WAS GOING FBO WORTH IT? BUILD BREAKDOWN | CAMARO SS
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- Build breakdown and my opinion on whether it not it’s worth going full bolt on.
2019 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE
JLT intake
Nick Williams 103 TB
Msd atomic intake manifold
Speed engineering 2” headers with mid pipe kit
MBRP mufflers
Wildhammer flex fuel kit
NGK Iridium Plugs
Tuned by Calvotuned
All driving clips filmed in Mexico on a closed course
FILMED IN MEXICO ON A CLOSED COURSE
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Thank You for sharing this and all your knowledgeable input Bro 🤙🏼
i knew this was in miami when you said calvo. Calvotuned is a great tuner!!!!
Awesome video
Very good info for anyone looking to build a fast 6th gen Camaro
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vids thanks for the description and list of all the parts on the bio
No problem 👍
I bought a 2016 ss camaro in 2016 I added cold air intake the biggest stainless I could and a large cam plus a couple odds and ends i had all done buy a great tuner stuck in about 8gs two speeding tickets later I give it to my daughter for her 50th birthday I sure miss it I kicked alot of ass great car need something fast again like a cadillac v maybe in summer 😀
Beauty of a beast👏🏼
Was tryna get my setup just how yu did it glad it would work out 2022 LT1
With exception to the TB, Intake Manifold, and CAI, (I use K&N Typhoon CAI) I have the exact same mods. Mine was tuned by Phoenix Performance Calibration. Been running on it for over 18 months no issues and at the strip. I plan to do more to the car, but just found it funny that we would be using near identical parts.
In my case:
2" SE LT (Cat Delete)
3" SE X-Pipe
K&N Typhoon CAI
Stock Suitcase for the moment until I get the axle back which will be MBRP
DIY E-85 Flex Fuel (from Wild hammer as well)
Tuned
Ran me $3500 installed. Figure you paid $1200+ for the intake Manifold + 103mm TB so that's about $1800 total. Little more expensive for me but I'm not mechanically inclined like you are so I wouldn't have been able to do my own install.
And yes, I have the NGK Plugs as well just not installed, I have to have the tranny flushed, filter changed, oil changed, intake cleaned, and the NGK plugs installed this spring. I also already picked up a pair of Nitto 555R2's for the back for this summer. :)
I am however opt'ing for the Stage 3 LT2 intake with 95mm ZR1 TB soon.
The car will be plenty fast with those mods. And installing the parts isn’t that difficult. You won’t ever learn if you don’t try.
Thanks for watching.
@@Saldalaperformance I don't have the tools for it or a garage for it sadly. :/ Also video is invalid without a 1/4 mile rip. 😁
I have a pretty similar set up to yours, but I had to pay someone to do it, when you got chronic pain. Definitely helps to have people help you. Wish I could work on my car without problems it use to be so much fun.
Sorry to hear that. But that’s what money is for! Glad you can still enjoy the car.
@@Saldalaperformance yes sir, love that LT motor. So much power its crazy to think its a pretty reasonable price
Great video brother I just subscribed to your channel.
Thanks for the sub!
@@Saldalaperformance No problem you're welcome.
Thanks a lot for this video and the input you share about the built/tune of your car. It’s exactly what I was searching for concerning a Camaro (2)SS 1LE. Because whenever I’ll be able to afford it, I also want to push the power, torque and sound “a little” while leaving it N/A. Just can't take out the cats over here in 🇩🇪, other than that I'd probably also take the MBRP.
You’re welcome. If there is anything else you are looking for, let me know!
@@Saldalaperformance - You bet I will. 😉
First right here...as I don't want my future V8 to have the cylinder deactivation feature, what would you consider to be the best application for getting rid of it? And is it true that only the A10 models have this and the M6 don't? Would be perfect because the 2SS 1LE with the Tremec 6060 would be my choice. A V8 should live as a V8 - always! 😄
All LT1 engines have the displacement on demand feature built into the valve-train. With the manual transmission, it never activates. The only way to remove it, is by buying and installing non DOD valve train. At that point you should be adding a cam or upgraded heads.
@@Saldalaperformance - 👍
@@TheShiftKnob Not sure if ur still wondering but you can buy the Range Technology AFM Disabler that plugs into your OBD port for the A10's and it will keep it in V8 mode. Runs better and the factory burble tune sounds better too. I got one for mine
man i love camaros 🔥
Great build, my next mod is headers but in my state I can't go catless. Trying to find a good tuner locally is sketchy around here.
Time to move! Lol
What state?
We have the same exhaust and headers. Only I did 1 7/8" headers. I am going LT2 intake. Not going to port either. E85 will be installed and tuned in here end of Feb. What did you dyno? I am hoping for 470 to the tire. I went with Cordes Performance Tuning. Nic D did the tuning. If you are in Arizona I recommend him!
