How to charge your power station fast while on the move and without solar panels.
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2023
- Charging your power station fast by using a DC to DC converter.
Victron Energy Orion 12/24-Volt 20 amp DC-DC Converter Non-Isolated, High Power
ZkeeShop XT60i to O Ring Terminal Cable，More Than 8A，12AWG Extension Cable XT60i Female to O Ring Connector XT60i-f Compatible with Lipo Batterie (1.5M/5FT)
There is a insulation video that I posted a few weeks later this is the link for that
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This is not only brilliant, but smart and really take the frustrating edge off of having to hook up to solar when time does not permit. Thank you and I'm on it. You deserve so much credit for this Chris
Thank you!!
I made a video about this same converter for faster car charging. It works great. Glad to see others are also using it!
Yes, I do love it. It's a game changer because we struggled trying to recharge all the time. In Virginia there is a lot of woodlands and not a lot of direct sun light for a solar panel.
How brilliant! But I wish your video demonstrated Step by Step detail installation more
The installation was already done when I hooked up my air compressor. The main part of this video was just a review of the product. The installation is pretty much the same as it is wiring up any car amp you can look up any video installing car amps, and the same set up is the same.
Nice. It's definitely important to be aware of how much power each charging option delivers.
Really good set up like that, thank you 👍🏼
Glad you like it!
This is what happens when you do research on a product you buy on eBay or amazon. There is an inverter that you can buy for it that you put inside your vehicle that charges it faster, also if you want a solar panel look for a 400 watt one, knowing your current and voltages is a thing. :) Sounds like you learned from experience. Well done
Ecoflow has a new product for charging Delta 2 series power stations from a car alternator. The Ecoflow 800watt Alternator Charger. Charges at up to 800watts per hour. And the new product doesnt have issues with getting too hot. Pecron has a competing product that works with almost all power stations and charges at upto 500watts per hour. The victron unit here was one of the first plug n play units for faster charging, I think the victron charges at upto 400watts or there abouts per hour.
my anker powerhouse 757 i can only use the VICTRON ORION 12/24-10A NON ISOLATED . . . 240 watt max almost double the output ( i think 20 amp on a 10 amp is not an good idea )
The Eco-flow Delta 2 handles it with no problems
Thanks for the video, where do you connect the negative from the battery? And how did you wire up the switch cable with only one wire? I’m looking forward to installing this on my truck, thanks again
The positive cable goes directly to the battery with a in-line fuse. As of the ground, I grounded it to the chassis of the car itself. You do not have to run the ground all the way to the battery. On the video I described which side of the plug you need to hook up the switch wire to. All you do with that wire is run it to a switch and then on the other side of the switch you just hook it up to a 12 V source.
Thank you
@@chrislusk2189 Thank you so much for all the help in the video and comments. If you're in this for the view a video on the install would do numbies I reckon
nvm. I subscribed to your channel and found it here czcams.com/video/C9q2Bp0hmBk/video.html
whats this called and where do you purchase the solar line setup
I’m curious if you can do this with the other types of solar stations that uses different types of plugs for solar, like Bluetti and Anker? Some of them use XT 60 or circular pin connections. Voltage varies from one solar battery station to the other.
I'm not sure about other companies. I've only tested this on the Eco-flow Delta 2 you would need to check what the maximum input form solar would be. I know with my unit it can charge up to 500 W from solar. Once you find out what the maximum input is, the only thing you'll need to do is get a solar panel cable to hook it up.
My rig has a 12v 20A DC-DC charger. Can I just hook that cable upto my power station? Max output of the charger is 250w and max solar input is 800w.
Chris, what gauge wire did you run from your battery to the back of the truck?
Six gauge wire with a in-line fuse
@@chrislusk2189 Thank you sir.
How did you do your ground? I have a 2015 4runner, and have done no additional anything with wiring?
I grounded it to the body of the truck in the back near the unit.
Those cigarette lighters used to have a fusible link and you had to replace the socket, it seemed to be a U shaped piece of lead.
Not sure if that is still done today.
Can you parallel the dc converter with solar so that the delta 2 charges from both sources using the same XT60i conector (that stays connected al the time)?
I don’t want to brake any connections on the delta 2 having to switch back and forward between dc and solar.
I have one 415 watt panel rated maximum power voltage 38,7 V
I have received a lot of questions about that and to be honest I’m not sure I’ll have to do a little bit of research and see if there’s any kind of device where you can use both at the same time.
I think there is no special wiring done on the cigarette charging cable, the ecoflow only limits the charging to 100w if the voltage detected is below a set voltage maybe 14v and if the voltage is around 24v it will charge it faster.
Is this DC to DC converter compatible with a smart alternator and an AMG stop start battery
I am also going to do this in my vw T5 camper over here in the UK. I manage to find a used unit for £50 and
also using to to charge my delta 2. Do both grounds fit on same terminal?
