I love how, Harold, didn't yell at the officer's when they laughed at him, he just rushed to the captains cabin and told him right away. Also kudos to, Captain Arthur, for not snapping at, Harold, when he woke him up brutally
@@FilosophicalPharmer You are right, no one makes pranks on Captains, who are respected by the other crew members. Sailors may joke between themselves, but never to a superior.
I agree. I think it would make a really good movie, especially exploring the choices and risks the Captain had to assess. I really like movies that make me think about what I would do in those circumstances.
@@MillwallRobest yes she was sunk during WWI on 17 July 1918 after being torpedoed three times by the U boat U55 off the southern Irish coast with a loss of five crew members (killed in the torpedo strikes), all other passengers and crew abandoned ship and were picked up by the Royal Navy ship HMS Snowdrop, which also drove off the U boat with its guns.
Not gonna lie, but I think Ismay was right in suggesting that the Olympic not take the survivors, that would be even more traumatic. The people would think either they are seeing a ghost or have false hope that it was some weird bad dream. This was great, thanks for posting!
I agree, I think Ismay was concerned about that. Hate to sound cynical, but I think an ulterior motive is he didn’t want the added bad press of Titanic passengers arriving on another White Star liner. Also it just seems even riskier to try to transfer all those people at sea when the Carpathia could just take them to NYC. Think of the inconvenience to the Carpathia‘s passengers, but I’m sure most of them understood.
all that shit talk about ismay being a coward and all was totally untrue. he helped load the boats on the side he was on, together with andrews and the captain. he ONLY went in the very last lifeboat when all the women and children were gone where he was. he helped LOTS of people that night
@@skyguy1988 ITA. Ismay did his best to try and help people. I think a problem was that newspapers raised people against him, after learning he'd survived, in the days between the sinking and "Carpathia" reaching NYC and the truth coming out.
@@TorontoJediMaster plus if he went down with the ship, he couldn't have told the tale. he also couldnt have ENSURED that this never happens again . because he made it a priority to tell everyone ships MUST HAVE MORE LIFEBOATS.
@@skyguy1988 interestingly enough, more lifeboats probably wouldn’t have helped the Titanic. They didn’t even have time to actually launch all the lifeboats that they did have. (Two of the collapsibles were actually floated off the ship because they didn’t have time to launch them via the Davits. If there was another row of lifeboats inboard of the ones that were actually there, it would have condensed the deck space further, made it more cluttered, and quite possibly have slowed the process down to where even less lifeboats were actually launched.
The captain doubled the lookouts and (I think) posted lookouts lower down on the ship, where they would have an easier time spotting icebergs before they hit their ship.
When asked about the risks he took running Carpathia through the ice field at high speed at night, Captain Rostron is said to have replied "I can only conclude another hand than mine was on the helm.".
The efforts the Carpathia captain made to get there was unbelievable. He is either extremely brave or a fool over pressurizing the boilers. That one fact was new to me. TYVM for the 411.
Boilers, even back then usually have a margin of safety of about 10 to 20 percent above what they are normally rated on as the "safe" maximum pressure. So usually the ship had a speed of 14 knots, if they over pressurized the boilers to their actual max pressure rating, 20% to get to 17 knots is about right. but any more than that 20% could have been a disaster. They knew what they were doing.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE 10-20% is almost nothing, thats the range the safety valve respond, 10-20% isnt even enough to compensate wear, its like 10 bar operating pressure, but explodes at 11-12 bar. The safety margin is around 100-250% of the operating pressure. Also speed to power ratio isnt linear, to get 20% over the construction speed, you need a loot more than 20% more power
I don't have any knowledge of ships or anything and I have never been that much interested in Titanic BUT for some reason the moment Rostrom' says 'tell Titanic we are coming as fast as possible' it makes me so emotional same with his statement when he ordered to 'shoot fireworks every 15 mins to give the survivors support and hope that help is on its way' these two orders for some reason makes me wanna cry for the efforts that amazing captain and the ship made to help a ship that was (as far as I know) belonged to a rival ship line! Both the ship and the captain are true heroes ♡
The film A Night To Remember did a fantastic job portraying Carpathia's roll during the Titanic disaster. One of the few things the Cameron film didn't feature in his film.
a night to remember is much much better and more accurate the james cameron's titanic. i prefer a night to remember. plus the love story of jack and rose is just cringe AF and ruins the whole thing
@@skyguy1988 I suppose you'd call "Romeo and Juliet" cringe too. I'm so tired of people piling on the movie that led to the majority of us being interested in the Titanic in the first place. The romance "ruins" nothing, it adds stakes, investment and humanity to a tragedy A Night To Remember tells in a very stilted way (And it has its share of inaccuracies too, lol).
As others have already mentioned, the story of the Carpathia, her crew and passengers, as they went to assist the Titanic, would make a really good movie. We live in an age where TV tells us that crimes are solved in an hour, the good guys make the right decisions and usually win in the end. Real life is not so simple or black and white. In the real world, sometimes all you can do is calculate the risks and make the best choice you can. What was on the Captains mind as they headed to Titanic? What if a boiler blew out? They struck an iceberg? If in the attempt to rescue, his own ship, crew, and passengers were at risk? Yet, doing nothing was not an option either. I’d love a movie that explored the human emotions and thoughts of those involved. I think it would be a really good topic for classroom discussions, exploring and debating the actions that occurred.
Ooh yes brilliant comment. Would love a Carpathia movie and you are so right about how everything is seen as good and bad. I find it is getting worse as well.
Yeah in real life you make the best decision you can with the information you have at the time, you do your job as professionally as you can. How it turns out or how your actions are viewed in the benefit of hindsight is remembered is up to God or "fate" some people might say. It's so important to be a good professional and trust in your training because I guess that's the only thing you can really control. Your own actions. Well done Captain Rostrum.
Captain Rostrom’s response to Cottham was recorded as, ‘Tell him that we are coming along as quickly as we can.’ I’ve always thought that is one of the most dramatic and understated instructions in maritime history. Thank you for a very well researched video and for not having a go at Californian.
@@Jasper7182009 true, but also take into account that maritime laws didn't require 24hr comms at the time. I'm not absolving the Californian for not responding but I also acknowledge that it wasn't entirely their fault
@@patriotforlife6592 it wasn't entirely their fault and it's questionable how much they could've helped, but they absolutely deserve criticism for doing nothing. It goes beyond the wireless. They visibly saw the ship listing in the water, they visibly saw Titanic's lights underwater, they visibly saw distress rockets, and they even saw the Morse lamp from the Titanic and failed to recognize it. They also spent half the night warning everyone about ice bergs. It was gross negligence at best
@@Jasper7182009 3 times the officers on the California's bridge, told the captain that a large ship to the south was firing rockets. They counted 7 rockets, But the captain just said try to contact her with the lamp? Why didn't say wake the wireless man and see if anything is amiss? So simple but he just didn't want to get out of his warm bed! Every first year cadet in those days knew rockets at sea mean 1 thing, HELP! then at the inquest the log books went missing.
