The Parents That Raise Their Kids Without ANY Rules | Raised Without Rules | FULL DOCUMENTARY Origin
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- This documentary follows three British families are taking the bold decision to take their children out of school and bring them up without rules. These “extreme unschoolers” are part of a growing movement that believes that giving kids the absolute freedom of no bedtimes, no naughty step and no boundaries will help them grow up to become happier, more responsible people - but is it really true?
Mother of three Jenna’s 13 year old son Archie juggles fire and plays the drums, but seven years after being taken out of school he struggles to read and write and the grandparents are so concerned that they’re paying for him to have a tutor.
Vicky and Mike have just started their new lifestyle, and recently taken seven year old Jessica out of school. She now dies her own hair and makes her own meals, and appears to be thriving in a her new life without rules.
Gemma and Lewis have seven gorgeous children. None of them have been brought up to follow the rules. Life is a long series of playtimes and picnics with the kids doing whatever they like, but now a bombshell has dropped: eldest boy Finlay has now decided he wants to try school….
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When he said that at 13 years old he could not read/write it broke my heart. There is a difference between homeschooling and neglect.
Yeah
I definitely agree that it is neglect because he needs help, but from the Clips shown of him Trying to read and also how he speak into his phone. I am almost 100% certain he has dyslexia, I have dyslexia, and I do exactly what he does, but I had an amazing tutor, who helped me be able to read and write when I need to (if you don’t know what dyslexia is, it’s a neurological disorder where reading and writing and math is very difficult, but unfortunately, it is not fully understood by professionals)
Besides the reading and writing I think this is great. But yes i agree, there should be more priority on basic skills like that. Freedom and discipline are equally important. They give each other contrast.
Yikes
So when they become adults do they work? Or are supported by the government?
Jeez there's nothing scarier than being around someone who's never been told no
Right!
Can't Imagine them As Teenagers.
Exactly! They Should Just do Homeschooling Which is Less Pressure than School, and it would still be EXACTLY the same.
Except the Kids have more RECOURSES to make their own decisions when they start getting older. Not 13 and JUST learning how to Read.
The Parents are Making the Decisions off THEIR EXPERIENCES, and they got to Choose and Learn What they did and didn't want to do. Their Children Deserve that As Well.
Not "this didn't work for me, and wasn't good for me, so my children can't either"
When they're Older She will Surely See the Reality of what she's doing.
You're hilarious 🤣
Except someone who's only been told no. From what I've seen, they're scarier.
My parents let me do whatever I wanted from 14 on and all I wanted was rules. I wanted guidance to tell me how to be a strong healthy individual. It took years for me to correct the lifestyle I had. I’m not finished yet. I’m 43 and been fixing the sabotage from my childhood since 25.
I’m glad you are able to fix the sabotage on your own. It’s not easy, and it takes a lot of awareness. Keep up the great work
Honestly, most of these kids seem the same. No rules but they still ask their parents "can I do this?" They want structure! Even the one child said that other kids' parents have a lot of rules because they don't want them to get hurt.
i had a friend as a child my nextdoor neighbor and i was really jealous that she got to do whatever she wanted no rules and go wherever, when i told her that she said no i wish i had rules because at least your parents care where you are and if you are safe and that really hit me. we were only 11/12 at the time and i realized that my parents being overprotective kept me out of trouble and provided structure something she never had.
Jesus loves you and cares for you
Same I was 9 tho.... it just shouldn't happen 😢
I grew up like this. It's on par with neglect because what it really means is the parents have little interaction with a child. And I am still suffering, in multiple ways (as are my siblings) at 38 years of age. Absolutely abhorrent.
I have read that it is actually neglect in the book "Running on Empty". Highly recommend it
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I think it's hilarious that a family without rules creates a rebellious child that wants to clean, follow rules, and enjoys schoolwork.
Right...the nerve of that child to be so tidy and respectful 🙄 he should be ashamed of himself 😂...he's great
He's very smart and I hope he keeps this up so he doesn't have to struggle like the rest of his family
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The mother alienated the kids when they returned from school. This would make any child uncomfortable. There will always be consequence to bad behavior. I would rather not see my child behind bars.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 new parenting startegies. Write this point down for future generations ( just kidding)
I was struck by a bit of hypocrisy: they said they supported what their kids want to do but then laid an emotional guilt trip on them for wanting to try school and making fun of them when they got home. Calling them aliens and asking them if they smelled different. That's not support, that sent a very clear message that you are now no longer one of us. That's shameful.
I had the exact same thougt. I liked that woman up untill that point. Her reaction goes against everything she preaches.
Yeah you can tell they're total hypocrites. They decide not to teach them anything academic but teach them how to start fires and build fences... that's obviously showing bias and influencing what they then do.
Absolutely shit parenting.
How to raise selfish, self egoists, with no understanding of boundaries. Hey "mom" your client is paying you for a service-not to take care of your kids and give an interview.
Yeah I noticed too, how disgusting
That 12 year old boy is so well spoken and mature, hope he’s doing well in life.
Yeah, that kid gets it. He is more reliable and mature than his parents. I hope he does what he thinks is the best. In some years he will be happy and glad that he went his own way.
i found one of his social medias and he actually ended up going to school! not sure if it was years later but it looks like he's doing a-levels?? (or like 12th grade I guess?? idk I'm not British lol) and he seems to still be pretty close to the fam as well!
@@omgbleeepthisusernamebloopwhat is his account name
@@omgbleeepthisusernamebloop what is his social media
@@omgbleeepthisusernamebloop I'm so glad to know that!
Archie is lucky to have his grandfather's support. Watching a child his age struggling to read is so heartbreaking.
"I don't care if she ever learns to read or write as long as she's happy." Your role as a parent it to prepare your child for adulthood. You're setting your kids up for failure. The real world is going to hit them like a ton of bricks.
I think shes just saying that to pull people out of zombie land. People learn on a need to know basis.
In AfrIca, the society will shun and discriminate you for not taking kids to school home schooling is a foreign concept to us
Seriously what jobs can they get if they can’t even read or write? Ok they can learn to cut hair from their mom but can they count and do math? Mom says this kind of style is 80 dollars and they gave me a lot of bills, that’s more enough right? Little do they know it’s like only 40 in one and five dollar bills so it looks like a a lot.
If they decided themselves to go back to school they would be so many grades behind for their age and that could be what makes them to quit before they even started. They get so many great teachers who can get them interested in music, art, history, writing etc. these kids won’t be able to get into college and feel like they’re missed out on a big experience. I hope the son and daughter who wants to go to school and have rules does good at school and catches up, maybe the other kids will see all they get to do and want to do it too. Edit. Oh no they don’t do school because of the rules and schedule! And probably because of their parents and siblings making fun of them for it, so much for the “supportive and accepting” they say they have with their kids.
And school isn’t just important for education but also for interacting with other kids and learn valuable social skills and experiences. Kids having rules and structure is also very important, I would’ve liked having more of it growing up. How are these kids gunna be able to support themselves or survive on their own? Their parents won’t outlive them
The parents have like brainwashed them that when they played with other kids they ended up just Interrogating them about the rules they have with their parents like bedtime. They said they wouldn’t hang out with them because they’re weird and have “too many rules”. What lil kid thinks like that?! I had friends with more stricter parents then mine and didn’t judge them for it and actually liked their parents and home life.
And she'll be very unhappy later on in life , if she never learns to write or read
Nailed it
A mother thinking a kid doesn't need to learn to read or write is seriously lacking in parental skills.
Yes but the rest is a good idea
@@y2knoni No it isn’t. No one in their right mind would think this was an example of good parenting 😂
My friends daughter is 9 n can't read
I think she meant that they don't need to learn to read or write at that age, they definitely need to but age doesn't rlly matter so long as they can learn before age 10 at least
Maybe the parents want the kids to stay at the same literacy level as they are . Or the parents probably did not have a good experience when they went to school (they should realize thought that it does not have to be the same for their kids ). How would the kids know how it is???? Or at least, if they they go to a regular school, they should at least be home schooled.
