but rather the sensors and weapons on board, just as in an air defence battery. The battery and fighter alike may prove flawless in training - but the reliability of the actual weapon or sensor against a real target (with tailored techniques, technologies and tactics) may prove inadequate when compared to a simulated system or hardware tests against target drones.
      Perhaps in a decade or so we may see targeting drones replicate actual maneuvres and techniques employed by human piloted fighters. Having an F-16V conduct complex procedures could help improve the hardware of both air defence batteries and air warfsre fighters alike.

    • @rusher2937
      @rusher2937 Před 3 lety

      ​@@ArisenfromDogma Afaik in red flag sensors are used to their full extent, probably even jamming. Weapons can't for safety reasons, but are also constantly tested in other training areas.
      Of course nothing is 100% reliable, but in the past years electronics have become increasingly cheap to manufacture and reliable in both the civilian and military domain. Based on what I heard from real pilots, the F135 engine (which is fully automated) is incredibly reliable by today's standards.
      I agree that no training is a complete substitute for real combat, enemy tactics might be unpredictable, and testing of niche tech is often not done to the extend that real combat will, for economic reasons.
      However, I don't see how modern targeting drones like QF-4s or QF-16s wouldn't already be able to perform complex maneuvers. I guess the main reason that small prop-driven drones are often seen in videos is that in those situations the main scope is training the operators in their procedures at low cost, not hard-test the limits of the system. Maneuvering QF-4s have already been used when testing stuff like the AIM-9X, it only makes sense that they and similar platforms are also used to test a variety of other air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles and attached systems.

    • @ArisenfromDogma
      @ArisenfromDogma Před 3 lety

      @@rusher2937 again all good points (and it is QF-16 as you said, not F-16V).
      "and testing of niche tech is often not done to the extend that real combat will, for economic reasons."
      Knocked it on the head there. Whilst it is different depending on the system being tested, ensuring great reliability of a system requires continuous and robust testing. For economic reasons (among others), this is not always feasible and a factor in the design of both air defences and fighter/fighter mounts.
      There are potentially also commercial reasons - companies lobby hard to ensure their interests (such as perceived product reliability) are ensured. The M16 and M2 Bradley, prior to Pentagon acquisition reforms, are good examples. This is not to say the risk has disappeared however and it is not something limited to just the West.
      With regards to complex targeting drones, complex manoeuvres are only one part of the problem. Nothing occurs in a vacuum - targeting drones should be able to manoeuvre with regards to everything else in the battlespace.
      If the West is training for multi-domain operations, then targeting drones (including other systems replicating their own unmanned systems) need to be able to work with integrated air defence networks in a coordinated manner, or in a manner exploiting the complexity of the ground for low-level operations (for strike, interdiction or anything else).
      Training systems such as drones will become more advanced, particularly as AI and other software becomes more advanced and robust. This may even alleviate the limitations placed on testing large quantities of air defence and fighter systems. But at the end of the day no one can predict how war (tactical and close through strategic) will play out once it all goes hot. This isn't unique to aircraft or air defence - but the cost of preparing for real business remains a barrier to good business.

    • @abram730
      @abram730 Před 3 lety

      Pilots with real air combat experience are all in diapers now.

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 Před 3 lety +13

    When I was stationed at Ft. Bliss in Texas, it was the home of ADA and those folks thought they were the baddest-ass troops in the military. Pretty comical really.

    • @smokeypuppy417
      @smokeypuppy417 Před 3 lety

      I meet a ada ssg at bliss, and he said they never went to the field, worked half days but the patriot batteries deploy quite often though.

    • @alancross5838
      @alancross5838 Před 3 lety

      @@smokeypuppy417 Nice

    • @christianmendez26
      @christianmendez26 Před 3 lety

      Heading there in feb 🤦

    • @smokeypuppy417
      @smokeypuppy417 Před 3 lety

      @@christianmendez26 fort bliss is where all dreams go to die especially if you are on east bliss.

    • @michaelhowell2326
      @michaelhowell2326 Před 3 lety

      @CAG Hotshot 19k, 5th Brigade 1st CAB, Future Combat Systems. Barracks number 2905.