Yes, you can put both grounds on the same terminal
Great work.
Any idea how to connect permanently a solar panel and the converter at the same time so there is no need to unplug all the time?
Unfortunately, I don’t know if there’s anyway to do that. I usually just unplug the Victron from the solar input and plug in my solar panels mainly.
You could use a cut over switch A = alternator B = solar charging.
I bought a 1000W Renogy inverter and connected it to my battery. I can turn it on with the included switch and charge my EcoFlow Delta2 Max when I want. I have charged up to 800W with no difficulties.
I wish there was a video for that!!!
Why do you need a video for that? Wires from battery to inverter then just plug in your power station like you would in a home.@@carolmaplesden916
What's charging the inverter while you're driving?
@@pooheadlou the vehicle alternator.
@@CraigG21 you can do that? Didn't know you could do that, so how would contact an inverter? If you don't mind me asking.
Chris, can I do this on Bluetti ? If yes can you explain it or make a video about it. Thanks
At the moment I don’t have any of their products. Do you know what the maximum input is for the solar panel?
This set up damaged my ecoflow max2000 xt60 input. I only had 340watts input at the time. Have you had any issues?
Is there an advantage to this over the Victron dc-dc charger coming from the alternator?
This is a converter/supply so it will provide a constant output, where the dc-dc is primarily a battery charger. You can use the dc-dc in supply mode, but the one shown here is less expensive.
A question can I connect my car, 12 V and a solar panels in a splitter cable and connect to the bleuetti, will this work . or do I need to connect and diode so that the car doesn’t get the high voltage of the solar panel?.
You can connect your power bank directly to your 12 V source the problem I had it was only pushing maybe 60 W to 70 W of power to charge the unit and it was taken too long to charge as of hooking it up to the solar panel and the 12 V source of your car I don’t know if that would work.
I was thinking about if I could do this with my power pack when charging it, from the car, can you hook up solar to the inverter to get a higher input of power
No, you cannot hook up a solar panel to the inverter. The inverter itself is plenty powerful enough to charge the EcoFlow but if you do have full sun, I would prefer to use the solar instead because then the truck doesn’t have to be running.
Would it be better to install it closer to the car battery so you can run standard solar wire to the Ecco flow?
If you have a place to mount it in front of the vehicle that you have yes by all means it can work but by putting it in the rear since I ran a thicker gauge wire no it won’t make a difference.
@@chrislusk2189 👍🏼
My truck has a factory 400 W 120 Volt inverter. I have the same Ecoflow D2 you have. I’m thinking I’ll put a 120v ac to DC converter and plug into the solar connector. My 400W 120V truck inverter will not charge the Ecoflow as 1500 W of 120AC required to allow AC charging per Ecoflow.
Yeah, the factory inverter is probably not strong enough to charge it to 1500w. Once you hook up the DC converter, let me know how it works.
Every conversion step has a loss. To go from 12VDC to 120VAC (90%), then to "solar" is 90% (90%). Then there's the D2 own conversion: solar to battery (90%). The total chain is 72% efficient.
The D2 would charge just fine from a 400W inverter (one conversion) BUT you need to make sure the D2 wont try to draw more than 400W. (I suspect the D2 has a setting for that. For this very situation.)
@@chrislusk2189 most built-in inverters are modified sine wave which the Ecoflow will not accept. My 4Runner has one and it will not charge due ot it being modified sine wave inverter. You need a pure sine wave inverter to charge the Ecoflow.
@@brettd5884 there is a setting to lower the input "AC Charge Speed" I have mine set to 1000w for home charging so it does not warm up my batteries too much while charging. You can lower it down to charging it on an AC Inverter. DC to DC is the better more efficient way to charge the EcoFlow.
@@ChilePicanteKornNvtzIf you have the time, and don't mind the additional dedicated DC-DC converter, charging at 500W might be fine. If you need even faster charging, charging from a DC-AC inverter that can also be used for other things might be the way to go.
If you have the power, efficiency doesn't matter so much, especially if you need the speed.
What is the brand and model of your vehicle? Any concern of the loading of the alternator to support the additonal loading?
You definitely want to look up that specific question. There's a formula to make sure your alternator isn't being overburdened and prematurely worn out. Mini alternators can easily handle a 24-volt up converter but 36 volts or 48 volts are really pushing it in many systems or completely bonkers in some cases
I believe Jasanoid has a good video on this with the specifics you're gong to need. If it's not him it's Johnny's Weekend
I'm planning on going for 36 volt and hardwiring a line through my firewall for Road tripping because I don't want to heavily modify my car or have to replace the alternator. I drive a VW GTI and it has an above average alternator, on par with a much more robust drivetrain vehicle like a full-size pickup truck that would usually need more cranking amps and stuff BUT many domestic passenger vehicles have a smaller alternator than mine. He's only using a 24 volt up converter here, so most cars can actually handle that as long as the car is running and driving. There can be more strain on the alternator if you're sitting at idle and the engine isn't actually running above idle and driving down the road, so look into that as well
I have a 2004 Nissan Armada and with the converter up to 30 V I'm not having any issues at all. @NoZenith explains it very well.
