The True Lord of Westeros - Daemon BlackFyre
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- The BlackFyre rebellions were a series of wars fought when illegitimate children became legitimized by Aegon the 4th
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The Blackfyre Rebellions tale is a nuanced meditation on how people are moved to belief and action through beliefs. People who didn't like peaceful union with Dorne through marriage saw Daeron as "tubby" and loathed having to coexist with the Dornish as fellow subjects of the Iron Throne-- they didn't want victory through peaceful union, they wanted glorious bloodshed and violent defeat of the Dornish they hated. SO they made up post facto justifications for a coup putting their "warrior god" on the throne instead of the analytical, thoughtful ruler who achieved rule over all the seven kingdoms of Westeros through marriage: respectful tolerance and compromise was boring and made them pout, they wanted war and a king whose "virtue" was fighting.
It's interesting how some societies seem to value and need strength. Especially in a context where war is common. Might not be a bad idea to follow the leaders who are best at it
what matters there is how strength is defined.@@loremonkey
Very true. I suppose some value political strength more. Someone like Tywin who fights more like a game of strategy
It’s a bit more than “they wanted glorious bloodshed”. Whilst that certainly was apart of it, the other reasons was that ever since Daeron I many Lords and knights lost loved ones to the Dornish invasion, they sacrificed a lot for the Targs to own Dorne and when the Targs eventually make a peaceful integration with Dorne they felt cheated. In order to get Dorne Daeron II had to give them major benefits, ones that the other kingdoms didn’t get when they were subjugated decades ago. He also gave them political power. His wife was Dornish, his heir looked Dornish and his court was filled with Dornishmen. Many in the realm saw it as the enemy taking over their realm. Add to this that the previous King (Aegon IV) was opposed to Dorne and attempted to make war on them before, many of Westeros were still on the ideology of Dorne are the enemy.
There’s still other reasons that many supported Daemon I. Daeron kicked out many of Aegon IV’s lickspittles from political power and they wanted it back, others were persuaded with ideas of glory and gold, and others genuinely believed that Daeron was the bastard of Aemon the Dragonknight and that Daemon was the ideal king, looked like a magnificent warrior king, was the most chivalrous knight and shone like a legend out of myth.
@@amanimckenzie32 wise words
"beneath the gold, the bitter steel"
Who said this?
Aegor Rivers, the half-brother of Bloodraven whose mother was a Bracken-- he fled across the narrow sea after Redgrass Field, and started the Golden Company@@loremonkey
Such a sick quote. It's a little less cool when you're saying about yourself, though 😄. Still sweet tho
Battle cry of the Golden Company. I find myself repeating it fairly often.
I still can't get over the fact that some people supported him only because he was hot
That happens in real life too my guy. Not everyone is that smart
So Henry Cavill should play him then
@loremonkey I know a handsome man who resembles the conqueror won't be hard to follow, but I still get over that stupidity
Henry Cavill is gonna play half the damn characters in GOT at this point
I know!!!! How can anybody be SO CHARISMATIC I look for excuses for incest and police violence???? (not that I found them, but I momentarily wanted to!)
Daemon blackfyre was also of pure valyrian blood, his mom was aegon IV cousin
That was surprising to me. I thought bastards had to be of non noble blood
@@loremonkeynope, just of unmarried parents. Book Robert’s “favorite” son Edric was born of a noblewoman* from house Florent. Argon IV’s “Great Bastards” were called as such because they were from Noble Mothers, the five being: Bloodraven (and his 2 sisters) from house Blackwood and Bittersteel from house Bracken, and last and most prominent Daemon Blackfyre from a Targaryen mother. Typically a bastard born of a peasant mother would be considered “base born” IIRC, but i might be mixing up the terms.
Edit: spelling
The whole bloodline thing really is a lot. They care so much about it in GOT. Talk about a class based society
@@loremonkey yeah that tended to be how feudalism worked lmao.
A flawed system if you ask me
King Daemon Blackfyre The King Who Bore The Sword of Kings🗡 killed Treacherously with his sons after fighting so honorably himself.
