While you groom your comment, don't forget that many Muslims also affirmed how The Bible led them to Islam. If Dr. White led you to Catholicism, I am absolutely certain that you are not saved. Remember what Dr. Bart Ehrman attributed his then atheism and now agnosticism to: The Bible. Repent.
@@Merih98614 Actually no, when I became a Christian, I read the materials on Alpha and Omega Ministries website extensively. I found his coverage of Catholic issues to be biased and unconvincing. Of course, this did not singlehandedly make me a Catholic, but Reform doctrines on Sola scriptura, the atonement, the sacraments and church history as represented by Alpha and Omega helped me to the Church. I was received into Church in 2009.
I love the collegial spirit of this debate. Such attitudes do more to unite The Church than divide it. - From a humble reformed Baptist in search of Truth. ❤️🙏
@@laymanchristian1138 Likewise. From what I see, there’s a lot more Catholics exercising humility than Protestants at the moment. I’m saying this as a Protestant.
Yet not telling us at all how to have peace with God. He didn't even present the Roman Catholic position. Just parts of it that are generally in agreement.
@@KnightFel Christ Founded a United Church that canonized its Scriptures. The Devil inspired protestants to twist those scriptures to justify a thousand sub-cults that agree on very little other than their false representation of Christ's actual Church. Seems pretty straightforward to anyone not indoctrinated by these man-made cults' leaders.
@@Jrce11 Not at all brother. He spoke about maybe 10% of Roman Catholic Salvation. It's WAY more complicated and WAY off from the biblical gospel than he's saying. Be real. The Roman Catholic gospel is depressing and terrifying. Knowing your heart and your mind, the mortal sins of in thought one commits often, the breaking of the greatest commandment everyday, yeah, it's depressing. There is no peace in the Roman gospel.
The pastors of the flock of Protestantism pick and choose selectively which passages to twist to fit their versions of the "gospel" and what to leave out entirely or explain away. Jesus warned us of such "wolves in sheep's clothing" and that we would know them by their fruits--or lack thereof.
Lol, I have a legit question. White asserts that Protestants who actually practice "by Scripture alone" are more united than Christians who have tradition as well. Do you think that is really the case? Do you think White is probably defining away a lot of other Protestant Christians who would severely disagree with his understanding of the Bible?
Jimmy Akin also crushed and i mean DEMOLISHED bart Erhman in their debate on gospel reliability. He also played with “other paul” like a cat with string in their sola scriptura debate. The man is incredible and was the very first catholic i ever spoke to. I called into catholic answers to find out what they believed paul was talking about when it came to “taking the eucharist unworthily” i was still Protestant then and going to a methodist church. After the oyster crackers and grape juice at service one day i went home and was flipping through scripture and landed on that passage. I thought “was i worthy to take communion today? Was everyone in church today worthy as well?” Then i thought “how would you know?” I had already been investigating Catholicism for a time but still attended a methodist church. I decided to call in to catholic answers for the first time. Jimmy had me going back to the scripture and examining everything about the eucharist. Then what the fathers said etc… i was confirmed a year later.
Now, I am sure you now know it hurts not to be able to take communion. You can do one of two things: 1) cross your arms, and if your line is the priest. It's a blessing. Or. 2) get on your knees and say the famous prayer for those who cannot take communion by St. Alphonsus Ligouri But you do NOT take the Eucharist unworthily... it is Sacrilege. You can still go to Eucharistic Adoration also. If you have sins on your plate and again you can pray that prayer for when you can't take communion. Thanks for telling us the story of what communion is like in other churches. We only hear of what communion is like at Separated Brethern churches, temples or halls. Sometimes it is monthly we hear?? Welcome Home!
@@richardcastro1276 Yep. Im so glad to have learned! I was raised methodist and in our church communion was only 4 times a year on each quater of the year. Im not sure but i think they do it for the Wesleyan quadrilateral. Methodism is not a sola scriptura Protestant denomination. They hold to a quadrilateral ( scripture, personal experice, tradition, and logic) many methodists have never even heard of the quad. Most think theyre sola scripturists…. These days they say well scripture is the only ultimate authority but i cannot be understood without reason, personal experience, and tradition.
I don’t understand Mr. White’s strategy during these debates. His position during these debates is “I don’t like the Catholic Church for the following 8 reasons” even though they are talking about one subject.
And don’t worry, he’ll tell you about all his other debates he’s done too! Let’s just toss out 20 different topics that I believe are wrong about the Catholic Church, and then I’ll sit here and roll my eyes, smirk and laugh at questions, and act completely annoyed the whole time!
The fact that James White's channel of Aplha and Omega Ministries has comments turned off on all his videos, while Jimmy Akin's CZcams channel allows comments, is all you need to know. One of these individuals isn't afraid to defend the truth. The other is afraid to face the truth. I'll let those who read this decide for themselves who those individuals are.
Actually that says nothing more than that one is 10x more popular and thus attracts more bigots. I would also want to keep _my_ channel free from insults in the comment sections.
@@ora_et_labora1095 The very fact that James White doesn't allow commentary on his videos is a telltale sign he is afraid to face the truth. He is all about finding "his truth", but he is vehemently opposed to the truth. Whether or not some people choose to use the comments section for insults is irrelevant to this fact.
"Afraid to face the truth." Does more than 180 public moderated debates. Catholics multiple times, Muslims in their own mosques, shares the gospel outside mormon temples. Yep, he's downright terrified. @CantStopTheMattWalsh
@@SoliDeoGloria237 The same could be said of Jimmy Akin. He has done plenty of moderated debates. Shared the gospel. And debated against those outside of the Christian faith. The question then becomes, why is he willing to allow dialogue on his channel, but James White isn't?
@@CantStopTheMattWalsh The real question is, why do you engage in an Ad Hominem attack against Dr. White rather than engage with his views? Proverbs 14:7
Dr John Bergsma on pints with acquinas gives an excellent presentation on the biblical foundations of the priesthood. Dr Bergsma is an ex Protestant minister - and really hits a home run on the showing how the Bible teaches this
Sadly, my experience with Protestants is they seem to be of the entitlement of being the accuser of my Catholic faith. No matter of my deep and profound love of the Trinity, scripture, faith, hope and love, I’m not living a life of faith at least not in their eyes. May God have mercy on them.
That is how everybody feels when their faith is attacked; Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. Just remember that these arguments are about religiously binding authority and not your personal faith in God, regardless of how you practice it. These debates are really a book selling carnival that also brings in revenue for the hosting church. Remember that church numbers are down across the country, which means church revenues are down. It reminds me of wrestle mania for the church.
@@idankpoaugustine1983 The debate road show that speaks to two opposing teams? Check out the comments. I don’t see anybody turning to Christ… 😄 Evangelising whom? Are you sure this isn’t a sporting event? I’ll stick to solid teaching from either faith thank you. At least you can digest and look up what is being taught at your leisure and see if it makes sense.
Salvation is not by works and any vague definition of belief is sufficient unto salvation, unless you are Catholic, then you are surely damned. That's like the gospel, dude. It's literally what scripture says. I mean, why do you choose to be a member of the whore of Babylon? Join pastor Jim's church with me and become truly born again.
James White really seems like the type of Christian that turns people off of Christianity. He comes across as unpleasant, uncharitable, and evasive. I have questions about some of the doctrines of Catholicism. But, there is no doubt that Jimmy Akin is a far better ambassador for faith in Christ. It's not even close.
@@Silverhailo21 how does Jesus giving Mary over into the care of John establish RC Marian dogma? Do you think Jesus saying "behold" means she has some kind of power now?
Holy cow, White just started his concluding statement, and he's _yet again_ reminiscing about debates he did back 30+ years ago. Guy just can't move _on._ Somebody give him an intervention ...or else a retrospective on VH1!
Why wouldn't he? Arguments for truth do not change. Not now, not 2000 years ago. He's done so many debates that he's more than free to use the past to prove points. There is no need for him to change, no need for new arguments, especially when it comes to the gospel. Cry more.
Well, maybe he brings them up because in those times he actually had the opportunity to debate some honest, orthodox Roman Catholics. And because in his opening presentation Akin basically said that the Reformation was right, and salvation is by grace alone through faith alone, which is the main point the reformers fought for in the XVI c.
That final question to catholics thing just fell so flat. It's the same old trope that we catholics are nail-biting about our salvation. I don't know anyone like that. In fact, it's such a wonderful comfort knowing confession is there for us. What a gift the sacraments are!
White proposed the debate topic of The meaning of peace with God, then spends his entire response attacking ancillary teachings of the Catholic Church. Why did he propose a topic if he didn’t intend to debate it?
Jimmy Akin agreed with the affirmative position, i.e. his opponents from the get go, line by line. There is no where for the debate to go except for what the RCC teaches on what those points actually mean from dogmatic, doctrinal, and practical levels, which is where the debate did end up going.
James White is obviously filled with a demonic presence and the fruits of that serpent flow forth from him anytime he speaks. It is horrifying to behold.
Because he wants to point out that it is only through the finished work of Christ according to what the Scriptures teach that we have peace with God and not these other dogmas that reduces Christ work as insufficient
So many great parts in this debate. For example, I loved the part during Jimmy’s cross examination where White essentially affirms and denies important entailments of purgatory almost simultaneously.
I know we aren't suppose to judge as Christians, but as a Protestant I have to say that Jimmy Akin won this debate by using both scripture and history to back up his claims. It looks like reading through the comment section that seems to be the consensus. I am definitely more intrigued by Catholicism now more than before... I think there's certain so called "truths" that have been ingrained in all of us, but until you're willing to listen to the 'horses mouth' from the other side (not just accept what others have told you to confirm our preconceived notions), then you're not really open to the fullness of truth. (This can be applied to all traditions of faith).... My two cents.
@robertdelisle7309 Early Christians celebrated Mass, venerated saints, obeyed apostolic succession bishops and acknowledged the papacy - meaning they were capital C Catholics.
Tends to happen when your sister and brother in law convert to Catholicism despite his attempts to dissuade them. And then your sister goes on T.V to say he is really good at defeating strawman 😂. (Tbh I would feel the same in his place! No disrespect to the man)
Honestly I've never seen a debater lose so many debates consecutively, James White astonishes me. One of the single best Catholic Apologists it must MUST be a secret plan.
I remember before I came to the Catholic faith I learned I was Protestant and figured out the definition of Protestant was to Protest, and I was like Protest? What am I protesting, and after asking that question I became Catholic a year later.
You might want to spend time reading what Scripture says and see how much of it contradicts the Dogmas and doctrines of Roman Catholicism - they are all over the place. Sadly Mr. Akin was all over the place and trying to put words in James White's mouth instead of accurately representing Roman Catholicism.
Study the Protestant Revolution. Christian men had the skin peeled from their living bodies because the simply wanted to read the Bible. The Roman Catholic Church is pure evil
Probably protesting indulgences, exaltation of Mary, Catholic Priest Pedophiles, burning Christians for translating the bible into English, etc. Stuff like that I would imagine...
@@kcwmjb I find that Protestants often have a horrible understanding of Catholicism, whereas we also read scripture and in full not cherry picking and with very well thought out correlations and details and many years of knowledge and judgement and reason behind it. There is a big difference within different Catholic churches and peoples own personal faith is their own. The major problem is Catholic, Orthodox, and many Protestants feel other Christians are brothers and sisters, and some Protestants do not. That is this guy.
