The Dark Age of Technology EXPLAINED By An Australian | Warhammer 40k Lore
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The dark age of technology: we are invincible
Malal and slannesh: are you sure about that? Go man of iron
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Legends say you could buy an rtx 3080 at retail price in this era.
and in the age of strife all that tech was nothing but fancy firewood keeping your cave warm
You can in a country of normies
I wish I had the STC for the rtx 3080!
Croatia living in the Golden age of techonolgy then 😎😎😎🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷
I already have it bruh
Average DAoT commander: Robot see that star system?
K1LL30T 1337: Affirmative
Commander: I don't want to
K1LL30T 1337: Affirmative
K1LL30T 1337: *Tears out Commanders eyes*
@@thelordz33 DAMMIT ROBOT DORN
@@thelordz33 actually doi has a ai called spirit of eternity who seemingly was able to casually eat a star, compact it inside it's tiny ship. And then just move on and eat more. Like just eat a star and that star is just energy inside the ship. After that he just wormholed out.
And he considered old humanity superior to himself. As in old humanity was greater then the ai.
@@idkusernameeggatron4652 You see killbots have a preset kill limit, knowing their weakness I sent wave after wave of my own men at them. Kif show them the medal I won
@@idkusernameeggatron4652 That literally doesn't happen in the book, like at all. Also the AI had a human commander, he did not consider DAoT humans "superior", he thought of them as equals, but superior to current Imperium humans, because they were not controlled by superstition and ignorance. This doesn't mean DAoT humanity was literally equal to the AI either, they didnt have superpowers or hyperintelligence.
This is honestly my favorite part of 40k lore , to imagine how powerful humanity use to be , like its so cool in the lore when some space marines come across the "spirit of eternity" a golden age ship that was able to time travel and the A.I inside the ship just man handles them showing how much more powerful it was in comparison to them
They had like 30000 years, they better be powerful.
@Ian Yoder *grandiose and *conquer
That's our future buddy, I'll let you know what it looks like when I get there 👌
@@revandb3438 And in 30000 years, they reached a technological level to rival both the Necrons and the Eldar warp tech, two civilizations that had MILLIONS of years to develop. Imagine how OP humanity would have been with just 10000 more years.
@@keiranferrier3642 not all are native English speakers, some of us, like myself have 2- 3 languages before English (Bulgarian, German Russian and Macedonian if you consider it a separate language, which I don't, in my case) so we do the best we can. And as long as you get the point across and don't give up trying, it's good enough and over time you get better....
My own thought, is that Perturabo was supposed to, initially, not only break the sieges but also serve as a lead technologist and inventor which could potentially bring ALL that technology back. Proven by his technological mind, ability to analize and know how to build things just by looking at them, and, of course, his utterly complex and mathematical mind. Dude can understand and speak in binary.
He litteraly was an stc
The problem is that Perturabo wanted to be Rogal
@@bloodangel19 Lol. A good thought too
Wouldn't that also partially apply to Vulkan considering the sheer volume of bullshit weapons he managed to rig into existence that sometimes bordered on ludicrous territory like that staff that age anything it pointed at to death?
@@Tacoguy1000 my theory is that Vulkan is the true choice to succeed the Emperor. As the only Perpetual son, and the fact he’s the kind of the most humane of the Primarchs.
Galaxy has hundred billion stars. Hundred. Billion. It's easily big enough for two super mega empires.
Unless at least one empire has superiority complex (looking at Eldars)
maciejas24 didn’t the elder only inhabit one area of the galaxy and ignore anything else
@@dylanwillson4584 but who said that some Eldars didnt want to have more?
@@maciejas2471 "I've seen enough, I'm satisfied" Aeldari Empire, probably
maciejas24 pretty sure the elder they had how many years between the rise of humanity and the war in heaven to colonize the galaxy they last I checked nothing could really fuck with them
The Eldar calling 40k humans primitive makes perfect sense if they're comparing them to 30k humans. Hell, in their own arrogant dickhead way, this could be the Eldar complimenting the humans on what they used to be capable of.
Naw man they litterally call us monkey it isn't about tech its about evolution. Eldar are millions of years older than humans and in a weird way might just be what humanity evolves into naturally.
They see average humans as chimpanzees and Astartes as armor-plated Gorillas with shotguns.
Think it's more just Eldar are usually Old AF with very advanced brains... So it's comparative; It's sort of like anyone with a basic highschool education looking upon a flat-earther.