Great video
You were 90% of the inspiration for this one! I didn't even know about the blackfyre story until you strted commenting about it!
@@loremonkey Thank you for saying that. Part of the reason I comment all over the place about House Blackfyre is because not only is it fun to ham it up but I feel like they are extremely underrated.
Dude, honestly, the story is really cool. Aegon was like "Yeah fuck it you all figure it out" Do you think he actually wanted Daemon prince?
@loremonkey I think he did because he didn't like Daeron so he idealized Daemon Blackfyre the strong son that wasn't from the sister and probably the only woman he didn't lust for.
Bloodraven was the fucking man. Just sniped everyone.
I always liked to root for the blackfyer in my head even though I knew it was doomed.
Theres always hope if you believe
Young griff
From what i remember being said by the characters in the A Kinght of the Seven Kingdoms, Aegon IV gave Daemon the sword because he was the better warrior and Daeron II got the crown as he was the better ruler.
This sounds dangerously close to the maegor aenys situation.
@@loremonkeyMaegor only loved 2 persons in his life.... his mom and his big bro
Do you think he loved Aenys? It didn't seem like a particularly warm relationship to me.@@nicksmithnutmilk
@@loremonkey he didn't kill him so he probably did 🤣🤣 I'd say they had a good relationship . Aenys gave Maegor Blackfyre and named him his Hand which means he trusted him with his life , Maegor helped Aenys to keep the Throne and always protected him
I suppose not killing someone qualifies as love from Maegor. I always figured he was waiting so he could have a legit claim to the throne and seem like less of a usurper.@@nicksmithnutmilk
The only banners the commons sow, waiting for their true King features a Black Dragon.
Hail Daemon the Gallant, Daemon the Just, Daemon the True. The black dragons shall rise again! 😂🎉
Hail the true king!
House blackfyre men are extinct not the blackfyre women and due to griff the male line might still be alive
Bloodraven also is alive....albeit, "living" might be too strong word.
@@Ruosteinenknight ik he's alive but he he's not really serving a purpose now is he
Griff is allegedly prince rheagars hidden son i thought
@@kruzewashington7064 that's the story being told, but the unknown specifics of how they would've managed to swap Rheagar and Elia's son before the Mountain killed them all, Dany's visions of a "mummer's dragon", and the fact that Griff is backed by the Golden Company heavily implies he's a Blackfyre
@@statelessfgc1069It was quite possible that Aegon was sent away with Jon Connington when he was sent into exile. It was said that nobody could actually identify Aegon because his head was smashed in. I personally don't think he's a Blackfyre, if he were then Jon Connington wouldn't support him. And there is no way for the Golden Company to know more about the boy than Jon does.
To be the greatest son and have to be forced 2nd place in the entire 7 kingdoms would drive me crazy too. Dameon Blackfyre is a good man as well
Another great video.
Thank you! I'm doing my best
Daemon is a legitimized bastard not the heir. That’s why Caitlyn stark was scared of Jon’s bloodlines potential
I thought she just hated him because it reminded her that Ned cheated "allegedly"
In the books she refers to the potential of jons kids being lagetemized I think it’s either where she sends him to the nights watch with maester aemond. Or the scene where rob lagitamized Jon in the books. But either way daemon blackfire is a great character
@@loremonkey cause she refers to the blackfire rebellions and how long it took to end
@@loremonkeythat’s part of it but mostly because all the other stark boys look like a her/the Tully’s (red hair and blue eyes) where as Jon looks exactly like a stark, which is what hurts her and what she fears the most. Also arya is the only other stark who looks actually like a stark.
I love the blackfyre aesthetic
the whole story of blackfyres is a nuanced meditation on the power of emotional button-pushing versus calm, thoughtful rationality to move people and achieve results. Does "argument" mean logical analysis, or violence? Can you win an argument by silencing any voice that dissents? (If a pigeon shits on the board, has it won the chess match?)
Need a blackfyre rebellion show after the dance of the dragons they can skip up to aegon the 4th or start from the young dragon idc as long as we get it
That would be so cool. Hopefully we do!