There are a number of ships involved that night that aren't recognised enough. The first is SS Mount Temple which, while too far away to save Titanic (about 70 miles compared to Carpathia's 58), still made a valiant effort to reach the stricken liner, her rescue mission brought to a stop only when she ran into the dense ice field surrounding Titanic. She reached Titanic's last reported position at 4:30am, yet found no sign of the ship or her occupants. Her captain calculated that Titanic had actually sank 8 miles further east and arrived at the correct location at 6am, just in time to see Carpathia taking the survivors onboard. The second is Frankfurt, which historians believe was only 20 miles away from Titanic, her captain stating that he would arrive by 2am, well before Carpathia and saving the lives of those who died of exposure. Despite Phillips' belief that Frankfurt was close enough to render aid, he rudely dismissed the vessel when it asked for clarification on the vague message he had sent. (Despite popular belief, CQ D was not a distress call. Phillips was simply telling all ships in the area that he needed aid without actually stating what was wrong with his vessel) Why Phillips ignored a ship he believed to be close enough to help him in favour of communicating with ships too far away to be of any use is a mystery in itself. Despite this, Frankfurt's crew were not called upon to give evidence which might have cleared things up. Another was the liner Birma, which Carpathia sternly refused aid from simply because she didn't carry a Marconi wireless set. (Yes, Marconi's rivalry with other firms was so bitter that their employees often refused to provide aid to any vessel that used rival technology) This meant that Birma's minor yet crucial role in the disaster went largely unnoticed for over 70 years. The British inquiry ignored the evidence from both Mount Temple and Birma (both of which reached Titanic's supposed location, only to find Carpathia rescuing survivors miles to the north-east) that clearly showed that Titanic had broadcast a wildly inaccurate location, instead insisting that Californian was mistaken in where she was. It wasn't until 1990 that Birma's logs exonerated Californian from the stitch up the British inquiry had created.
Exonerated is a stretch. They saw a weird vessel speeding into an ice field, an ice field they themselves were stopped by. They saw it abruptly stop and didn't think to hop on the ol wireless and see if it was anything. They saw flares, still didn't think to actually do anything other than run about to each other asking about the damn flares but never bothering to pop on and fucking ask. They saw what appeared to be Morse lamps and again ran around *talking* about it but did anybody try the Marconi sitting right there. Nope. Weird ship vanishes, did anybody finally hop on just to see. Lol get out of here with that shit, they fucked about some more and could not possibly bother to check. All this in an era where nobody thought twice about 40 hour shifts or only getting 6 hours of sleep or working months straight but no no let's let the Marconi dude sleep.
@@evil1by1 they did try to contact Titanic after first stopping for ice, trying to warn them of the ice field that had stopped them. Titanic's wireless man told him to "shut up", because the signal was loud and interfered with him passing passenger messages along to a shore station, Cape Race. Both ships sent Morse messages, but neither could see the other, which meant they were further than 10 miles apart, which was the maximum effective distance. The officer on watch at the time could have awakened the wireless man to make inquiries - he didn't need Lord's permission to do that, but he apparently didn't possess the slightest modicum of curiosity.
Capt Rostron reportedly picked up and noted more lifeboats than were actually on Titanic, and this is never mentioned. When questioned by Lord Mersey at the British Inquiry, Mersey asked Rostron 'Altogether, how many boats did you pick up?', to which Rostron replied: 'We got 13 lifeboats alongside, and we picked up 13 lifeboats, two emergency boats, and two Berthon collapsible boats. One lifeboat we saw capsized and one of the Berthon boats was not launched from the ship. There was also a Berthon boat we saw capsized. This made a total of 20.' Capt Rostron also compiled a full list of the survivors that Carpathia had rescued that morning and this was carefully compiled name by name when each survivor arrived on deck. Carpathia's wireless operator Harold Cottom then transmitted the full list as soon as it was complete and as passed on to him by Capt Rostron. But oddly, the list contained a total of 803 names. It's documented that only 705 people survived the disaster, so where did the extra 98 come from I wonder?.
I have to give Capt. Rostron, the preparations he ordered (this is when there were No Instructions for at sea rescues) were basically recommended by the Boards of Inquiry, word for word, to become the Written Instructions for How To Conduct A Rescue At Sea!!!
Hey, I am a huge Titanic and Carpathia historian and you are the whole reason I started to get interested in it. I just hope you keep making these amazing videos.
That scenic image of the titanic in complete darkness except for the lights, shows what it really looked like. The area around the titanic wasn't brightly illuminated like in the 1998 Movie. It was very dark. They barely could even see the giant white iceberg which is why they hit it. Even if you were lucky enough to get into a lifeboat...by the time the titanic really started down fast all of the lights went out and everyone was in near pitch darkness minus the dim illumination of the stars/moon. Frightening to say the least
Absolutely brilliant video from start to finish. Just imagine how horrific things could have been if Captain Rostron hadn't believed Cottam, and Cottam had just spent the rest of the night listening to people die?
It was actually a pretty courageous thing for a lowly wireless operator to barge into a captain's quarters and abruptly awaken him. Not only was it a time where class distinction was rigidly adhered to but this was also a matter of rank. It was a gross breach of discipline to override the normal chain of command. In other words - back then the lower class knew their place and didn't speak until spoken to by their betters.
There definitely would’ve been fewer survivors! The survivors were exhausted, crying, shivering, and hurting terribly when the Carpathia rescued them. There were other ships that picked up the Titanic’s distress call and tried to dash to her rescue too, but none of them started to arrive at the location until around the time the Carpathia had picked up the last of the survivors which was sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 that morning.
You could even include an extended epilogue of Rostron being universally praised for his conduct - Congressional Medal of Honor, Knighthood, the medal presented by Molly Brown, etc.
Two héros on the Carpathia. The wireless operator who decided to check one more time before shutting down for the night. And, of course, the Captain Rostron who reacted immediately.
Anyone else feel like the Titanic is perpetually showing a sad face when you see pictures of the her underwater? I realize it’s due to the slumping of the bow on the seabed and how it impacted and deteriorated over time, however it just looks very sad. The stern as well due to the implosion it suffered, looks defeated. Really sad to see arguably the greatest ship ever made (mostly due to its tragic story) never complete her service the way she was intended to. Interestingly sad personification, I guess she also feels sad with her short career.
The optical illusion saved a lot of lives, also the guy that said no to the olympic definitely made a good call considering he must’ve been just as shaken up as all the other survivors
First rescue ship to reach the RMS Titanic . The Carpathia Rescued all the passengers in life boats, from the RMS Titanic.Captain Ralston of the Carpathia and The wireless Operator were very much instrumental in the rescue of the passengers of the RMS Titanic.
As a naval history nerd I know a bit about how ships of that era worked; boilers and engines for naval applications were built robustly with a decent margin for safety. Using arbitrary numbers, a ship's boiler designed to handle 200psi would have a safety margin of 10-20% where you could over pressure the boiler with out any damage or risk of catastrophic failure for limited amounts of time (basically your not cruising around in that margin all day). It was also the same with the engines they also had a margin of safety built into them. So the Carpathia's captain didn't really take that large of a risk provided he did not disable the safety valves on the engines and boilers that would open if the pressure exceeded the pre-built margin of saftey.
Actually, she "rode the 130s"! This is pushing the entire Steam System HARD... They valved off and bypassed the 110% & the 120% Safety Valves! I feel that the Charge of the Carpatia should get greater attention!!! The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" does her more justice than the film "Titanic"!
Wanna pick your brain about this. I understand Titanic had a coal fire before leaving port. Apparently, it was so hot, it made the steel more brittle in that area. Unbelievable amount of coal carried in these ships!!
Aloha, wonderful research and presentation. The Titanic must have turned into PANIC CITY once the majority of it’s passengers finally realized that the Titanic was not unsinkable. It’s eerie strange that so many of the life boats were not even filled to capacity. Passengers were not aware of the severity of the ship’s damages. Such a tragedy. R.I.P. all who went down.
So glad I found your channel. I learn a lot more about the Titanic from you than anyone else other than Cameron himself. Love the outgoing attitude you have cause it makes the videos enjoyable to watch and listen to.
This video is very informative, and interesting too. When one begins to think about the tragedy, one at times forgets the great adavances in technology that have occurred since then, and this video reminds one it was 1912, and even radio with spoken words did not exist. One had to understand the Morse Code to know what the messages sent by the ships said. The fact the Carpathia raced at over its rated speed to the scene, probably saved many passengers who would have died of hypothermia.
It’s so crazy to think that the equivalent of what the captain did to the carpathias engines is the same thing as hitting NOS on a stock engine in a car. It can and should blow up by all accounts but it didn’t it’s just mind blowing.