430watts at 30v equates to 14.33 amps. I'm sure there's considerable loss in that converter and a little on the Delta as well that you would need to add on. Even if it's 20a total that's not a killer for most full size vehicles but could be problematic on economy cars. I'd certainly have it fused well under your alternators max output.
@@bw3506 Todays converters / inverters are about 90% efficient (85-92% is a good range). That would be in the specifications. To produce 430W, a converter would require about 478W input (430W / 90% = 478W). The difference comes out as heat (50W in this example).
So is it run directly to your battery or is it spliced off a fuse?
I ran this directly off the battery. There is a installation video on my page that you can watch. It goes through how I installed the system.
Its not the cigarette lighter cable that tell the power station that you are hooked up to the car lighter. It is the fact that you are sending around 12 volts +_ 2 volts. if you were to use the same cable (cigarette lighter) but send 20 volts through it, The power station will charge as if you were connected to a solar cell. The only limitation with the cigarette lighter cable is the size of the wire used and any fuse included in the cable will limit the amount of current that can charge the power station. Also the amount of current the cigarette lighter output is limited to 20 Amps in many cases, so you are wise in connecting the inverter directly to the battery through a large, 50 Amp fuse. By the way, if you are charging at 430 watts that means your Victron is drawing at least 430 watts from the power source. This would be about 33 Amps (430 w / 13v) = 33 A. Now of course the Victron is not a perfect device so the efficiency of the inverter might be around 75% so in reality, the Victron would be around 44 Amps. If you happen to be running lights or defroster or windshield wipers, etc. you could really be pushing your electrical output of your alternator. If you are idling, it could really tax the electrical output of a car or truck. A 300 watt inverter might be more practical for some people.
Ecoflow would rather have you install a inverter say 500watt that will charge your delta 2 in about two hours. You could of course get a 1000watt inverter but for size i prefer 500watt. This is the safest way to charge your Delta.
Thank you for the input I did check and Ecoflow has no issues with charging it this way. The Delta 2 can take up to 500 W through the solar input. So it is still safe to use it. The reason I did not use a inverter because they are bigger in size and also I'm not going to be using it for anything else other than charging the eco-flow.
When you installed the on off switch where did you hook the other wire to? You only show where are you plugged in that one wire?
You hook up the other wire to a 12 V source. You either run a 12 V source to the switch or you find a 12 V source on the vehicle somewhere and tap into that.
Something about this switch. Jumper in place runs all the time. Remove jumper and replace with switch you have on off. One wire is wrong. Then you have to locate a 12 volt feed for second wire. Just put switch in place of jumper.
How would you wire a wireless on off switch for it
You would still have to run a wire to the receiver of your wireless switch. I do have another video on my channel that goes more in depth on the installation part of it.
Is there no problem with a SMART generator ( dynamo) of the car ?
My truck does not have a smart alternator. But I did talk to a friend of mine and his vehicle does have a smart alternator and he has his exact same set up as I do for charging the power bank. He said you will just need to connect the negative to the chassis and not to the battery. Which is the way I hooked mine up. There’s a sensor on the negative post of that battery as long as you are past that sensor you should be fine and it should not mess anything up.
@@chrislusk2189 Thanks !!
Looking up at the Ecoflow Delta 2 Power bank, I see it is rated to draw 1200W from your 120VAC wall outlet. Why not use a 1000W DC-AC inverter instead? (I'd suggest a true sine wave inverter.) You would be able to charge twice as fast as solar ever could.
(You may have to reduce the AC power the bank will draw to protect the vehicle and inverter. I suspect there's a setting for that.)
When not used for charging the power bank, the inverter could be used for other things. Not so for the DC-DC converter - it has one purpose (emulate a solar panel).
Use a 500W DC-AC inverter instead. (So you have two 120VAC sources, the inverter and the bank. Redundancy is not a bad thing.)
When you're limited in what you can carry, you would want those things to have as many purposes/uses as possible.
There's nothing particularly special about the solar panel input. It can charge from any 10-60VDC source, but it is limited to 500W. (MPPT allows for loading the solar panel to its most efficient power point, something all solar installations should have).
When charging from your vehicle, the engine needs to be running, or you risk depleting/damaging the vehicle battery by overdischarge. Idling is acceptable. Any voltage from 12.5 to 14.5V is a normal voltage for a vehicle battery on charge in a running vehicle. Below 12V, you are either drawing too much power using the inverter, or there is a problem with the alternator or battery (assuming normal vehicle loads). Most vehicle alternators are capable of about 2.0kW (about 150A at 12.5V) output. Assume half of that is needed to run the vehicle.
