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Troubleshooting The Game Over Relay On A Bally FREEDOM EM Pinball Machine HUGE Schematics
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2021
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Hi Ronnie. ... You are the Sherlock Holmes of pinball repair. ... really interesting as usual. Thanks.
Thank you Mark i'm glad you enjoyed it!
Great info! I recently bought my first machine, a 1975 Bally Air Aces - close enough E/M machine to this machine. I also found a schematic and am learning how to keep my new toy working. This video was a big help for this first timer. THANKS!
Finally the days are getting short and I can start watching y'all more. Been too dang busy to be able to give y'all the viewing that you deserve.
Thank you Steve that's very nice of you to say :)
I could listen to you all day Ron, love that explanation on that apron light, often wondered why that was there? Gamblings wrong, bore brushes, brilliant!
The world is backwards sometimes oh well I get by :) Thanks for watching Simon!
What a crazy complex game! It was nice to see you explain everything but what I really watch for are your stories and 'yarns'. More please!
Thank you brooknet that's very nice of you to say, I appreciate you hanging out with us and enjoying it as much as we do.
Obscure Don Lapre reference!
He was a conman but he also was very inspirational I learned a lot from that guy. His general point that you find something that works then repeat it everywhere was 20 years ahead of it's time.... That's how all marketing works now, lol He basically said you put a tiny classified ad in the paper and when you get one that works, put it in every paper in the country. That applies to a lot of things actually, it's an interesting concept.
Very nice find on the switch problem Ron. You got it first go... WELL DONE!!! 10/10
Thank you Dero that's very nice of you to say
Keep up the awesome repair videos there! I always enjoy watching the progress of fixing an arcade or pinball machine that needs some TLC to play again.
Always nice to see you solve these problems. I'm always amazed when people can do this kind of diagnostic work without schematics. This stuff is going to wear out over time so it's nice to see people keeping these machines alive and making them work as they should.
We can fix 'em.... and with these videos other people can learn to fix them too :) Thank you for watching as always viscountalpha!!!!
That you can track it back and correct it with a file and deft touch is what I find beautiful about EMs. Thanks dude.
Yeah I like that they're well built and well designed really if you think about it. That the things still work with a little help is a testament to the quality they were built with!
These problems look like so much fun to troubleshoot. Just make sure you have a good test light...
You make it look easy😃. Awesome!
Groovy baby
I like it :)
Freedom was the first pinball machine I ever played, got me hooked on pinball!
Cool video! To think of it, that ONE tiny switch ruins playability of EM machine is incredible.
Yeah it's pretty amazing really. Once they're adjusted well though usually they sit there and purr. Thanks for watching Petri!
22:09 I saw that Star Trek over there during one of the Pole Position videos. Still tuned for that "coming soon"! ;)
Great video as always. And as always teasing us with that knight rider off to the side. Lol have a great weekend guys.
Another successful mission. I loved to see your patience payoff .looking forward to your next project
Thank you Cal, we have many more coming, in December we're going to have a video every day, it's going to be a super packed month of arcade repairs :)
"Some male ones are longer!!" Now that statement made my day! 😂😂😂Thanks Ron.
Great video Ron. I love when you do schematics.
Thanks for watching Hopper!
If I had one of these I'd add a hidden switch that when I pressed it the machine would react like I added a coin. This would keep as much of the machine original as possible. No sabotage required.
Some people do it that way!
On arcade machines I often connect the coin reject button mechanism to the coin switch with a wire (which is mechanically only). It's a reversible nonintrusive mod and I don't even have to drill a hole in the case.
It's pretty easy to just open the coin door to do that as well. It's all about personal preference. Adding a switch means taking away from original as you add a switch. Bending a switch keeps it 100% original. If you want it back to normal, you just adjust the switch. Depends what you want :)
@@EsotericArctos it's in a room that's open to the public. Open coin doors are a no-go in that area and inserting a wire in the mechanism to link the reject button to the switch also keeps it original.
Nice work man!
Thanks for watching William!
Still amazing to see what they did with just relays. I remember working on my EM (actually a Freedom) and I ended up photo copying the schematic on a bunch of 11x17" pages so I could make notes and not mess up the original...went all the way across the table and then some.
Don't forget to drop all the drop targets to see if the 'Special Lights' turns on...
Always enjoyed playing Freedom, can be rather fast at times.
These ballys by this time were NICE
save it :) Looking forward to the video waiting for my windows 11 update thank you as always gents.
Ahhh, Windows 11 is coming out? I wonder what new spyware they've been working on the last 5 years to better monetize us with :) Thanks for watching Peter!
Would a pipe cleaner do a similar job to the bore brush?
Not sure if they would be aggressive enough.
One tiny switch - Like a computer, if the "reset" line doesn't work, the whole game doesn't work. The game over relay is kind of like that reset line. :)
Did you end up working on the chime box? The didn't seem to have a nice ring to them in your test.
Yup it's basically the same thing, I'll bet they make pipe cleaners that are different stiffnesses....