No dyno yet. Hopefully that’s coming soon.
@@Saldalaperformance I am bet you are close to 500 hp to the tire.
I have a 2017 SS Fifty Edition and I went with CAI, LT2 intake w/ LT5 95mm TB, ported heads, stage 2 cam kit from Cam Motion, ARH 1 7/8" headers, cats, x-pipe, mid-pipes going into the stock NPP muffler. I'm looking to get an axle-back to complete the NA build. What suggestions do y'all have? I'm thinking Borla but unsure
If you want valves in your exhaust, that will limit you on your options. If you want loud, MBRP, if you want a cleaner look, where the mufflers look more hidden, corsa or the like.
Is it reliable? I wanna go FBO but only have 4k miles rn
Waiting to order 2” headers speed engineering for mine also after that I need a tb and e85 and tune. Only problem for me is I gotta have sent to Oregon because I’m in Cali. Only reason why I’m not fbo yet.
I hear you there. Good luck. It’s well worth it! Just make sure your tuner knows his stuff.
@@Saldalaperformance ya gotta go to another city like sacramento or Bay Area for that nothing in far NorCal for tuning lmao
You can do remote tuning. Something you might want to look into. A reputable company is prey performance.
I have a 17 1SS M6 and have been on the fence about fbo or save for a ZL1. What sucks is I can fbo, withiin a year, or wait a little longer an hopefully, depending on life and the car market(and the old lady),and get a ZL1. Guess I can’t go wrong with either haha
Fbo is pretty solid in my opinion. The car is fast.
@@Saldalaperformance I don’t doubt that at all. I could swear I read on camaro6 that some NA builds were no slouch vs. a ZL1. I’m looking foward to when/if I ever have this problem. Great vid tho dude, love your set up!
I know a guy with a bolt on lt1 that puts gaps on zl1s and hellcats. And he’s a manual.
If you do what this guy has done, and add a good stg 2 cam like BTR 225 you will be at or above the stock whp of a ZL1.. They make around 540-550 whp on a dyno, so does my car with BTR 225 cam, ported heads, msd, roto fab, headers & flex.. 583whp..
I really been thinking about switching from the ported LT2 and 95mm to a ported MSD and a 103
The the top end is nice with the msd. The car just wants to keep pulling where before it would fall on its face 130+
@@Saldalaperformancewith all that extra torque and hp on top it shouldn’t fall on its face at 130 mph. The fifth gear is good up to 170 mph. I m thinking going fbo and cam setup on my 22 2ss 1le with manual.
@@Saldalaperformance That's ok though Mustangs don't kick-in until then, and by that time the 1/4 mile is over. :D
Hey man
Did Calvo do any tuning with the 6 speed transmission?
Like remove any of the nannies that GM programmed in ?
There are ZERO nanny’s with the manual transmission. The only thing that I am aware of that can be tweaked in relation to it, is making the No Lift Shift more aggressive, and he desensitized my traction control a little bit at my request. Out side of that, only the 8 speed and 10 speed auto can be tuned to shift faster and harder etc. but the manual is literally manual. So no computer is going to affect how it shifts.
@Saldalaperformance
Ok good to know
I'm about to upgrade to an LT4 clutch and flywheel
Hope i can make this car last another 4-5 years
You and me both brother lol. So far no hiccups with the car or tune and I beat the brakes off this car.
My question is did u install all the parts and then get it tuned or after each piece did u have to get it tuned? and how much power are u pushing with the fbo?
I put all the parts on the car and drove it untuned to my tuner. Should be okay if you drive like an old man. Just keep the revs under 2k and baby it. Drove it 30 min no problem and I’ve been beating the brakes off this car ever since. No issues.
Car makes 490whp/ 496wtq
490 rwhp is awesome man
Hell of a build
Gonna be reliable for 200k miles bro
Can't beat bolt ons and E85 mixed in
Consistent, reliable and not going to break drivetrain
Did you use 1 step colder spark plugs?
In my car I did 1 step colder NGK iridium and it’s working beautifully, but to be honest som of misfiring when I start it cold start in cold weather under 0C/32F (winter)
My car run with benzine not E85
I went with a direct replacement. So the same heat range. My tuner suggested going one step colder to be on the safer side, considering I only use this car to beat on it. But when I fixed the spark plug issue, I couldn’t find the colder plug readily available at my local stores.
@@Saldalaperformance
I recommend to go 1 step colder, Too much safer and huge gain in the high end. The thing is: Get rid of (Knock), and that’s the thing that kills the power in the high end (+5k rpm).
It looks like you live in warm climate, so 1 step spark colder well be very good.
I use ( NGK LTR6IX-11 6509 ).
- the problem with the original (heat range sparks) is: The engine will suffer from knock.
BTW: Note that some of the knock is not real it’s happening between gears shift.