James White will have to answer for that. Cause he kept you away from the Truth. The church was created to guard the truth and the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. So if you were considering coming to the Truth and James White made you walk away then he’s in big trouble. 😞
I pray all who attended becomes catholic because of this. Jimmy is great at planting seeds and I hope everyone does their research and see the truth of the one true apostolic faith. Come on everyone. Jesus prayed for us all to be one church. Stop being prideful or ignorant about the faith. It’s time we all come back to Mass and worship Jesus our Lord the way we were meant to. God bless.
@ChristIsLord7, didn't you pay any attention to this debate? Especially, the opening statement? Hebrews clearly states that Christ offered Himself once for all time at the cross. It doesn't have to be repeated ever again. There's no need for a Re-Presentation which is actually a Re-sacrifice every Sunday. Yet the Roman Church blasphemes by doing this.
I pray that lost papists will be converted and regenerated by the Holy Spirit as they hear the Scriptures expounded. All papists are lost, including Akin.
It is interesting to note that the first reading for Sunday is in Acts 9, the Church is at peace when we walk with God. And we walk with God when we do what Jesus instructs us to do. All I came away with from Mr White is "I hate the Church". What I got from Mr Akin was "Repent, Believe, be baptised; and when I sin later, Repent, Believe and get forgiven." Sounds like walking with God and being at peace with God to me.
As a RC Bishop, I've decided to leave the Catholic Church after watching this video. Thankfully all the priests and nuns in my diocese are also leaving after I shared the video with them. Some of them even have plans to marry. Thank you James White!
I am the Pope and I can confirm, I am also leaving the Church after this video - I was really convinced by all of these arguments we were never taught in seminary before, but thanks to Mr. White, my eyes are opened! Ciao!
Wow thank u!! Someone with an open mind who doesn't think like a Democrat! Until reading this I thought I was the only one who thought James won the debate. The many who commented on here are,sadly,what is wrong with the Christian faith in America. I mean,look at the pope,the highest ranking Catholic priest on the planet. He is a heretic!! He affirms same sex couples!
I recommend to all who speak Spanish to watch the best apologist by far, his name is Padre Luis Toro. I have not seen anybody else debate as clearly as him using the bible. He is phenomenal, truly gifted and has helped many protestants return to the Catholic faith. I don't know if any of his debates have been translated to English, maybe someone out there can do this if allowed!
I'm not a fan of JW, but I started to feel sorry for him during the cross-examination when Jimmy Akin was questioning him. Jimmy did an excellent job, and I also liked his rebuttals. JW should consider retiring from debating after this one.
@@DD-bx8rb If he repents and comes to the Catholic Church, it's better for his soul. He can also bring others to the Catholic faith. I've seen Protestant converts bring many to the Catholic Church.
@@vigilantezack "The corruption of Rome" is simply an old Protestant myth aimed to damage the authority of Christ's holy Church. It is a combination of exaggeration of history, coupled with an attack on true doctrines. The Protestant threw out the most important and deepest aspects of the Faith. Pax
White is a brilliant well schooled Protestant but he is not a charitable statesman. Unfortunately, he comes across as a bit angry, rude, and a bit arrogant.
he acts as though it is a threat to his carefully cultivated, narrow worldview. If he were to give it even the slightest "benefit of the doubt" he acts like it might unravel his whole carefully crafted narrative.
Tillich (a Protestant (Lutheran) scholar) taught that we are to "embody the truth we advocate." If attitude were the base line of our truth, then White may want to rethink the impression his version of truth leaves on his hearers. While Akin can come across as a bit condescending at times, he certainly comes closer to charity in his presentation. BTW: The host did a good job of getting out of the way, maintaining dignity of the participants and managing the event as it unfolded.
I've been recommended by a Protestant pastor to listen to James White. Well here I am and I'm thoroughly unimpressed. He seems uncharitable, arrogant, and deliberately obtuse through many portions of his debates. Regardless of the intellectual content of the debate, Jimmy more broadly embodies the type of person I'd want to associate with.
James White: "It's obvious if you read the Bible that my minority, niche theology that excludes all apostolic and most protestant churches, is the only possible interpretation."
@@westb1028 There are contradictory ideas expressed in the NT. Romans 2:5-11. We are judged by deeds. That's the same Paul that y'all quote about saved by faith alone.
Sorry Mary never heard a prayer from anyone so you're wasting your time. Think about it she would 1. have to be omnipresent 2. all knowing [omnipresent 3 all powerful to be able to answer prayer, [omnipotent] Attributes that belong to God alone.
Dear@@joecannes2421, think about it -- Jesus declared that those who are dead in the world are alive in Heaven -- "The Lord is not the God of the dead, but of the living." (Mark 12:27 and Luke 20:38) "Death has been swallowed up in victory..." (1 Corinthians 15:54-56) And Jesus gave Mary to be mother to His beloved disciple (John 19:26-27) So she is mother to each one of us who call Jesus our brother. And Jesus gave John a Revelation which refers to this fact (Revelation 12:17) She does not need to be omniscient (I think that is the word you meant, rather than "omnipresent." It's a little different) to know what her millions of children say to her. She only needs the gift of God to be mother to us all. She does not need to be omnipotent to be one of the cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12:1), any more than you or I need to be omnipotent to have our prayers answered. Please learn what the Catholic Church teaches, and try not to think of Catholics as complete idiots. We are Christians, trying to be better Christians all the time.
Dear@@devadasn, I don't know how. God gave her that ability. to hear her children, when He gave her to "His beloved disciple" (to each of us who follows Jesus) from the Cross in John 19:26-27. Don't you think God is able to do this?
White has an annoying tactic of throwing out Greek words as if just saying the word is supposed to reveal some clarification. In reality, the tactic is supposed to convince the audience of White’s authority and therefore enhance his credibility. It is a bad debate tactic. Just saying a Greek word with no explanation of its relevance is not an argument.
"Just saying a Greek word with no explanation of its relevance is not an argument" Original Languages matter in this debate and Jimmy Akin cannot exegete. Also Roman Catholicism is false: czcams.com/video/UCbBUQztE6M/video.html&pp=ygUYcm9tYW4gY2F0aG9saWNpc20gZXJyb3Jz
@@samuelaguilar9668Make a list of timestamps of the number of times that James White uses a Greek word. Identify which of those times describes the context meaningfully as part of an argument relevant to the proposition. It should be easy enough to figure out whether the top level comment is correct or whether it is just speaking out of its own impressions.
@@samuelaguilar9668have you ever tried thinking for yourself? It's pretty powerful stuff. At least if you're going to submit your will in obedience, don't do it on behalf of an ego like James White's.
Question to James White: "Do you agree that 2+2=4?" James White: "Yes" Question to James White: "Do you agree that to arrive at the number 4 from adding two numbers together, that a *calculation* must have taken place?" James White: "No"
@@KnightFelfalse. We are not experientially perfect when we die, obviously. We need to be really perfect to enter heaven. Explain the change. Purgatory explains the change. White does not and cannot.
@@KnightFel The Gospel does not run counter to Purgatory. The Catholic Church could not to teach Purgatory if it was contrary. If you can point to the contradiction, then I will agree with you.
Yes it does Purgatory Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place. Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecclesiastes 12:14) Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Leviticus 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lamentations 3:39) St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory. Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD. 2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:29) Indulgence We have an express example of a temporal penance given and then relaxed (an indulgence), straight from the Apostle Paul. He imposed a penance on a man who had sinned (1 Corinthians 5:3-5). Later, he relaxed it:
He most certainly did not, IF you believe THE BIBLE. God's Word and God's Yruth. Not sinful fallible man's version of it. Your Choice. I trust God. He is trustworthy, faithful & perfect!!!🙏🙏🙏
One of the problems i find with protestantism is that they question and reject apostolic siccession, papacy and magisterium… and yet, they want all of those to reside in one person, in the person of the protestant pastor and each protestant followers.
“One of the problems I find with Protestantism is this thing that no Protestant argues for” the scripture alone is the infallible authority. The church is also an authority in the life of a Protestant, but isn’t infallible. Protestant pastors aren’t popes. We follow the apostles by following their teachings as communicated through scripture.
@@weselo8305Catholics are not that different, we also interpret the bible individually, however, when it comes to critical things such as baptism, how do we decide who interprets it correctly?
@@zeegovna5109 Ultimately on tough questions, you read the Word, listen to trusted people who have looked into it on different sides, and decide which position better aligns with the Word. There is no reason to think we have a single infallible interpreter (other than Scripture itself interpreting itself)
@@weselo8305but scripture itself doesn’t interpret itself, thats why i brought up baptism. I trust my protestant friend on many things, but he doesnt believe the same as me on baptism
Paul was right, a Jewish christian can't think he has the golden ticket and God owes him something. God can't be wrestled into submission based on someone's heritage.
@@catholictruth102 The Reformed view is not the same thing as Once Saved Always Saved. The Westminster Confession has an entire chapter on the perseverance of the saints.
Akin was sparky throughout the debate. Secondly, he never addressed the actual Reformed and Scriptural position. He kept using strawman fallacies. Furthermore, the Bible does teach Sola scriptura many times over. Westminster Confession 1:6. By good and necessary consequence. Additionally, the phrase "word of God" is l9gically deduced from Scripture just as the word Trinity does not occur in the text but is perfectly a biblical term.
As a Protestant for over 60 years, I have now moved even closer to converting to Catholicism after listening to this debate. Mr White's obvious distain for Catholics and his arrogance (sir, you need not constantly make reference to how many times you have debated Catholics) only distracts from his arguments. If you can not present your position w/out constantly attacking your opponents, your argument appears weak. During this debate, it was weak. Thank you Mr Akin!
All people must fight to keep emotional attachments from overtaking reason. As a former Baptist, I can't tell you how many times I was discouraged from using the gray matter between my ears.
@@goyonman9655 Name one person in every century since 33 AD who believed what you believe. I'm a former Baptist. I've spent thousands of hours looking. They didn't exist before the 16th century. Even Calvin would have would have labeled all of today's contradictory Baptist sects as heretical.
30:05 Yes these quotes are verbatim although quoted from different sections of the Cathecism: 571 Comes from Nicenean Creed, which we repeat at almost all masses. All days of the year, throughout the world in different languages. 571 is under the section of the Creed which is what we believe stated in the Creed about the Son. Oh and there is a reference *Hebrews 9:26* 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 1545 appears in the Sacraments-Service (mass) section under heading " The one prieshood of Christ" Ref, Hebrews 8:4 and St. Thomas Aquinas. 2771 This is related to how we pray, this is in the Our Father prayer. But to understand it all you'd have to read entries 2767 to 2776... with several bible verses referenced. This whole section is beautiful. I pray the Our Father several times daily. Good to know the Church's details on this prayer.
I became Catholic after 30 ish years evangelical. Bad theology =bad marriage. Grateful things have improved after we both became Catholic. Praying for James White and his marriage.