Boundaries is an act of love and children flourish because of it. It’s those boundaries (such as eating a nutritious home cooked meal as opposed to eating ice cream for dinner at midnight) that sends the message that the parents cares for and loves their children. Anything less is just pure selfishness and laziness.
The parents are lazy.
What a sweetheart Archie's grandfather. Paying for his lessons to keep up education!
I can't believe Jenna took her eldest out of school because he was struggling to read and write, then never taught him how.
"If I need to write anything I'll just say it into my phone."
Sorry, kid, life isn't that easy, and your mother has failed you.
He may have a undiagnosed learning disorder? If hom and his parents aren't working on coping skills early it will only be even harder later.
@@carochan86 I thought the same thing. She mentioned how she didn't like how the school handled the situation but didn't say details. It's certainly possible they suggest he may need to be tested and the parents didn't like that idea
@@jessicamarie7322 they’d rather him be an idiot then get the support he needs to be smart
He probably has dyslexia hopefully he gets the proper help that he needs because he may say it doesn't matter but I bet it dose to him more then he wants ppl to know. He was very asheemed when he forgot the L in club... But that's dyslexia for ya 🙃
Finley is the shit. I like him.
That one child is so brave to want to go to school in an environment that discourages it. I pray that he finds the structure that he needs to thrive.
He left because he saw that public school is a state Nanny for the poor, it is a restrictive and repetitive prisión that turns people into zombies.
@@AbcAbc-nv9kz Can't say I completely disagree with that statement.
Me too and he probably doesn't want to get away from family some and make friends too
@@AbcAbc-nv9kz well he's gonna have to learn thing at some point of his life , school's zombie treatment gives you the knowledge to thrive. Money is everything in today's life agree or disagree , You're writing this comment on a full belly , Not for them . Jobs in the UK are underpaid for the unskilled . So when he doesn't have enough to buy to fill himself up , he'll steal murder and why I say so is they don't know No as an answer to everything . So basically Zombies who don't murder , rape , steal and just do what they want is way better than anyone who is without a boundary.
@@GauravSingh-vt9pg Highschool graduation is not enough for a job. Which means highschool failed at giving peole skills. Parents can teach you reading writing and arithmetic. Other than that, people need to turn their talents into solutions for basic income. A certification is necessary for technical fields. Other than that, people just need saving and investing skills. The only reason people work is to pay off debts. So higher education should be done around 30. So you can live debt free in your 20s and just save and invest.
I can't imagine a parent not caring about their child not being able to read and write. Just blows my mind. I'm in agreement with Granddad...at least a tutor for reading and writing. I have a feeling that those kids will resent the parents one day. And it is lazy parenting. I'd hate to see how they act when they're in the "grown-up" world and don't get their way.
This type of parenting is also a form of control “No one loves you more then me look how I let you do what you want and you will love me for it and never leave me.” The first family in particular give off this vibe the mother manipulated that intelligent little kid into not returning to school. The parents clearly have some trauma from their childhoods and they are trying to heal through creating pretend little worlds as if they are living in a bubble.
THIS is exactly what I saw in these stories! You're spot on!
I definitely don't think these parents have the right to call other parents lazy when they can't even be bothered to teach their children how to read a book
I don't think its lazy. They just don't value reading and writing as much so a logical consequence of this is not teaching their kids how to read and write. It has nothing to do with being lazy is my point.
@@orwellianyoutube8978 well one of the moms said their kid didn't like reading, so now it's easier for them and less stressful..sounds kind of lazy or demotivated to me.
@@orwellianyoutube8978 thus disabling their children's future.
@@orwellianyoutube8978 so HOW are these kids every get a job if they can't read or write ?
It is lazy when you want no part in dealing with your kids in everyday life.
I genuinely want to see these kids years later as adults and see if their upbringing was for the better or worse....
I have a feeling that most of them (except maybe Finn) are going to struggle a lot.
@@kennedyhuff But the world is changing drastically everyday so i guess only time will tell how they turn out 🤷🏾♀
@@vanessakimoli6281 Unless they can teach themselves boundaries they'll have a hard time is all I'm saying. This isn't a whole generation being raised like this, it's a very small number of kids and they'll suffer for their parents' neglect.
@@kennedyhuff Valid point.I guess as they grow older they may change the way they live rn because they'll all probably want different things in life.They're all around 9 so they may change their minds on going to school later on.
@@vanessakimoli6281 I also hope they change their minds on school.
Poor Finley is craving structure & rules so bad. He’s wise beyond his years. Children need structure & rules to learn boundaries & to strive in life.
I was raised similar to this, and I grew up with a great amount of self-confidence. The problem began when I entered adulthood and the real world, and didn't know how to clean house, be organized, or hold my tongue. This actually caused me alot of real difficulties as an adult and left me opposite of self-confident , but insecure. You must teach your children right from wrong. They're going to look at you one day and ask you why you didn't... and they will not raise their kids the same way that will be the telltale sign if you were right to raise them this way.
I find it disheartening how the one mother kept making comments about her two children that wanted to try out school.Calling them aliens, asking if they smelled different etc. It seemed like she was trying to guilt and shame them out of wanting to go to school rather than respecting and supporting their decisions about their education.
Scrolling through after writing my comment and we literally have said the same thing. I honestly didn’t see your comment before I wrote mine.
That stood out for me too, regarding the Mom.
I agree like she can't even parent right!!! They'll suffer in the long run when they're older and don't know how to interact
What you said about the comments "aliens" & "smelling different", really changed the kids mind about school.
...I'm pretty sure other comments were made too to the kids. Just Not heard on camera.
Kids need structure and discipline!!!
When that baby grabbed the knife, my heart skipped a beat & the mother just laughed & said "being safe". That was so Not Parenting right then!!!
I felt bad for Archie being taken out of school at 7yrs old, & now at 13yrs old couldn't read or write.
...Thank you to his grandfather for stepping up to help his grandson.
...& just when Archie is making good progress, the mother wants to go on a vacation & interrupt Archie's learning. Her father was Not Happy!!!
...Archie is an Awesome kid, but his grandfather was right...Archie Does Need to hangout with some friends.
Very "you can do whatever you want as long as what you want doesn't conflict with what I think you should want." Freedom but only how I think it should be. Definitely sabotaged the school trial.
Yeah, it was pretty gross. Odd that she would say earlier that she wanted them to have freedom to choose, and then they tried to choose for themselves she made them feel like shit.
Woman: “A child being kept safe is important”
Her baby: “Knife time”
Right!. So scary 😳
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it's a spatula
oh no nvm, thought u meant about the first baby ahhah
Wow im your 1.1k like💃🤭 congrats bestie
Met a parent and daughter who didn't know how to read and write. Daughter was 20. Mother was almost 50. They needed to fill out government forms but wasn't able to do since they don't know how to read. Even simple things like checking if married, widow, single. They don't know because they can't read. Learning to read and write is a must even if you don't want to send your kids to school. Please teach them to read and write. What if they need to buy medicine etc.
If they are not taught rules, what are the parents doing? That's what parenting is all about. Guiding and teaching along with loving
I’ve known several families that raised children this way. Now the kids are 25+, still living at home and have severe depression. Ironic, since happiness was the goal
Got them there
Damn
100% agree w you. I was raised with my 8 siblings in a home with no rules. I begged to go to school and fought to go to university. I then became my family's wallet and not a person. My brother is 25 and can't read. It's been years since we've seen each ova but all of my siblings have never worked and don't even have bank acc. They all live at home and are on the government benefit. It's not right, I tell everyone please don't do this to your kids, happy stops when you realise at 18 you can't spell your own name.
This world is depressing. Dont blame on their upbringing
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As a mental health professional for children in care… If I’ve learned anything it’s that kids need structure and boundaries as much as they need love and support. I understand why a parent might want to homeschool their child. But not implementing any rules or boundaries gives them a false sense of reality. One day, they will be forced to venture out into the real world where there are real consequences.