I went this route because of its compact size. Also, the price is a little bit cheaper than buying a DC-AC converter. Having multiple functions with a DC-AC converter is nice but that's not the reason why I installed it. I only want one primary use and that's it. the unit charges in about 2 hours since I've been testing it and it usually takes us about 4 hours to get to the next location where we're going to so that actually works really good for us also, I don't want to use it for any other purposes other than charging because I don't want to run anything else off the car.
Running an inverter from a lead acid battery is not possible, the current draw would be to high.
so why not show the install?? Could greatly help some of us I mean under the hood
I ended up using the same 6ga wire that I installed a couple years ago for my air compressor and just used a distribution block to split it. As of the install underneath the hood I used 6 gauge wire hook it up to a fuse box and hook it up to the battery and installed it to the rear of the truck or the location you need to install it. You can look up any videos of how to install a car amp, and it's the same principal.
I'm in the process of installing that same Victron converter to my Delta2 battery. My concern is that when I have the Victron's power turned all the way up to 30 VDC and the Delta2 is charging, my truck's electrical system drops down to something like 12.6 VDC instead of the normal 14 VDC. Clearly my alterrnator doesn't have enough capacity (Lexus GX470). It would be a shame to get to the camp site with a fully charged Delta2 only to discover that I've sacrificed the charge on my truck's starter battery. Thoughts?
It could be possible that your alternator is starting to go bad. I actually tested mine out while the engine is running and I turn on the Victron to charge to Delta2 and it goes from 14.1 V down to 14.0 V and that's it. I would probably have the alternator tested or just replaced because it shouldn't drop that much.
@@chrislusk2189 Thanks for your reply. When you tested yours, were you driving on the road? My test was done with the truck idling in my driveway, which might not be a valid test.
The test was done while the truck was idling.
@@sgoldste02..update?
Upgrade your alternator to a more powerful one… otherwise you’ll take out your starter, alternator, and battery.
170$ the Orion Smart DC to DC charger will do the same thing and it is 100% sealed.
I may look into that on my next build, hopefully coming this year.
What does 100% sealed mean
@@kevinnguyen951 Sealed there are no fans, no holes 🕳️
@@theMekanik what are the advantages?
I really wish they made a 120v 48v charger. The only one viable is the EG4 for $400. The cheap ass china ones for $150 or so are crap. Victron got 12 and 24.. but no 48v unless you go up to their inverter/chargers which are huge and $1K+.
Signature solar has a 120vac charger that outputs 48v for $220.
@@whitmorestrains I ended up getting the Victron 48/3000. Though I still need a 3.2v per cell charger to ensure they are balanced I guess before I set it up as a 48v 16s setup.
What about a charger for electric bikes?
Not that high wattage though
So, switches and wiring for 4-500 watts at 12 gauge? I guess that's common enough for high power car audio these days? (I'm so old school we had 8 track players) 😅
What happens if you didn’t shut it off when it was fully charged😬
Once the unit is fully charged, it won’t draw anymore power and it will make the converter go on standby
I do have a more in-depth video on my channel of how I installed it.
Correction, you said the adjuster is 20-30v? It is 12-30v 😊
Also where is the install demonstration??
No, for this particular unit, the adjustment is between 20 to 30 V also I did put together a insulation video a few weeks later you can find it here czcams.com/video/C9q2Bp0hmBk/video.htmlsi=Ka4tN3BimuPNaR2i
@@chrislusk2189 So what you’re saying is on that 12/24v unit 20v is the minimum voltage coming out you’ve seen with a meter?
I guess that makes sense 👍
Fast charging the LFP batteries in your ecoflow will shorten their life expectancy.
This is hardly fast enough to damage it at all.
This is not considered fast charging the eco-flow delta 2 is able to accept up to 500 W for charging.
This is not fast charging, 400-500 watts is standard on normal setting from a wall socket or solar panels
Why not install a power inverter cheaper
Actually, a power inverter big enough to to charge the EcoFlow was more expensive. It’s cheaper to get the DC to DC inverter. Also I only want one purpose for this. I do not want to run multiple things off my car battery.
The fastest way I know to charge it, is buy an electric pickup truck with power in the bed like the F150 Lightning, or the Cybertruck. And the 123 or 130kwh traction battery they run off can charge at 150kw. 😊 One can dream, right?
A useless problem thats easily solved with out spending money 😂😂, eco flow already charges really fast, even if you forget to charge the night before leaving to camp, just plug it in 1 hour before you leave, it should charge up to 90-100%, then you plug the car charger thats included to top off , see 0$ spent 😂😂😂