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a thing they could do for the ported characters every 2 weeks is add the community vote into smite 2 when it drops, so people can vote on what ever characters they want in 2 weeks
That would be cool for sure!
I bet in a few years, an AI could do that work of porting skins.
Idk, Jade Emperor is one of my 3 mains, i don't see many people voting for him...
@@420portalsthat could definitely be a possibility, maybe not fully do it but make there work a lot easier to where the devs barely have to do anything
@420portals wouldn't be possible if you know how ai works. At least 80% wouldn't be ai, and you wouldn't want it to be anyways, you want human artists to be the ones to do it after all you don't hire artists just so they do what you tell them. There's a reason art directors junior and senior artists exist and concept artists etc.
Also depends what part you even mean, coding is the most likley. Ai doing anything besides coding and texturse will not happen fir like 50 years if il being generous. 3d assets are way to complicated for ai. Topology, UV's, I could go on every part of 3D is way too technical and even artistic for AI. Which sucks because no one likes retopologizing, no one would turn down AI doing that for them.
They should definitely port at least T5 and limited skins. Hell maybe not for launch but down the line they really should do that
This and lisenced battle pass skins. The amount of money and hours to unlock tmnt, avatar, transformer, and stranger things... I can't play peele unless she's azula it's mandatory now.
I think the Legacy gems would feel more fair if it was 50% of the gems you've ever spent but they could buy 100% of the items instead of the way it is now. Having a glorified half off coupon feels REALLY bad
I don’t think it would ever be possible to convince the devs to do this, it would kill any chance of smite 2 making money. Even half of all gems I’ve spent is enough to buy most skins they add for a year or 2
But then Smite 2 would make so little money? You are saying if you spent a lot in Smite 1, smite 2 makes no money off you?
Agreed, skin prices are so expensive as it is, 50% off big L, I would be happier with even giving me 15 skins of my choosing vs an implementation where I need to spend money
They don’t have to give you anything, it’s an entirely new game. Would give up every skin to have a game that isn’t half dead.
@@DecemberAU you are right, they don’t, also nice way to alienate your fan base, sorry it’s a half ass gesture in my opinion, you won’t change my feelings about it and I won’t change yours
I really think all limited and unlimited skins should transfer slowly overtime, idc how fast they come as long as they make it
I think its wild that they are actually revamping the entire game. This was needed for years. Even if they didnt give a discount on gems or whatever. Id gladly leave my skins for a polished product. I do however wish Runescape crossover comes back for smite2 lol the bellona knight skin is amazing, also having the runescape music is legendary. Nice video and hopefully smite2 pops off!
most crossover skins will probably come back. but it will be long until that, as they will probably think of it once most of the roaster is back.
Really? I actually hate all the crossover skins really ruin the immersion for me but each to their own
@@DecemberAU ah yes, inmersion. clearly a team made of, possibly, chibi thanatos, sausage odin, plushy tiamat, hippy cernunos and demon yimir is very immersive indeed.
@@draconomegaahahah I legit cannot stand those sausage skins I don’t even know what half the gods are with those skins on
@@DecemberAU honestly thats kinda of my only troblue with some skins. sometimes the change of look and color of abiltys makes it way more difficult to read wathever shit show is happening on the screen; Like the toxic yamoja skin with her eye sore of an ult
Regarding porting old skin, they could just say "After we rebuild the god roster, we'll start porting some of the most popular skins as we further develop the game." That would ease a lot of the complaints.
They already do plan to port over 'a limited selection of fan-favorite skins'.
@@Inters3ct hopefully its at least 1 skin per god.
@@Sacred9000 Nah, it'll be 15 Neith skins
@@Sacred9000They said the skins they're porting are the most equipped skins
@@B_G354 So the cheapest ones...
I like the engine change. Looks very nice.hope hit abilities feels good and there’s no spaghetti code so you know you hit them.
Also I am sure the new skins in ur5 will look better then most skins in ur3.
2:43 I had a different interpretation than you did of the "person-months" to transfer skins; I thought they said that normal skins would take two person-months to transfer into Smite 2, and that Tier 5 skins would take a lot longer. In the Smite 2 keynote from Sunday, there was a slide that said Tier 5 skins would take several person-months each to transfer.
how on earth can it take that long is what i want to know. there is no way on planet earth that it could take that long. it makes no sense whatsoever
@@Marcoboyle00it takes this long because they have to redo the art to fit ue5 then animate and animation takes a long time
Do you guys realize how much time and effort it is/will take to make all these skins in a new engine with like 10x the graphics/polygons. It isn’t just a copy and paste process. They have to remake them entirely.