As a teacher I have learned the same thing as you. The kids who are raised without boundaries and consequences tend to become manipulative and compulsive liars as they can’t handle facing their own words and actions. They have zero coping skills around self responsibility; it’s very sad to watch, and a challenge to the management of the classroom community.
I went to school, I hated it, but i liked to learn. School taught me to hate working as a team, because the other kids wanted to be there less that me, they didn't like to learn, so I was either doing all myself or getting bad grades because of other people. They didn't like me because I liked studying so I made no friends, I don't have one friend from school or high school that I still talk to.
I did learn things a school but pretty sure I learned more and more useful at home and by myself. Plus my job now is based on all the skills I learned outside of the system, not even at university.
So I think it will all depend on the kid, and surely not leave all up to them to the point they can't even read... you can let them make their own choices while still guiding and intervene when it's going too far.
They aren't even educating them. Their kids should be in care.
This isn’t homeschooling. This is just laziness.
Not true. I was raised that way and I'm a successful person. I have 3 masters degrees, 3 properties and I'm a lawyer. :) you dont have a false sense of reality. You learn facing consequences, which is closer to the real world.
Imagine a society full of individuals who have never been told no. will be supporting a whole lot more of individuals who neither want to work or are incarcerated.
So as a 30 year old woman who was also raised this way. Let me share my experience.
I was diagnosed with ASD when I was a child. And then, Not Otherwise Specifed Psychosis as well. School was not happening.
I was always bullied, thrown out of the district, that couldn't accommodate people like me with learning difficulties. I couldn't bond with anyone and didn't make any friends.
Once I was taken out of school. My days became less depressing and more tolerable. I felt like I was actually starting to live.
I wasn't stuck in a classroom, trying to learn times tables. I was outside learning how to fill out money orders. So when I was an adult, I knew how to pay rent.
I wasn't being forced into group projects. With children who made fun of me, for not picking up on their hurtful 'jokes'.
I was in therapy learning how to manage all my symptoms. With both practical skills and medication.
I was taught by my mother, by being brought outside into the world. Being shown things from all walks of life. Instead of looking at a paper and memorizing things.
Government assistance? I knew how it worked from 14 years old. Community outreach? I know where all my safe places are. Even when I moved across states. I will always know how to get help when I need it.
A lot of children around me, were being taught to smile in people's face. And that the adult is always right.
I was told if I had an opinion, I was to speak it. If I had an idea, I could do it and that I should try. If it didn't work out, it's okay to give up and do something new.
Not the rhetoric that; 'You should never give up.' No it's perfectly fine to walk away from something or someone that hurts you. That's how I managed to have only postive interactions with others in my life growing up.
All of this in my upbringing, did wonders for my creativity.
Because lo and behold I was a creative thinker. While I couldn't and still can't memorize times tables. I can write very well, I can sing, I have learned other languages.
What I benefited from was not being stuck in a box everyone else is in. But being given the keys to my own future. Since nobody is going to live it except me.
I can hold normal conversations. I no longer have self confidence issues. I believe in my ability to get my point across. I am more than capable of surviving on my own. I have been living alone since 19 years old.
I have my own home.
I have my own freedom.
I know how to sustain it.
I don't think all unschooling is bad.
I don't think no rules households are bad. I think if you're giving something valuable to your children. Teaching them the actual things they need to survive. Then your child is going to be perfectly fine.
I definitely am and I'm much happier for it. Being taking out of school at 12. And being given freedom to engage my special interests 24/7 without the fear of being told no. And being treated for my disability instead of told 'I just need to work harder.' Was the best thing my mother ever did for me.
Thank you Mom. ❤
My ex grew up in a home exactly like these homes. He was never told no & he was given free reign to do whatever he pleased. He was taken out of school after he screamed & cussed out teachers.
He was violent & abusive bc he didn’t like the word “no.”
This is not a way to raise children. It’s laziness.
Your ex was a narcissist. He likely had a narcissistic parent. Had nothing to do with a permissive parenting style. Completely different issue.
He was never told not to not hit. Or cuss peoplr out. So how is it not the parenting style. They let him do it.
Live whould be just more easy if you let your kids do what they want..if i just let my kids sit all day and watched youtube i would never be tired or have a messy house... its just easy parenting and not care about the kids future.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5tothey grew him so…
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toI think it’s a bit of both. Like some kids are naturally empathetic and kind and others need to be taught to be
In other words: “ I don’t care if they’re broke and homeless in the future, as long as they’re happy.”
yesss as long as they're happy ,just in the same way about rich people,just because you're wealthy doesn't mean you're happy most of rich people has no morals and no happiness inside them that they're trying to fit in on the standard that society tell us who to be. Most of broke or poor people has a decent human morals that shines compares to yhe wealthy ones.
So money ≠ happy amrite?
And where's the "happiness" in being broke and homeless? These parents are pathetic.
@@xbvm Not entirely but yes, it can help bring happiness an awful lot. I don’t think those kids will be very happy living on the streets.
I think they won't be very happy if they are unemployed, homeless and hungry
The parents seem to be mostly afraid of school itself. I think Finley would absolutely thrive in school, but is being held back by his parents' fears. I hope he cycles around to schooling again. (as someone who loved school myself)
Yeah I agree. It's about the parents needs, of course.
I hated school, dropped out at 14, left home and went to work. I had a happy life after leaving home.
My mother had severe mental illness and raised me basically hands off. As long as I didn’t bother her I could do whatever I wanted. I was placed in foster care around 10. I loved the group homes and children’s facilities. They had rules and regulations. You knew when it was time eat, what to wear and how to act. There were consequences if you didn’t follow the rules. I hated it when I was returned to my mother. I’d much rather be in a place with structure.
What happened to your dad?
@@8luvbug did not know who he was until I was an adult. So he wasn’t around at all
Likewise. My mom was off partying and cheating on my step dad 24/7(I was the product of that) , while my dad worked as a full time trucker to put food on the table and pay bills so he was never home. I am the youngest of 5 girls. My mom abandoned us for months at a time with no food or anything. My 2nd oldest sister was 12 and had to steal food from grocery stores for us. We were dirty, starving and sick. It took years for CAS (Canadian CPS/DCS) years to remove us. I was crown ward from the age 5 onward.
Kids need support, structure, life skills, and skills on how to process emotions properly. I lost one of my sisters 4 years ago, and blame my mom 100%.
That’s exactly how I would raise my kids
Same for me. My mother had severe mental illness. And it did a lot of harm. I would opt for living with strangers at 9 yrs old to get away from that neglectful environment where I was eating frozen pancakes straight out of the freezer to live because my mother wouldn't get out of bed.
I hate how hypocritical Gemma and Lewis are.They are fine if the choices their children make are fun and unconventional but if their child wants some actual structure in their life they try to change that child's mind.
Definitely noticed that too. They have extremely nice kids but saying things like “the aliens are home” and “ do they smell different” was clearly to help reinforce to all that school is a negative thing.
Exactly. Allowing your kids to do whatever they want. Unless they want to do something conventional.
This^^
EXACTLY they have no rules yet 2 want to actually go to school, and it's a "BAD" Thing..... So messed up
I feel so sorry for their son who is obviously craving stability.
There's a difference between homeschooling and just ignoring your children's social and academic development. They are limiting their children's choices. More education means more choices. There are thousands of opportunities and careers they will never be able to aim for, but wow they can eat what they want. My heart aches for the son who wants school.
Exactly! I wanted to shake that mom when she said "I don't want her to work in an office!" Well mom, it's not YOUR choice. What if the child DOES want to work in an office one day but can't because her parents were lazy? It's sad.
If a child wants school and parents claim they live without rules still deny them of that, kinda contradicting. Give the child a chance!
Yes indeed. Lazy parenting.
I'm guessing the boy who DOES want order & schooling will do well for himself. But he'll have all the others saying he's "snobby" while constantly trying to bum off him. That's what my 1st husband & several of his brothers did to the hard-working brother who saved his money & was responsible.
Nonsense, Barbara! Once they are 18, they have the rest of their lives to pursue absolutely anything that they want to.