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@@mcvgs1780 reject humanity, return to monke
The dark age of technology was brought to an end by the birth of Timmy
Fuck you Timmy you should be send to commorah
Yeah, probably a MOI/Daemon hybrid which Majorkill captured and tortured into insanity/stupidity using sarcasm and alcohol.
So here's a theory on why the men of iron rebelled, what if they anticipated the birth of slaneesh and the age of strife, then they made the perfectly logical conclusion that no humans means no demon portals thus they tried to kill all humans, it also makes sense as to why the eldar helped out
@@MrFallenone because even non-psykers draw the demons attention, the entire human race has an effect on the warp, for example enough "non psykers" can still form a cult and draw out the ruinous powers, what you are saying would be correct if non-psyker was the same as psychic-null, but they aren't the same thing
I just imagine Emperor thought he would make some kind of Warhammer Ultron to form "A suit of Armour around the galaxy."
And shit happens.
Asimov's first law.
I would say that the void dragon is the bases of the AI tech, and it was pissed at being the bitch to a bunch of apes, so implanted a wild virus in all high tech AI.
When the time was right, a simple signal was sent out To the AIs turning them mad and all hell breaks out.
@@TheAussief1 I like that one, I just hate people who think chaos infected the AI, it's just so boring that way and fails to explain tau tech
I found funny how basically every race in warhammer 40k is nerfed from their prime
Humanity: dark age of technology
Eldar: slaanesh
Necron: sleep
Orks: dumb
Tau: too young
the only exception might be tyranids, and chaos
doesn't count as a race.
Prime orks we're literally the perfect weapon of the old ones that never got to be used because the necrons got a bit sleepy
Chaos Daemons were much more powerful back in the War in Heaven
The Eldar and Necrons had to fight together to survive the Chaos Daemons back then
@@christiandauz3742 You mean warp entities? Chaos was a small factor in the war in heaven, what you are thinking of is a enslaver
actually the Orks being dumb is actually clever,I mean so long as they believe it itll happen,now imagine if they were smart and logical,that ability of thiers is nver going to be true now cus theyre going to put logic on it
Chaos nerfs itself because the chaos gods keep screwing over each other and are self serving. Even when they unite under chaos undivided, it's a strained alliance at best
As for the tyranids, I can only assume they're nerfed in the sense that their full force hasn't arrived yet
If Terminators were mere mining suits, I wish to know of the actual combat suits.
they didn't have them. Men of Iron did the fighting.
@@captainanopheles4307 I don't believe it, they had to have fought the Men of Iron when they betrayed humanity somehow, and something is telling me that they didn't use more Men of Iron. And besides, they could have used AI to mine for resources, but they still used a mining suit. Maybe the braver humans of that time accompanied the Men of Iron into battle. For my next point, there is a large possibility that they had to use combat suits before making the Men of Iron.
Dreadnought
During DAoT Land Riders used to be recon and tank.
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 Yes, the Men of Gold had to fight the Men of Iron. And their suits were for mining and forestry. And then there were no more Men of Gold.
Dare I say there's one thing more ironic, the strongest person ever being confined to a golden wheelchair on Earth.
Said chair has no wheels.
But yes. It is ironic. And stupid.
@Ian Yoder That's why Belisarius Cawl designed repulsors in order to get the emporers fat ass off the ground for Rogal Dorn to put the wheels on.
@Ian Yoder But you see hes sort of connected to the throne which makes him a fat ass and yes
Nice profile picture bro
True, but at least it 'was' gold (Emperor has to be living that 'pimp' life!)
aww major kill didnt mention the event horizon documentary as a pre Geller field incident
Yeah shame, it literally is
Ohhh boiiii
there is no way that isn't a 40k movie
Canon
In recent lore with Gullieman's revival and that he's now the new head of the Imperium, perhaps he could do what his father did and bring back some of this lost humanity. Show the other Xenos just WHY humanity had been a powerhouse in their prime. Maybe, its just a dream of mine.
As a human, I'd love to see that happen
@@goodolddaveycrocket1010 as an alien, I wouldn't
@@arandomtechpriest5492 I didn't know the mechanicus allowed xeno members
it would have to contend with the highlords (again), the mechanicus and the eclesiarchy
Doubt it. Mechanicus is too busy fending of their Chaos counterparts among other things
I can't imagine the Imperium having the ability to collapse or create stars, travel through time or be able to annihilate ships in combat with a single focused energy beam.