@@GrapeCheckerBoard indeed, they must have known their ship inside out never mind what the safety margins say. Guess you can always break the rules but only if you really know what you're doing. Heroism without the knowledge to back it up is recklessness but thankfully the Captain knew his shit and got through it in one piece
Hey Sam I was finally able to pick up my Christmas gift from one of my friends, "On A Sea Of Glass" I am so excited to dig in and read the book. Now I'll ace your quizzes and know even more about the Titanic!!!! Also the Titanic coal I got in my photo frame from the Luxor exhibit fell out some how so my husband secretly went and ordered me a larger chuck of coal. It came in a glass display case with a letter of authenticity. So cool. That's about all I'll ever own of the titanic but it is enough for me.
I have to let you know Iv been listening to you videos and I find them very informative, interesting, and enjoyable. You really have the facts down. Your inthusiazim is evident in you delivery of the narrative. Great job hope your still at it. You are exemplary with your wealth of details.
Greetings, Absolutely stellar production. Excellent research and great delivery. Have been doing a lot of research about the Carpathia of late and have amassed a lot of specifications and early history from maiden voyage on. But you gave me more tidbits of info that I did not have. This and the video of The Titanic in Her Own Words are the two best productions about the disaster yet. Yours for a yeoman's job with research and the narrative, and "In Her Own Words" for the ingenious and novel POV of that terrible night. I cried when I first heard it. Thank you both for your fine efforts!! PS: My grandmother (she was about 2-1/2 years old at the time) traveled to the New World on Carpathia in 1908 with her older sister, brother, and mother. Their father had come to the States a year earlier to settle in East Saint Louis before sending for his family to leave Hungary. So my family has a very loose connection to these great ships.
That is such an amazing connection to Carpathia. She transported so many people safely during her career. I believe five people were killed when she was torpedoed by the German U-boat in 1918.
It was just Devine intervention that Harold Cottam had stayed up a little later than usual and wore his headphones while on no official duty, just in the process of getting undressed for bed before shutting down the radio for the night.
8:35 Harold had another big clue that it was really the Titanic that was sending the call for help: MGY, the brand new Marconi station on Titanic, was using very new, much improved equipment, the newly designed 5kW synchronous rotary spark transmitter. Not even the Olympic, the flagship of the class, had such a modern marvel. And this transmitter sounded differently than pretty much every other station in wireless range. From what i can find, except maybe a couple of land based Marconi installations on land where those transmitters were developed, nobody else had access to those models at the time. And each Marconi station on the Atlantic had rough charts of time vs. distance to various ships that were updated for every trip. So if you know the pre-calculated distance to a ship and its transmitter power, an experienced operator can take a guess if the loudness he hears matches what the chart says it should be.
@@wolf310ii It had a much cleaner tone than anything else on the ocean. And due to its long range, he might have heard other transmissions of Titanic before the emergency call. (The Titanic spend many hours before that sending out the backlog of passenger messages)
A few corrections: a larger ship (like RMS Titanic and even the RMS Carpathia & SS California) also have a white masthead light (360 degree visibility). The name for various things aboard a ship have different names depending on the country the ship is from. For instance a ship's Dynamo (British) is the exact same thing as a ship's Generator (US). Hence Navigation Lights and Running Lights are probably both correct! (Of course it could also be one was what they called them in 1912 and what they called them in 1978 when I went "Haze Gray and Underway" in the US Navy.... In 1912, Signals were not standardize, so instead of using Red Distress Rockets & Flares, RMS Titanic used White Rockets and Green Flares.... Finally, Boxhall may have used the last reported position listed in the ship's log.... Not to mention the possibility of the current moving the lifeboats! (Also, between the Navigator's sightings you do your estimates by Dead Reckoning .)
Even under todays regulations, ships like Titanic would not have a 360° white top light. The regulations for the top lights on the Titanic in 1912 were pretty similar to todays regulation. It must have a with light with an arc of 20 points of the compass, 10 points to each side, 20-40ft above the hull in front of the fore mast. It may have a second light similar to the first, 15 ft higher on the aft mast. One point is 11,25°
I'm a fairly new subscriber and I greatly admire your hard work and dedication to telling the tales of these great ships. Though sea-going liners are my first love I also enjoy tales of our land liners, the great passenger trains that crossed our country before Amtrak. One true tale that is hardly covered in video form is the 1952 incident of the snowbound streamliner, The City of San Francisco, which was trapped at the Donner Pass cut through on the old Southern Pacific railroad. It was covered in the book Snowbound Streamliner. I truly believe you would be the perfect person to turn this tale into a excellent video record for all to share on CZcams. Thanks again for your hard work.
@@stormkelleh Titanic's crew firing flares at the wrong periods that Californian doesn't think it's distress flares, someone forgot to give the lookout crew some binoculars, some people trying to overload lifeboats and tip them over, and more.
@@stormkelleh How is it amazing?! The first example I gave made the Californian not come to Titanic's rescue, Not giving binoculars to the lookout crew made Titanic hit the iceberg and sink, overloading the boat made people drown! It isn't amazing! It isn't just about people doin right things, at the right time. So I still do not see your point, and you call the tragedies I mentioned above amazing?!
Another thing. Seafarers generally and Captains particularly are prepared to quick reactions,and ready decisions, this is part of the sea life,when they call you 15 mins before your watch starts and you must wake up,dress reaching the Bridge ready to relieve the watch in full operational conditions and clarity of mind. Abd you have to be ready at once to take decisions and give orders. That's seaman life. I did that for 41 years...
This video was so very informative and interesting.....such a good history lesson, teaching things l had never heard before....thanks for sharing your stories with us and please tell us more.
Thank you for all information you’ve had collected to understand why Titanic sank how that tragic happened was very thoughtful I still looking for other video.
SS Californian to RMS Carpathia, 15 April 1912 07:00: “Have received notification of loss of Titanic and are standing by to assist, please respond.“ RMS Carpathia to SS Californian: “Message acknowledged, we are recovering survivors. Californian, please write down your message and send it to 01:00 14 April 1912 when it would’ve f*****g mattered. Thanks for nothing.” Compare and contrast the actions of Captain Rostron with that of Captain Lord. What a difference one man can make. I know it wasn’t mentioned in the video, but Californian’s radio being turned off is no excuse, they watched the rockets from Titanic and didn’t even bother to ask the radio operator to switch on the set and see what was going on.
20:12 - My dad was a radio operator in the US Air Force, he was stationed in Alaska and copied Russian radio transmissions. All Morse code is in English... it may be coded, but the code is in the English Alphabet, however, it wasn't uncommon for Russian operators to send uncoded messages in the open. The Americans did the same, it all depended on the security of the message itself - for instance, Johnny Cash (who was also a radio operator in the Air Force), was the first American to learn of Stalin's death, and he copied the transmission in the open, it wasn't coded... he then took it to his commanding officer to report what he had learned. Anyway, my dad told me that it was very common to begin learning each operator's transmission style; the way they typed on the telegraph became very unique to them, and a good operator could easily distinguish between other operators and were able to quickly tell who was "speaking" at any given moment. My dad told me that, often times, when there was a transfer, a Russian radio operator would suddenly disappear from a certain base, only to show back up at a new base across the country and, when he did, the operators used to listening to him would recognize him almost instantly as soon as he began typing out messages. And the Russians were able to do the same... at one point, the Soviets sent a "personalized Christmas message" to all of the radio operators at my dad's base in Alaska, and they addressed the message individually... by name. He said it was very disconcerting to see your own name on a radio message sent by the Russians. Of course, that obviously had more to do with espionage than identifying an operator by his style, but it's a fun story to include along with this one so I thought I should mention it. So, while I'm sure it was confusion, with everyone interrupting (stomping on each other's messages), it wasn't as difficult for operators to distinguish who was typing as you might think... especially among operators who were quite familiar with each other.