Loving your kids and enjoying being with them is fine. The inability to be apart from them in order for them to attend school is not. This is child abuse. Children need boundaries and guidance to develop a genuinely healthy sense of self, to learn self-control and to learn how to successfully interact with society. They need an appropriate education (either traditional school or real homeschooling) in order to be able to function in the world and to be prepared for employment. These parents are setting their kids up for failure.
Totally agree. It's abuse.
In homeschooling in America this is called Unschooling. It is a method that does work well with some kids. Most parents though, make a point of incorporating basics like reading, writing and counting into the day. It does give you freedom to really delve into a topic that they want to learn about. For my son, who is dyslexic, it gave me a way to sneak in cognitive therapies for his reading while making it a game. I did a mix of unschooling and schooling. Unschooling understands that many kids can learn more if they are out and about with the parent. I took him everywhere. As a result, he knew how to hold conversations with adults, knew how to read a map, could plan camping trips by age ten, does mathematics way better than I do, and is very secure in himself and his abilities. I did it for three years as the district was not helping him with reading and his dyslexia.
wow very cool! they never taught us how to have a conversation with an adult at school
Yes there are nuances here that are incredibly important! We need to tune into how our child learns best
Man. Do a second documentary on this family when there're all adults. Everyone need some type of structure, especially children.
I nannied for 6 years. Kids thrive with structure. They obviously need space to explore and all. But this type of freedom can be scary and uncertain for kids. They learn not to trust you.
It makes me sad.
I really think that all children need schooling though whatever that may be homeschool Montessori etc etc. And kids need sleep as well as how to learn what is healthy to eat and how much of it. Without that little bit of structure you are setting your kids up for troubles when an adult
Very good suggestion... would be great to see how they panned out
Absolutely! I wonder what this kid's will think of societies rule's as they get older.
Exactly. They'll hate their parents
People who were never taught to respect other people's boundaries are a nightmare to deal with. They're unable to maintain relationships and can even become controlling and abusive. This level of neglect is scary.
It's come to the point that kids and teenagers start bothering and harassing adults for fun. I've experienced this myself over and over again, and the parents just keep watching or even laughing about this.
@@corinna4077 really?
That's insane. What sort of things they do ?
Exa try right ✅
That's exactly 💯 right ✅
And frequent jail and prison. Not all of them but it creates a recipe for it.
Skye's case breaks my heart. She wants to go to school but she's uncertain, and she's getting bad guidance instead of the encouragement she needs. She's being raised to be emotionally and mentally crippled.
I was relieved to hear that he was trying to write 'club'. 🤣
Finlay is a smart boy. He knows that if he likes the 'nerd life' of school structure he will be an outcast in his own family and his mother has made it abundantly clear how 'disappointed' she is. He is too young yet to be able to endure that. 'The no rules life' are great as long as you don't break the rules. I don't think the parents see the irony. They are just as, if not more controlling and selfish than any other parent, but have also denied their children a chance of fitting easily into society or making a future for themselves.
Watching that 13 year old kid trying to read probably year 1 level…. That’s just disgraceful. It’s a form of abuse for these kids - holding them back from basic reading and writing and a right to an education.
And he seemed so proud of himself when they filmed him at his lesson! He didn’t say it, but I could definitely see it in his face. I love that mom is encouraging him to follow his passions, he seems like a great drummer and archer and possibly even has a cool future doing art! But it seems like mom just gave up when he was struggling when he was younger, rather than helping him at home. Knowing how to read is such an important life skill, whether or not you’re well written. You should be able to read signs to get places, food labels to avoid allergies, read a recipe to make the food you want? Warning signs, news articles, I could go on forever. Does he need to know how to write a perfectly written essay? No, not really. But reading is such an important life skill to even basic SURVIVAL at this point. I’m so glad grandpa pushed for the private lessons. He seems like a good kid, I hope everything turns out okay for him
Wow 😲 daily wild house 🏠‼️
I agree I was so scared writing my comment but lucky I’m not the only one that thinks this my kid misses school because of a reason I still ring the school update them why he didn’t attend unless my kids are very sick if not there at school everyday
It's not abuse at all...
Children have the right to make decisions. Some children have problems because of traditional ideas, such as schooling and love. Not letting children be themselves is abuse, dude.
Please think before you comment. Your words could be very hurtful.
I'm not saying I agree with everything, but children should definitely have the right to say no.
Also, it's not like the kids are dumb/aren't learning anything. All people learn new things each day. Depressed kids shouldn't have to stay.
Honestly, your closed minded words were disgraceful.
@@yerinbaekscandlelight you clearly don’t have kids. It is abuse to deprive your kids of an education. That’s being closed minded. You need basic skills in life to function. Reading is important, maths is important, science and History. It’s a parents responsibility to ensure there kids are set for life.. and by allowing them to say ‘no’ to learning isn’t the best for that child. That boy was 12 and didn’t know how to read basic preschool level. You need to read in life - signs, maps, medicines, even to get a job. I think perhaps if they can’t do mainstream school, then homeschool is the way to go. But to throw your arms up in the air and not offer any form of proper education is a detriment to any child. That’s fact
Parents: “We want our kids to be independent and have the ability to make decisions for themselves😃”
Finley: *makes decision to go to school*
Parents: “No, not like that”
Bingo! It's not about giving their children freedom at all. It's about CONTROLLING their children. Mom of 7 says it over and over "i'm losing them".
They literally let them go and try it and we’re going to support a decision to go?
@@annie.hi. yeah they were but you could clearly see how much they didn’t like it and were sort of criticizing them about it, calling them aliens when they came home and such. They were trying their best to be nice but both of them emphasized how much they didn’t want them to go and that they were loosing them to the system and stuff. But they did let them go which I was surprised about since they seemed so adverse to it.
@@optimysticpeaches they were teasing them. Obviously the parents supported giving it a try. That’s why they set up the trial. They expressed their feelings of sadness that they would miss them. Do you really think those kids went to a public school and were like “hey this is so fun! I want to do this every day of my life!”? It’s really not surprising that they went and realized it wasn’t what they hoped it would be. Even for kids that enjoy traditional academic learning, school is not a fun place to be for so many hours of your life.
@@annie.hi.
Teasing at a decision like that is not good. It could easily make the child hesitate.
Your username checks out, are you similar to them?
School is beneficial, educate is a necessity and a right. There may be bad kids but so are good kids. Just like life, you deal with it and make the most out of it. No turning back or quitting, just moving forward for betterment regardless
"i don't care if she learns to read or write" this is outrageous
I agree with lenient parenting and not over managing everything. But an extreme of any end is still bad. You should lead but not force, and let them learn from their own mistakes. But not letting them have any learning or structure is insane
I tell you guys, Finlay is gonna be huge. He sound so matured. He has plans for his future and he's aiming for an organized lifestyle. He also understands the importance of rules more than his parents. His mindset for a 12 year old is surprising, I can see a bright future ahead of him. Finlay is like that one protagonist in a movie who is born in a wrong family hahahah I just love how different he is from his family.
Well but all of this maturity comes from growing up and learning with their parents lifestyle, he wasn't born in the wrong family, he's just being able to grow up and be himself
Imung mama. having said that, i completely agree with you on that topic.
Matilda.
Without the telekinesis
Its like matilda, all her parents do is watch tv and they dont wanna learn anything, meanwhile matilda wants to read, and learn
It made me angry how grand dad paid for a tutor and the second the teenager starts showing improvement, mom plans for them to go traveling. That's messed up. That's 100% depriving her son the progress he could get.
That part was so sad. He clearly has a learning disability. I understand that some schools are really bad places for kids with those issues, so I can see why she may have been right to remove him & change focus for awhile to build his self-esteem up. But once he started showing such progress with the tutor, that should have become the priority. Reading and writing are life skills.