Be sure 100% you don’t have real Knock in your engine/tune or you will destroy cylinder wall.
Good Luck
My car isn’t detonating. The car has good AFRs and the knock sensor isn’t showing anything. On top of everything, there are safety parameters set in place to prevent a catastrophic error.
@@Saldalaperformance
How much timing have the car on (6400rpm/1g cylinder air mass) on high octane table? If you have the tune file near your hand.
Thanks
I don’t know the exact numbers. I don’t have my tune file on hand like that. I’ll get back to you if it comes up.
I removed the engine mounts one at a time and went from the top to install the headers....there are benefits to being a professional mechanic.😅
That works too. Nice job
So 2 inch headers are better for top end??
2” Headers are better all around. Multiple dyno graphs prove that.
Bro how does the headers sound with the MBRP Axleback in person? Does it get to obnoxious? Or is it a good nice race car deep sound?
The car sounds absolutely insane in person. Nothing but compliments.
Inside the car during part throttle cruising it’s very quiet. As soon as you’re on the throttle, it’s LOUD.
@@Saldalaperformance and that’s MBRP axle back with resonators no cats?
2” speed engineering headers with the mid pipes (x pipe) connected directly to the mufflers. The MBRP muffler has j pipes connected to them but there are no “resonators” or “cats”.
@@Saldalaperformance I have a MBRP Axleback with resonators will it sound similar to yours?
@@Saldalaperformance do you have a full 3" inch exhaust from mbrp? I have a lt1 just ordered 1 7/8 headers with full 3" exhaust...but I also already have a mbrp axle back exhaust that's 3" in diameter. Trying To figure out how I'm going to connect my pipes together
You can add the 2 inch headers without porting with the default engine?
The 2” headers makes more power vs the 1 7/8” at any rpm. The 2” headers won’t require any modifications to the flow of the internal engine.
@@Saldalaperformance nice, I thought I heard the 2 needed engines updates. Thanks man. I’ll get the 2 for sure
If you specifically go with speed engineering headers, the 2” have better fitment than the 1 7/8”
Where did you get the car tuned?
Calvotuned. Look him up on Instagram. He tunes all GM vehicles.
That’s dope man I want to have a similar set up but I was told using that Air Force manifold is pointless with out a camshaft upgrade. What was your baseline before the FBO ?
Didn’t baseline it before. But the air force is definetly an upgrade. The high ram is not worth it unless you cam in my opinion but the msd atomic without porting it is a good intake manifold and it looks sick.
@@Saldalaperformance thank you so much you got a new subscriber bro !
@@Saldalaperformance you mention you removed cats are those from the headers or the resonator? Sorry I have so many questions man lol
Both primary and secondary cats have been removed.
@@Saldalaperformance your a thug bro 💯 I bet start up is vicious. So you mentioned you had wraps are those worth it ? I want to ceramic coat my headers and my xpipe . I also have NGK spark plugs heat range 6 , which range did you go ?
So just checking ….FBO is going to be a term we use now on a regular basis ?
Assuming your car is “full bolt on”. Kind of confused on what you’re asking tbh.
@@Saldalaperformance
Kind of a rhetorical question
Been on the auto industry along time and FBO as an auto term was new to me, but that’s why I still do it…learning all the time.
Nice build good video 👍
I’m undecided what direction I will go will on the 2022 1LE I got last year
What are the numbers that this makes?
490whp/ 496 wtq
I seen people with fbo Camaros running a 10.5 60-130, I would be embarrassed, stock I did 10.79
I ran a 9.3, where an lt1 Camaro weighing 300-400lbs lighter will run low 8s fbo and manual. DA and weather are a huge factor and people not taking off in the right gear etc.
10 speed vs 6 speed manual is also dramatically different.
So you running 9’s in the 1/4?
No. Never tried the quarter mile yet but I’m sure its high 10s low 11s.
Is your msd manifold ported ?
No. Not ported. Car made 490whp / 496 wtq
Brother I live in Florida. Who do your tuning?
Calvotuned. Best GM tuner in south Florida. Look him up on Instagram.
@@Saldalaperformance thank you brother. I appreciate that. I’m new to the Camaro world and new to your channel.
If you want more top end should have ran btr trinity or hi ram msd is better to get off the line faster
I track and autocross the car. The msd opens the top end up while retaining good low and mid range which is vital for coming out of corners
What’s the whp you’re making now?
No dyno yet. That video is coming soon. I’m looking to probably be between 480-500whp on E85.
How much horsepower are you rocking with these mods?
490 whp / 496wtq.
Does it drone?
It’s not bad. At highway cruising you don’t have drone.
What's the final HP ?
No dyno yet. Estimating 480-500whp
have you upgraded your fuel pump?
Stock 1LE’s already come with the low side fuel pump out of the zl1. I think stock we are good to about 650whp or so on stock fuel system.