I love your videos bc even though Titanic (the movie) was great it's really cool hearing the true story. I've always been curious about what food the passengers on the Titanic ate? Like how did it differ for each class and also did they have refrigeration on board? If you'd like to make a video answering these questions that would be awesome! 😏
What happened to the ones that died and were floating in the water when the Californian arrived ? Where they not brought on board and taken for proper burial? As cold as it was I would think there would have been a way to preserve them? Love your videos!! They are so informative and straight forward. Keep up the great work. :)
Your comment around 10:59 about his reaction upon being woken up. I get what you are saying as I am rubbish being woken up, but I don’t know, being a ships captain, it’s your job. My dad is a merchant navy captain, well not anymore as he works ashore but he still holds the title, has done numerous trips in various officer positions before being a captain. It was his job, being woken to that sort of thing was and is part of the job. Obviously these days it happens a lot less and as a merchant seaman the biggest worry is pirates 😬
Does anyone know if a ship surgeon was onboard the Carpathia? I ask because I know several people who were in the lifeboats needed medical assistance from things like hypothermia. A physician would have been extra valuable for this striation.
I saw another very detailed video about the Carpathia and the orders the captain gave to prepare to receive the survivors, and that video mentioned at least two doctors on board that were standing by to assist however possible. I think one was the ship’s surgeon and the other may have been a passenger?
A Night to Remember by Walter Lloyd said there were three doctors including an Italian and Hungarian doctor that the head doctor assigned to 2nd and 3rd class. Very odd that people where segregated and given medical treatment based on their class as they made it onto the ship that saved them. 😢
I never knew the Olympic offered to pick up the remaining survivors of the Titanic. How creepy if that is the right word would it be if the Olympic showed up? Thoughts anyone?
Can you do a video on the Frankfurt and the Mount Temple? The story of the Mount Temple is quite interesting. Yet we know almost nothing about the Frankfurt.
If the Carpathia would have been 5 miles away from the Titanic when the Titanic hit the iceberg, would there have been enough time evacuate everyone from the Titanic to the Carpathia and would the Carpathia have had enough space for all of the passengers that were aboard Titanic?
Probably yes. Even at 14 knots Carpathia would have been able to cover 5 miles in about 30 minutes or so, then they could have used both ships’ lifeboats to shuttle Titanic’s passengers to Carpathia (which is exactly what the lifeboats were designed to do, and Carpathia had 20 of her own that could have cut the rescue time in half). Carpathia’s capacity was 2,250 so it would have been really tight, but probably doable if all available space was used. They could have also waited for another ship to arrive, then transfer some passengers to lighten the load. As long as they could get everyone off Titanic before it sank, everyone would likely have survived.
Well boilers do have a margin of safety. Usually the "safe" maximum pressure is well below what a boiler can actually withstand if they aren't very old. So over pressuring the boilers can be dangerous if it goes beyond the boiler's actual max pressure rating. It's usually about 10 to 20 percent.
I'm a professional skipper (yachts). One gets used to be woken up by people in a panic with bad news. The worst being, 'someone has gone overboard'. By the way, Boxhall later realized it was a DR position and rectified it for later distress calls.
Before the passengers were allowed to disembark; titanic lifeboats were lowered into the white star berth. The 13 tiny craft were all that remained of the greatest ocean liner in the world.
Optical illusion!? Off to that video next. The spiritual side of me likes to think it was something else at play leading the Carpathia to the survivors.
Over pressurising a boiler isn't that dangerous if you know the ship, what it does mean is the engines need a total overhaul afterwards. That's why there is talk of the engines being damaged they certainly would have been, but that didn't matter because it saved all those people.
Please can I ask if we can have a video with the subject of 'with 20/20 hindsight what could have been done by the crew of the Titanic to keep it afloat after striking the iceberg until the Carpathia arrived?' Great videos though I really enjoy them, thank you! 😊
Titanic did not send out its first distress call until 12:25 a.m, April 15. It struck the berg at 11:39 p.m, April 14. That's 45 minutes. Capt. Smith took too much time. He also had his officers send off boats that were way less than half-full. The first ones to leave that carried more than 50 people went off a few minutes before 2 a.m., with about 20 minutes before sinking. So much tragedy and bad decisions.
They should make a movie that shows just a little bit of how it was, then show the Carpathia answering the Titanic distress calls and rescuing the survivors, then get to the sinking of the Carpathia
I love how, Harold, didn't yell at the officer's when they laughed at him, he just rushed to the captains cabin and told him right away. Also kudos to, Captain Arthur, for not snapping at, Harold, when he woke him up brutally
Good thing he didn't brush it off as a prank
Especially since everyone knew about the jokes. He took the time to listen and confirm
Worked on a 165' Motoryacht. Trust me, Captains aren't included in pranks. He knew, simply by being disturbed, how serious the message was.
@@FilosophicalPharmer You are right, no one makes pranks on Captains, who are respected by the other crew members. Sailors may joke between themselves, but never to a superior.
@@jmrodas9 Oh wow! It’s been a year? Queued!!! 👍🏼
Carpathia deserves her own full length feature film. That's such a wild story.
It could work because Carpathia did rescue Titanic survivors and did sink in world war I
The story of the Carpathia going to the rescue is a fascinating and interesting one. This could make a good movie of itself.
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Pretty sure the carpathia sunk to a u boat could be wrong though
The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" has a lot more about the RMS Carpathia, also mentions SS California's inaction...
I agree. I think it would make a really good movie, especially exploring the choices and risks the Captain had to assess. I really like movies that make me think about what I would do in those circumstances.
@@MillwallRobest yes she was sunk during WWI on 17 July 1918 after being torpedoed three times by the U boat U55 off the southern Irish coast with a loss of five crew members (killed in the torpedo strikes), all other passengers and crew abandoned ship and were picked up by the Royal Navy ship HMS Snowdrop, which also drove off the U boat with its guns.
Not gonna lie, but I think Ismay was right in suggesting that the Olympic not take the survivors, that would be even more traumatic. The people would think either they are seeing a ghost or have false hope that it was some weird bad dream. This was great, thanks for posting!
I agree, I think Ismay was concerned about that. Hate to sound cynical, but I think an ulterior motive is he didn’t want the added bad press of Titanic passengers arriving on another White Star liner. Also it just seems even riskier to try to transfer all those people at sea when the Carpathia could just take them to NYC. Think of the inconvenience to the Carpathia‘s passengers, but I’m sure most of them understood.
all that shit talk about ismay being a coward and all was totally untrue. he helped load the boats on the side he was on, together with andrews and the captain. he ONLY went in the very last lifeboat when all the women and children were gone where he was. he helped LOTS of people that night
@@skyguy1988 ITA. Ismay did his best to try and help people. I think a problem was that newspapers raised people against him, after learning he'd survived, in the days between the sinking and "Carpathia" reaching NYC and the truth coming out.
@@TorontoJediMaster plus if he went down with the ship, he couldn't have told the tale. he also couldnt have ENSURED that this never happens again . because he made it a priority to tell everyone ships MUST HAVE MORE LIFEBOATS.
@@skyguy1988 interestingly enough, more lifeboats probably wouldn’t have helped the Titanic. They didn’t even have time to actually launch all the lifeboats that they did have. (Two of the collapsibles were actually floated off the ship because they didn’t have time to launch them via the Davits. If there was another row of lifeboats inboard of the ones that were actually there, it would have condensed the deck space further, made it more cluttered, and quite possibly have slowed the process down to where even less lifeboats were actually launched.
C-3PO: Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating an iceberg field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Carpathia Captain: Never tell me the odds.
The captain doubled the lookouts and (I think) posted lookouts lower down on the ship, where they would have an easier time spotting icebergs before they hit their ship.
When asked about the risks he took running Carpathia through the ice field at high speed at night, Captain Rostron is said to have replied "I can only conclude another hand than mine was on the helm.".
He certainly had some help from up above. No one should have been able to do that at the speed they were going, as Titanic proved...
its kind of a miracle that the carpathia even found the life boats, i feel like it would have been like finding a needle in a haystack
Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the sinking of the Costa Concordia. RIP to the 32 people who died that horrible night.