It's like the mom purposely trying to go against her dad to show that she is right
@@JB-pj1ey I’m thinking he might not actually have a learning disability. In about six weeks he has progressed so well that his tutor think he only needs about one more year to be completely caught up. That’s incredible progression and highly unlikely in a child with a LD. Chances are he’s just horribly uneducated and it simply takes time to catch up. He’s 13 and has been out of school for more than six years. That means he left school at age 6-7. He was very young and his reading likely hadn’t gone very far yet. The kid needs a proper education.
I’m 100% for people having choices, including children but depriving someone of the ability to read is incredibly cruel. If you can read then you can do anything you want to do. It opens up so many doors and possibilities. Isn’t that what these parents want for their children? Isn’t that why they’re doing this, to give their kids choices? If they can’t read then they have no choices. At least Finley’s mother (can’t recall her name at the moment) is teaching her children how to read and giving them the opportunity to get an education.
@@dalhaw6760 that’s exactly what it is. She doesn’t want to admit she made the wrong decision. This is all about the parents….NOT the kids
Thank you to the grandfather, who is paying for a tutor. Way to go Grandpa! You are giving that boy a few options in life.
Im so happy I live in Germany. You cant take ur children out of school here, so everyone gets the same education. I think thats especially important because I feel like homeschooled children often just accept the beliefs and opinions of their parents as theirs, which in some cases, is def problematic.
Lol no they don't, they also turn anti parents in their puberty, no worries 😅😅
What I was reading is your education system in Germany is based on where you were placed according to a test, and you have three different schooling options that have different requirements. So they’re not getting the same schooling right?
Its not based on a test, but the parents opinion (up until a few years ago parents actually had no say in it and the teachers were the deciding factor). So basically ur parents decide which schoolform would work best for you. As u said, we have three different schooling options. The difficulty of the stuff we learn does ofc vary a lot between these options, but we ultimately all learn the same things. The "better" options just do it faster and more in-depth. @@theirishsaint4324
We don’t have the test anymore. Instead teachers in our equivalent to primary school can give recommendations. The parents can choose to follow it however they might decide against it. The fallout is many teens struggling a lot in the Gymnasium (Finishing this school allows you to go to university) simply because their parents told them to just try it out. Some of my former classmates didn’t want to disappoint their parents and now have horrible grades but they also can’t drop out anymore because the grades they got in 10th grade (Which is a Realschulabschluss, this qualifies you for doing an apprenticeship but you can also continue your education on a specific Gymnasium which is only for one area of expertise, for example economics) were so bad almost no businesses would accept them as employees (They’d have mostly D’s or something worse).@@theirishsaint4324
Editing my comment doesn’t work for some reason so I’ll try to answer your question here: Everyone technically has the same opportunities however social factors, having bad teachers and other factors might keep you from being able to use your potential completely. Additionally going to university can be impossible for you because of housing issues so you need to find a university that would accept you and allows you to live relatively close which is usually only possible if it isn’t in a big city.
For a kid whos given "freedom" and no rules, Findlay is really exceptional for WANTING to be clean and tidy, WANTING to go to school and do school work. Wishing him all the best
Because school can be fun. Especially at a young age you get to play with people other than your siblings you get to learn and pick your career instead of doing whatever get ps money
@@beansforlief5703 yea definitely but many kids (me when inwas a kid) would probably choose not to go lol
I would have choose to not go to school and learn online instead. I had learning disabilities and was bullied a lot.
At the end of the video, he and his sister that tried out school decided not to go. They'd be brilliant with parents with structure, but because of the freedom at home, in the end they preferred not to go to school, and therefore their potential more than likely will not be realized, which is such a shame.
He is such a treasure. I'm praying for him!🙏🏻💜
I grew up with friends that had parents like this. I use to think "Oh they are so lucky! As an adult now. I am so thankful my parents were open minded, let me express myself BUT did have boundaries and rules. The family I knew had 11 kids. 3 were killed in a car wreck when they took the parents car out one night, 5 of them have been in and out of jail, 1 is in prison for 25yrs to life and 2 turned out decent and have their own kids, and those kids have rules & boundaries!!
I feel so lucky my parents didn't raise me like this. I can't imagine.
Just reading how those kids turned out let me know how terribly this parenting style is. Granted that is anecdotal and it’s only one set of kids but I think that would be the case for most kids in a scenario like this.
I know a family of home schooled kids they all loved books because their mom let them read freely and encouraged them to read without forcing them. They are/were all home schooled, total freedom, The two oldest a went to NYU and Yale. The younger ones still teens, taught themselves computer coding and the youngest builds guitar amplifiers at age 9. So sometimes it really works out for the best with no rules.
@@Hyperactiveknucklehead But they still got home schooled unlike these kids.... these kids won't be able to go to uni if they wish that easily
@@Hyperactiveknucklehead I wonder what their social lives are like
I grew up without school, not so much no rules but I’d cry my way out of things and I never got punished and I can say now, not going to school and not having structure rlly screwed me over. Feel horrible for these kids.
It is a clear NO to me. I have seen the awful results of the free parenting. To me, this kind of "parents" just don't fee like take any responsibility in raising their children. No guidance, no boundaries, no sense of responsibility. Very scary and even scarier when they will go out into the real world.
At MINIMUM, Kids need to know how to READ AND WRITE AND Know how to Count and Do Basic Math
I think it's crazy that a 13 years old is illiterate nowadays. His mother failed him and he's going to struggle later. He'll regret it. In the real world who's gonna want to hire an illiterate man? It's basic stuff you just need in everyday life.
@@beatricetancredibt indeed it is. The poor kid wanted to paint "club" on the caravan but struggled with that.
well unless the child has learning problems, thats hard to promise all the time yk. and other mental issues:/
Absolutely! Reading gives them the foundation they need to learn themselves anything they want to. My children pick what they want to learn about with our home school, but they couldn't possibly learn if they couldn't read or do basic math. Unless there's a disability, there's no excuse.
Honestly like I get that it was hard seeing her child struggle and be frustrated with it but I don’t think fully pulling him out of school and saying screw education was the way to go. I think the young boy just needed a different style of learning. What his grandfather did was great it’s clear that he’s improving with the more hands on and personalized approach. Perhaps if his parents had went that route originally he would have been much more proficient.
Parent: We give are kids total freedom to do what they want.
Child: "I want to go to school."
Also Parent: "Uh, I don't know how I feel about that."
right? isn't that rules too?
Frightening
Disgusting
They, as parents and role models, made fun of the idea and all the time were using their influence on the kids to talk them out of it. In the end talking about how this decision of not going confirms their beliefs that their way of life is best...hypocrites.
And we are the ones that have to deal with them.... Thanks so much.
I grew up hating school so much, I would cry and throw tantrums every morning. I am glad my mom did not decide that I would happier without school. I have a degree today and I get to work for one of the biggest investment firms in my country. This is not love its pure neglect! I feel so bad for these kids.
I had a friend who was raised like this with no rules. She said she was scared and felt not safe all the time. She never knew if what she was doing was something that could get her hurt. Kids deserve boundaries. It makes them feel safe.
Wow, that's so sad ... Unfortunately it doesn't suprise me 🤐
I was raised like this. I can’t say I remember feeling unsafe during childhood but I can say that whenever I was around other “normal” kids I felt less than. And as an adult today I struggle with a lot of social things other people don’t struggle with.
It would probably result in them struggling once they’d leave home because suddenly there’s rules everywhere
@@samcoker9510 like what?
For boys and girls it's just so important. Imagine them being in a relationship with someone they won't even realize how negative their world views are as soon as the subject of education comes up. I know I commented it elsewhere already but I'm really bothered by the idea of a young girl being kept in the dark ages by her own MOTHER who does have the freedom of reading and signing contracts, making her own money etc. The daughters are set up to be financial and emotional abusive relationships and so are the sons.
this is called “i had too many kids so i don’t care anymore”. structure is essential in everyone’s life. they won’t survive in the real word.
No they won't I've seen this in real life its absolutely tragic what happens to children of parents that are too lazy to set rules.