Well technically they are not extinct since Varys is secretly a Blackfyre, and Faegon is like his nephew or something
Varys is a blackfyre? I must have missed that. when is that revealed?
@@loremonkeyit isn't, it's a theory
Illyrio mopatis is a blackfyre and his son is faegon most likely acc to the books
Beneath the gold, the Bittersteel
You forgot to say that only the male line is extinct
You right. The video just has a strict time limit and i have to trim stuff to make it 60 seconds
The blackfyre rebellions. Similar with the dance of the dragons in the sense of two half siblings fighting for the throne. Unsimilar in the case that while both the sides daeron and daemon were incredible men, both competent in their different areas and honourable, while aegon and rhaenyra were entitled shitstorms who should've just been thrown into a ring with their supporters to settle their fight instead of wasting dragons and people.
Now you got me wanting the Alicent Rhaenyra fist fight lmao
Aegon II VS Rhaenyra one on one ? She can keep her tongue 😂😂🤣🤣 a trial by seven would have been interesting though
Aegon , Aemond , Daeron , Criston and 3 knights from the Kingsguard VS Daemon , Erryk , Laenor , Corlys and 3 knights from the Queensguard
I'd buy the pay per view@@nicksmithnutmilk
Also IDK man BBW Rhaeynyra might truck Aegon 2 lmao. if she got a 150lb weight advantage @@nicksmithnutmilk 🤣
House Blackfye is not Extinct tho....
I still don't understand how He just wouldn't Take the name DAEMON "TARGARYEN" instead of "Blackfyre" . Most people would've rallied behind his since many thought The Blackfyre Sword and 2 Targaryen Parents were a big Sign anyway.
But hey..It's fiction, so whatever GRRM wants will happen😂
His name was Daeron. Deer-un.
You're not entirely correct in calling House Blackfyre extinct. They are, Officially, only extinct on the Male Line. The text was quote specific on that.
Varys is Blackfire
Long live the true kings of Westeros
Hail Daemon Blackfyre!
This doesn't explain rains of castamere.
Wasn't really meant to. I have a seperate video for that one!
Seriously?
There must be something hidden there.
Why not call yourself Targaryen? It is the name of the royal family and after the King died and Daemon tried to take over, he had every opportunity to call himself Daemon Targaryen, yet he didn't.
I mean, how many more people would've been split up, if the conflict was between 2 Targaryens instead of a rumored bastard with the Targaryen name and a legitimized bastard with a completely new name?
Some manipulative asshole was probably pulling the strings again (as always).
Such is so often the case in Westeros! He most likely took the name as he didn't identify as a Targaryen due to his bastard status. Blackfyre most likely gave him a sense of individuality despite not being the best PR move
And house black fire was an illegal house. Noble, yes. But illegal
Blackfyre is not extinct, young griff, aegon vi is a blackfyre
This was the start the blackfires could have been the hero’s
Would be interesting to see an alternate history where the BlackFyres won.
@@loremonkey exactly fr it just makes sense because if the 3 eyed Raven did it he started it he did it for a reason
Aegon the fat was the worst king ever
The fat is the best surname for a king ever
Wait so Blood raven is actually a Targaryen
Technically yes, and technically no, he has Targaryen blood, but since his mother and father were not married, he’s a bastard
@@larrylindgren215 that makes sense too
But what surprises me is how does a Targaryen have warge powers
I thought that was limited to the starks and north men
So maybe his mom was from the north
@@emmanuelijomah8163 his mother was Melissa Blackwood and even though they’re from the river lands, their family is originally comes from the North and they do worship the old gods in the north blood raven used a bow made from the Weirwood tree and spoiler alert, would go on to become the three eyed raven
House Reyne was destroyed, root and stem, by Tywin Lannister. That's the Rains of Castamere.
Americans can’t tell you the capital of their own states, but know copious details about a fictitious medieval lineage? Seems about right.
Daemon blackfyre was named after his great grandfather the rouge prince.