@@sarahd5341 Hi, Sarah. You do realise, do you not, that Catholicism claims that Paul was and is Catholic, that Galatians is a Catholic book, that Galatians is inspired, and that it was the Catholic Church which included Galatians in the canon of inspired books, so that Galatians is in the Bible? I'm not here asking you to agree with the Church's claims, but just to recognise that the Church understands Galatians to be part of God's revelation and so part of His patrimony to the Church. Since the Church holds that God is one, and that truth is one, whatever the Church holds about the question of salvation, of justification, of the relationship between faith and works has to be compatible with what Paul taught the Galatians and wrote to them in his letter. Again, I'm not asking you to agree that the Church's doctrine on these matters is compatible with Galatians, but only that She understand that it is compatible. The question then is, what does the Church understand about these matters, and about what Paul taught the Galatians, which allows Her to think that they work well together? Clearly what Protestants claim the Church reaches is not compatible with what Protestants claim Paul teaches the Galatians, so there is a fundamental disagreement between Catholic and Protestant about what the Church teaches on these matters and what Protestants claim the Church teaches about these matters. Since it is the Church teaching about what She teaches about these matters, the reasonable supposition is that Protestant claims about Catholic teachings are mistaken.
James makes Jesus out to be liar and undependable, no less that he did NOT lead his Church to ALL TRUTH. Jesus made numerous statements about his Church, nearly 2000 years before James came along: Christ is the head of his Church (Col 1: 18) Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15) Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15) Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10) *Christ PROMISED to lead it to ALL Truth.* (Jn 16: 13) Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20) Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail (it will not teach doctrinal error) ; (Mt 16: 18)
@@clemenaparente9773 True This: James disagrees with ALL kinds of protestant denominations - and Sola Scriptura gives him no authority to say his fallible interpretation of scripture is right, and they wrong.
"If you wish to persuade and convince me without fail: first be able think my thoughts inside your mind, second feel my feelings as someone in my circumstances would, and third, produce my my words but through your voice." Marcus Tullius Cicero
James you are right. The. Blessed man is just like paul who in acts was baptized calling on his name for the washing away of his sin. Peter says baptism now saves you! So yes the free gift of initial justification is a free gift. But as is said by Paul and Jesus you must persevere in the faith to be saved. Faith without works is dead (james) . You are his Workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works,that you should walk in them. Ephesians.10
There's no such thing as "initial justification." Also, keep reading the verse on baptism. You all always stop there. Proof texting is useless. Your quotation on Ephesians 2: 8-10 is perfeclty consistent with reformed theology. You are saved by faith alone, not faith + works. Works comes after faith, that's why you're saved for, that's what you're created for, and not works to prove to God anything, but for your neighbor and to glorify God. Rome says no, you need works along with faith to increase in justification, which is utterly false. You proved Dr. White's point.
Baptism saves in the same way the Ark saved Noah. It does not impart salvation, only the death of Christ does that. And it does that by grace through faith. Regeneration doesn’t even save you, even if baptism did regenerate you, which it does not. The only thing that gives salvation is God’s grace, and we can only receive that grace through faith.
@@fuelmotive8716baptism is only salvific because of God obviously, but for you to say baptism does not regenerate would mean you stand against the entire history of the church beginning to end. I assure you, the church was not entirely in error prior to your coming. You are not the saviour of the church.
@@Jrce11 I did not say that the entirety of Christian’s are in error “prior to my coming” nor did I say I was “the savior of the church.” There is one savior of the Church and that is Christ Jesus, and saying that I made any statements even close to that is ridiculously stupid.
@@fuelmotive8716 you are here to correct the entire church on the issue of baptism despite what nearly every single early church writer had to say on the matter, correct?
Imagine spending decades arguing with people and still not understanding the faith you are arguing for, that unfortunately is James White. I think he means well, he’s just so angry that it makes it hard to tell.
I don’t think he understands his opposition either. And yes, he comes off as so very angry. The body language, the eye rolls, the smirks. It’s extremely unsettling
@@gc3563 Yeah he does understand the opposition. The only ones claiming that he doesn't understand Roman Catholicism are youtube apologist. None of his opponents on the stage have claimed that his understanding is incorrect. So your comment means nothing.
@@KnightFel if my comment means nothing, and that’s fine it’s just my opinion, then same goes to you. You are entitled to your opinion as well, but your comment means nothing.
Pastor Brian Gunter speaking at 5:02-07: "The question of tonight's debate is 'How does one find peace with God'"? Response: Jesus speaking to His disciples at the Last Supper in John 14: 27 (NASB): “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful." Answer: Likewise, wouldn't Christians find this gift of peace from Jesus at their own commemoration of His Last Supper?
White should have selected a different topic as he's all over the map - wanting to know about: the Sacraments, the role of Mary as Mediatrix of all Graces which come to us ultimately from Jesus' death on the Cross, the Holy Mass, Purgatory, Indulgences, etc. If White wanted to talk about that we'd all be happy to listen, but he should have selected a different topic or add more nights to allow for additional topics.
Hey admin, I think you've accidentally mislabeled your video. I've been an admin for my church's CZcams page and made the same mistake, all good hehehe.
"A protestant that doesn't know why he's protestant is an easy convert waiting to happen". -Dr. James White I love to hear this brother share and defend his strong convictions concerning on our Christ.
Brother White was very clear and he is using only Bible as a reference for his ststements. While mr. Akin was using a fragments of Bible, words of church fathers-fallen man, and avoiding sirious questions regarding Mary, purgatory, saints, and other stories which you can't find in Holy Bible. To many grey zones in roman catolicism which has producted faulty system, while Bible and Gospel of Jesus is very simple letter to fallen man.
Thanks to both debators for their time. I do notice a prevalence in the comments claiming James "lost" yet a suspicious lack of addressing the disagreement which would have made him "lose"
they never give a reason, "just James lost the debate. I'm a stronger catholic because of him" its the same old same old with theological debates. consistency is key and White is very consistent in his arguments. that's the problem people have with him.
An elementary school Catholic catechism student could have told Dr White that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was once and for all time. Dr White just doesn’t understand Catholic teaching. Maybe someday he’ll actually put aside his assumptions and honestly listen. I pray for his conversion.
It was a 16th century reinterpretation, that no one before Hus ever held, and that very few protestant sects can fully agree on even to this day. It is almost like, personal interpretation of the Bible without the wisdom of the Majesterium and guidance of the Holy Spirit leads to error and faction.
James W. NEVER answered the question: “WHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS THE DOCTRINE SOLA SCRIPTURA?” He deflected to different topics because… he knows it’s not written. The balanced approach is Both Oral Tradition through the apostles AND scripture.
The debate was done respectfully, though there was not so much new content as I have listened to so many such debates before. Chances of converting either way based on such debates is minimal, but useful FIY only. To claim that either one won the debate is not sensible because we are different religions and what seems beautiful to the other is repugnant to the other. Ultimately, preaching of the gospel is the most effective means of wining souls to the Lord and the Spirit of God makes conversions happen using the seed sown through the gospel! Even proud hearts get convicted and yield to the truth!
@@Jerome616 that is where our fundamental difference lies and I am surprised James, did not address this emphatically! Protestantd believe no amount of human effort can ever earn you anything heavenwards. All our best are as good as worthless rugs (Isaiah 64:6 Philippians 3:7-9) That is why you will never hear of protestants canonising anyone as a saint. Our so called 'saintliness' look good when compared to other human beings, with also a lot of secret sins being unknown, but before the Holy presence of God no creature is fit to stand guiltless(Romans 3:23). So to answer Jimmy's question, the Lord made it clear he who has the son has life(1 John 5:12) and Christ's imputed righteousness is enough to get you into heaven, anytime any day! (Romans 5:1-2 Romans 10:4,13).
As a Catholic I always try and take the side of the opposition in a debate in the interest of truth, but it is actually really difficult to try and be on James Whites side because he is way overly aggressive and insanely prideful it oozes from his demeanor and the way he speaks and after two hours its extremely tiring
Jimmy is astoundingly good. James was baffled, he didn't know how to deal with Jimmy's presentation at all cross x that he didn't understand what was going on.
I am a convert to Catholicism from Protestantism. My life and relationship with Christ are His and the rest is history! Celebrating the Holy Mass is the most precious part of my life! I have to say for Protestants to even use the word “intercede” I’m sure trips them up too…
Im surprised more people aren't pointing out how Jimmy completely ignores Whites arguments are goes on with his prepared slides. You might agree with Jimmy but this is a technical loss on the debate stage
Remember, James White is the best Protestantism has to offer. Catholicism simply is too strong an argument to defeat. I was in the Calvinist cult and upon experiencing God, He led me to His church - the Catholic Church that has remained in succession from the first century till today. Whereas the Protestants came 16 centuries later and drastically changed the faith and made a new religion - not only removing 7 books of the Bible that they disagreed with, but changing the faith itself. It has divided Christendom and divided it into oblivion. God tells Satan is the divider. God tells us He is not the author of confusion.
I am just now coming out of the reformed world, after 20 years. Catholicism just makes more sense. When I finally stopped to think about why there are so many divisions and endless splitting I realized sola scriptura and private judgement were the main reasons, but behind them was the rejection of the authority of the church. That’s the core of Protestantism. The result is individualism, subjectivism, and relativism. I haven’t watched the debate yet, but Akin clearly won the last one.
I saw an angry, arrogant, pridefully proposed account of scripture with a dizzying amount of circular logic, lobbing attack after attack on his opponent… And then there was Jimmy Akin. All of the Catholic doctrinal issues James White mentions taking issue with are soundly defensible by way of biblical teaching, including Marian devotion as our intercessor (notice: NOT Marian worship).
Let's suppose that this is what Jimmy did. If in fact you agree with a possible Catholic position on this central issue of the Reformation, then there is literally no reason to remain Protestant. Everything else stands or falls on this issue.
@@benabaxter The priesthood, purgatory, Marian dogmas, the Papacy, indulgences, praying to the saints, working to increase your "initial" justification are all excellent reasons why not to cross the Tiber.
I think Jimmy mentioned this was a different kind of debate where each person brought forward their own positive positions, rather than debate a disagreement
@@KnightFelwhy not dive into those topics instead of dismissing them with surface level information or misinformation? I'm a former rabid anti-Catholic and I was fed a load of lies. I debate online and I have yet to come across a protestant who actually disagrees with Catholicism. They always disagree based upon misconceptions and misinformation that are fed to them by people like James White and John MacArthur.
Excellent performance once again by both James (Akins and White). Mr. Akins had a good command of this exchange, probably because his visual aids (Powerpoints) helped the audience follow his argument unfold with clarity. Thank you Jimmy Akins for the great job in bringing clarity to this topic and to show that both Catholics and good willed Protestant denominations have been moving the dialogue on justification forward toward a unified understanding. May we be united in love and doctrinal truth and avoid disputing unnecessarily over words.
A lot of Catholic homers on here. It's a fool's errand to declare a "winner" at a debate. Rarely is anyone's mind changed at a debate. Almost exclusively each individual will be satisfied with his/her respective representative. As a reformed Baptist myself, I could easily point out how White repeatedly pointed out Akin's theologic inconsistencies and semantic quibbling.
James White - spends two hours being vicious, petty, and uncharitable to Catholics. Host - "stick around for James White's free seminar on how to love Catholics" 😂😂😂😂
Would you have said that to Elijah, on Mount Carmel, when he was chastising the people of Israel, and subsequently ordering the deaths of all the false prophets? James was tame, by comparison. False gospel teaching is damnable. The apostle Paul used the anathema word against those who preached a false gospel. James was tame, by comparison....