@XenobladeClips No, he was sentenced to jail in 2017. He was only in parison since 2017.
@XenobladeClips yeah.
@XenobladeClips He's only been in prison for 4 years now.
@XenobladeClips 16 years and 1 month
His sentence should be longer.
The efforts the Carpathia captain made to get there was unbelievable. He is either extremely brave or a fool over pressurizing the boilers. That one fact was new to me. TYVM for the 411.
Boilers, even back then usually have a margin of safety of about 10 to 20 percent above what they are normally rated on as the "safe" maximum pressure. So usually the ship had a speed of 14 knots, if they over pressurized the boilers to their actual max pressure rating, 20% to get to 17 knots is about right. but any more than that 20% could have been a disaster. They knew what they were doing.
@@GeneralKenobiSIYE 10-20% is almost nothing, thats the range the safety valve respond, 10-20% isnt even enough to compensate wear, its like 10 bar operating pressure, but explodes at 11-12 bar. The safety margin is around 100-250% of the operating pressure.
Also speed to power ratio isnt linear, to get 20% over the construction speed, you need a loot more than 20% more power
I don't have any knowledge of ships or anything and I have never been that much interested in Titanic BUT for some reason the moment Rostrom' says 'tell Titanic we are coming as fast as possible' it makes me so emotional same with his statement when he ordered to 'shoot fireworks every 15 mins to give the survivors support and hope that help is on its way' these two orders for some reason makes me wanna cry for the efforts that amazing captain and the ship made to help a ship that was (as far as I know) belonged to a rival ship line! Both the ship and the captain are true heroes ♡
The film A Night To Remember did a fantastic job portraying Carpathia's roll during the Titanic disaster. One of the few things the Cameron film didn't feature in his film.
I agree
Best Titanic film ever made a night to remember 🕊🙏😇✝️
a night to remember is much much better and more accurate the james cameron's titanic. i prefer a night to remember. plus the love story of jack and rose is just cringe AF and ruins the whole thing
Ya a night to remember is better it tells more of titanic's story
@@skyguy1988 I suppose you'd call "Romeo and Juliet" cringe too. I'm so tired of people piling on the movie that led to the majority of us being interested in the Titanic in the first place. The romance "ruins" nothing, it adds stakes, investment and humanity to a tragedy A Night To Remember tells in a very stilted way (And it has its share of inaccuracies too, lol).
As others have already mentioned, the story of the Carpathia, her crew and passengers, as they went to assist the Titanic, would make a really good movie. We live in an age where TV tells us that crimes are solved in an hour, the good guys make the right decisions and usually win in the end. Real life is not so simple or black and white. In the real world, sometimes all you can do is calculate the risks and make the best choice you can. What was on the Captains mind as they headed to Titanic? What if a boiler blew out? They struck an iceberg?
If in the attempt to rescue, his own ship, crew, and passengers were at risk? Yet, doing nothing was not an option either. I’d love a movie that explored the human emotions and thoughts of those involved. I think it would be a really good topic for classroom discussions, exploring and debating the actions that occurred.
You are correct. A Carpathia movie would be really interesting.
I'd watch that
I think he considered Titanic was such a large ship, carrying so many people, the risks were worth running for the possibility of saving them.
Ooh yes brilliant comment. Would love a Carpathia movie and you are so right about how everything is seen as good and bad. I find it is getting worse as well.
Yeah in real life you make the best decision you can with the information you have at the time, you do your job as professionally as you can. How it turns out or how your actions are viewed in the benefit of hindsight is remembered is up to God or "fate" some people might say.
It's so important to be a good professional and trust in your training because I guess that's the only thing you can really control. Your own actions.
Well done Captain Rostrum.
Captain Rostrom’s response to Cottham was recorded as, ‘Tell him that we are coming along as quickly as we can.’ I’ve always thought that is one of the most dramatic and understated instructions in maritime history. Thank you for a very well researched video and for not having a go at Californian.
…. But the Carpathian and its Captain’s heroism is in stark contrast to the dereliction of duty of the Californian and its Captain.
@@Jasper7182009 true, but also take into account that maritime laws didn't require 24hr comms at the time. I'm not absolving the Californian for not responding but I also acknowledge that it wasn't entirely their fault
@@patriotforlife6592 it wasn't entirely their fault and it's questionable how much they could've helped, but they absolutely deserve criticism for doing nothing. It goes beyond the wireless. They visibly saw the ship listing in the water, they visibly saw Titanic's lights underwater, they visibly saw distress rockets, and they even saw the Morse lamp from the Titanic and failed to recognize it. They also spent half the night warning everyone about ice bergs. It was gross negligence at best
@@mithramusic5909 agreed
@@Jasper7182009 3 times the officers on the California's bridge, told the captain that a large ship to the south was firing rockets. They counted 7 rockets, But the captain just said try to contact her with the lamp? Why didn't say wake the wireless man and see if anything is amiss? So simple but he just didn't want to get out of his warm bed! Every first year cadet in those days knew rockets at sea mean 1 thing, HELP! then at the inquest the log books went missing.
I'm so glad you said how the Carpathia handled it. This is the first time I have ever heard anyone doing a video on this.
So many things could have gone wrong, its amazing how the Carpathia managed get there so fast and intact.
God bless the Carpathia.
Harold Cottam must have searched for his friend Jack Philips amongst the survivor’s. How incredibly sad.
He said he saw Jack Phillips dead in the water from the Carpathia.
@@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY This is news to me- Do you recall where you learned this?
There are a number of ships involved that night that aren't recognised enough.
The first is SS Mount Temple which, while too far away to save Titanic (about 70 miles compared to Carpathia's 58), still made a valiant effort to reach the stricken liner, her rescue mission brought to a stop only when she ran into the dense ice field surrounding Titanic. She reached Titanic's last reported position at 4:30am, yet found no sign of the ship or her occupants. Her captain calculated that Titanic had actually sank 8 miles further east and arrived at the correct location at 6am, just in time to see Carpathia taking the survivors onboard.
The second is Frankfurt, which historians believe was only 20 miles away from Titanic, her captain stating that he would arrive by 2am, well before Carpathia and saving the lives of those who died of exposure. Despite Phillips' belief that Frankfurt was close enough to render aid, he rudely dismissed the vessel when it asked for clarification on the vague message he had sent. (Despite popular belief, CQ D was not a distress call. Phillips was simply telling all ships in the area that he needed aid without actually stating what was wrong with his vessel) Why Phillips ignored a ship he believed to be close enough to help him in favour of communicating with ships too far away to be of any use is a mystery in itself. Despite this, Frankfurt's crew were not called upon to give evidence which might have cleared things up.
Another was the liner Birma, which Carpathia sternly refused aid from simply because she didn't carry a Marconi wireless set. (Yes, Marconi's rivalry with other firms was so bitter that their employees often refused to provide aid to any vessel that used rival technology)
This meant that Birma's minor yet crucial role in the disaster went largely unnoticed for over 70 years. The British inquiry ignored the evidence from both Mount Temple and Birma (both of which reached Titanic's supposed location, only to find Carpathia rescuing survivors miles to the north-east) that clearly showed that Titanic had broadcast a wildly inaccurate location, instead insisting that Californian was mistaken in where she was. It wasn't until 1990 that Birma's logs exonerated Californian from the stitch up the British inquiry had created.
that would certainly make sense. Thanks for telling us that.
Mount Temple was 49 miles away.
Exonerated is a stretch. They saw a weird vessel speeding into an ice field, an ice field they themselves were stopped by. They saw it abruptly stop and didn't think to hop on the ol wireless and see if it was anything. They saw flares, still didn't think to actually do anything other than run about to each other asking about the damn flares but never bothering to pop on and fucking ask. They saw what appeared to be Morse lamps and again ran around *talking* about it but did anybody try the Marconi sitting right there. Nope. Weird ship vanishes, did anybody finally hop on just to see. Lol get out of here with that shit, they fucked about some more and could not possibly bother to check. All this in an era where nobody thought twice about 40 hour shifts or only getting 6 hours of sleep or working months straight but no no let's let the Marconi dude sleep.