Blows my mind that people think they should get it for free basically… the game is already FREE😂😅
Imo everyone should be grateful that they are even letting you use anything from the previous game.
One thing I'd find cool for the smite 1 skins is if they allowed the community to vote for 1 skin for each god to carry over, aside from Tier 5s etc.
I worry about the active items escpecially considering how they would be mapped on a controller for console players. Even more so if they end up having to be something like a seperate menu or wheel like system but the affect of the item is supposed to be used mid combat
Then dont be a peasant and play on pc lol
I think D-pad and LT + D-pad are still open for that to work. Sadly all this does is create an even bigger skill gap between pc and console since console will now have to take their thumb off of LStick to hit or active item skills.
They effectively removed a relic slot for a single active item slot, so not change to buttons needed
Potion slots are no longer a thing so that frees up 2 buttons. Doubt there will be a need of more than 2 ability items for damage dealers. Supports might have a use for more than 2 but most likely not.
The fact that smite is only just now doing active items is so embarrassing. I'm so happy about it. Oh well if its hard to use for controller players
Hey Inters3ct, I am an Arthur main too. It has been my favorite God since I played him for the first time, but over the years, with the changes in the game, some things about him started to feel less good and fun, like building and late game. So, because of this, I thought of some things that, with Smite2, should be possible, and I hope not too difficult to implement.
These are the improvements I've thought of so far:
Starting with the 3 (combo): I think you should be able to press mouse2. So, after you do, Arthur finishes the spin he is already in and then does the big spin. For example, you did 2 spins and pressed mouse2, continued with the third spin, but right after that, it does the big one without doing the fourth and fifth. This change could improve his late game, allowing you to do pretty good damage in less time. You receive way less damage in exchange for doing less damage yourself. Also, this can improve PVE because quite a few times you use the 3 even though the minion doesn't have that much HP, but you do it because hitting 3 autos is way slower, xd. And etc. I believe this change helps in quite a few cases.
And that brings me to the improvement of the 2 (combo): Pressing mouse2 cancels the dash, but not the knockup and the damage. I think it doesn't need much explanation, better PVE.
Finally, the 1 (combo): Holding mouse1 makes Arthur charge the attack for a bit, hitting on a larger area and a percentage of the ability damage harder, but losing the cripple effect. I don't want this improvement to be a plain buff, but I think this change is pretty fair and fun; you may even call it exchange, heheh. The way I imagine this ability should work is this: since all of Arthur's abilities are in instant casting, pressing the 1 always initiates the attack, but holding it until Arthur is about to slash makes him stay in that position for half a second or so (the exact amount of time requires testing) and then attack. I think this change should improve both PVE and PVP.
All these changes are on the Combo stance, which should also give the stance a more tangible reason for its name. Would love to hear what you think about these improvements. Hope you read this :)
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What do you say?? U are homosexual, u dont have qn opinion.
Smite 2 brought me and my best mate back to playing the game....we are happy....
A rare footage, okay buddy
I think you and your buddy should have an edging session while playing smite 2
@@papermachete8071 yes
but we will get free voice packs from now on, that's a real consumer friendly change
That immediately makes me happy
I think smite 2 is objective great for smite as a whole and it sucks that so many people are hating it all because of the skins thing. And smaller cast mean new players won’t be so overwhelmed. It’s a healthy thing for the developers when they want to change stuff on the new engine too
I am still excited for this game because it looks incredible. I probably will get the founders pack for it because I've been playing Smite since Season 3 at this point and the first thing I bought when I decided I liked it was the god pack. I only have four Tier 5's (Ullr, Kukulkan, Bellona and Ares) and seeing them in Smite 2 would be really cool. Frostfire Ullr's magma cape would look sick for example. Also knowing that old skins can be bought entirely with Legacy Gems does actually make my view on that lighten up a little since I know I complained about it on the announcement video. I'm glad to hear it's not just half price everything and nothing else. Can't wait to build ADC Ares and finally get some use out of that auto attack damage buff he got in Season 10.