@@michaelsowerby8198 It's Whites lack of knowlege of Christianity and his belief that he has knowledge that is the problem. If he himbles himself Christ will make him Catholic
Can you name an example in this debate where James was being vicious or petty beyond what would be considered acceptable in a debate format? Timestamps would be awesome.
He may of had to borrow one. Who knows ..he's traveling. Better a tad too big than too small. 💕🌷 God Bless Dr James White....he's an incredible Debator, full of wisdom. ✝️
If James White (or any baptist) want to evangelize Catholics, as was the topic of his talk the next night, one needs to ask at a minimum, and answer the following questions to Catholics: - Show who in the first 1,500 years of Christianity interpreted scripture as you do, that the bread and wine in the bread of life discourse are symbolic or figurative only. - Explain how Christendom error'd so fast, so universally on this point? - Explain why one should follow the fallible gospel of JW and not all of Christendom for those first 1,000 plus years? - Explain how Jesus was undependable and that he lied when he said that he would lead his church to ALL truth? - Explain how could his Church have errored with his promise in place (so too, the Church is the pillar and bulwark of TRUTH) - Is Jesus is not powerful enough nor faithful enough to mean what he said? - Admit that you are fallible - Admit that since you are fallible, you could be in error with your personal and fallible interpretation of scripture, and the Catholic Church right on the nature of the Eucharist. - Explain how it is that you trust that your New Testament canon is right, when it was decided by the 4th c Catholic Church, Catholic Bishops who would disagree with your interpretation of scripture repeatedly, no less on the Eucharist. - Explain how it is that you believe your Old Testament is right, when those 4th c Bishops said it was 46 writings? - Explain how is it that you trust them to get the New Testament right, yet they error'd on the Old Testament - and they ALL celebrated the Mass which you reject? (note, there were no protestant churches at the time) _So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him_
If you want to stay Protestant, you throw out some of the Sacraments like marriage, for example. That puts marriage into a legal communion rather than a holy union instituted by G_d which opens it up to all sorts of attacks against the family such as birth control, abortion, divorce, etc.
@@Luke-ms5hn Marriage is not a sacrament. It is a covenant between a man and a woman and Almighty God. What GOD hath joined together let NO MAN or WOMAN put asunder. Not even the papists have the authority to divorce or annul a covenant between God and a man and woman.
This is amazing. The debate was fascinating, the comments just as much. Akin's refusal to hold ground on Rome's dogmatic teaching and differ to what we all agree on is an interesting debate tactic. I guess you can't lose if there's no disagreement. And just as intriguing is how many eat up Akin's words seemingly due to his kind tone. The bottom line is that all of us can pretend that we agree with just about anything if we interchange a given term's definition to fit our individual theological positions.
I'm Orthodox Christian so I don't agree with Catholicism but we agree on 99.9% of things. Jimmy Akin is a gift from God. I only like James White when he is debating atheists. Jimmy Akin demolished him here. I hope Mr. White gets over his hatred for Catholics.
@@andycopeland7051 Catholics, Orthodox, and many if not most Protestants accept that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Some Protestants do not, 2 billion or so Christians are all wrong and going to hell. This is that guy.
I can always tell when someone is a liar or when someone is honest. Take this thread...Basileusnilus claiming Jimmy "demolished" him shows me he is a liar. Of course you can think one guy made better points and won the debate, but no one was demolished here. Both guys stated their case clearly and articulately. It's always easy to spot truth tellers from the liars...you just have to look for it.
Watching James White try to support his positions is like watching someone try to build a house of cards on a paddle board in the ocean. As a former Protestant, I find listening to him to be a faithful building because it makes me so thankful for the solid ground I now stand on in my Catholic faith and union with Christ together with his Church.
Nothing has to happen right after death because we will fully bare the image of the heavenly at that point. Our earthly bodies are sown in dishonor and it is raised in glory.
If you're reading this, watch Dr. White's debate against Trent Horn on eternal security. That debate, along with the Pat Madrid vs James White debate on Sola Scriptura is what opened my eyes to the truth of Catholicism, having watched both as a Baptist.
I like that the editor edited out the dead air whenever someone goes up to the podium. It made the video have better pacing.
Mr. White helped lead me to the Catholic Church in 2004.
While you groom your comment, don't forget that many Muslims also affirmed how The Bible led them to Islam. If Dr. White led you to Catholicism, I am absolutely certain that you are not saved. Remember what Dr. Bart Ehrman attributed his then atheism and now agnosticism to: The Bible. Repent.
Oooooffff lol. Happy to have you with us!!!
Jimmy Swaggart the televangelist helped me come back to the Catholic Church in the early 90s.
That's a lie.
@@Merih98614 Actually no, when I became a Christian, I read the materials on Alpha and Omega Ministries website extensively. I found his coverage of Catholic issues to be biased and unconvincing. Of course, this did not singlehandedly make me a Catholic, but Reform doctrines on Sola scriptura, the atonement, the sacraments and church history as represented by Alpha and Omega helped me to the Church. I was received into Church in 2009.
As a protestant, Jimmy did exceedingly better than I could have expected. Also, love the hat and beard!!
Jimmy Akin is the man. He's our hidden gem here in the Catholic Church. A cyborg sent from the future to save the Church.
I love the collegial spirit of this debate. Such attitudes do more to unite The Church than divide it. - From a humble reformed Baptist in search of Truth. ❤️🙏
Good on you for your honesty and humility. Thanks for comment. Us Catholics can really learn from you Protestants.
@@laymanchristian1138 Likewise. From what I see, there’s a lot more Catholics exercising humility than Protestants at the moment. I’m saying this as a Protestant.
His hat and beard is like a real-life Yosemite Sam.
Praised be Jesus Christ for the gift of Jimmy Akin, a humble and learned gentleman. Pax
Yet not telling us at all how to have peace with God. He didn't even present the Roman Catholic position. Just parts of it that are generally in agreement.
@@KnightFel Christ Founded a United Church that canonized its Scriptures. The Devil inspired protestants to twist those scriptures to justify a thousand sub-cults that agree on very little other than their false representation of Christ's actual Church. Seems pretty straightforward to anyone not indoctrinated by these man-made cults' leaders.
Praised be Jesus Christ indeed for blessing us with the wisdom and humility of Jimmy Akin. His insights shine as a beacon of knowledge and joy :)
@@KnightFelhe very clearly answered. You’ve got beams in your eyes brother.
@@Jrce11 Not at all brother. He spoke about maybe 10% of Roman Catholic Salvation. It's WAY more complicated and WAY off from the biblical gospel than he's saying. Be real. The Roman Catholic gospel is depressing and terrifying. Knowing your heart and your mind, the mortal sins of in thought one commits often, the breaking of the greatest commandment everyday, yeah, it's depressing. There is no peace in the Roman gospel.
Faith without love is dead.
The devil believes, but he has no love for God or neighbor.
The pastors of the flock of Protestantism pick and choose selectively which passages to twist to fit their versions of the "gospel" and what to leave out entirely or explain away. Jesus warned us of such "wolves in sheep's clothing" and that we would know them by their fruits--or lack thereof.
May God bless you with wisdom, understanding and knowledge Akin..
As a Lutheran, well done Jimmy.
Lol, I have a legit question. White asserts that Protestants who actually practice "by Scripture alone" are more united than Christians who have tradition as well.
Do you think that is really the case? Do you think White is probably defining away a lot of other Protestant Christians who would severely disagree with his understanding of the Bible?
Based
Haters of the failed coup Revolt leader Martin Luther's followers follow him to the bottomless abyss
You must be one of the super liberal Lutherans that James White was talking about! 🤣
Well, done for Not addressing James White's opening statement in Hebrews and Romans.👋
Jimmy Akin also crushed and i mean DEMOLISHED bart Erhman in their debate on gospel reliability. He also played with “other paul” like a cat with string in their sola scriptura debate. The man is incredible and was the very first catholic i ever spoke to. I called into catholic answers to find out what they believed paul was talking about when it came to “taking the eucharist unworthily” i was still Protestant then and going to a methodist church. After the oyster crackers and grape juice at service one day i went home and was flipping through scripture and landed on that passage. I thought “was i worthy to take communion today? Was everyone in church today worthy as well?” Then i thought “how would you know?” I had already been investigating Catholicism for a time but still attended a methodist church. I decided to call in to catholic answers for the first time. Jimmy had me going back to the scripture and examining everything about the eucharist. Then what the fathers said etc… i was confirmed a year later.
Now, I am sure you now know it hurts not to be able to take communion. You can do one of two things:
1) cross your arms, and if your line is the priest. It's a blessing. Or.
2) get on your knees and say the famous prayer for those who cannot take communion by St. Alphonsus Ligouri
But you do NOT take the Eucharist unworthily... it is Sacrilege.
You can still go to Eucharistic Adoration also. If you have sins on your plate and again you can pray that prayer for when you can't take communion.
Thanks for telling us the story of what communion is like in other churches. We only hear of what communion is like at Separated Brethern churches, temples or halls. Sometimes it is monthly we hear??
Welcome Home!
@@richardcastro1276 Yep. Im so glad to have learned! I was raised methodist and in our church communion was only 4 times a year on each quater of the year. Im not sure but i think they do it for the Wesleyan quadrilateral. Methodism is not a sola scriptura Protestant denomination. They hold to a quadrilateral ( scripture, personal experice, tradition, and logic) many methodists have never even heard of the quad. Most think theyre sola scripturists…. These days they say well scripture is the only ultimate authority but i cannot be understood without reason, personal experience, and tradition.
Your bias is showing.
Welcome home Brother
James White knocked it and jimmy out of the park
I don’t understand Mr. White’s strategy during these debates. His position during these debates is “I don’t like the Catholic Church for the following 8 reasons” even though they are talking about one subject.
Fact. That's been his style for years and years now, he's deranged. So full of hate for Catholics and Mother Church.
He does it every time
And don’t worry, he’ll tell you about all his other debates he’s done too! Let’s just toss out 20 different topics that I believe are wrong about the Catholic Church, and then I’ll sit here and roll my eyes, smirk and laugh at questions, and act completely annoyed the whole time!
Yet you keep watching
@@LogousTo listen to Mr. Jimmy Akin or Trent Horn, yes.
The fact that James White's channel of Aplha and Omega Ministries has comments turned off on all his videos, while Jimmy Akin's CZcams channel allows comments, is all you need to know.
One of these individuals isn't afraid to defend the truth. The other is afraid to face the truth. I'll let those who read this decide for themselves who those individuals are.
Actually that says nothing more than that one is 10x more popular and thus attracts more bigots. I would also want to keep _my_ channel free from insults in the comment sections.
@@ora_et_labora1095 The very fact that James White doesn't allow commentary on his videos is a telltale sign he is afraid to face the truth. He is all about finding "his truth", but he is vehemently opposed to the truth.
Whether or not some people choose to use the comments section for insults is irrelevant to this fact.
"Afraid to face the truth." Does more than 180 public moderated debates. Catholics multiple times, Muslims in their own mosques, shares the gospel outside mormon temples. Yep, he's downright terrified. @CantStopTheMattWalsh
@@SoliDeoGloria237 The same could be said of Jimmy Akin. He has done plenty of moderated debates. Shared the gospel. And debated against those outside of the Christian faith.