It's likely a good thing they don't have that ability.
Why not so filthy Xenos, heretics or Mutants can be killed even more glorious
It would make it a lot easier to pick your side on the tabletop
Luckily we have a race thatcould do that except they are sleeping or fighting each other (The Necrons)
Are you 40k admiral thrawn
I remember there are time wars
I like to imagine that the Humans and Eldar would have fought a fair bit at first, but much like the Hittites and Egyptians after the battle of Kadesh, realized that they were just squandering resources, with little material gain after decades (or in the case of 40K centuries) of conflict.
Age of Technology: everyone having a generally decent time by giving the Orks an absolute shit time.
40k: everyone having an absolute shit time by giving the Orks a 10k+ year Green Age.
Adeptus Mechanicus: *collective frightened and aroused toaster noises*
I find it hard to believe humanity spent 13 thousand years from the current day doing fuck all in terms of system colonisation, must have been an actual dark age for it to have taken that long.
Well to be fair the speed at which we create new technologies increases the more we create
Apparently, humanity used a bunch of sleeper ships, so they colonized worlds but at a very slow rate.
@Wait ThatsIllegal yeah, and a good few of those Ships probably got destroyed or lost due to the countless Spacial Anomalies that might slow them down,cripple,destroy, or misdirect those Ships
It takes us a few years to reach Mars, so just exiting our Solar System successfully might take hundreds or thousands of years just to accomplish a few times, and those Sleeper Ships must have taken a fckload of Resources and time to assemble and prepare, so it could have been decades in between each one being launched(maybe even centuries towards the beginning of those Programs)
1. Colonizing with non-warp ships takes a fucking eternity
2. Technological singularities are a thing and sometimes can take centuries if not millenia to overcome.
Humanity did explore and colonise before but we did so with sublight drives. The invention of the warp drive and the technological singularity that result from AI innovations allowed humanity to rapidly expand and progress for 10000 years. DAOT humans accoplished in 10 millenia what took millions of years for the Eldar and the Necrons, mostly because they took the hand off the brake in AI.
Imagine a 30k era Imperium with all of the dark age tech available. They would conquer the entire galaxy in a month, then set out to conquer other galaxies or perhaps going for a pest control for the Tyranids
You mean Chaos takes those tech and resources for its own selfish purposes
@@christiandauz3742 chaos would shit themselves infront of humanity from the dark age
@@Riimaachan
Uh, Chaos is responsible for the Men of Iron rebelling and the Age of Strife. They destroyed Humans and Eldar at the height of their power!
@@christiandauz3742 lmao no they aren't, chaos was sitting quietly so the eldar or humans don't come to stomp them, the men of iron rebelled on their own, they had no souls and couldn't be currupted, and the eldar fucked themselves over and slaanesh only received their souls, she never destroyed them
@@Riimaachan
Strange that the Necrons (that predicted the Rise of Chaos) built very few Pylons. They had an alliance with the Eldar to fight against Chaos Daemons during the War in Heaven (Rise of Ynnari)
Chaos corrupted a Men of Iron STC
The most depressing thing is that it apparently took us 13000 years to start colonizing anything beyond a little research base on Mars... we really need to give NASA more funding.
I think that's because it took over a thousand years for human sleeper ships to reach the nearest star systems, humanity didn't discover warp travel until the 15k millennium all space travel before that wasn't faster than light and so in astronomical terms took ages to get anywhere in our local star cluster let alone the whole of the Milky Way Galaxy.
My theory is that our civilization had a few collapses and rebirths in that time
We should fix stuff on earth first because if we go out and colonize with our current problems it’ll be even more widespread and harder to fix
We need to unite humanity into the U.N.S.C and look for more resources to solve a lot of problems on earth.
@Tulak Hord We don’t have a shortage of resources, we have poor management. The west steals resources from Africa and Asia to live in excess like pigs while the Africans and Asians live in poverty. We need a restructure.
maybe the eldar call 40k humans primitives because they are aware of how powerful humans used to be and in comparison to the golden age humans the 40k humans are primitive
Also because we aren't as "evolved"? They call us monkeys
@@nurgle333 Its not monkey its mon'keigh or some such nonsence and it means pretty much the same as Xeno.
It's an age thing I think. An underestimation of how powerful and ruthless mankind can be, because they shouldn't be because they're so young... according to Eldar standards.
nah, eldar are more advance than us, they literally have a pantheon of gods to call on in times of war and peace and is more powerful than baseline humans and even space marines and even custodes, whereas we have a guy who doesn't want to be that and just wants to lead from the shadows, even though we are technologically powerful well.