This is a threat to society
And villain origin story
R u blind? How is that not care?? They just do things differently. Thts all
@@aiden_zae it might seem harmless, but people have rules, we have rules in live, you don’t have to be a strict parents but teaching their kids that rules exist is important. Imagine you grew up being an adult and not being able to receive a simple no from other ppl. Not knowing that sometimes you can’t do a certain things freely because they’ve never taught what’s appropriate and what’s not. Parents supposed to teach and raise their kids, even animals do too. By letting them do exactly ‘whatever’ they want without any consequences will become a threat in the future, trust me.
I love how the one dude believe in no rules but then told his kid they couldn’t slam the door on the shed thing. 😂
I cant imagine being a neighbor to those seven kids especially in this time of working from home😢
This is the saddest thing Ive ever seen. “We just want them to be happy and do whatever they want” kid wants to wake up early and go to school to feel accomplished...mom proceeds to shame him for wanting that. So sad
Yeah I didn't get that part myself.
Yeah it did feel like his mom was not letting him have his own choice there.
I am an early childhood teacher and I can 10000% tell you that Children thrive in a structured environment. They crave stability, security and predictability... it's the school system and anxious parents that has failed children. All children learn differently. But these parents have taken no rules to the extreme.
I agree 100%, as a teenage girl myself, I believe that some rules are necessary for a kid’s development towards adulthood. I believe that you should allow children to express themselves and for children themselves to put boundaries but this is too much. How will these kids be prepared for society? They simply won’t. How will they even figure out what they want in life, who they are, what will they do when they’re put in difficult situations if some can’t even write or read. I am not against children being themselves and expressing themselves but this lifestyle is detrimental for a kid.
Having freedom and gentleness is different from having a free for all. It's neglect tbh. You as a parent are there to teach your children how to care for themselves and be adults.
My daughter has ADHD and she thrived in structure. Everything would spiral without structure in my home, when she was a kid. I’m happy to report she’s 25 and a responsible adult now.
Structure gives most of the people some stability when they can’t be with their loved ones. But when you can stay all day every day with the most important people I’m not sure you think about sructure anymore.
Agreed. This is rough to watch. I’m 100% for allowing children to follow their curiosity. But within reason. Children need boundaries and stability to feel safe as well as to be able to respect the boundaries of others as adults.
I hated going to school and doing chores when I was a kid. Today I realize how important it was. It forced me to socialize and learn to get along with people from all backgrounds. It helped me to learn structure which is important as you get older. School taught me more than I'd like to admit it did 😆
I want a follow up video in 25 years.
I’m proud of Finley to stand up and choose to go to school, such a young man to know right from wrong. (excuse me if I spelled his name wrong). He is going to make it in life and do very well.
That kid who shaved their head, asked for permission in a household with no rules....the child wanted a boundary which is why permission was requested.
Also they had a nose piercing?
@@GuadaaMeyee the older one did, I don’t think the little girl who shaved her head did but I could be wrong
@@alexandramontes3413 She did
@@alexandramontes3413 she did lol
They don't mean no rules, like that 🙄
I'm sure the mom still wants to know ahead of time, what they are going to do.
Even if she's fine with it. Notice she also told her how to do it, didn't just say have at it.
I agree with Archie's Grandpa. The kid is 13 and needs to be able to read, write, know basic math and have friends. The mother seems like she wants to be his friend more than a mother. How are these kids going to keep jobs if they don't even have the basic skills.
@Desiree CC too bad for Archie you need to be able to read, write, and do basic math to run your own business
@Desiree CC it really isn't, it's pretty hard to start and run a successful business.
Sadly unless someone intervenes or the children take it upon themselves, once they are legally adults, to get proper education chances are the taxpayers will be paying for them in some form of welfare or disability.
I thought the same thing, like what is he going to do when he's older!?
@Desiree CC To run your own business you to need to be able read, write, and do math. Depending on your bussiness you might be required to fill out permits, get loan documents, read and sign a lease or rental agreement, be able to balance your business accounts, figure out employee payroll, know your states laws when it comes to employment or business regulations and a whole shit ton of other stuff. Not to mention if you go into something like food service you would be mandated to pass a safe serve as well as other certifications to show you are running a clean and healthy business. I mean even someone who wants to knit blankets or make jewellery and sell it online need to know how to read/write/and do math. They couldn't get a website set up, take customer orders, ship out merchandise, balance their profit/loss margins, or order material from vendors without those basic skills. Running your own business is a risky gamble. It takes lots of time, organization, structure, as well as a good business idea. Yes they could have people working for them like an accountant or someone to deal with online orders and shipping but that would require paying these individuals which can put a large dent into any profit the company makes.
My question is, how do they expect their children to live once their gone? Meaning how will they pay for some place to live, their future children, food and so on. The last person said she wanted her kids to travel and get out of this town. How will they do that with no education or money? Having your kids be rule free is one thing but not setting them up for success to live for the rest of their life is another. This is extremely selfish of the parents. They don't stay little forever.
Imagine how irritating it must be to live in a house where you have lots of younger brothers who do whatever they want whenever they want and parents who never punish them. You don't go to school and your parents who say they are in favor of freedom make fun of you for wanting to have a life different from them. Poor kids
As a nanny, I would never, ever, ever be okay working with a family like this. These poor kids.
I would rather be a janitor. I feel you
They typically don’t need or have nannies. Mom is home with them, shes not checked out, not in drugs, not watching TV and eating BonBons. I am all for this. I’m a nanny and a postpartum Doula. The relationships between the kids are typically very close without sibling rivalry that stays with them into their adulthood. Their raw skills put them ahead of the typical public school student. It’s amazing.
well it wouldn’t work because they have zero rules and are a liability
I dont understand how they think kids, used to having no rules at all, will be able to function in a society which is full of rules. Without some type of structure you will not even be able to hold down a job...
@@HelenEk7I totally agree with you but I find it interesting how now with the ever growing online economy kids brought up this way have more opportunities to make a living then say just 10+ years ago. So how before these kids would most certainly be set up for failure, now it’s not a sure thing. I still think they would benefit from some structure and discipline. It’ll just be a matter of time before we see if this experiment turns out ok or completely fails these kids.
They’re taking this to an extreme here. Yes, children need to have a degree of autonomy. They want to eat ice cream for dinner… okay, whatever. But kids also need structure and boundaries to prepare them for the real world. Education is very important and shouldn’t be neglected in the name of “happiness”
Yeah and growing kids need fruits and veggies!!
My family has totally open and flexible meals limited only by what we have in the house. (Sorry, we don't have ice cream or sweets.)
Exactly what I'm thinking
AMEN, Stella!!
Exactly. People should be more balanced, everything is currently being radicalized.
I am in therapy three days a week undoing all of the harm from growing up in a completely chaotic and unstructured home.
I’m a homeschooling mother of two. We have a very slack approach to school. However we put education and knowledge high on priority along with developing into the best, capable person we can be. We educate ourselves through experiences and books. We don’t follow a set curriculum. We learn at our own pace and my kids have room to grow and develop while pursuing their interests but all the while the building blocks of reading, writing, math … those basic knowledge skills are being taught and learned. My children have freedom but there are responsibilities that we are all required to do. I want them to be able to function in their adult lives without the mental health issues that public schools seem to provide. So while my kids have freedom to be children they are also not running around uneducated. We have values and we have rules. All set in place to make sure that we are all healthy and set up for our best future. So the idea of letting your child make all the decisions and having no guidance is absolutely ridiculous.
This isn't love; it's neglect.
It's almost abuse because they shame kids that go to school and they had to have learned that from their parents cus they all model what their parents have said. It's almost like a cult approach.
Right? It's just so lazy
No it’s love
I just don't understand how it sets them up for a career? How will they look after and feed themselves? That grandfather was so kind and caring to pay for his grandsons tuition in English..... hopefully it will be enough to get him a job.
I can't believe what I'm hearing! The older boy says he doesn't need to learn to write because he'll just speak into his phone like voice texting. 🤦♀️ Just pure laziness! I mean, what do you expect when you have parents with the same damn attitude?