The question then becomes, why is he willing to allow dialogue on his channel, but James White isn't?
@@CantStopTheMattWalsh The real question is, why do you engage in an Ad Hominem attack against Dr. White rather than engage with his views? Proverbs 14:7
Well done to First Baptist Livingston for facilitating these debates. Bravo. An excellent production.
Dr John Bergsma on pints with acquinas gives an excellent presentation on the biblical foundations of the priesthood. Dr Bergsma is an ex Protestant minister - and really hits a home run on the showing how the Bible teaches this
An integral interview in my conversion to be sure.
It was an embarrassment to scholarship.
Praise God that He has graced me with ears to hear the truth of THE GOSPEL.
I hope you heard that
Truth from Dr. White, for in this debate there is only one Truth.
@@Merih98614😂😂
Sadly, my experience with Protestants is they seem to be of the entitlement of being the accuser of my Catholic faith. No matter of my deep and profound love of the Trinity, scripture, faith, hope and love, I’m not living a life of faith at least not in their eyes. May God have mercy on them.
That is how everybody feels when their faith is attacked; Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox.
Just remember that these arguments are about religiously binding authority and not your personal faith in God, regardless of how you practice it.
These debates are really a book selling carnival that also brings in revenue for the hosting church. Remember that church numbers are down across the country, which means church revenues are down.
It reminds me of wrestle mania for the church.
@@djpodestawhat a shallow view of evangelism.
@@idankpoaugustine1983 The debate road show that speaks to two opposing teams? Check out the comments. I don’t see anybody turning to Christ… 😄 Evangelising whom? Are you sure this isn’t a sporting event?
I’ll stick to solid teaching from either faith thank you. At least you can digest and look up what is being taught at your leisure and see if it makes sense.
Salvation is not by works and any vague definition of belief is sufficient unto salvation, unless you are Catholic, then you are surely damned. That's like the gospel, dude. It's literally what scripture says. I mean, why do you choose to be a member of the whore of Babylon? Join pastor Jim's church with me and become truly born again.
May God have mercy on you.
James White really seems like the type of Christian that turns people off of Christianity. He comes across as unpleasant, uncharitable, and evasive.
I have questions about some of the doctrines of Catholicism. But, there is no doubt that Jimmy Akin is a far better ambassador for faith in Christ.
It's not even close.
How can you be an ambassador for faith in Christ when he believes in the absurdity of the Marian dogmas?
@@KnightFelthe Marian dogmas are beautiful. You should look into them. As Christ said to St John at the cross, behold your mother.
@@KnightFel the absurdity is that you don’t believe in them.
@@KnightFelhe said ambassador, not correct doctrine. He’s simply saying he does a better job evangelizing.
@@Silverhailo21 how does Jesus giving Mary over into the care of John establish RC Marian dogma? Do you think Jesus saying "behold" means she has some kind of power now?
Great Job Jimmy Akin👍 As always clarity thru charity 🙏🇻🇦✝️
Holy cow, White just started his concluding statement, and he's _yet again_ reminiscing about debates he did back 30+ years ago. Guy just can't move _on._ Somebody give him an intervention ...or else a retrospective on VH1!
Did he even win those debates or something? He keeps bringing them up like he won a superbowl or something
Why wouldn't he? Arguments for truth do not change. Not now, not 2000 years ago. He's done so many debates that he's more than free to use the past to prove points. There is no need for him to change, no need for new arguments, especially when it comes to the gospel. Cry more.
@@KnightFel Insane cope
@@KnightFelcope lolz
Well, maybe he brings them up because in those times he actually had the opportunity to debate some honest, orthodox Roman Catholics. And because in his opening presentation Akin basically said that the Reformation was right, and salvation is by grace alone through faith alone, which is the main point the reformers fought for in the XVI c.
That final question to catholics thing just fell so flat. It's the same old trope that we catholics are nail-biting about our salvation. I don't know anyone like that. In fact, it's such a wonderful comfort knowing confession is there for us. What a gift the sacraments are!
❤ amen
It was certainly true for me.
White proposed the debate topic of The meaning of peace with God, then spends his entire response attacking ancillary teachings of the Catholic Church. Why did he propose a topic if he didn’t intend to debate it?
Jimmy Akin agreed with the affirmative position, i.e. his opponents from the get go, line by line. There is no where for the debate to go except for what the RCC teaches on what those points actually mean from dogmatic, doctrinal, and practical levels, which is where the debate did end up going.
That's because those ancillary teachings of the catholic church are 100% required and imposed on you and do not give you peace with God.
James White is obviously filled with a demonic presence and the fruits of that serpent flow forth from him anytime he speaks. It is horrifying to behold.
Because he wants to point out that it is only through the finished work of Christ according to what the Scriptures teach that we have peace with God and not these other dogmas that reduces Christ work as insufficient
That is because White can't defend his position.
So many great parts in this debate. For example, I loved the part during Jimmy’s cross examination where White essentially affirms and denies important entailments of purgatory almost simultaneously.
thats because he realized that he was agreeing with the pope 😅
I know we aren't suppose to judge as Christians, but as a Protestant I have to say that Jimmy Akin won this debate by using both scripture and history to back up his claims. It looks like reading through the comment section that seems to be the consensus. I am definitely more intrigued by Catholicism now more than before... I think there's certain so called "truths" that have been ingrained in all of us, but until you're willing to listen to the 'horses mouth' from the other side (not just accept what others have told you to confirm our preconceived notions), then you're not really open to the fullness of truth. (This can be applied to all traditions of faith).... My two cents.
Keep digging, my brother! The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, but you must be open to receive it.
Early Christianity was Catholic.
You are well on your way. God Bless you on your journey.
@@fantasia55no, the early church was catholic not Catholic.
@robertdelisle7309 Early Christians celebrated Mass, venerated saints, obeyed apostolic succession bishops and acknowledged the papacy - meaning they were capital C Catholics.
The questions from Akin forced White to basically admit his hatred for Catholics outweighs his love for the truth.
Agree. To me, White comes across as a religious bigot.
Tends to happen when your sister and brother in law convert to Catholicism despite his attempts to dissuade them.
And then your sister goes on T.V to say he is really good at defeating strawman 😂.
(Tbh I would feel the same in his place! No disrespect to the man)
True. His hatred makes him blind, unable to see the truth.
Pride is a great enemy of truth.
This right here! ☝🏼
Both are brilliant, thanks.
Honestly I've never seen a debater lose so many debates consecutively, James White astonishes me. One of the single best Catholic Apologists it must MUST be a secret plan.
I think you're onto something
Conspiracy theories! They make you feel like you're onto something. :)
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God BLESS This Church for hosting this debate!
I happen to live relatively close to Livingston, Louisiana
I remember before I came to the Catholic faith I learned I was Protestant and figured out the definition of Protestant was to Protest, and I was like Protest? What am I protesting, and after asking that question I became Catholic a year later.
Shallow reasoning and a sound bite caused you to become roman catholic?
You might want to spend time reading what Scripture says and see how much of it contradicts the Dogmas and doctrines of Roman Catholicism - they are all over the place.
Sadly Mr. Akin was all over the place and trying to put words in James White's mouth instead of accurately representing Roman Catholicism.
Study the Protestant Revolution. Christian men had the skin peeled from their living bodies because the simply wanted to read the Bible. The Roman Catholic Church is pure evil
Probably protesting indulgences, exaltation of Mary, Catholic Priest Pedophiles, burning Christians for translating the bible into English, etc. Stuff like that I would imagine...
@@kcwmjb I find that Protestants often have a horrible understanding of Catholicism, whereas we also read scripture and in full not cherry picking and with very well thought out correlations and details and many years of knowledge and judgement and reason behind it. There is a big difference within different Catholic churches and peoples own personal faith is their own. The major problem is Catholic, Orthodox, and many Protestants feel other Christians are brothers and sisters, and some Protestants do not. That is this guy.
God bless you Jimmy.
James White is not a dummy, but was pivotal in my decision to become Catholic. Tonight he continues with that tradition.
Welcome home in advance ❤
How
I became Catholic. And after 10 years of practicing this faith and getting no closer to God....Guys like White are making more and more sense.
James White will have to answer for that. Cause he kept you away from the Truth. The church was created to guard the truth and the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. So if you were considering coming to the Truth and James White made you walk away then he’s in big trouble. 😞
@@private2371 then you weren’t looking hard enough.
Jimmy's cross-examination of James was BRUTAL. I kept looking around for a referee to stop the fight.
FUNNY BRO !!!
Bro 😂😂😂
I pray all who attended becomes catholic because of this. Jimmy is great at planting seeds and I hope everyone does their research and see the truth of the one true apostolic faith. Come on everyone. Jesus prayed for us all to be one church. Stop being prideful or ignorant about the faith. It’s time we all come back to Mass and worship Jesus our Lord the way we were meant to. God bless.
Amen!❤
@ChristIsLord7, didn't you pay any attention to this debate? Especially, the opening statement? Hebrews clearly states that Christ offered Himself once for all time at the cross. It doesn't have to be repeated ever again. There's no need for a Re-Presentation which is actually a Re-sacrifice every Sunday. Yet the Roman Church blasphemes by doing this.
I pray that lost papists will be converted and regenerated by the Holy Spirit as they hear the Scriptures expounded. All papists are lost, including Akin.
@@Michael-yl9rlMay God grant papists the new birth and conversion to the Christ of Scripture.
Salvation is only a possibility????
It is interesting to note that the first reading for Sunday is in Acts 9, the Church is at peace when we walk with God. And we walk with God when we do what Jesus instructs us to do.
All I came away with from Mr White is "I hate the Church". What I got from Mr Akin was "Repent, Believe, be baptised; and when I sin later, Repent, Believe and get forgiven." Sounds like walking with God and being at peace with God to me.
As a RC Bishop, I've decided to leave the Catholic Church after watching this video. Thankfully all the priests and nuns in my diocese are also leaving after I shared the video with them. Some of them even have plans to marry. Thank you James White!
Lmao who would actually believe this?
😆 😂 😆 Why would a Bishop turn his back on the Holy Eucharist!!!
I am the Pope and I can confirm, I am also leaving the Church after this video - I was really convinced by all of these arguments we were never taught in seminary before, but thanks to Mr. White, my eyes are opened! Ciao!
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡. oh yeah… this video sure was convincing.
Wow thank u!! Someone with an open mind who doesn't think like a Democrat! Until reading this I thought I was the only one who thought James won the debate. The many who commented on here are,sadly,what is wrong with the Christian faith in America. I mean,look at the pope,the highest ranking Catholic priest on the planet. He is a heretic!! He affirms same sex couples!
I recommend to all who speak Spanish to watch the best apologist by far, his name is Padre Luis Toro. I have not seen anybody else debate as clearly as him using the bible. He is phenomenal, truly gifted and has helped many protestants return to the Catholic faith. I don't know if any of his debates have been translated to English, maybe someone out there can do this if allowed!
Thank you
I agree. I have learned so much from Fr Luis Toro.
I'm not a fan of JW, but I started to feel sorry for him during the cross-examination when Jimmy Akin was questioning him. Jimmy did an excellent job, and I also liked his rebuttals. JW should consider retiring from debating after this one.