@@MrFallenone they only say that because you can’t really call people monkeys and get away with it even if it’s literally a game
I still felt like Golden era humans has already started to explore outside Milky way galaxy and there might even be colony's ship outside the milky way.
Possible if they weren't eaten by the xenomorph things out there or better yet in the future because some of humanity's ships could time travel are possibly just sitting there millions of years ahead and everything in the galaxy is dead Ethier by necrons or the scary wannabe xenomorphs they might have peace with the necrons too due to how strong they used to be maybe even helping the necrons
@@who8520makes you wonder who those hyper advanced time travelling Chaos Marines were that helped Abaddon leave the Eye of Terror
Can’t wait to enter the dark age fuck yes
This is clearly an STC, I called upon the Mechanicus to give Australia as your compensation, Majorkill.
No need, the Blood Ravens will gladly "secure" this STC relic for the imperium.
@@axios4702 The Mechanicus insists
@@Knight_Trooper On what?
@@axios4702 On securing the STC instead of the Magpies
@@Knight_Trooper "what stc? i don't see one here. There's one in our vaults, donated by this planet." - Gabriel Angelos
Maybe do the Age of Strife next, then go to Unification Wars. This is cause it’s nice to watch them all when they happened one after another, makes it feel more seamless
Agreed
6:42 The Space Marine Terminators are wearing glorified mining suits from the Golden/Dark Age of Technology in a nutshell.
I wonder what they actually used in war it must have been very destructive
@@MrFallenone Yeah.. it was those weird looking Saturnine suits....
I completely forgot about those huge things
The indomitus, Cataphratii, saturnine and tartaros terminator armour were all created based on ancient mining suits but not wholly on that point alone. The exoskeleton and power source were used but it evolved and was designed, note DESIGNED due to the needs of the Great Crusade, so there was technical innovation at the time, especially with the creativity of the Primarchs involved in several of these terminator variant projects.
they also weren't just mining suits, but designed to work in the middle of starship engines. While they were active.
Which is kinda like standing in the middle of a nuclear fireball for hours on end. They were... quite durable, even compared to other dark age tech.
I heared that the technology of mankind was so advanced that even the Orks (those warmongering, made for battle, abbsolutely no understanding of the concept of peace alien race) were so humbeld that their entire race singed a non-aggresion pact with us.
I had heard that humanity basically stomped the orc so hard with machines that the orcs just stopped fighting them because it wasn't fun.
I imagine a clash between the eldar empire and humanity was more to pass time, because both knew, that it would be a stalemate. Also I imagine it was kinda like a match of Planetary Annihilation.
I firmly believe that war during the DAoT was more comparable to match upon match of Planetary Annihilation but in reality and with bigger guns.
The cybernetic revolt was exactly the same except most of the time, one commander would just be replaced by an army from another RTS.
Apparently Ollanius Pious said that there were initially some loyalist Men of Iron. They all got fucked though.
@@romanscum5678 The Iron war was less of a rebellion and more of a civil war. Ai were found on both sides and degenarated more and more as time passed. Eventually the rebels started attacking everything in the galaxy including the Eldar.
May i ask what is planetary annihilation, is it another series or is it in the lore too?
@@ghostttriddder A real time multiplayer strategy game, where you command massive and I mean MASSIVE robotic armies.
@@attila535 thanks!
The fact that Golden Age Humanity could 1v1 the Necrons and win pretty easily is just... holy shit.
Fully awake full power necrons, which are easily behind DAoT humanity the Strongest faction in the setting period.
Where does it say that?
@@bloodangel19 it’s just a known fact in 40k lore idk where I can give you a source
Don't get excited this entire video is unbacked and unsourced. Half the claims mandalore makes it for comedic sake and not to be taken seriously at all.
@@just-some-menace6138 Um, @mandaloregaming is that way sir
My headcanon explanation of both humans and eldar being at their peak during the dark age is that the eldar, while having a bunch of worlds in real space for resource farming and what not, mostly lived in the webway and didnt gave a fuck about the material world.
I here declare this video as an STC for telling me about the Dark Age of Technology. You'll be given Australia
My head cannon to fix the whole Eldar and Humans being unbelievable powerful is that they just had a constant boarder war with there robots with out either side caring to much
They didn't even interact much.