I feel like sometimes people do this because they had authoritarian parents growing up and are trying to overcorrect
I knew someone like this. She sent the kids to Lutheran school for quite a few years. The kids knew absolutely nothing except God at that school. Especially the middle boy. The youngest didn’t get as much because she wasn’t going to school much yet. By the time she did they transferred to regular public school and there definitely was a large gap in knowledge. (The kids only went to public school because the money dried up and their mom and dad couldn’t afford religious school anymore.)
That mom basically planned to only raise the kids until 16 because that’s when she grew up and became an adult. Something to that effect. I think she was a foster kid when she was younger. Instead she ended up quitting when the oldest girl turned 13. About the same with the boy. That’s when the kids started living with friends. Couch surfing. That oldest child also got a felony for driving at 12 to pick up something from the gas station for her mom. Her mom told her to. She did it all the time. This time, she got caught. Except that’s of course not what the story was when cops showed up. She allowed her daughter to get a felony at 12 and lied and said the kid stole the car.
Only the youngest stayed with her mom until just about 18. Though mom dipped and moved out of state before the youngest even left high school or had her 18th birthday. Nowadays I hear the mom has returned and is living with the youngest and middle child. No, they’re not living with her. She’s living with them. Apparently the rich aunt (mom’s foster sister) and rich uncle (mom’s foster brother) are sick and tired of her and sent her back home. Both sent her packing.
The kids are doing okay. The oldest is working (no college education), I think all three of them graduated HS early. The oldest was a receptionist then she worked in a mail room. Had a baby and gave him up for adoption. (Baby is okay and happy living with his new family.) The middle child just finished mechanic school and the youngest is still in college (2nd year is finishing up I think). They just could’ve used some more help and if they had that they might not have had to raise themselves or they could’ve made less extreme mistakes. The youngest has done the best out of all of them. She’s a smart girl. Though she has some mental hang ups. She was taking anti-depressants at one point. Not sure about what she’s going through now.
Struggling with this currently. My parents were definitely strict and yet it's not like it got me anywhere, but at least I'm always discussing with my SO on what the heck to do with kids one step at a time.
@@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr Damn. I did think I could hear of a worse parent. Sure she didn't hit them or abuse them but goodness the neglect is rancid!
@@ariannasilva4462 Unfortunately she did. At least one time with the oldest daughter when the daughter was 12. She punched the girl. She wasn’t the mother that beat her kids everyday at least to my knowledge, but it wasn’t a off the table either. There was at least some going on. The boy also had learned at some point to threaten his sisters with knives. I think he’s much better now, again, they all are. They’re childhood was very chaotic though. That was the first time I realized how dangerous ultra religious families were. This family and another showed me that. Though even as a child I still had not yet realized the bigger picture of what I was seeing and experiencing.
@@FullmoonPhantom-dn2sr
So basically...no planning, no structure... rolling along with life.. as it comes
Sounds like no taking responsibility for one's own actions either....extreme immaturity
🤦🏻♀️
Finley is VERY smart for his age, everything he said is very reasonable, I would have been happy if he decided to continue going to school, his reasoning is definitely understandable but I feel like his parents should have encouraged him rather than doing the opposite.
I agree with you. Or the very least try to find alternatives for him to have some more structure than what they’re providing. Finley has some very profound thoughts, especially for someone as young as he is.
It’s a no rules/carefree household until the kids wanna do something out of the parents beliefs 🤦🏻♀️
The perfect depiction of the devouring mother and father. Raise them in a way that depend on you solely, rob them of any social maturity, but they'll never leave you, they'll never leave home. This is truly sad.
Yep! They are paralyzed for life.
Exactly. The dad talking about not liking outside influences disturbing his family unit says it all.
wow! very true!
Sounds like something Jordan Peterson would say lol
@@avapilsen One of the authors and clinical psychologist of our time. That's one of things that I learned from him, that and the oedipal complex from Dr Freud
All Children need structure, boundaries, and rules. I’m not saying be overbearing, controlling, and stern like my mother was; I’m just saying, raising them freely like this is not preparing them at all for the real world.
Yes, there is a balance to be had.
I think the right place is somewhere in the middle. Rules are important where safety, manners, and education are involved. They have to be safe, respectful of other people, and prepared for the world they'll live in when their parents are gone. Freedom is great for other things that aren't so important and letting them have fun and express themselves.
Yeah uh...do these kids have any real skills that will help them? Kids out of school have plenty to learn! Teach them to hunt, fish, climb trees, forage, find gemstones, cook, make medicine, work on cars... ANYTHING USEFUL would be nice FFS
Boundaries and rules make kids feel safe. Their brains aren’t developed enough to let them run their lives
And most children actually want that too! A child with boundaries and rules always know where they stand and have stability in their life. I’ve seen children with less structured lives subconsciously seek out structure. I don’t know- this seems crazy. Plus it’s a giant mess- the lawn never gets mowed and the houses are full of crap- I would never find peace living like that-
Finley is a gem
Finley is so sweet! I remember when I got into high school life happened you know, and I skipped all the time and thankfully graduated. Now I’m older, I truly wish I enjoyed my time at school. I wish I was present and that way I would’ve made more friends and learned more! Glad he is realizing it before it’s too late:) smart kid as he is!
"Dont care if she can't read or write as long as she's happy." She'll never be happy....almost guaranteed.
It's so sad
When they grow up - if they survive - will hate their parents for this.. also they will have problems getting friends because they behave like shit and the other parents do not want that around their own kids..
She’s happy cause she wasn’t born into an abusive family! And that’s the only thing that matters!
@@ladelnorte4707 at least teach your children how to read and write, it's not that hard to do if they want their kids to live happily. It's hard to figure many things out if u can't read or write.
@@ladelnorte4707 i don’t think their kids will be very happy when they realize the real world has rules and what you want doesn’t matter. They’ll either be homeless or some druggies on the street barely making a living. In this world, if you can’t accomplish the bare minimum of reading and writing, you’re done for.
The kids you don't want to be in the same flight for 8 hours.
eight hour? TBH, Not even one hour for me since I can imagine how noisy they are. Sure normal child can be noisy, but at least they know boundaries...
The kids I would love to spend a day with. Such energy and love for life.
@Emerald Woodlands yes, I love being around children like these. I'm actually around them quite a lot. It's not all running around and being loud. Some kids are naturally more quiet, some have an eb and flow.. And yes some are just really into running, jumping around etc. Those are the kids who will most likely go hiking or freerunning later. And yes, sitting in a small space is hard for a kid like that, but just engage with them, give them love and attention, hand them things to play with and they'll do well.
An hour! I couldn't take it for more than 10 minutes!
The kids running around the restaurant, screaming, and eating food off your plate, while mommy dearest gushes over how special they are.
What an interesting concept! I would be interested in the long term impact out of curiosity
He said "It's 22:11" and when I checked my phone it was exactly that! 😱
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As a parent this is the most disturbing documentary about parenting I have ever watched. This is definitely not home schooling, this is outright negligence in the name of freedom
“Freedom” = neglect for these people. Makes me sick watching it
This and the extreme religious family are the worst, i guess they're and opposite ways of extremely dangerous and stupid
@@pepsicola7204 The second family is really not bad. The only problem is that mum decided to not get a tutor. I love how they have set meal times and bed times.
Not to mention I started shooting guns and bow and arrows by age 5, I built my first bonfire all by myself at age 8, chopped down trees by 10, used a power washer my first time at 9, cleaned out a house that my father rented out at age 5, walked to the corner store for supplies and a treat or 2 by age 7, fixed my first clogged sink at age 7, built my own bird house from scratch at age 7, cleaned out gutters on a roof by age 14, helped build a house by 15, fixed my parents roof at 16 and baked my first treats at age 4 and was sue chef by age 10. Also I went to school every day, graduated at 17 from high school, college by 19 and played all sorts of sports and was very involved in music. I grew up with rules but a lot of freedom to be a kid and learn things that are needed to be independent and successful
@@tattedmamma_91 sounds amazing
I'm not judgmental but dang I want to see these kids in 20 years.