@@Saldalaperformance is it the same on a lt1? i don’t think it has the same as the 1le
@@alejandromunguia273 only the 1le or the zl1 have that pump. The lt1 shares the same as the SS.
@@Saldalaperformance ahh okay does that handle about the same amount wheel as the zl1 and 1le?
What’re you making wheel HP?
480-500. Need to dyno the car still but that’s the estimate.
@@Saldalaperformance I made 496 wheel with headers,LT2, xpipe, and K&N drop in filter. Went to lashway tuning. I was gonna go to calvo but didnt work out with my schedule. Absolute factory freak
Solid. We should run it one day for a comparison
@@Saldalaperformance Should be close, I wanna go on E and get a roto fab soon hopefully
header install cracked the spark plug most likely
Oh yeah for sure. I cracked them again swapping out the header gaskets lol. Live and you learn.
I have a question and would love anybody to input a answer. I found a 2016 2ss for 28k. It has 1 7/8 headers, ported manifold and it’s on e85 making 500rwhp BUT it has 92k miles. Is that a dealbreaker for y’all or would I be ok looking at higher mileage for these cars
92k is high in my opinion for such a new sports car. You need to be more clear about the mods. I made 490whp with all the mods in this video. If you have that amount of power with only headers, ethanol, and a ported intake manifold, that means that was a happy dyno or that tune is way spicier than you want it to be.
Estimated hp increase?
90-100whp
Really good but what would it be without Ethanol?
70ish whp gain.
Wait til you drop a cam and do heads.
Nitrous first
Nice set up but why does people always say FBO without a cam ???
Texas racing
FBO IS
HEADS
CAM
INTAKE
INTAKE MANIFOLD
FULL exhaust
A cam and or heads isn’t a “bolt on” part. That’s an internal component. You would refer to a car with a cam or heads as a “cam car” or a “heads/cam” or even in some cases “h/c” in some videos, which stands for heads cam.
Full bolt on usually refers to intake, throttle body, manifolds, exhaust. In my case I also have a fuel mod and a tune.
@@Saldalaperformance it’s debatable 😴😴i been through this a million times its just where your from nice set up bro !!
full bolt on's is parts that just bolt up not having to tear into the block
@@bradgreen9225 it’s debatable bro 😂😂
@THE BLACK AMERICAN tell that to all the imports FBO is a term we all use for simple bolts ons nothing inside the motor
Cam Next?
Nitrous next. Car is quick. Stock 1LE fuel system will allow me to run a 150-200 shot on e85 without upgrading. I’ve always liked the idea of power on demand.
@@Saldalaperformance you daily it?
No, I have a 2015 Ram sport as my daily. This is just the weekend warrior.
@@Saldalaperformance sounds like a corvette owner? Why you don’t wanna put a lot of miles on the build?
I’ve put about 6k mikes on the current setup. But I work construction. Doesn’t make sense for me to daily it.
Forged wheels. Get those next. And watch howbthe car responds.
Aren’t the stock ones forged?
I could definitely benefit from a lighter 305 square setup.
@@Saldalaperformance unsure about the Camaro. But my Stingray did not come with forged wheels. 19/20 in. 29 lbs each up front. 33 lbs each in the back. My new wheels are 20 lbs up front and 21 lbs in the back. Lauches are quicker. Corners are much more grippy.
Yeah the wheel setup is definitely heavy but they look really nice. Not sure what I’ll do in the future but I think one rear wheel and tire combo is roughly 55lbs. I could be wrong tho.
@@Saldalaperformance right on. Those wheels you have look really nice on that car.
Almost* fbo
It is full bolt on.
There is nothing more you can do that is “bolt on”. Everything else is either internals, or forced induction.
Bolt on some forged wheels. You'll drop more than 10lbs of rotating mass of unsprung weight at each wheel. All aspects of sporty driving will improve. Pricey but it will set your car apart from the others, especially at the track.
If it’s stick shift yes worth it, if it’s automatic no point when the car is basically driving itself and let’s be honest boring lol
I hear you and I feel the exact same way.
To me a manual will always be a real drivers car but the autos make dreams a reality for some who don’t have the physical ability to drive a manual.
Everyone is different, some people like automatic cars especially that A10 on those Camaro are awesome. For a daily driver in a city auto is a must. Stick is cool but if you daily you will soon not enjoy your drives.
@@josels1292 sorry I get you but automatic just isn’t for me, to me it’s boring and not very unique I mean my niece can drive automatic, stick shift at least not everyone knows how to drive and that’s a big plus in my book.
@@josels1292 especially let’s say when someone is trying to steal my car it’s an 80% chance they not even gonna know what to do 😅 they just gona look dumb the whole time trying to even turn it on hahah
Not everyone wants a manual and this is coming from someone that knows how to drive both