@@evil1by1 they did try to contact Titanic after first stopping for ice, trying to warn them of the ice field that had stopped them. Titanic's wireless man told him to "shut up", because the signal was loud and interfered with him passing passenger messages along to a shore station, Cape Race.
Both ships sent Morse messages, but neither could see the other, which meant they were further than 10 miles apart, which was the maximum effective distance. The officer on watch at the time could have awakened the wireless man to make inquiries - he didn't need Lord's permission to do that, but he apparently didn't possess the slightest modicum of curiosity.
Capt Rostron reportedly picked up and noted more lifeboats than were actually on Titanic, and this is never mentioned. When questioned by Lord Mersey at the British Inquiry, Mersey asked Rostron 'Altogether, how many boats did you pick up?', to which Rostron replied:
'We got 13 lifeboats alongside, and we picked up 13 lifeboats, two emergency boats, and two Berthon collapsible boats. One lifeboat we saw capsized and one of the Berthon boats was not launched from the ship. There was also a Berthon boat we saw capsized. This made a total of 20.'
Capt Rostron also compiled a full list of the survivors that Carpathia had rescued that morning and this was carefully compiled name by name when each survivor arrived on deck. Carpathia's wireless operator Harold Cottom then transmitted the full list as soon as it was complete and as passed on to him by Capt Rostron. But oddly, the list contained a total of 803 names. It's documented that only 705 people survived the disaster, so where did the extra 98 come from I wonder?.
I have to give Capt. Rostron, the preparations he ordered (this is when there were No Instructions for at sea rescues) were basically recommended by the Boards of Inquiry, word for word, to become the Written Instructions for How To Conduct A Rescue At Sea!!!
My 2x great uncle was rescued and said the captain was incredible. He credited him with his life.❤
Carpathia should have it's own movie. Cuz it is the most famous rescue ship so i think it should have it's own movie
Hey, I am a huge Titanic and Carpathia historian and you are the whole reason I started to get interested in it. I just hope you keep making these amazing videos.
That scenic image of the titanic in complete darkness except for the lights, shows what it really looked like. The area around the titanic wasn't brightly illuminated like in the 1998 Movie. It was very dark. They barely could even see the giant white iceberg which is why they hit it. Even if you were lucky enough to get into a lifeboat...by the time the titanic really started down fast all of the lights went out and everyone was in near pitch darkness minus the dim illumination of the stars/moon. Frightening to say the least
Absolutely brilliant video from start to finish.
Just imagine how horrific things could have been if Captain Rostron hadn't believed Cottam, and Cottam had just spent the rest of the night listening to people die?
It was actually a pretty courageous thing for a lowly wireless operator to barge into a captain's quarters and abruptly awaken him. Not only was it a time where class distinction was rigidly adhered to but this was also a matter of rank. It was a gross breach of discipline to override the normal chain of command. In other words - back then the lower class knew their place and didn't speak until spoken to by their betters.
There definitely would’ve been fewer survivors! The survivors were exhausted, crying, shivering, and hurting terribly when the Carpathia rescued them. There were other ships that picked up the Titanic’s distress call and tried to dash to her rescue too, but none of them started to arrive at the location until around the time the Carpathia had picked up the last of the survivors which was sometime between 9:30 and 10:00 that morning.
I wish there was a movie specifically based on THIS side of the story.
You could even include an extended epilogue of Rostron being universally praised for his conduct - Congressional Medal of Honor, Knighthood, the medal presented by Molly Brown, etc.
Two héros on the Carpathia. The wireless operator who decided to check one more time before shutting down for the night. And, of course, the Captain Rostron who reacted immediately.
He wasn’t even checking, he was just wearing his headphones while only in the process of getting undressed for bed and on no official duty at all.
Let's be honest here. Being a radio operator on any nearby ships would be have been really intense that night.
Anyone else feel like the Titanic is perpetually showing a sad face when you see pictures of the her underwater? I realize it’s due to the slumping of the bow on the seabed and how it impacted and deteriorated over time, however it just looks very sad. The stern as well due to the implosion it suffered, looks defeated. Really sad to see arguably the greatest ship ever made (mostly due to its tragic story) never complete her service the way she was intended to. Interestingly sad personification, I guess she also feels sad with her short career.
I would too, be upset if I show up at my first day at work only to die a few minutes later
It really is a scary looking wreck with its size appearing in the dark. Those rusticles all forming one direction with the current
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The optical illusion saved a lot of lives, also the guy that said no to the olympic definitely made a good call considering he must’ve been just as shaken up as all the other survivors
The optical illusion is also likely the reason the Titanic struck the iceberg in the first place.
@@Ronofthedead07 a gift and a curse
Captain Rostron was a brave man and a great sailor.
First rescue ship to reach the RMS Titanic . The Carpathia Rescued all the passengers in life boats, from the RMS Titanic.Captain Ralston of the Carpathia and The wireless Operator were very much instrumental in the rescue of the passengers of the RMS Titanic.
As a naval history nerd I know a bit about how ships of that era worked; boilers and engines for naval applications were built robustly with a decent margin for safety. Using arbitrary numbers, a ship's boiler designed to handle 200psi would have a safety margin of 10-20% where you could over pressure the boiler with out any damage or risk of catastrophic failure for limited amounts of time (basically your not cruising around in that margin all day). It was also the same with the engines they also had a margin of safety built into them. So the Carpathia's captain didn't really take that large of a risk provided he did not disable the safety valves on the engines and boilers that would open if the pressure exceeded the pre-built margin of saftey.
They knew how to squeeze every little bit of power and psi outta those engines. They were good at what they did.
Makes me laugh when people say this damaged the Carpathia's engines lol obviously not engineers
Actually, she "rode the 130s"! This is pushing the entire Steam System HARD... They valved off and bypassed the 110% & the 120% Safety Valves!
I feel that the Charge of the Carpatia should get greater attention!!! The 1958 film "A Night To Remember" does her more justice than the film "Titanic"!
Wanna pick your brain about this. I understand Titanic had a coal fire before leaving port. Apparently, it was so hot, it made the steel more brittle in that area. Unbelievable amount of coal carried in these ships!!
@@andyallen4554 True!! Plus, they were working under a lot of pressure.
Aloha, wonderful research and presentation. The Titanic must have turned into PANIC CITY once the majority of it’s passengers finally realized that the Titanic was not unsinkable. It’s eerie strange that so many of the life boats were not even filled to capacity. Passengers were not aware of the severity of the ship’s damages. Such a tragedy. R.I.P. all who went down.
Sounds like the man with flares is one of the biggest heros...given the Carpathia wasn't even given the correct location of where they were.
What a night to remember for all the survivors and the Carphathia crew
So glad I found your channel. I learn a lot more about the Titanic from you than anyone else other than Cameron himself. Love the outgoing attitude you have cause it makes the videos enjoyable to watch and listen to.
That audio clip gave me chills listening to it.
Great video as always.
This video is very informative, and interesting too. When one begins to think about the tragedy, one at times forgets the great adavances in technology that have occurred since then, and this video reminds one it was 1912, and even radio with spoken words did not exist. One had to understand the Morse Code to know what the messages sent by the ships said. The fact the Carpathia raced at over its rated speed to the scene, probably saved many passengers who would have died of hypothermia.
Sam I want to Thank you for doing your best with all the videos on the Titanic
When I heard “this is the Olympic” on the Marconi radio it sent chills, I have no idea why.
"WHY DID YOU BREAK IN?! HAVENT YOU HEARD OF-" "TITANIC IS SINKING"
It’s so crazy to think that the equivalent of what the captain did to the carpathias engines is the same thing as hitting NOS on a stock engine in a car. It can and should blow up by all accounts but it didn’t it’s just mind blowing.