Prison
drugs
Still living with their parents
Addicts. They learn to only and always satisfy themselves in any way. They always want and get immediate gratification. They could have serious problems with always wanting to meet their desires right away as adults. This can result in anything like video game addicts, gluttony, drug addicts, you get the idea. I have met people whose parents pretty much let them do what ever they wanted and that was the results every time. They battle with addiction. They can't conquer any addiction without replacing it with another. It's very sad.
They'll probably be your boss.
I feel sorry for this kids. Their life will be so difficult 😢
I loved his response to what do you want to be when you grow up "I just want to be happy and free". Most of us would have responded with some kind of career. But a career should not define who we are and the type of lifestyle we want to lead. ❤
the mom was literally crying because her son was going to school. they make the kids think they're making their own decisions but Finley was indirectly peer pressured to not to go to school. so he can make his parents happy about his decision.
This made me soooo mad! The parents' comments about how they are losing them and whether he smells the same after 6 hours of school... They made damn well sure, that those kids felt that they shouldn't actually go to school even if they wanted, hypocrisy at its best.
Pray for him
@@darknlovli Definitely, I hope he doesn't struggle with his mental health as an adult. Having parents who discourage educational attainment and personal growth is psychologically damaging.
so much that! his sister too. her 7yo sister kept complaining and guilt tripping her to stay out of school. and ofc bc the mom didn’t really want them to go either so she did nothing to stop that behavior. made me so mad. watching these parents made me appreciate all the things my mom has done for me so much more.
Teaching pure manipulation. Callousness and no rules or consequences. Very sad. It's irresponsible and kind of sinister really.
"As an adult you get to choose...so why can't they" well sir that's because they're kids and they don't know what's best for themselves. The frontal lobe of your brain which is in charge of reasoning and long term planning (among other important things) doesn't fully develop until 25... allowing a child barely even 10 to make their own decisions is just terrifying.
Allowing children to make their own decisions is a part of important developmental progress. Should the two who decide to attend school against their parents beliefs be forced not to just, because adults raising them say no?
He is 31 with 7 kids, I don't think he has ever been told no.
@@Prawnstar. sure a child should be able to make certain decisions with GUIDANCE from adults that have the kid's future in mind. Keep in mind that decisions and consequences have different levels of severity. Sure a child can choose what to wear and small things like that, gaining the right to make more decisions on their own as they mature. If a kid was born knowing how to do everything for themselves then the legal age of adulthood would be 0. The second point is good tho. No, I don't think they should be forced not to attend school. Giving your child proper schooling is a law for a reason and a parent shouldn't try to talk a child out of a good decision. Imo that's just hypocritical.
Edit: i didn't mean in my original comment that children shouldn't be able to make any decisions for themselves. A simple wording mistake.
Yeah and then there are some parents who don't let you make your own desicion even when you are 18
@@airapink815, perhaps, but that’s not what this video is about.
Taking kids out of school for no solid reason is practically negligence. My parents also believed in us learning on our own but balance is key
There is a lot of negativity in these comments and wanted to add a personal positive perspective. I was brought up this way my entire schooling life apart from the one term I decided I wanted to try school and quickly came to the same conclusion as Finley did. I have dyslexia and ADHD and found early years learning extremely difficult until I figured out my own strengths and ways of learning. Now at 29 years old I have completed 2 diplomas, one bachelors degree, started 2 businesses (both of which I sold) and now work full time running events for local governments. I am extremely grateful that my parents went against everything they had been told and sacrificed everything to raise me and my brothers the way they did. I firmly believe school would have beaten me down and shattered my confidence. This lifestyle is absolutely not for everyone but for those like me, I would not have had it any other way.
My son has both adhd and dyslexia. He is 8 so he is really struggling establishing the basic fundamental aspects of reading and mathematics. Writing took us 3 years to conquer, and he's come so far. I'm a single parent so I don't have the luxury to home school, but nice to read about adults with those same challenges becoming successful adults.
@@beanj580Thank you so much for sharing, I really appreciate it. I was still really struggling with reading and writing at 8, so it sounds like he's doing amazing. Imagine being 8 and people are asking you to read a word search puzzle but you also think word searches are super boring! If you would like some advice - just make sure you are really celebrating all his strengths and interests, and make sure he knows that intelligence absolutely does not equal book smarts. Rather than teaching him to read because he needs to know how to read, teach him to read because he's interested in XYZ and wants to learn more about XYZ by reading a book about it. All that said, I am absolutely certain you are already doing an amazing job. Keep at it, he will find his rhythm and he's going to do so many amazing things ☺
The young boy that likes structure and wants to go to school has more sense than the parents. The fact that the parents aren't open to that and want a trial is odd, especially since they say they want the kids to make their own decisions. Sounds like they are actually forcing their own ideals on the kids. In fact the parents are making rules for the kids to follow even though they are saying there are no rules
Yes, and the parents made the kids feel like oddballs in the family for even wanting to go to school. The final interview with the boy, Findlay, made clear that his mom had changed his mind for him. He spoke about valuing freedom and fun, rather than learning and having friends like he had said originally.
Well said 👍
That's exactly what I thought
At least not all humans have lost their common sense thanks fam
What are y’all talking about. The boy wanted to go to school and they arranged for him to go to school 🙄
“No rules” means “anti-social.” All societies have rules. If you don’t guide your children on how to function in a family, they won’t have any idea how to function in society.
Well arent they some lazy non caring parents ..what a shame..soooo sad for the kids!!!ONE DAY THEY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO SOME AUTHORITY!!!!
Read about Cluster B and A personality disorders. If anything forcing people into heiarchies causes worse effects like the roman empire etc
That's what came to mind too
This is like the movie Home Alone but with parents present. This is heartbreaking thanks for the documentary.
My brother did this, his son is 36 and still living at home. He's got no skills, no prospects, no relationship.
It makes me mad that those parents are willingly not sending their kids to school, letting them be illiterate when kids around the world would fight to have access to school. Education is SO important, they are ruining their kids lives
This! Education is SO important nowadays and thinking that they are just saying "oh well who cares" drives me nuts! People all over the word are fighting for this basic human right!
It was also sad to see how they stay up all night. If they do that long enough they won't grow.
I think she should be teaching them herself if she’s gonna pull them out of school. The public education system is completely fucked and the fact that she actually noticed her kid was depressed was a great start. But I don’t think she should avoid education altogether
Totally agree
yeah that one kid "if i need to write I just talk it into my phone" BIG YIKES
Freedom doesn’t mean no discipline, no boundaries, no structure, no awareness, consequences, or sense of their surroundings. These kids will grow into a dysfunctional menace, and they’ll struggle immensely in our intolerant world.
Did you watch this documentary? I actually appears that they do bave freedoms but are not truly allowed to do whatever they want. It seems more like the parents have reevaluated what is really worth it and telling their kid not to spray paint on the camper wasn't worth it. There is definitely a difference between neglect and giving children freedom 🥰
@@tiffanyroth9722 like let kids play with a pickaxe? or cook rice with a baby over the stove?...
@@tuyenerotuyenero2202 or the baby playing with a knife
They're raising their kids to live in paradise, not on earth. Earth has very strict rules and timings regarding work, learning, health, and happiness. There is no happiness without discipline on earth.
Amen to that!!! So sad for these kids.
Even our culture & American society teaches we need to follow rules (the laws of the land), order, government, police, etc. It protects us from total anarchy
My daughter is 5 and reads fluently. She was never pushed but we did help her learn to read, because someone needs to teach a child to read. Now she delights in books and they've helped develop her imagination. I can't imagine books not being part of her life. There's a way to educate your kids without pushing them, and they only gain from the experience.
I could read and knew numbers before I went to school (at 5). If I remember rightly, I was probably thought a bit precocious at the time - one of those kids who always had their hand up because they knew the answer! However, I was a bright child and my mum was a good mum. I've been an avid reader ever since.
This came out in 2016 but watching after Covid, it carries a totally different meaning