If normal skins are said to be 2 months of work imagine a t5. Smite 2 would use completely different textures, animations, lighting, special effects, model changes. Do all of that for every t5 skin multiple times accounting for all the stance changes/ level up changes and that would easily eat up months of work. t5 take months of work, porting them over is essential just telling them do years worth of work in one year while building an entire new game. It is a massive loss with no gains and puts unbelievable time constraints on the devs, who are already worked enough making an entire new game. It is easy to for us to see it an nothing more then " just port it" but it is not that easy. Quality games take time. Smite 1 had a decade of work put in, you can't just push a magic button and put 10 years worth of content into another game. We gave smite 10 years to get where it is, why are players hating on the smite 2 when we haven't even given a single second of time before doom posting about it. Not tallking about intersect just obxnois doom posting fans all over this other wise great news.
As someone who has multiple tier 5s and a shit ton of skins, I am READY for smite 2. Does it suck not getting the old skins? Yeah, do the pros HEAVILY outweigh the cons? Yes, 1000% yes. Smite 2 is a necessity, and we already had over 10 years of smite 1. People who complain about smite 2 are most likely people who dont care about the game's health at all.
The 100% legacy gems thing was only added after the outrage, they wasted 2 days defending the original 50% coupon. Hirez specifically said that they wouldn't be porting any skins which is what most people took issue with, as they were showing themselves literally porting recolours as part of the event legacy bundle and that they would be showing their appreciation through the 50% coupon which the legacy gems represented(which is what makes those gems a cashgrab). No one also expected all 1600 skins to be ported. A big portion of those 1600 skins are recolours. T2's, Shadow skins, Ascended skins and recolours of T3's and T4's, probably the actual number of skins present in the game once we take all of these out its about 800+- actual skins, which is a lot still, but not as much also it goes down given that they won't be porting all characters. Pretty much everyone is fine with only 1 skin per a god release being ported over. Other point people were taking issue is the claim of how long it would take them to do it while constantly showing off how fast UE5 lets them make things, including certain skins. The main selling point in UE4-5-6 for developers is how much they can achieve for a lot less time which makes it also extremely cheaper without boosting the PC requirements by much making the games still very accessible.
From what player testers are saying it just feels like smite with better graphics, sure it’s in “alpha” but they need to prioritize all new animations and more ability reworks and tweaks to majority of gods. They already confirmed that Loki and others are basically unchanged with no new animations, so people are rightfully worried about all the claims of this being a “true sequel”
Loki is 'unchanged' in visual design (just updated in quality) but you can see his ult has a new animation in the reveal trailer and his blind effect now looks different on enemies. I think you're underestimating how much Gods will change going into SMITE 2.
This might be a small thing, and I know it's all subject to change, but I really don't like the two stats being Strength and Intellect. Strength makes sense of course (although it doesn't really feel thematically appropriate) but Intellect is just bizarre. Is it intellect that helps Cernunnos's brambles hurt more? Or is Ymir super smart when his wall does more damage?
Personally I would go with something like "Might" and "Magic", or "Prowess" and "Spell" or something. It just seems like they're using those two names because they're common in TTRPG systems, but it doesn't do them favours.
Makes sense to me. Strength is damage and I imagine intellect will be duration or any side effect an ability had like healing
I like that for sure! This is probably something that they would easily change if need be.
@@Inters3ct Absolutely. I wouldn't be surprised if that's placeholder text as it is.
@@InterstellarBountyHunter521 Not quite - Strentgh is basic attack damage, Intellect is ability damage. Which makes sense with certain gods - Thoth, Zeus, most mages in fact. But doesn't really make sense with the theme of other gods.
@@TobyWilliams1066 Maybe I read it wrong then. If it works like you're saying then yeah I would like them to change it too
Active items really concern me
League gets away with them because they move with mouse clicks and use QWER for abilities while 1-6 are items.
Smite used 1234 for abilities and WASD for movement. Where do you put 6 buttons for 6 actives
Q, E, R, X, tilde, etc. Lots of places.
and on console? lol will i have to put in a gta cheat code to activate it
The whole skin debacle sound like a classic Hi-Rez move to drum up controversy to get more eyes on Smite 2. Also why is it hard for a studio, that netted 300 million dollars in 2023, to port over all 1600 skins? I'm very familiar with the process of transferring 3D models over and the fact that TitanForge wants Smite2 to have a consistent look, but a company netting that amount of money can definitely afford the resources and time it takes to port them all over. Season 7 - current season skins just need their effects, Albedos, and materials remade which should take only a couple of hours. Now I am familiar that current Smite models run off of a different file type, but converting it in Blender takes no time (Though I believe TF is worried about model info getting lost in the process which is a fair, but still doable if they commission a group of 3D artists to work on skins).