  • @smokeypuppy417
    @smokeypuppy417 Před 3 lety +2

    Seeing how over a thousand American fighter planes and bombers were shot down over Vietnam by Russian designed surface to air missiles and triple a guns, I imagine surface to air missiles are still effective against 4th generation aircraft and can threaten stealth fighters as well if they get close enough.

    • @smokeypuppy417
      @smokeypuppy417 Před 3 lety

      @Русские геи yep aircraft will beat even the most sophisticated Sam's.

  • @teddy.d174
    @teddy.d174 Před 3 lety

    Another excellent video from one of the best channels, Covert Cabal...nothing but facts...👍🏻👍🏻

  • @user-mn2lh7iy4q
    @user-mn2lh7iy4q Před 3 lety +4

    6:42 Little mistake here. This article is about PANCIR-C, not about s-300.

    • @imperskiikulak446
      @imperskiikulak446 Před 3 lety +2

      Да он пропагандист,говорит С-300 не было использовано против Израиля,а что у Сирии С-300 по всей стране установлены?С-300 в Сирии прикрывают только Дамаск по моему и все.Я имею ввиду Сирийские с-300,а не те которые на Российской базе.

    • @simonsimonovic4478
      @simonsimonovic4478 Před 3 lety +2

      @@imperskiikulak446
      В Израиле есть:
      224 F-16
      58 F-15 EAGLE
      25 F-25 STRIKE EAGLE
      24 F-35
      Одна или две батареи C 300 не могут помочь против такой силы

    • @user-yj1on3bf1v
      @user-yj1on3bf1v Před 3 lety

      @@simonsimonovic4478 это здесь не при чем. просто там гористая местность. израиль пользуется этим.

    • @user-cj2nl5pn8x
      @user-cj2nl5pn8x Před 3 lety

      @@simonsimonovic4478 есть и Красухи ))

  • @TheFuturistTom
    @TheFuturistTom Před 3 lety +11

    I’ve been watching Covert Cabal for a while now! I loved their content!! As such, I made my own sci-fi/futurist channel!!

    • @dominien6487
      @dominien6487 Před 3 lety +9

      A proven tactic, leaching off of a larger creator in order to get publicity for yourself

    • @calebpatterson5141
      @calebpatterson5141 Před 3 lety

      Wow use a good channel with massive views to try and boost your own which isnt good at all

    • @dcsscd7802
      @dcsscd7802 Před 3 lety

      Boooooo

  • @patrickjames8050
    @patrickjames8050 Před 3 lety

    Thank You for finally some common sense reality on the relationships between testing a system to show it works to how a system performs in actual combat. Well Done!

  • @JavierCR25
    @JavierCR25 Před 3 lety

    A very precise analysis as usual.

  • @NickKrige
    @NickKrige Před 3 lety +14

    i'm not sure how I feel about a weapon system not being used because "it would hurt sales".

    • @bormisha
      @bormisha Před 3 lety

      It all makes sense because the main goal is to make money. Air defense is just a side by-product of making money. The same is true for all other products on the market.

  • @lardthing7417
    @lardthing7417 Před 3 lety +3

    My view on this is that when countries eventually look into unmanned aerial defences, it would likely be more successful in defending an area compared to a manned one. But the challenge would be, at peacetime, how could they tell a difference between a Bomber to a Civilian airline? Unless that problem is solved, Air defences will likely have the same effectiveness as their predecessors.

    • @Aaron-wq3jz
      @Aaron-wq3jz Před 3 lety

      I imagine they would have a officer or group of officers give an order to turn air defence online. Kind of like a chain of command authorizing a nuclear strike but as the threat gets higher in a specific area the decision to go online would get more and more local eventually to battalion commanders or even single lieutenants

    • @lardthing7417
      @lardthing7417 Před 3 lety

      @@Aaron-wq3jz I was thinking more of Areas in peactime but tensions are at a boiling point, like Saudi Arabia or Iran. It would be hard for an AI to differentiate between a civilian plane to a military one. But yeah, a chain of command could work in certain areas, like in Europe where tensions are relatively low.

  • @andie_pants
    @andie_pants Před 3 lety

    Excellent work, as always.