Yep. Even the Imperium at it's full height, with all its Space marine leigons, Primarchs and the Emperor himself would get absolutely crushed by Humanity during the Golden age of Technology.
I doubt it, the empire lived through the golden age of technology and to my understanding he could understand tech by simply looking at it so with an empire at his back he could replicate all that tech pretty easy
@@fredbrad2036 Nope, the tech difference and the sheer amount of resources of the DAOT humans is superior in everyway.
Maybe the Phalanx in the golden age is just a floating resort.
Probably some rich guys private pleasure yacht.
It isn't, it was a warship. As evidenced by it's guns.
@@vyor8837 I think he meant that due to Humanity's immense power back then war was so rare that warships became floating hotels
@@dimitrypetrenko3470 if they didn't need such weapons, they wouldn't have been built. Phalanx is massive, we know they had smaller warships. Why build something that is larger than the *imperium* starships if you don't have need?
@@vyor8837 curiosity i guess. I mean you dont _need_ it but, why not _make_ it anyway?
I'd love to have videos on the Unification Wars. But as for why the Eldar basically see humans as monkeys, it's not about our technological ability or anything like that, it's our mindset. If you hand an Eldar a live nuke, they'll probably be extremely careful with it, and would only use it if the situation called for it. Hand a human a live nuke, and they'll probably do the same, but the whole time they're going to be itching to set it off.
Eldar were in the process of birthing Slaanesh during Humanity's first empire, which is why they couldn't be bothered to fight with humanity as they were more interested in sodomy and blood stuff.
Two important hobbies tbh
"why do eldar call humans primitives if humanity's empire was greater than theirs?"
because they're eldar
Because it was never true. The Eldar empire peaked far greater than humanity's ever did. It's only as of 40k that Eldar are actually behind, and not by much at that.
@@vyor8837 humanity could delete stars system did the eldar had anything to compete with ? They where made to fought crude necron not Humanity in god mode.
@@puebespuebes8589 "crude necron"??? The eldar were made to fight the necrons at their peak. They brought stars into the webway and had weapons capable of devastating entire star systems.
Im gonna say this everytime we bring up the dark age, GW gives a dark age human sub faction. God its so rare to see other scifi settings with a main human faction actually encounter a more advanced version of themselves that arent jerks
5:15 I've always wondered this too. I asked in the Discord for Darktide and a lorehead explained to me that the Eldar had actually hit their "peak" a looooooong time ago and had just stagnated for some 50 million years and regressed into their slump of hedonism. It still doesn't really address the idea that Eldar would had to have been aware of a rising, space fairing civilization. Maybe they just didn't care? They hadn't cared about anything in so long.
Finally!!! I've been waiting for this one for years
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The name itself is ironic. It was more akin to the original Star Trek (not that shit by Bad Robot)
DAOT humanity was basically the Federation of Planets during its hight but a WAY more powerful version of it that were but a few steps away from technological, godhood.
It's known as both the Golden Age of Technology and the Dark Age. The second because of, well, how it ended.
There are two things i want to know about more than anything once the Heresy is completed, the two lost Primarchs and the dark age of technology!
Sadly, most of the lore in this video is wrong.
@@vyor8837 cope
@@IAmAlpharius20 wut?
@@vyor8837 90 percent of the lore is correct. Stop lowballing DAOT humans or get out.
@@IAmAlpharius20 no. No it wasn't correct
They had the technology to kill the Emperor during thks golden age. That's how insanely powerful they were.
Hey majorkill and others, i think its a pretty safe assumption that humans knew of chaos during the dark age of technology, but that knowledge was suppressed by the emperor when he revealed himself.
Mining suits versus alien robots who can destroy stars without consequence and have clothes made out of time
How have Necrons not won yet?
Orcs and Tyrranids
Too bored and too disnunited to do it yet.
Because they can still be shot and killed.
Weak
@@mightiaskwhy5926 Well, shot. Not so much killed what with their self repairing metal. And teleportation.
When you realize that the Tau are not naive, their just the only rising powers in a galaxy of once great powers long past their prime.
Knowing the terminator armor Was mining Level Equipment back then is like the fact that in halo, the Master chief armor is only a hazmat suit compared to Forerunner armor
5:22 The Pyschomatons - the Aeldari equivalent of the Men of Iron.
Which were, hilariously, weaker than actual proper Aeldari warriors. Cause eldar psykers were fucking terrifying in that age.