I hope White continues. His debates result in the conversion of many to the Catholic Faith
@@DD-bx8rb If he repents and comes to the Catholic Church, it's better for his soul. He can also bring others to the Catholic faith. I've seen Protestant converts bring many to the Catholic Church.
@@gto2111 Yes, good point
@@DD-bx8rb The opposite seems true. He does help people see past the corruption of Rome and come back to Christ and the gospel.
@@vigilantezack "The corruption of Rome" is simply an old Protestant myth aimed to damage the authority of Christ's holy Church. It is a combination of exaggeration of history, coupled with an attack on true doctrines. The Protestant threw out the most important and deepest aspects of the Faith. Pax
White is a brilliant well schooled Protestant but he is not a charitable statesman. Unfortunately, he comes across as a bit angry, rude, and a bit arrogant.
It is because he is full of the demonic. The oppression of the Evil One is palpable anytime he speaks.
he acts as though it is a threat to his carefully cultivated, narrow worldview. If he were to give it even the slightest "benefit of the doubt" he acts like it might unravel his whole carefully crafted narrative.
Tillich (a Protestant (Lutheran) scholar) taught that we are to "embody the truth we advocate." If attitude were the base line of our truth, then White may want to rethink the impression his version of truth leaves on his hearers. While Akin can come across as a bit condescending at times, he certainly comes closer to charity in his presentation. BTW: The host did a good job of getting out of the way, maintaining dignity of the participants and managing the event as it unfolded.
So he comes off as a Protestant
@@Philip__325 hahaha
I've been recommended by a Protestant pastor to listen to James White. Well here I am and I'm thoroughly unimpressed. He seems uncharitable, arrogant, and deliberately obtuse through many portions of his debates.
Regardless of the intellectual content of the debate, Jimmy more broadly embodies the type of person I'd want to associate with.
Same here.
Glad to hear it, brother. Much love from the Catholic Church.
Associating with people who come across as charitable doesn't save and doesn't mean his message is correct.
@@KnightFel CoPe James lost
@@KnightFelsimply saying "I believe" doesn't save you either 👍
James White: "It's obvious if you read the Bible that my minority, niche theology that excludes all apostolic and most protestant churches, is the only possible interpretation."
So true
Exactly! Only the opposite of what you said. 😂 It’s straight Bible, just repent and believe, enough disobedience.
@@westb1028
There are contradictory ideas expressed in the NT.
Romans 2:5-11. We are judged by deeds. That's the same Paul that y'all quote about saved by faith alone.
@sliglusamelius8578 these aren't contractions. It says WE are to judge by actions, not God
@@SneakyEmu
False. Romans 2:5-11 says that we will be judged by God by our works! It's right there! Read it.
Mama Mary pray for us Lord Jesus I Trust in You! ❤️🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Sorry Mary never heard a prayer from anyone so you're wasting your time. Think about it she would 1. have to be omnipresent 2. all knowing [omnipresent 3 all powerful to be able to answer prayer, [omnipotent] Attributes that belong to God alone.
Dear@@joecannes2421, think about it -- Jesus declared that those who are dead in the world are alive in Heaven -- "The Lord is not the God of the dead, but of the living." (Mark 12:27 and Luke 20:38) "Death has been swallowed up in victory..." (1 Corinthians 15:54-56)
And Jesus gave Mary to be mother to His beloved disciple (John 19:26-27) So she is mother to each one of us who call Jesus our brother. And Jesus gave John a Revelation which refers to this fact (Revelation 12:17)
She does not need to be omniscient (I think that is the word you meant, rather than "omnipresent." It's a little different) to know what her millions of children say to her. She only needs the gift of God to be mother to us all. She does not need to be omnipotent to be one of the cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12:1), any more than you or I need to be omnipotent to have our prayers answered.
Please learn what the Catholic Church teaches, and try not to think of Catholics as complete idiots.
We are Christians, trying to be better Christians all the time.
Is she omnipresent? No! How does she hear your prayers?
Dear@@devadasn, I don't know how. God gave her that ability. to hear her children, when He gave her to "His beloved disciple" (to each of us who follows Jesus) from the Cross in John 19:26-27.
Don't you think God is able to do this?
Dear@@joecannes2421, no, she would only need to be open to the gifts of God, Who IS omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent.
White has an annoying tactic of throwing out Greek words as if just saying the word is supposed to reveal some clarification. In reality, the tactic is supposed to convince the audience of White’s authority and therefore enhance his credibility. It is a bad debate tactic. Just saying a Greek word with no explanation of its relevance is not an argument.
"Just saying a Greek word with no explanation of its relevance is not an argument"
Original Languages matter in this debate and Jimmy Akin cannot exegete.
Also Roman Catholicism is false:
czcams.com/video/UCbBUQztE6M/video.html&pp=ygUYcm9tYW4gY2F0aG9saWNpc20gZXJyb3Jz
@@samuelaguilar9668Make a list of timestamps of the number of times that James White uses a Greek word. Identify which of those times describes the context meaningfully as part of an argument relevant to the proposition. It should be easy enough to figure out whether the top level comment is correct or whether it is just speaking out of its own impressions.
you are correct, as with all protestants, they claim authority over the bible
@@samuelaguilar9668have you ever tried thinking for yourself? It's pretty powerful stuff. At least if you're going to submit your will in obedience, don't do it on behalf of an ego like James White's.
@@samuelaguilar9668 CoPe, White got humiliated and lied during the debate.
Question to James White: "Do you agree that 2+2=4?"
James White: "Yes"
Question to James White: "Do you agree that to arrive at the number 4 from adding two numbers together, that a *calculation* must have taken place?"
James White: "No"
exactly, he hates Catholics so much that he will refuse to agree with the pope on anything haha
May I ask what the point is of you quoting this? Thank you.
@@andrewmiles2370 denial of purgatory is irrational
😂He dodging
Haha, that’s actually pretty accurate.
Wow,,, James really just refused to deal with Jimmy on purgatory… Holly cow. That’s the whole reason we are here man. Answer the questions.
He did by explaining the gospel. No need for purgatory when we have the gospel. James already exposed purgatory against Horn anyways.
@@KnightFelfalse. We are not experientially perfect when we die, obviously. We need to be really perfect to enter heaven. Explain the change. Purgatory explains the change. White does not and cannot.
@@KnightFel The Gospel does not run counter to Purgatory. The Catholic Church could not to teach Purgatory if it was contrary.
If you can point to the contradiction, then I will agree with you.
Yes it does Purgatory
Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practises abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Psalm 66:12 (RSV) Thou didst let men ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water; yet thou hast brought us forth to a spacious place.
Isaiah 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. (cf. 1:25-26; 6:5-7; Ecclesiastes 12:14)
Micah 7:9 I will bear the indignation of the Lord because I have sinned against him, until he pleads my cause and executes judgment for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I shall behold his deliverance. (cf. Leviticus 26:41, 43; Job 40:4-5; Lamentations 3:39)
St. Jerome considered this verse a clear proof of purgatory.
Malachi 3:3 he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, till they present right offerings to the LORD.
2 Maccabees 12:44-45 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. (cf. 1 Corinthians 15:29)
Indulgence We have an express example of a temporal penance given and then relaxed (an indulgence), straight from the Apostle Paul. He imposed a penance on a man who had sinned (1 Corinthians 5:3-5). Later, he relaxed it:
@@KnightFelwhere?
I think Jimmy very calmly and politely wiped the floor with James' arguments.
He most certainly did not, IF you believe THE BIBLE. God's Word and God's Yruth. Not sinful fallible man's version of it. Your Choice. I trust God. He is trustworthy, faithful & perfect!!!🙏🙏🙏
One of the problems i find with protestantism is that they question and reject apostolic siccession, papacy and magisterium… and yet, they want all of those to reside in one person, in the person of the protestant pastor and each protestant followers.
Even just from a practical level of unity, it makes no sense.
“One of the problems I find with Protestantism is this thing that no Protestant argues for” the scripture alone is the infallible authority. The church is also an authority in the life of a Protestant, but isn’t infallible. Protestant pastors aren’t popes. We follow the apostles by following their teachings as communicated through scripture.
@@weselo8305Catholics are not that different, we also interpret the bible individually, however, when it comes to critical things such as baptism, how do we decide who interprets it correctly?
@@zeegovna5109 Ultimately on tough questions, you read the Word, listen to trusted people who have looked into it on different sides, and decide which position better aligns with the Word. There is no reason to think we have a single infallible interpreter (other than Scripture itself interpreting itself)
@@weselo8305but scripture itself doesn’t interpret itself, thats why i brought up baptism. I trust my protestant friend on many things, but he doesnt believe the same as me on baptism
Imagine being sick in the hospital and James White is your chaplain 🤣
“What do you mean you are suffering? All of our suffering was completed in the death of Christ, you can’t really be suffering”
🤣 nice one brother 🤣
"I truly hope you never prayed a rosary and are one of the elect."
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. Great job, Dr. White!
God will be Gracious to whom he will be Gracious. Thank you, Lord, for saving a wrech like me! For the praise of His glorious Grace! 🙌
Paul was right, a Jewish christian can't think he has the golden ticket and God owes him something. God can't be wrestled into submission based on someone's heritage.
@JimmyAkin is one of most gracious debaters while being stern without being a scoffer.
not once did Jimmy Akin address James White's opening statement in Hebrews and Romans. I wonder why 🤔
@@johnhartnett3629Ironically Hebrews and Romans both refute James White’s view of eternal security. Hebrews 10:26, Romans 11:22.
@@catholictruth102 The Reformed view is not the same thing as Once Saved Always Saved. The Westminster Confession has an entire chapter on the perseverance of the saints.
@catholictruth102 The warning passages do not prove that election is conditional.
Akin was sparky throughout the debate. Secondly, he never addressed the actual Reformed and Scriptural position. He kept using strawman fallacies. Furthermore, the Bible does teach Sola scriptura many times over. Westminster Confession 1:6. By good and necessary consequence. Additionally, the phrase "word of God" is l9gically deduced from Scripture just as the word Trinity does not occur in the text but is perfectly a biblical term.
As a Protestant for over 60 years, I have now moved even closer to converting to Catholicism after listening to this debate. Mr White's obvious distain for Catholics and his arrogance (sir, you need not constantly make reference to how many times you have debated Catholics) only distracts from his arguments. If you can not present your position w/out constantly attacking your opponents, your argument appears weak. During this debate, it was weak. Thank you Mr Akin!
Well said!
The more i learn about history, the more i love being Catholic.
Quite the opposite for me
History has prevented me from being Romanist
Yes, l love, love, love my Catholic faith! So full, so well developed, so beautiful and majestic - like Christ Himself!
All people must fight to keep emotional attachments from overtaking reason. As a former Baptist, I can't tell you how many times I was discouraged from using the gray matter between my ears.
@@goyonman9655 Name one person in every century since 33 AD who believed what you believe. I'm a former Baptist. I've spent thousands of hours looking. They didn't exist before the 16th century. Even Calvin would have would have labeled all of today's contradictory Baptist sects as heretical.
@@goyonman9655feel free to be a Byzantine then
30:05 Yes these quotes are verbatim although quoted from different sections of the Cathecism:
571 Comes from Nicenean Creed, which we repeat at almost all masses. All days of the year, throughout the world in different languages.