Apparently, the engines had a safety margin. The captain and crew had the skill to push the boilers to the limit without overloading them.
@@GrapeCheckerBoard indeed, they must have known their ship inside out never mind what the safety margins say.
Guess you can always break the rules but only if you really know what you're doing.
Heroism without the knowledge to back it up is recklessness but thankfully the Captain knew his shit and got through it in one piece
Excellent thorough essay on this subject. It would've been so traumatic for the survivors to board the Olympic. A surreal moment.
Which is exactly why the Carpathia declined the Olympic’s offer to carry the survivors for them.
Hey Sam I was finally able to pick up my Christmas gift from one of my friends, "On A Sea Of Glass" I am so excited to dig in and read the book. Now I'll ace your quizzes and know even more about the Titanic!!!! Also the Titanic coal I got in my photo frame from the Luxor exhibit fell out some how so my husband secretly went and ordered me a larger chuck of coal. It came in a glass display case with a letter of authenticity. So cool. That's about all I'll ever own of the titanic but it is enough for me.
Do you know where your husband got the coal?
It’s a great book!
If I'm rich enough to own my own ship I will call her Carpathia. Such a badass name for a ship.
I have to let you know Iv been listening to you videos and I find them very informative, interesting, and enjoyable. You really have the facts down. Your inthusiazim is evident in you delivery of the narrative. Great job hope your still at it. You are exemplary with your wealth of details.
Greetings,
Absolutely stellar production. Excellent research and great delivery. Have been doing a lot of research about the Carpathia of late and have amassed a lot of specifications and early history from maiden voyage on. But you gave me more tidbits of info that I did not have.
This and the video of The Titanic in Her Own Words are the two best productions about the disaster yet. Yours for a yeoman's job with research and the narrative, and "In Her Own Words" for the ingenious and novel POV of that terrible night. I cried when I first heard it.
Thank you both for your fine efforts!!
PS: My grandmother (she was about 2-1/2 years old at the time) traveled to the New World on Carpathia in 1908 with her older sister, brother, and mother. Their father had come to the States a year earlier to settle in East Saint Louis before sending for his family to leave Hungary. So my family has a very loose connection to these great ships.
That is such an amazing connection to Carpathia. She transported so many people safely during her career. I believe five people were killed when she was torpedoed by the German U-boat in 1918.
If it isn’t Devine intervention that made the Carpathia’s wireless operator turn that radio on, I don’t know what is!!
It was just Devine intervention that Harold Cottam had stayed up a little later than usual and wore his headphones while on no official duty, just in the process of getting undressed for bed before shutting down the radio for the night.
This guy has some quality skills of analysis and narration...
Wish you success
Thank you for the video, old man
Thank you! I've been a Titanic enthusiast since I was a kid, but you rarely Ever hear anything about the Carpathia. Thank you for this. :-)
8:35 Harold had another big clue that it was really the Titanic that was sending the call for help: MGY, the brand new Marconi station on Titanic, was using very new, much improved equipment, the newly designed 5kW synchronous rotary spark transmitter. Not even the Olympic, the flagship of the class, had such a modern marvel. And this transmitter sounded differently than pretty much every other station in wireless range. From what i can find, except maybe a couple of land based Marconi installations on land where those transmitters were developed, nobody else had access to those models at the time.
And each Marconi station on the Atlantic had rough charts of time vs. distance to various ships that were updated for every trip. So if you know the pre-calculated distance to a ship and its transmitter power, an experienced operator can take a guess if the loudness he hears matches what the chart says it should be.
If the transmitter was that new, how would Harold knew how it sounds like?
@@wolf310ii It had a much cleaner tone than anything else on the ocean. And due to its long range, he might have heard other transmissions of Titanic before the emergency call. (The Titanic spend many hours before that sending out the backlog of passenger messages)
Amazing Series Sam! See you at your stream!
We need a movie on the Carpathia and her mad dash through iceberg-infested waters to each the Titanic... I would watch the hell out of this movie.
I hope they officers who laughed at Carpathia's radio guy apologized afterwards.
A few corrections: a larger ship (like RMS Titanic and even the RMS Carpathia & SS California) also have a white masthead light (360 degree visibility).
The name for various things aboard a ship have different names depending on the country the ship is from. For instance a ship's Dynamo (British) is the exact same thing as a ship's Generator (US). Hence Navigation Lights and Running Lights are probably both correct! (Of course it could also be one was what they called them in 1912 and what they called them in 1978 when I went "Haze Gray and Underway" in the US Navy....
In 1912, Signals were not standardize, so instead of using Red Distress Rockets & Flares, RMS Titanic used White Rockets and Green Flares....
Finally, Boxhall may have used the last reported position listed in the ship's log.... Not to mention the possibility of the current moving the lifeboats! (Also, between the Navigator's sightings you do your estimates by Dead Reckoning .)
Even under todays regulations, ships like Titanic would not have a 360° white top light.
The regulations for the top lights on the Titanic in 1912 were pretty similar to todays regulation. It must have a with light with an arc of 20 points of the compass, 10 points to each side, 20-40ft above the hull in front of the fore mast. It may have a second light similar to the first, 15 ft higher on the aft mast.
One point is 11,25°
Carpathia deserves her own movie
I'm a fairly new subscriber and I greatly admire your hard work and dedication to telling the tales of these great ships. Though sea-going liners are my first love I also enjoy tales of our land liners, the great passenger trains that crossed our country before Amtrak. One true tale that is hardly covered in video form is the 1952 incident of the snowbound streamliner, The City of San Francisco, which was trapped at the Donner Pass cut through on the old Southern Pacific railroad. It was covered in the book Snowbound Streamliner. I truly believe you would be the perfect person to turn this tale into a excellent video record for all to share on CZcams. Thanks again for your hard work.
Ditto
It’s pure amazing how much of the Titanic story is just people doing amazing things at amazing moments?
No it isn't.
Uh ya… it is… 🤷♂️
@@stormkelleh Titanic's crew firing flares at the wrong periods that Californian doesn't think it's distress flares, someone forgot to give the lookout crew some binoculars, some people trying to overload lifeboats and tip them over, and more.
@@Lazymotion and you don’t find that amazing?
@@stormkelleh How is it amazing?! The first example I gave made the Californian not come to Titanic's rescue, Not giving binoculars to the lookout crew made Titanic hit the iceberg and sink, overloading the boat made people drown! It isn't amazing! It isn't just about people doin right things, at the right time. So I still do not see your point, and you call the tragedies I mentioned above amazing?!
Discovered this channel a month ago and I’m blown away by your knowledge of the titanic. Really interesting videos
the chalish and medals I wonder what made the biggest impact of rostron? I can imagine he got more moved by a simple thank you for saving us.
Hearing all those ships talking at once is like a massive Discord call at sea
Another thing. Seafarers generally and Captains particularly are prepared to quick reactions,and ready decisions, this is part of the sea life,when they call you 15 mins before your watch starts and you must wake up,dress reaching the Bridge ready to relieve the watch in full operational conditions and clarity of mind. Abd you have to be ready at once to take decisions and give orders. That's seaman life. I did that for 41 years...
This video was so very informative and interesting.....such a good history lesson, teaching things l had never heard before....thanks for sharing your stories with us and please tell us more.
19:36 throw in a beat and those radio messages would go hard
Just imagine the California getting there 45 minutes before the Titanic went down and rescuing all but 50 or so passengers
Yes I loved this story and learning so much more. Thank you! When april comes I always think of the Titantic so thanks!
Thats the difference between a good captain and a normal bridge officer
Thank you for all information you’ve had collected to understand why Titanic sank how that tragic happened was very thoughtful I still looking for other video.