  • @SinsGamingChannel
    @SinsGamingChannel Před 3 lety +2

    I think AA defence was always more about creating an Area of denial/a deterrent than actually shooting down planes. AA solutions are inherently ineffective at direct combat, but that's part of how and why they work. If you have no AA defence, the enemy can just fly straight over your cities/ships/bases and attack whatever he wants without fear of getting destroyed. If you put AA around critical spots, then the enemy will have to adjust, stay out of optimal range and take risks. So while they rarely see action and even more rarely get kills, it's not because they don't "work", but because they do what they're supposed to :) Imagine a blockhouse with an HMG inside, is it ineffective, because it never kills anyone? Or is it effective, because the enemy has to go around it, as to not get shot into pieces by that HMG?

  • @infinitelyexplosive4131
    @infinitelyexplosive4131 Před 3 lety +13

    I'm surprised you didn't talk about Iron Dome.

    • @grubbybum3614
      @grubbybum3614 Před 3 lety

      Same.

    • @negan_lq9499
      @negan_lq9499 Před 3 lety +1

      That thing faild to defend against local missiles costing only $200 he clearly dosen't have to talk about trash

    • @infinitelyexplosive4131
      @infinitelyexplosive4131 Před 3 lety

      @@negan_lq9499 ​ Next time maybe watch the video before commenting? It'll help you look like less of an idiot.

    • @khaleddekar2188
      @khaleddekar2188 Před 3 lety +1

      @@infinitelyexplosive4131 it's indeed trash, iron Dom never tested in real battlefield, when I talked about real war, I mean never engaged with super Sonic ballistic missiles

    • @yanisbenchara3006
      @yanisbenchara3006 Před 3 lety

      @@khaleddekar2188 iron dom is for small to medium air defense not for ballistic missiles

  • @patrickb4620
    @patrickb4620 Před 3 lety +5

    What is that game he’s playing looks interesting, the one with the missile simulations

    • @patrickb4620
      @patrickb4620 Před 3 lety

      @@janavavrova6448 thanks appreciate it

    • @theTutenstien
      @theTutenstien Před 3 lety

      @@patrickb4620 if you mean the gameplay from 3:15 thats DCS World

  • @tnt-hv6qw
    @tnt-hv6qw Před 3 lety

    that’s right. well thought out hard cold facts jack.

  • @puyatecla9903
    @puyatecla9903 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video, very balanced, not inclined to one side or the other, congratulations!

  • @ethan20559
    @ethan20559 Před 3 lety +6

    S-300: "You know I COULD shoot you down, I could"
    F-15: " No its fine no no ur fine I'm gonna just, you know, leave."
    *leaves*
    S-300: "Holy shit thank god."

    • @gourmetbanana
      @gourmetbanana Před 3 lety

      Too funny.

    • @jimc1654
      @jimc1654 Před 3 lety +1

      it is more like..
      S-300: "You know I COULD shoot you down, I could"
      f-16: bomb release and hit target.
      F-16: " No its fine no no ur fine I'm gonna just, you know, leave."
      F-16: leaves
      S-300: "Holy shit thank god."

  • @ItsTheFry
    @ItsTheFry Před 3 lety +3

    Covert Cabal-- How Effective Are Modern Air Defenses?
    Iron Dome-- Hold my beer.

    • @ItsTheFry
      @ItsTheFry Před 3 lety

      @istiak monsur its not meant to. only counter rockets, artillery, and motors. (C-RAM). Iron Dome is 90 percent successful which makes it effective and is a modern air defense system.

    • @ItsTheFry
      @ItsTheFry Před 3 lety

      @@men8212 ... the title of the video refers to "Effective" "Modern Air Defenses" which includes SAM systems and any other weapon meant to Defend against a hostile air attack/action(guided or unguided). Iron Dome is a SAM system with a C-RAM type use case proven to be effective and yes expensive. This video raised the issue of real combat use to which Iron Dome has seen successful in real combat use since 2012.

    • @ItsTheFry
      @ItsTheFry Před 3 lety

      ​@@men8212 Near Defense or Long Range Defense. Still "Modern Air Defense" and therefore comparable.

    • @ItsTheFry
      @ItsTheFry Před 3 lety

      ​@@men8212 you missed my point. the joking is comparing for comparison sake. it is kind of humor that you are not understanding it seems. does that make sense to you?

  • @qpSubZeroqp
    @qpSubZeroqp Před 3 lety

    Thank you for great information and the reduced to no bias

  • @thomasc.3832
    @thomasc.3832 Před 3 lety

    Another great video as usual!