571 is under the section of the Creed which is what we believe stated in the Creed about the Son. Oh and there is a reference *Hebrews 9:26*
26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
1545 appears in the Sacraments-Service (mass) section under heading " The one prieshood of Christ"
Ref, Hebrews 8:4 and St. Thomas Aquinas.
2771 This is related to how we pray, this is in the Our Father prayer. But to understand it all you'd have to read entries 2767 to 2776... with several bible verses referenced. This whole section is beautiful. I pray the Our Father several times daily. Good to know the Church's details on this prayer.
I became Catholic after 30 ish years evangelical. Bad theology =bad marriage. Grateful things have improved after we both became Catholic. Praying for James White and his marriage.
Yay, Protestants can get you to Jesus but can’t do much for you after that.
That’s a rude and accusatory statement. You’re implying James White has a bad marriage because he’s a Protestant? Gross.
@@sarahd5341idk about his marriage but clearly he has bad theology since he's a heretic
@@revelation20232 Protestants are not the ones committing the Galatian heresy (adding works to the gospel).
@@sarahd5341 Hi, Sarah.
You do realise, do you not, that Catholicism claims that Paul was and is Catholic, that Galatians is a Catholic book, that Galatians is inspired, and that it was the Catholic Church which included Galatians in the canon of inspired books, so that Galatians is in the Bible? I'm not here asking you to agree with the Church's claims, but just to recognise that the Church understands Galatians to be part of God's revelation and so part of His patrimony to the Church. Since the Church holds that God is one, and that truth is one, whatever the Church holds about the question of salvation, of justification, of the relationship between faith and works has to be compatible with what Paul taught the Galatians and wrote to them in his letter. Again, I'm not asking you to agree that the Church's doctrine on these matters is compatible with Galatians, but only that She understand that it is compatible. The question then is, what does the Church understand about these matters, and about what Paul taught the Galatians, which allows Her to think that they work well together? Clearly what Protestants claim the Church reaches is not compatible with what Protestants claim Paul teaches the Galatians, so there is a fundamental disagreement between Catholic and Protestant about what the Church teaches on these matters and what Protestants claim the Church teaches about these matters. Since it is the Church teaching about what She teaches about these matters, the reasonable supposition is that Protestant claims about Catholic teachings are mistaken.
When James is confirmed into the Catholic faith some day, Jimmy will probably be his confirmation sponsor. Gonna be great
Amen🎉
What a charitable thought to have.
I wish I had that kind of hope for him.
I'll keep praying....🙏❤🕊✝️👑⛪
Thank you for not censoring comments here.
As per usual, we can listen to the authority of James White, or the Church established by Jesus.
James makes Jesus out to be liar and undependable, no less that he did NOT lead his Church to ALL TRUTH. Jesus made numerous statements about his Church, nearly 2000 years before James came along:
Christ is the head of his Church (Col 1: 18)
Christ''s Church is the pillar of truth (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is the bulwark of truth. (1 Tim 3: 15)
Christ's Church is where the manifold wisdom of God is made known. (Eph 3: 10)
*Christ PROMISED to lead it to ALL Truth.* (Jn 16: 13)
Christ PROMISED that he would NEVER leave it. (Mt 28: 20)
Christ PROMISED that the gates of hell would not prevail (it will not teach doctrinal error) ; (Mt 16: 18)
fr lol
To put it simply, there is no greater authority than Sola scriptura but Sola White😆.
@@clemenaparente9773 True This: James disagrees with ALL kinds of protestant denominations - and Sola Scriptura gives him no authority to say his fallible interpretation of scripture is right, and they wrong.
"If you wish to persuade and convince me without fail: first be able think my thoughts inside your mind, second feel my feelings as someone in my circumstances would, and third, produce my my words but through your voice."
Marcus Tullius Cicero
James you are right. The. Blessed man is just like paul who in acts was baptized calling on his name for the washing away of his sin. Peter says baptism now saves you! So yes the free gift of initial justification is a free gift. But as is said by Paul and Jesus you must persevere in the faith to be saved. Faith without works is dead (james) . You are his Workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works,that you should walk in them. Ephesians.10
There's no such thing as "initial justification." Also, keep reading the verse on baptism. You all always stop there. Proof texting is useless. Your quotation on Ephesians 2: 8-10 is perfeclty consistent with reformed theology. You are saved by faith alone, not faith + works. Works comes after faith, that's why you're saved for, that's what you're created for, and not works to prove to God anything, but for your neighbor and to glorify God. Rome says no, you need works along with faith to increase in justification, which is utterly false. You proved Dr. White's point.
Baptism saves in the same way the Ark saved Noah. It does not impart salvation, only the death of Christ does that. And it does that by grace through faith. Regeneration doesn’t even save you, even if baptism did regenerate you, which it does not. The only thing that gives salvation is God’s grace, and we can only receive that grace through faith.
@@fuelmotive8716baptism is only salvific because of God obviously, but for you to say baptism does not regenerate would mean you stand against the entire history of the church beginning to end. I assure you, the church was not entirely in error prior to your coming. You are not the saviour of the church.
@@Jrce11 I did not say that the entirety of Christian’s are in error “prior to my coming” nor did I say I was “the savior of the church.” There is one savior of the Church and that is Christ Jesus, and saying that I made any statements even close to that is ridiculously stupid.
@@fuelmotive8716 you are here to correct the entire church on the issue of baptism despite what nearly every single early church writer had to say on the matter, correct?
Imagine spending decades arguing with people and still not understanding the faith you are arguing for, that unfortunately is James White. I think he means well, he’s just so angry that it makes it hard to tell.
I don’t think he understands his opposition either. And yes, he comes off as so very angry. The body language, the eye rolls, the smirks. It’s extremely unsettling
Seriously? That canard?
@@gc3563 Yeah he does understand the opposition. The only ones claiming that he doesn't understand Roman Catholicism are youtube apologist. None of his opponents on the stage have claimed that his understanding is incorrect. So your comment means nothing.
@@KnightFel if my comment means nothing, and that’s fine it’s just my opinion, then same goes to you. You are entitled to your opinion as well, but your comment means nothing.
James white is God tool that brings more converts to Catholicism...
Pastor Brian Gunter speaking at 5:02-07: "The question of tonight's debate is 'How does one find peace with God'"?
Response: Jesus speaking to His disciples at the Last Supper in John 14: 27 (NASB): “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful."
Answer: Likewise, wouldn't Christians find this gift of peace from Jesus at their own commemoration of His Last Supper?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
White should have selected a different topic as he's all over the map - wanting to know about: the Sacraments, the role of Mary as Mediatrix of all Graces which come to us ultimately from Jesus' death on the Cross, the Holy Mass, Purgatory, Indulgences, etc. If White wanted to talk about that we'd all be happy to listen, but he should have selected a different topic or add more nights to allow for additional topics.
Hey admin, I think you've accidentally mislabeled your video. I've been an admin for my church's CZcams page and made the same mistake, all good hehehe.
"A protestant that doesn't know why he's protestant is an easy convert waiting to happen". -Dr. James White
I love to hear this brother share and defend his strong convictions concerning on our Christ.
Brother White was very clear and he is using only Bible as a reference for his ststements. While mr. Akin was using a fragments of Bible, words of church fathers-fallen man, and avoiding sirious questions regarding Mary, purgatory, saints, and other stories which you can't find in Holy Bible. To many grey zones in roman catolicism which has producted faulty system, while Bible and Gospel of Jesus is very simple letter to fallen man.
Thanks to both debators for their time. I do notice a prevalence in the comments claiming James "lost" yet a suspicious lack of addressing the disagreement which would have made him "lose"
Appears to be judging on tone.
they never give a reason, "just James lost the debate. I'm a stronger catholic because of him" its the same old same old with theological debates. consistency is key and White is very consistent in his arguments. that's the problem people have with him.
James is very confusing. He contradicts himself. Jimmy is soo logical and intellectual in teaching of Christ and His church
Which contradiction were you referring to?
This debate turned into “What does the Catholic Church teach?”, and not “Is Catholic or Calvinist justification right?”
An elementary school Catholic catechism student could have told Dr White that Jesus sacrifice on the cross was once and for all time.
Dr White just doesn’t understand Catholic teaching.
Maybe someday he’ll actually put aside his assumptions and honestly listen. I pray for his conversion.
He’s just acting like he doesn’t, like most Protestants to score points
He should go to Mass with his sister.
Pray for him to come to the RCC
For Catholics, the gospel is the gospels. For Protestants, the gospel is a peculiar interpretation of paul.
It was a 16th century reinterpretation, that no one before Hus ever held, and that very few protestant sects can fully agree on even to this day. It is almost like, personal interpretation of the Bible without the wisdom of the Majesterium and guidance of the Holy Spirit leads to error and faction.
@@user-jm4kz5bg9f
The current mAjEsTaRiUm is in faction
As it has always been
@@goyonman9655
I guess it's just as important to note that scholars came up with "wildly different convlusions on a number of ussues" (sic)
James W. NEVER answered the question:
“WHERE IN SCRIPTURE IS THE DOCTRINE SOLA SCRIPTURA?”
He deflected to different topics because… he knows it’s not written.
The balanced approach is
Both Oral Tradition through the apostles AND scripture.
because it is NOT in scripture
The debate was done respectfully, though there was not so much new content as I have listened to so many such debates before. Chances of converting either way based on such debates is minimal, but useful FIY only. To claim that either one won the debate is not sensible because we are different religions and what seems beautiful to the other is repugnant to the other. Ultimately, preaching of the gospel is the most effective means of wining souls to the Lord and the Spirit of God makes conversions happen using the seed sown through the gospel! Even proud hearts get convicted and yield to the truth!
I believe James was calm collective and very informed and fair
I died when Jimmy asked James if he thinks he needs purgatory lol
Haha, never did get an answer on that .
He doesn't as he stands in Christ's righteousness!
@@mmbtalk To simplify the point a bit, Jimmy was asking if James think she is so perfect as to be ready to enter heaven.
@@Jerome616 that is where our fundamental difference lies and I am surprised James, did not address this emphatically! Protestantd believe no amount of human effort can ever earn you anything heavenwards. All our best are as good as worthless rugs (Isaiah 64:6 Philippians 3:7-9) That is why you will never hear of protestants canonising anyone as a saint. Our so called 'saintliness' look good when compared to other human beings, with also a lot of secret sins being unknown, but before the Holy presence of God no creature is fit to stand guiltless(Romans 3:23). So to answer Jimmy's question, the Lord made it clear he who has the son has life(1 John 5:12) and Christ's imputed righteousness is enough to get you into heaven, anytime any day! (Romans 5:1-2 Romans 10:4,13).
@@mmbtalk White may now be one step closer to conversion to Christ's holy Catholic Church.Pax
As a Catholic I always try and take the side of the opposition in a debate in the interest of truth, but it is actually really difficult to try and be on James Whites side because he is way overly aggressive and insanely prideful it oozes from his demeanor and the way he speaks and after two hours its extremely tiring
James White has a passionate way of talking.
Even when he's talking with his friends
Jimmy is astoundingly good. James was baffled, he didn't know how to deal with Jimmy's presentation at all cross x that he didn't understand what was going on.
April fools was a few weeks ago.