SS Californian to RMS Carpathia, 15 April 1912 07:00:
“Have received notification of loss of Titanic and are standing by to assist, please respond.“
RMS Carpathia to SS Californian:
“Message acknowledged, we are recovering survivors. Californian, please write down your message and send it to 01:00 14 April 1912 when it would’ve f*****g mattered. Thanks for nothing.”
Compare and contrast the actions of Captain Rostron with that of Captain Lord. What a difference one man can make. I know it wasn’t mentioned in the video, but Californian’s radio being turned off is no excuse, they watched the rockets from Titanic and didn’t even bother to ask the radio operator to switch on the set and see what was going on.
You were one of the heros that passed on the Titanic 🔮 in a past life 😮
20:12 - My dad was a radio operator in the US Air Force, he was stationed in Alaska and copied Russian radio transmissions. All Morse code is in English... it may be coded, but the code is in the English Alphabet, however, it wasn't uncommon for Russian operators to send uncoded messages in the open. The Americans did the same, it all depended on the security of the message itself - for instance, Johnny Cash (who was also a radio operator in the Air Force), was the first American to learn of Stalin's death, and he copied the transmission in the open, it wasn't coded... he then took it to his commanding officer to report what he had learned. Anyway, my dad told me that it was very common to begin learning each operator's transmission style; the way they typed on the telegraph became very unique to them, and a good operator could easily distinguish between other operators and were able to quickly tell who was "speaking" at any given moment. My dad told me that, often times, when there was a transfer, a Russian radio operator would suddenly disappear from a certain base, only to show back up at a new base across the country and, when he did, the operators used to listening to him would recognize him almost instantly as soon as he began typing out messages. And the Russians were able to do the same... at one point, the Soviets sent a "personalized Christmas message" to all of the radio operators at my dad's base in Alaska, and they addressed the message individually... by name. He said it was very disconcerting to see your own name on a radio message sent by the Russians. Of course, that obviously had more to do with espionage than identifying an operator by his style, but it's a fun story to include along with this one so I thought I should mention it.
So, while I'm sure it was confusion, with everyone interrupting (stomping on each other's messages), it wasn't as difficult for operators to distinguish who was typing as you might think... especially among operators who were quite familiar with each other.
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I don’t know if it’s already in the works but a history of the Carpathia would probably make for an interesting video :)
Hey Sam, thanks for all the videos! I really enjoy them!
you are the best history teacher.
Hey Sam, can you do a video on how the Carpathia sank? We would all like to know about that.
It was sunk by the Germans in WWI I believe... Took 3 hits from a sub before it finally sank and only 5 people died in the attack.
Can the next part of the series be the sinking of the carpathia?
I love your videos bc even though Titanic (the movie) was great it's really cool hearing the true story. I've always been curious about what food the passengers on the Titanic ate? Like how did it differ for each class and also did they have refrigeration on board? If you'd like to make a video answering these questions that would be awesome! 😏
What happened to the ones that died and were floating in the water when the Californian arrived ? Where they not brought on board and taken for proper burial? As cold as it was I would think there would have been a way to preserve them? Love your videos!! They are so informative and straight forward. Keep up the great work. :)
White Star Line chartered four ships and recovered 328 bodies, most of which were buried at sea or in Halifax.
It depended on the state of decay when found, I think.
The Californian and a few other ships actually did recover bodies of those who died in that frigid water.
Your comment around 10:59 about his reaction upon being woken up.
I get what you are saying as I am rubbish being woken up, but I don’t know, being a ships captain, it’s your job.
My dad is a merchant navy captain, well not anymore as he works ashore but he still holds the title, has done numerous trips in various officer positions before being a captain. It was his job, being woken to that sort of thing was and is part of the job.
Obviously these days it happens a lot less and as a merchant seaman the biggest worry is pirates 😬
Does anyone know if a ship surgeon was onboard the Carpathia? I ask because I know several people who were in the lifeboats needed medical assistance from things like hypothermia. A physician would have been extra valuable for this striation.
I saw another very detailed video about the Carpathia and the orders the captain gave to prepare to receive the survivors, and that video mentioned at least two doctors on board that were standing by to assist however possible. I think one was the ship’s surgeon and the other may have been a passenger?
A Night to Remember by Walter Lloyd said there were three doctors including an Italian and Hungarian doctor that the head doctor assigned to 2nd and 3rd class. Very odd that people where segregated and given medical treatment based on their class as they made it onto the ship that saved them. 😢
I never knew the Olympic offered to pick up the remaining survivors of the Titanic. How creepy if that is the right word would it be if the Olympic showed up? Thoughts anyone?
I think thats why they chose to tell them not to her after all.
Can you do a video on the Frankfurt and the Mount Temple? The story of the Mount Temple is quite interesting. Yet we know almost nothing about the Frankfurt.
If the Carpathia would have been 5 miles away from the Titanic when the Titanic hit the iceberg, would there have been enough time evacuate everyone from the Titanic to the Carpathia and would the Carpathia have had enough space for all of the passengers that were aboard Titanic?
Probably yes. Even at 14 knots Carpathia would have been able to cover 5 miles in about 30 minutes or so, then they could have used both ships’ lifeboats to shuttle Titanic’s passengers to Carpathia (which is exactly what the lifeboats were designed to do, and Carpathia had 20 of her own that could have cut the rescue time in half). Carpathia’s capacity was 2,250 so it would have been really tight, but probably doable if all available space was used. They could have also waited for another ship to arrive, then transfer some passengers to lighten the load. As long as they could get everyone off Titanic before it sank, everyone would likely have survived.
5 miles they could have seen the titanic hit an iceberg with their own eyes and gone to her rescue without even being sent an SOS ❤
Well boilers do have a margin of safety. Usually the "safe" maximum pressure is well below what a boiler can actually withstand if they aren't very old. So over pressuring the boilers can be dangerous if it goes beyond the boiler's actual max pressure rating. It's usually about 10 to 20 percent.
Thank you well presented...I never ever know this until now...I will be definitely looking at your other videos.
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Well done! Good presentation.
in the movie A night to Rember the Capen says what the devil haven't you learn to knock
I'm a professional skipper (yachts). One gets used to be woken up by people in a panic with bad news. The worst being, 'someone has gone overboard'. By the way, Boxhall later realized it was a DR position and rectified it for later distress calls.
Before the passengers were allowed to disembark; titanic lifeboats were lowered into the white star berth. The 13 tiny craft were all that remained of the greatest ocean liner in the world.
@@Lazymotionthey are talking about at the time
I'm a new subscriber to the channel. I think your videos are brilliant and very detailed. Excellent job. Love from Scotland.
Awesome video! Thank you for the explanations ! ⚓️
This needs a film to be made
Optical illusion!?
Off to that video next.
The spiritual side of me likes to think it was something else at play leading the Carpathia to the survivors.
Over pressurising a boiler isn't that dangerous if you know the ship, what it does mean is the engines need a total overhaul afterwards. That's why there is talk of the engines being damaged they certainly would have been, but that didn't matter because it saved all those people.
Your videos are really awesome 😺❤
Please can I ask if we can have a video with the subject of 'with 20/20 hindsight what could have been done by the crew of the Titanic to keep it afloat after striking the iceberg until the Carpathia arrived?' Great videos though I really enjoy them, thank you! 😊
Titanic did not send out its first distress call until 12:25 a.m, April 15.
It struck the berg at 11:39 p.m, April 14.
That's 45 minutes.
Capt. Smith took too much time.
He also had his officers send off boats that were way less than half-full.
The first ones to leave that carried more than 50 people went off a few minutes before 2 a.m., with about 20 minutes before sinking.
So much tragedy and bad decisions.
Great video Sam. I always enjoy your content.
I hope that you will do a video about the USS Indianapolis soon, Thank you
Light can travel around the earth 7 times in 1 second. It’s not hard to believe they saw that green light.😊
They should make a movie that shows just a little bit of how it was, then show the Carpathia answering the Titanic distress calls and rescuing the survivors, then get to the sinking of the Carpathia
I am excited that it is April titanic month