  • @sumerbc7409
    @sumerbc7409 Před 3 lety +18

    @7:28 But what You leave out is that the F-117s in Bosnia always did a bomb bay door open-close test on the way to the target..... thereby lighting up on enemy radar screens.... so the enemy strategically placed a missile battery under the air space where this happens and got a lucky lock on and strike. One.... The rest of the time for the Whole war the F-117s were invincible... Only 1 F-177 was ever lost in combat.. and that includes Gulf War 1 plus Bosnia and everywhere else....

    • @psuedozardozz
      @psuedozardozz Před 3 lety +10

      I think most weapons geeks know that the f117 shoot down was a clever one off. The point was that no tech is *invincible*.

    • @sumerbc7409
      @sumerbc7409 Před 3 lety +6

      @@psuedozardozz So 1 kill is something to brag about? That means that U.S. tech can invincibly invade and destroy.

    • @psuedozardozz
      @psuedozardozz Před 3 lety +7

      @@sumerbc7409 No one has claimed otherwise. It simply shows that the opponent is constantly thinking and can't be expected to simply give up.
      That was also the first time stealth coatings were captured intact by an opponent. New coatings have been developed for more modern aircraft, but that was very close to the end of the 117's life cycle.

    • @alancross5838
      @alancross5838 Před 3 lety

      @@psuedozardozz True

    • @sumerbc7409
      @sumerbc7409 Před 3 lety +1

      @@psuedozardozz The Bosnian War took place in Bosnia and Herzegovina between 1992 and 1995. STEALTH F-117s led the way all through out the 1st gulf war.... you are sadly and woefully mistaken. The F-117 was widely publicized for its role in the Persian Gulf War of 1991. Although it was commonly referred to as the "Stealth Fighter", it was strictly a ground-attack aircraft. F-117s took part in the conflict in Yugoslavia, where one was shot down by a surface-to-air missile (SAM) in 1999; it was the only Nighthawk to be lost in combat. The U.S. Air Force retired the F-117 in April 2008, primarily due to the fielding of the F-22 Raptor. Despite the type's retirement, a portion of the fleet has been kept in airworthy condition, and Nighthawks have been observed flying in 2020.[5]

  • @Fwostylicious
    @Fwostylicious Před 3 lety +4

    This is how you defeat russian air defences - Launch a swarm of seagulls

  • @danieljay4114
    @danieljay4114 Před 3 lety +1

    Love your content and really intrigued to who Eric is 🤷‍♀️

  • @saqibhuq2142
    @saqibhuq2142 Před 3 lety

    Modern air defense systems are layered and divided into three categories 1.Point defense or Very Short and Short range (CIWS, Stingers, RIMs), 2. Medium range (Tor, Buk) , 3. High range (Patriot, S-400) which connected to central commanded and controlled and ultimately ballistic missile defense which only few countries posses.

  • @1creeperbomb
    @1creeperbomb Před 3 lety +7

    Perfect timing cuz everyone in south asia is investing heavily into this.

    • @1moneyking
      @1moneyking Před 3 lety +3

      Who wouldn't?

    • @1creeperbomb
      @1creeperbomb Před 3 lety +1

      @@1moneyking lol true.

    • @jaranis9273
      @jaranis9273 Před 3 lety +2

      Wolf Puppy The philippines bro! HAHAHA we have the worst govt lol. The philippine president trusts china more than it's citizens

    • @1moneyking
      @1moneyking Před 3 lety +2

      @@1creeperbomb I am waiting for My country Somalia to get those.
      :>

    • @1moneyking
      @1moneyking Před 3 lety +2

      @@jaranis9273 maybe because they hate the USA.
      I mean don't forget "American Imperialism"

  • @TheBooban
    @TheBooban Před 3 lety +4

    9:02 not just the Sheffield. USS Stark. That Israeli ship got hit by Hezbollah. Saudi LCS got hit off of Yemen. What about Patriots shooting down allied planes in the gulf war? Things just work badly when not on full alert and run by veterans. Destroyer colliding with tankers comes to mind. But then when really focused, Serbians can hit a stealth plane.