@@KnightFelyes tell that to JW
@@chiniiya Jehovas Witness? They aren't here.
He was baffled because he had no one to debate. Jimmy decided that he was just going to show a particular presentation.
Sorry my fellow Catholic brother and sister but leaving from Catholicism to Protestant saved my life 🙏🏽
No, it didn't.
You were never Catholic in the first place
I left catholicism as well for 20 years came back easter 2022 its a journey Holy Spirit will lead you
No it didn't dearheart.
You just don't know it yet.😢🙏
So what’s the over under on how many times James will reference past debates he has done ?
I would assume ad nausium until the end of time
✝️ Ave Christus Rex, Ave Maria 🇻🇦
I am a convert to Catholicism from Protestantism. My life and relationship with Christ are His and the rest is history! Celebrating the Holy Mass is the most precious part of my life!
I have to say for Protestants to even use the word “intercede” I’m sure trips them up too…
So beautiful to listen to Jimmy Aiken calmly and persuasively refute each and every trope and reasonable challenge by JW.
@joevasanu7459, sure, Jimmy the sloppy cowboy clown never addressed James's opening statements on Hebrews and Romans. I wonder why 🤔
Im surprised more people aren't pointing out how Jimmy completely ignores Whites arguments are goes on with his prepared slides.
You might agree with Jimmy but this is a technical loss on the debate stage
Go watch Akins debate recap, I think you might find the use of slides was not what you think it was.
@@Jerome616 already did.
@@SneakyEmu so what did you think about his reasoning?
All the "whoo hoo" "yays" and "yippies" from Akin comes off as a pretense of joy, when it's just a debate sir.
I got the impression that he never came to debate.
If you have watched enough of his material, it’s just his regular candor. But I understand your point is it comes off that way.
Remember, James White is the best Protestantism has to offer. Catholicism simply is too strong an argument to defeat. I was in the Calvinist cult and upon experiencing God, He led me to His church - the Catholic Church that has remained in succession from the first century till today. Whereas the Protestants came 16 centuries later and drastically changed the faith and made a new religion - not only removing 7 books of the Bible that they disagreed with, but changing the faith itself. It has divided Christendom and divided it into oblivion. God tells Satan is the divider. God tells us He is not the author of confusion.
I am just now coming out of the reformed world, after 20 years. Catholicism just makes more sense. When I finally stopped to think about why there are so many divisions and endless splitting I realized sola scriptura and private judgement were the main reasons, but behind them was the rejection of the authority of the church. That’s the core of Protestantism.
The result is individualism, subjectivism, and relativism.
I haven’t watched the debate yet, but Akin clearly won the last one.
Same here brother! I listened to the dividing line and radio free geneva for a decade. I was confirmed catholic last year!
Who said White is the best protestantism has to offer? 😂
@jackcrow1204 he's a prominent apologist in baptist churches and reformed/calvinist camps. But there's a lot more to protestant views too
I'm a devout cradle Catholic and I can tell you White is *not* the best Protestantism has to offer.
I saw an angry, arrogant, pridefully proposed account of scripture with a dizzying amount of circular logic, lobbing attack after attack on his opponent…
And then there was Jimmy Akin.
All of the Catholic doctrinal issues James White mentions taking issue with are soundly defensible by way of biblical teaching, including Marian devotion as our intercessor (notice: NOT Marian worship).
Yes, Mary interceded for us at the wedding of Cana. Is she co-redemptrix? Yes, because Mary accepted becoming the mother of God.
How did Jimmy win if he agreed to all his opponents points?
Amazing isn’t it. We are much closer than Protestants assume.
Let's suppose that this is what Jimmy did. If in fact you agree with a possible Catholic position on this central issue of the Reformation, then there is literally no reason to remain Protestant. Everything else stands or falls on this issue.
@@benabaxter The priesthood, purgatory, Marian dogmas, the Papacy, indulgences, praying to the saints, working to increase your "initial" justification are all excellent reasons why not to cross the Tiber.
I think Jimmy mentioned this was a different kind of debate where each person brought forward their own positive positions, rather than debate a disagreement
@@KnightFelwhy not dive into those topics instead of dismissing them with surface level information or misinformation? I'm a former rabid anti-Catholic and I was fed a load of lies. I debate online and I have yet to come across a protestant who actually disagrees with Catholicism. They always disagree based upon misconceptions and misinformation that are fed to them by people like James White and John MacArthur.
Excellent performance once again by both James (Akins and White). Mr. Akins had a good command of this exchange, probably because his visual aids (Powerpoints) helped the audience follow his argument unfold with clarity. Thank you Jimmy Akins for the great job in bringing clarity to this topic and to show that both Catholics and good willed Protestant denominations have been moving the dialogue on justification forward toward a unified understanding. May we be united in love and doctrinal truth and avoid disputing unnecessarily over words.
I've never heard Jimmy Akin before. Really sharp guy from what I could tell. Also I love his style
A lot of Catholic homers on here. It's a fool's errand to declare a "winner" at a debate. Rarely is anyone's mind changed at a debate. Almost exclusively each individual will be satisfied with his/her respective representative. As a reformed Baptist myself, I could easily point out how White repeatedly pointed out Akin's theologic inconsistencies and semantic quibbling.
James White - spends two hours being vicious, petty, and uncharitable to Catholics.
Host - "stick around for James White's free seminar on how to love Catholics"
😂😂😂😂
"Love" is Protestant code for "convert".
Would you have said that to Elijah, on Mount Carmel, when he was chastising the people of Israel, and subsequently ordering the deaths of all the false prophets? James was tame, by comparison. False gospel teaching is damnable. The apostle Paul used the anathema word against those who preached a false gospel. James was tame, by comparison....
@michaelsowerby8198 do you think Elijah sold a lot of books at his free seminar on how to love false prophets?
@@michaelsowerby8198 It's Whites lack of knowlege of Christianity and his belief that he has knowledge that is the problem. If he himbles himself Christ will make him Catholic
Can you name an example in this debate where James was being vicious or petty beyond what would be considered acceptable in a debate format? Timestamps would be awesome.
Love the moderator.
Is it just me or does James White’s sports coat look huge on him? lol
A tailor would do him good!
Some new Theology would do him and all his followers would do him way better.
It was predestined to be that big
He may of had to borrow one. Who knows ..he's traveling. Better a tad too big than too small. 💕🌷 God Bless Dr James White....he's an incredible Debator, full of wisdom. ✝️
@@michellecheriekjv4115Mr. James White please.
Jimmy has EXposed REFORMATION... Feel sorry for JAMES WHITE.. SHOULDN'T HAVE DEBATED JIMMY.
If James White (or any baptist) want to evangelize Catholics, as was the topic of his talk the next night, one needs to ask at a minimum, and answer the following questions to Catholics:
- Show who in the first 1,500 years of Christianity interpreted scripture as you do, that the bread and wine in the bread of life discourse are symbolic or figurative only.
- Explain how Christendom error'd so fast, so universally on this point?
- Explain why one should follow the fallible gospel of JW and not all of Christendom for those first 1,000 plus years?
- Explain how Jesus was undependable and that he lied when he said that he would lead his church to ALL truth?
- Explain how could his Church have errored with his promise in place (so too, the Church is the pillar and bulwark of TRUTH)
- Is Jesus is not powerful enough nor faithful enough to mean what he said?
- Admit that you are fallible
- Admit that since you are fallible, you could be in error with your personal and fallible interpretation of scripture, and the Catholic Church right on the nature of the Eucharist.
- Explain how it is that you trust that your New Testament canon is right, when it was decided by the 4th c Catholic Church, Catholic Bishops who would disagree with your interpretation of scripture repeatedly, no less on the Eucharist.
- Explain how it is that you believe your Old Testament is right, when those 4th c Bishops said it was 46 writings?
- Explain how is it that you trust them to get the New Testament right, yet they error'd on the Old Testament - and they ALL celebrated the Mass which you reject? (note, there were no protestant churches at the time)
_So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him_
If you want to stay Protestant, you throw out some of the Sacraments like marriage, for example. That puts marriage into a legal communion rather than a holy union instituted by G_d which opens it up to all sorts of attacks against the family such as birth control, abortion, divorce, etc.
If you're a papist just pay the church for an annulment.
@@ThomasCranmer1959I as a catholic agreee the snnulment process is corrupt and needs improvement, but it doesn’t destroy the sacrament of marriage
@@Luke-ms5hn Marriage is not a sacrament. It is a covenant between a man and a woman and Almighty God. What GOD hath joined together let NO MAN or WOMAN put asunder. Not even the papists have the authority to divorce or annul a covenant between God and a man and woman.
@@ThomasCranmer1959 In the Catholic church, marriage is a Sacrament precisely because it is between man, woman and G_d.
This historic debate took place 30 minutes from my home, and I didn’t even know it was happening! Ugh! Regardless, Jimmy Akin took home the win
This is amazing. The debate was fascinating, the comments just as much. Akin's refusal to hold ground on Rome's dogmatic teaching and differ to what we all agree on is an interesting debate tactic. I guess you can't lose if there's no disagreement. And just as intriguing is how many eat up Akin's words seemingly due to his kind tone.
The bottom line is that all of us can pretend that we agree with just about anything if we interchange a given term's definition to fit our individual theological positions.
He’s not pretending just for the debate, he’s been saying these things for years.
the beard game is strong with the debate
Yes, but Akin has the hat.
I'm Orthodox Christian so I don't agree with Catholicism but we agree on 99.9% of things. Jimmy Akin is a gift from God. I only like James White when he is debating atheists. Jimmy Akin demolished him here. I hope Mr. White gets over his hatred for Catholics.
I don't think he hates us. He's extremely passionate
@@andycopeland7051 Catholics, Orthodox, and many if not most Protestants accept that we are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Some Protestants do not, 2 billion or so Christians are all wrong and going to hell. This is that guy.
Nah. White just has a grumpy demeanor
Even when talking to his friends
I changed my life because Jesus Eucharist 🙏
I can always tell when someone is a liar or when someone is honest. Take this thread...Basileusnilus claiming Jimmy "demolished" him shows me he is a liar. Of course you can think one guy made better points and won the debate, but no one was demolished here. Both guys stated their case clearly and articulately. It's always easy to spot truth tellers from the liars...you just have to look for it.
Watching James White try to support his positions is like watching someone try to build a house of cards on a paddle board in the ocean.
As a former Protestant, I find listening to him to be a faithful building because it makes me so thankful for the solid ground I now stand on in my Catholic faith and union with Christ together with his Church.
Nothing has to happen right after death because we will fully bare the image of the heavenly at that point. Our earthly bodies are sown in dishonor and it is raised in glory.
>nothing is going to happen
>the body is raised in glory
pick one
That’s the resurrectiom
Nice to be accepted into the comment section of the saved by works group.
Yes works of love
Catholic church has existed for 2000 year and has always condemned the idea that one is justified by works.
Saved by works?
You need to get a refund on your religious education.
White counts on the love of his cheerleaders to stay relevant. Don't let him fail next time
"You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
-James 2:24
If you're reading this, watch Dr. White's debate against Trent Horn on eternal security. That debate, along with the Pat Madrid vs James White debate on Sola Scriptura is what opened my eyes to the truth of Catholicism, having watched both as a Baptist.