You draw better than I do. 👍
Pew pew pew! 😋
Thanks for watching orcmansoso!
man how you read those schematics is beyond me!
Relay ladder logic.
Notice one leg of the coil is connected to the common.
The coil energizes when all those switchs in series with the 50vac close.
Thank you for watching Allan!
@@LyonsArcade Thanks for posting the video I don't have the patience myself.
This machine has nothing actually broken, but one or two dirty switches can bring it to a non-functional state. It really shows that EM requires a lot of care and maintenance to remain in good working order.
Really they don’t require a lot of maintenance. Once you have it set right all you need to do is play them regularly….the switches rub and keep themselves clean. It’s only if you let them sit for months without playing them that the connections oxidise/dirty. They are very reliable.
@@davidg-m1768 Thank you for your clarifying comments, and I am very sorry if I led anyone to believe that EM games are in general very difficult to operate and maintain. In fact, many EM games are working fine after 40 years, with just occasional cleaning, as demonstrated may times on this channel. I was not intending to disparage EM games, or the great work that has been shown in these videos to restore the games to excellent condition, ready for a new generation of players to enjoy.
@@w00tDr All good - I only clarified so that anyone considering an EM wasn't put off buying one. They look intimidating but once you get the process they are actually fairly simple beasts and a lot of fun.
So when you said make small adjustment to the relay what were you referring to? I'm confused at to what the fix was?
Hey are you Nathan from "Nathans MRE" channel ??? The two of you sound EXACTLY alike !! Its absolutely uncanny. Please go take a listen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not Nathan but I just went and listened to him, yes he does sound very similar to me. I wonder if he's in North Carolina like I am. I'd say that's definitely a Carolina's accent. I was born in West Virginia, lived in California as a kid, and then moved back to West Virginia and have been in the Carolinas for 30 years now. I'll bet he's from the Carolinas.
@16:29 a metalised pipe cleaner :P
16:13 .. LOL
They're making it hard on a country boy out here
@@LyonsArcade crazy that you can't even say the word without the threat of being demonetized. Neat content though, keep up the good work!
Why and when (1960's?) did manufacturers start using the fake zero??
I believe it was sometime in the late 60's yes... it's just to make the score look bigger, lol. You scored 532 points? That's nothing! I scored 5320 points!!!!
Yodelayheehoo
Hello Lil Everette!!!
None of my lights come on on the back panel scores reset game starts just lights on back panal
wiggle the connectors in the head from the body and see if they pop on.
There is a 455 Bulb missing on Relay next to Lock Relay
It'll be o.k. we'll put one in there
Why don't you replace the internals with some modern Arduino stuff and simply keep the case and other visual parts?
Why in the world would you do that? There's like 40 switches, 50 lights, 10 or 12 coils it'd be a nightmare to try to program that. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. Thank you for watching thecriss88!
JOES CLASSIC, I'm very confused about when you first power up the pinball machine it turns on the lock relay, then it turns on the game over relay, then turns on the delay relay. I thought the Delay relay would only turn on ONLY if you Tilted the game, which I'm not sure why would turning on the pinball game that it goes through a start up sequence of Lock relay, Game Over Relay, Delay Relay. It just seems weird to have the delay relay involved. What is very confusing is the EM schematics are showing all the relay contact switches normally open and normally closed ONLY at the score motors HOME position, which needs to be emphasized. The Schematic is only telling you when the score motor is at HOME position this is the reference of all the relay contacts normally open and normally closed.
I think the game over relay comes on first, that's probably what triggers the delay relay, which then triggers the lock relay. Or, the lock relay starts out off, that triggers the game over relay, then the lock relay just triggers after. I was unclear on that. In that case, the delay relay does some other stuff after the game over relay triggers. Which is, probably, to turn on a lot of stuff.
@@techrev9999 It seems that the DELAY Relay is resetting the tilt switches but I had no idea it was in the CLOSED loop with the lock relay and game over relay, just seems weird to me it is.
@@waynegram8907 Yeah, the delay relay is in a closed loop with the game over relay. I got that much, I couldn't remember what it did. When the power goes on, the lock relay is closing the switch to the game over relay, so the game over relay gets power, and kicks in. Then, because power is going to the lock relay, the lock relay kicks in. There's a slight delay in there, just with how the relay and switch works.
@@techrev9999 The lock relay is stays on throughout the whole game, the game over relay and the delay relay are in a Sub Closed Loop because the game relay won't turn off until the delay relay is turned off/open contact switch. There should be no start up time delay interval with the lock relay because that supplies the power to everything. The game over relay and the delay relay can turn OFF the lock relay. The Lock Relay, Game Over Relay, Delay Relay are in a CLOSE LOOP system.
@@waynegram8907 No, when you turn the game off, the lock relay shuts off. During power up, for a short time, the lock relay is off and power gets through to the game over relay. Then the lock relay turns on. Watch the video, he explains it many times, and shows it happening.
Merica.
"kicked off youtube again"????
Not yet!
@@LyonsArcade Not trying hard enough? Have a good weekend.