  • @profviceroy4261
    @profviceroy4261 Před 3 lety

    Excellent Analysis

  • @pssaggu
    @pssaggu Před 3 lety

    Love the channel and depth of research, would love a video on India/China military options in the current stand-off

  • @channelasianewterminatexii7594

    Russia: "hey syria don't use S-300 to early"
    Syria: "okey but S-200 Go Brrrrrr shoot down israeli missile attack.

    • @masonhidari
      @masonhidari Před 3 lety +2

      Is that why Israel bombs targets in syria when ever they want to?

    • @yoadhordan2809
      @yoadhordan2809 Před 3 lety

      @@masonhidari I mean syria does try to counter the Israeli missiles. It sometimes works, usually it doesn't of course

  • @realorbital
    @realorbital Před 3 lety +5

    "The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
    In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
    The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.
    "

  • @amerahmed694
    @amerahmed694 Před 3 lety +2

    Well you have the russian missile wall that egypt had in 1973 it was very effective.

  • @liamlemon5749
    @liamlemon5749 Před 3 lety

    Great vid as always

  • @SkyWKing
    @SkyWKing Před 3 lety +12

    It doesn't help movies and video games make SAM defense appear like a wall of doom that instantly melts any flying objects that gets into maximum range.
    The easiest argument against SAM is that most of the energy (propellant) in a SAM is wasted on fighting gravity and aerodynamic drag while climbing through lower atmosphere. The tyranny of the rocket equation is very punishing. A fighter plane carrying AAMs will always be more effective because the plane does most of the heavy-lifting using a more efficient air-breathing engine.
    The real deterrence is potential loss of well trained pilots since planes are replaceable, pilots are not. Today's aircraft are so complicated that personnel training will be the bottleneck in a real war not industrial capacity.
    This is why drones are such a game changer in future air combat. It just turns it into a game of who has more money to throw at the enemy. To counter drones, strategic air defense systems would evolve into slow, efficient drones/balloons carrying an arsenal of AAMs that could stay in the air for weeks. At that point SAMs will mostly retreat into short range point-defense systems.

  • @tkawenga6588
    @tkawenga6588 Před 3 lety +4

    8:20-8:40 What game was that.

  • @governorhampton911
    @governorhampton911 Před 3 lety

    Oh yes, I have a kove speaker. It’s like a 2 year old one, and it works like it’s brand new. I would highly recommend it

  • @julians7268
    @julians7268 Před 3 lety

    I saw a great video on the f-117a that was shot down. That was mainly down to lazy flight path selection paired with a great shot. The flight paths of the bombers had been compromised, so the groundbtroops had a general idea of where they would be, and they still had trouble locking the aircraft up. This was stated by the crew that fired it, so I don't think they are spreading that to make the f-117a look better.

  • @WoodApe100
    @WoodApe100 Před 3 lety +4

    No modern airforce can afford to lose pilots - whose training takes years and millions of dollars and multimillion dollar jets - over any sustained air campaign.
    Once missile and air attacks begin...you are using very expensive and difficult to replace assets. If your airforce "breaks" itself by losing those assets attacking a country with advanced anti-air systems it will take years to replenish what you lost.
    There are parameters set on any attack by commanders as to what are acceptable losses....they would not want to lose 5 jets in a day. Any ground campaign relies on air superiority to launch strikes on exposed enemy assets...without that you are looking at a much longer campaign. I believe modern air defence is quite effective and that's the reason NATO got out of the "no fly zone" business after Libya

  • @ismailabdukadir1130
    @ismailabdukadir1130 Před 3 lety +3

    There is no system that can’t be overwhelmed, that is why countries establish their defense system on layers of different air defense systems!

  • @StarCrusier900
    @StarCrusier900 Před 3 lety

    YES! ITS A NEW VIDEO!

  • @LanternOfLiberty
    @LanternOfLiberty Před 3 lety +1

    A former coworker of mine worked as enlisted personnel with the Patriot missile for eight years. He said it was insanely crappy.

  • @GreenspudTrades
    @GreenspudTrades Před 3 lety +6

    Wearing Covid masks.... that's some up to date stock footage!