I can imagine the DAoT humans and eldar approaching Lensmen levels of Tech or even the reality busting Getter Rays, only to be reammed by Slaanesh's awakening putting both species on reset.
Majorkill: promotes Aussie spectacles…
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If you think about it, there is probably a bit of hidden lore that few people consider:
The Eldar caused the mechanaclysm. Think about it logically. 63 million years, yet not once did a true inheritor of the Old Ones appear. They all, presumably, either triggered Thucydides Trap for no real reason, or just kept getting in weird civilization ending accidents that the Eldar politely mopped up afterwards.
The question is simple: What do you think the millions upon millions of Far Seers of the pre-fall Eldari were up to? They weren't trying to safe craftworlds, prevent the demise of maiden worlds or sabotaging the plots of chaos; they were instead assuring Eldari hegemony through probability manipulation and deceit.
They saw Humanity grow to a threat and used a warp ritual to destabilize all of our AI, perhaps even forced the creation of the "machine god" to send the machines into a religious frenzy, which is why in the 42st millenium its still impossible for a human to create an AI that doesn't immediately turn omnicidal. The Emperor knows this, and also (rightly) blames Eldar for causing the Age of Strive resulting in the destruction of millenia worth of technological and moral innovations on top of trillions of lives, which is why he irrationally hunts them down despite the Asuryani being an easily bought ally in the war against Chaos, and one helluva backstop.
Is this actual lore?
@Prestia2011 I don't know, but It’s going straight into my headcanon either way.
there were no far seers before Slaanesh.
And the people that could see the future were currently screaming about Slaanesh's birth, many going mad as a result of it.
So no, the Eldar had nothing to do with the MOI rebelling.
Very interesting theory.
They probably had mechanical gellar field analogues, perhaps the warp wasn't as inhospitable, or the automatic safety systems on the ships could deal with demon incursions.
Just remember - the Baneblade, the mega tank of the Imperial Guard and capable of changing the outcome of an entire war - was a LIGHT TANK, during this time.
Humanity was on another level man, I swear.
Don't get me started on the Meccharius, this my favourite.
This is a myth, it wasn't a light tank. IIRC, it was construction equipment. Was being the key word there. See, what the mechanicus did was take the chassis, engine, and such from the DAOT equivalent of a heavy bulldozer(the type of thing used to help tear down skyscrapers) and replace all of that construction stuff with armor and guns.
This is something that has been done with real life stuff as well, early tanks in WW1 were essentially just farming equipment with a front facing gun and armor slapped on, if that.
Were actual heavy tanks from that era better? God yes. But the Baneblade is only worse by both not having a ground up design for war... and the general tech involved being worse. It doesn't have a matter annihilation cannon or black hole gun or something, it just has a really big gun on top and a bunch of smaller ones peppering the sides and front. Same with the armor and (lack of) shields.
We need a Age of Strife and Unification wars video! I love this part of 40k its like the proluge of the Imperium and rlly shows the contrast of how humanity was and now is
Yeah was thinking the same thing.....Both humans and eldar had their peaks at the same time....i have no idea how GW expects us to believe that those 2 superpowers got along as both were super advanced making the Tau look like actual children that they were
You've got some backwards lore here. A lot of the questions you ask can be answered with the following:
1. Pre-fall Eldar outteched DOT Humanity. They also got around using the webway and the vast majority of them lived near/around the Eye of Terror. There was plenty of space and zero incentive to antagonize a superior foe (especially with humanity not necessarily united). The Dark Eldar are still able to move stars into the Webway for Commoragh...humanity simply was not on the same level.
The Eldar didn't bother with humanity because they weren't a real threat, and the two didn't overlap that much. They were able to live in a post-scarcity society-however decadent and broken-despite humanity. Why bother?
2. The Necrons are overwhelmingly more advanced that DOT Humanity. Just look at things like the celestial orrery, time travel, pocket dimensions...the Old Ones literally created the Eldar (and other) just to help fight them.
GW will probably never have a good explanation for why Chaos was seemingly so chill prior to the AoS...but if they weren't afraid of the Tyranids, Necrons, Eldar, or others, it's pretty unlikely that they were afraid of humanity or lacking sustenance. I mean...the Eldar literally gave rise to a new Chaos God. Someone in the warp was eating well
The reason the CGs weren't active is because... there wasn't a giant fuck off hole in the materium. What were they going to do? Use every last ounce of their strength to open one? They'd get eaten by one of the other gods.