  • @MrZockerfreak11
    @MrZockerfreak11 Před 3 lety +3

    Article at 6:53 is talking about Pantsir, not S-300

    • @calebpatterson5141
      @calebpatterson5141 Před 3 lety +4

      @Intel Guru deservingly so this is what happens when russia claims everything they produce is the best and yet almost everything they produce struggles tremendously. MiG 29 has the worst record of any modern fighter jet and 2nd is the SU27 lmao

    • @dcsscd7802
      @dcsscd7802 Před 3 lety +3

      @@calebpatterson5141 I love the excuse that all their losses are with other nations yet American, UK and French made products are as well and perform well haha

    • @MrZockerfreak11
      @MrZockerfreak11 Před 3 lety

      @@calebpatterson5141 Su-27 is 8 kills 0 deaths. And a third of MiG-29 deaths were to Su-27 in africa.

    • @MrZockerfreak11
      @MrZockerfreak11 Před 3 lety +1

      @Intel Guru It has also shot down missiles from every israeli attack, but you can always add more missiles to the attack to overwhelm the air defenses.
      The political situation in Syria makes it that the russians can only deliver enough systems to make israeli attacks more costly, not prevent them. It has nothing to do with the systems. Think about it, what would be the next step if the russians give the Syrians and Hezbollah a nearly fully effective air shield? Any guess?

    • @crazyzombie9720
      @crazyzombie9720 Před 3 lety

      Yeah, unfortunately for Pantsir, it’s been destroyed multiple times by those two countries.
      Israel has attacked Syria hundreds of times for years. They often release satellite images of the targets before and after the raids, proving that some of their missiles were able to avoid Syrian air defenses and destroy their targets. There’s many images out there on the internet. Shouldn’t be too hard to find.

  • @Zombiefruit
    @Zombiefruit Před 3 lety +2

    How could you ignore the Iron Dome?? Probably the best example of in-use and effective air defense.

  • @Taffeyboy
    @Taffeyboy Před 3 lety

    Very well done!

  • @ckr3167
    @ckr3167 Před 3 lety +3

    So basically the only good air defense system is Iron Dome.

    • @ok88warrior
      @ok88warrior Před 3 lety

      Is that Israel’s system?

    • @ckr3167
      @ckr3167 Před 3 lety +1

      ricky bear yes

    • @Aaron-wq3jz
      @Aaron-wq3jz Před 3 lety

      Aegis

    • @ckr3167
      @ckr3167 Před 3 lety

      Aaron I guess it’s effective against mortar shells

    • @Aaron-wq3jz
      @Aaron-wq3jz Před 3 lety

      @@ckr3167 both are really effective at what they were designed for

  • @ghostyyy4994
    @ghostyyy4994 Před 3 lety +5

    What game is he playing at 8:29

    • @arnonymous7211
      @arnonymous7211 Před 3 lety +1

      up. anyone?

    • @t.b9582
      @t.b9582 Před 3 lety

      Just got a reply from Cabal by e-mail, it's from Command: Modern Operations (CMO)

  • @ryanstrauss6575
    @ryanstrauss6575 Před 3 lety

    Great job. You got a new sub!

  • @QasimAli-to5lk
    @QasimAli-to5lk Před 3 lety +1

    7:50 best line of the video , sums up modern warfare perfectly

  • @gook5219
    @gook5219 Před 3 lety +5

    Why are you mixing up Anti-ballistic air defence and "general" air defence?
    Why you didn't sort them out and clarify that they are completley different

  • @paunsamdingzeliang7131
    @paunsamdingzeliang7131 Před 3 lety +4

    Well to be honest
    Israel Iron Dome can be considered one of the best Air Defance in the World.
    They are being tested almost every month and it works unlike others 😁😁😁😁

  • @richroylance4630
    @richroylance4630 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm just thinking of all the F-105s shot down over Vietnam.... seemed pretty effective there.

  • @RYCOPZ
    @RYCOPZ Před 3 lety

    Always excellent.

  • @sniperlocke4416
    @sniperlocke4416 Před 3 lety +11

    How effective are modern air defenses?
    Answer: idk.

  • @Noe-gj9mw
    @Noe-gj9mw Před 3 lety +5

    How do you go through a whole video about air systems saying "they are never used" and don't talk about the Israeli iron dome which has been used 1000s of times and has a very very high success rate

  • @oneshotme
    @oneshotme Před 3 lety

    Enjoyed your video I gave it a Thumbs Up

  • @jonathanjanah3466
    @jonathanjanah3466 Před 3 lety

    You are the most professional youtuber I ever saw.