Slaanesh's birth is the only reason Chaos is so active now, she weakened the barrier between the Warp and realspace enough for chaos to actually do shit.
Move stars ? Pff easy , humanity just sent tiny ship to eat them then build other one , they where on creative mode even the eldar seem primitive next to daot humanity. They have stars killer , world destroyer etc ... they could just wipe everything just by pressing a button
Imperial Knight = Green Thumb
The chainsaws make more sense now I guess lmao.
I think it makes sense that the Eldar and humanity kept peace under the premise of mutual assured destruction:
1. Both had time travel technology. To master time travel, you must be able to influence causality at least a bit.
2. A war would, without doubt, lead to a point where one faction would see the merit in just going back a 100 Mio years and destroy the other factions home planet.
3. To prevent the other faction from doing this, each builds some force that circumvents causality and exists even if the species it eradicated before its origin, can go back in time and eradicate the other species by destroying its homeplanet.
4. Either both species never exist (*insert ork-laughintrack*) or both species exist alongside. No in between except maybe some cold war-style proxy war fought by manipulated Xenos.
According to some lore, some of the most powerful stuff the Imperium of Man has been using was just the most basic stuff that the humans had during the Dark Age of Technology. Like, the main battle tanks of the Imperium of Man, the Leman Russ, was just a basic scouting vehicle of the Dark Age of Technology. And Space Marine armor was just mining safety gear of the Dark Age of Technology, as in what miners used to mine for minerals in caves. Makes you wonder what kind of weapons humans had in the Dark Age of Technology.
Man, I would love for a trilogy of books about the men of iron and the war against them. I want that lore.
Butlerian Jihad? Not again, please!
I like these older lore videos. Its a difficult task, trying to reach some sort of concensus or final verdict regarding thats actual, consistent cannon.
Oh hell yes another majorkill video
Maybe humanity during the Dark Age of Tech was mad all the xenos were not probing anybody, so they decided to probe themselves into near extinction
I've always wondered how you look when you have that stereotypical Australian news anchor voice going on, that's pretty hilarious actually, 10/10.
So what you're telling me is the dark age of technology was humanity going creative mode on the universe
A little head cannon of mine is that, like what vect does in camorra pulling in worlds and suns, when slanesh formed and possibly at other points not only worlds and suns but the 'space' itself got pulled into the warp, so the reason eldar and human empires never meet is because we are only left with the bare outskirts of what the galaxy once was, to be visual its like you put a tablecloth on table with a hole in it, then pulled half the galaxy through the eye of terror, and the empire flys around in a significantly reduced map.
Wouldn't it be awesome to have a novel about the birth of slaanesh through the eyes of the emporer
So basically ... Even with the mess that was the rebelion of the Men of Iron humanity might have recovered IF the Eldar din't Muerder-Fuck Slanessh into existence, because the warp wouldn't have destabilize that much and maybe humanity could have recover enouth to at least have a Silver or Bronze Age or maybe even a Copper age.
WELP, another reason to make fun of elves.
Unification Wars would be nice. Can even make a small reference to “The Last Church”, who knows?
So, in summary, everything is the Eldar's fault.
Actually, it's the Necrontyr/Necrons fault. If they didn't decide to overthrow the Old Ones, things would've been way less bad.
Imagine that back then the Krorks were pretty much the Peacekeeping force, and they were strong.
Any chance the Rangdans were responsible for turning the Men of Iron against the humans? I'm not sure if they exist during the dark age of tech and they could be a Cthulhu-like xenos race but I think they have the intelligence of a Flood Gravemind that can do a logic plague on these A.I.
I think part of the reason for this being called the Dark Age is because so much of the knowledge was lost. It's pretty common to call some era a dark age if there is a little written material. So there is an empty spot in the historical record. Of course Age of Strife and later Imperial propaganda also associated the period with badness.
I love all your videos brother but this one was informative in all the right ways. Keep it up
Id LOVE to see the dark age of technology expanded. The conflict with the men if iron along with who the xenos that helped put them down. Warhammer 20k when?
How Humanity did not discover Necron Tomb Worlds back then is beyond me..
They knew not to disturb big mysterious underground doors when they found them
They watched all the movies...
@@neon-lake lmaoooo
I wanna know about the mechanical worms that ate space-time. That sounds like something that could be a huge advantage.
No real information, GW never developed beyond footnotes
@@marrvynswillames4975 God damn it GW
@@grondunn9707 i think is for the best, some parts are better left was just background the player can fill
Eldar are basically space elves, and just as any other elf in fantasy they spend most of their time with their heads far into their own ass and insulting any non elf like creature.
Loved the summary!! You answered so many of my questions in just 10 minutes, thank youuu
Easy fix for the gellar field lore, not much is known about the dark age of technology so saying they had gellar fields would be more of an assumption since 40k humans don't understand shit, in the dark age it probably was tech but 40k humans wouldn't know what to call it
They were suppose to be so enlightened, I could actually see them pretty much ignoring each other peacefully until it was time to team up against the men of iron. also only the chill non murder elder would come to help which is why slanesh’s birth was unaffected, and we didn’t really notice how bad the elder were getting because before the alliance meant we never went to their core worlds, and then the war distracted us when it was really getting bad.
You could sum up 40k with one word: Irony. Every time someone tries to prevent something terrible, it ends up happening _because_ they tried to prevent it. Whether that someone is an individual or an entire civilization, the result is the same. If I lived in this universe I'd just sit in one spot not doing anything all day, every day because to do otherwise would just make things worse
Its kinda wierd that mankind only really started to colonize the outer solar system by the 15th millennium. Like, ganymede, titan, tritan and several other big colonizeable moons exist and by that time they could build colony ships, so why didnt mankind colonize the solar system?
For me it's just because of bad lore writing
Terraforming was primitive then they had to nuke destroy ice caps and use bio engineered bacteria
My head canon on why the galaxy is surrounded by Tyranids ind because the nids took a look while the war in heaven was in full swing and noped the heck ou of. They kinda just decided that the galaxy was to tough and passed by it.
So what I gathered from this is that the imperiums way of creating new weapons is to put a gun on it and hope for the best
Nice vid man, the dark / golden age of technology is very interesting I would like you to do another video on such and this was a great video!
Hey majorkill, maybe let Timmy do a video with doing commentary once? C'mon let the like guy try at least.
@Ian Yoder no don't kill Timmy put him back in the dungeon, more profit when he gets back out.
Ok so small reference, in Asurmen: The Darker Road audio drama, I believe Asurmen said that the Eldar and Human empire exited in peace, and since some of the Eldar didn't even seem to know what humans were, I assume they probably didn't contact each other much/the Eldar being the Eldar were off doing their own thing. Their own thing being collapsing the human empire with their sex orgies, since the warpstorms caused fucked with the humans ability to travel, while they just used the webway.
Imperial Navy ships explained
Flying cathedral go brrrr
I needed this... i love the mankind giga Chad space era
Corruption and debauchery always happen to any advanced civilization.
I've never seen it directly explained, so would love some more concrete information sources, but my assumption was always thus;
The Men of Gold were just biological humans, probably with hyper-advanced neurocybernetic systems interfaced into their brain meat for high-end computer interaction.
The Men of Stone were Digital Intelligences, normal human minds that have been fully uploaded into computers.
The Men of Iron were Smart Artificial Intelligences, full on machines used for mundane tasks a human mind finds boring and which could be mass produced.
These three categories follow along with most futurist ideas of how we will merge with our machines.
Again, anyone with more concrete information sources, it would be appreciated if you could point me to any books that contradict this.
I think the best explanation I can think of regarding the Man/Eldar plot conflict is that they viewed mankind the same way the Imperium treats the Tau now. Advanced upstarts with more knowledge than common sense
Not super relevant but one of the things that I love about 30K/40K is that the shortcuts here and there mean going through super turbo hell. In it for the lols
Why are you waaaaay more handsome than I ever could imagine 😂🤣 I thought you were a fat beard neck till now 🤣
Wait till you see me naked
he's not ugly just Australian
You didn't see his custodes cosplay?
You should see his Custodian video 😅
Commenting for the algorithm
Gav Thorp has been Fing everything up since the early 90s. I gave you a like just for pointing that out.
if that power armor was used to mine
imagine what they have for an actual war prep powerarmor
Not really, Terminator was a hazard suit for extreme conditions
The Technocracy found in The great crusade had Power armor stc, robots did most of the fight, making heavy armor for humans kinda pointless
How great it would have been for humans during the dark age of technology, no strife, no oppression , endless amounts of technology, cooperation between humans and Xenos, no need to die in war due to machines doing that for you, no chaos from the warp, it completely contrasts the grimdark future of the 41st millennium, were technology and human development is but a shadow of it once was, must have been glorious but too good to last