While Skins are a lesser issue that could've been worded and handled better, the 50 percent discount, item shop changes, and the total facial reconstruction of every goddesses is a greater slap to the core communities face.
3:12 this is exactly my point. The same people complaining about skins probably spent a ton of money in COD on cosmetics that didn't transfer in a YEARLY game franchise.
Question: are they going to keep smite 1? Because if not they might lose a lot of low spec players.
They'll keep it up until enough players transfer to smite 2. Plus the game requirements aren't that crazy
I hope so i mean only thing i am worried about is that i wont be able to run it
I work with 3d modeling and texturing myself and I can say you don't need 2 people for 2 months work...
normally it would take 2 months for 1 person to make a skin like that with special animations if needed 2:42
you might even cut it down to 1 month when you already have the concept design done... (with 2 persons)
Are you taking everything into account though? Like different people doing different things, I assume there has to be artists, programmers, maybe even audio engineers. You might have different artists for different things and who knows what else.
@@scalpingsnake I can only talk with the experience I have with remake skins, but yes if you remake a skin you already have alot of the design layout done.
there is a lot of work to make a skin for a character and normal timeline would be 2 months for a new one for most games, but most of the work is already done if you remake a skin. you already have a character design done. Then the model and texture would not take more then 1-2 depending on the character. Animation can be done in a week too and audio design is alot easier to take on when you already have a good baseline.
if you make something new you need to make a design and experiment with alot of different designs for one character. That is the same with animation, vfx and sound design. but to make a remake where all of this is already done take alot less time.
Smite has needed a rebuild for a long time the spaghetti code is horrendous
I want Smite 2 Nao
I want you nao.
I am more than willing to never see Nox and kuzenbo in Smite 2
It's quite possible you won't have to worry about them for a while.
@@DirranProductions we will be safe from the legendary Nene Kappa
@@tomayto70 I meme with the Bois on co-op so...
the legacy gem system is extremely fair compared to other games. but the way they have worded it in a few videos have people thinking they are getting a full refund on all their gems.
A decade of millions coming into one game and when the players want to know what all that success is worth we are given a coupon in disguise as a thanks you. How is asking for more money in the future fair to a player base after a decade
@@HugeConverse That is not what's happening.
You paid for those skins in Smite 1, used them, and supported the game. Smite had 10 years of continual support on an engine that is almost old enough to vote and is full of jank legacy code that can't be easily removed.
They then reinvested in the IP (which is what the playerbase literally wanted, mind you) off of that support, and are giving every gem back to you as a legacy currency since UE5 is quite literally entirely different than UE3 which is why they can't port every skin easily. You can use that legacy currency for 50% off of NEW content, and then you can also use that currency to get 100% off whenever they eventually port skins. And, in addition to this, you get 1 free T4 skin for every year you have played Smite. Other games do LESS than this!
You are not entitled to getting free stuff for years on end in the new game. They're working on a Zeus T5 that is exclusively made with UE5, do you think you should be able to get that for free with legacy gems?
They could just be like Blizzard and give you nothing. Or they could be like Respawn and completely abandon the IP to chase the battle royale genre. Or they could be like EA and abandon the IP for a game that will have the reputation for having the worst game launch ever. Or they could be like Bungie, and charge you for everything even remade content. Or they could be like the IPs that make yearly games and remove cosmetics year after year. TitanForge is easily one of the better studios, making the ENTIRE game from scratch to support it on a new engine while making it significantly better so that you can complain about skins in 3 years rather than the game actually dying, and you're talking about "how is it fair" because you're not 100% reimbursed for the money that you consciously spent.
People are 100% looking into this skin stuff and cringing at these reactions. My LoL friends think the whole "we're not getting 100% reimbursed and they should port every skin >:(" take is hilariously entitled.
@@HugeConversealthough im sure hi rez is appreciative of fans, this is a business. They need to make money. Money is more important than their fans.
@@HugeConverse it’s a new game how are they going to make money….. just whip it out? Pick it off a tree? Hmmm annndd guess what, you don’t like the idea, DONT PLAY THE GAME
so the gems were gonna get only Half the amount goes into the skin the rest i have to pay for?
We also have to think about all of the battle bass skins that we spent money on that weren't purchased with gems so we are kind of just losing out on those type of things. Same thing with the adventure skins that were purchased with keys from doing like the Nike or Loki adventure. Those are al skins that we got though grinding the game or using our actual money.
But battlepasses are bought with gems. You're getting those gems back
Im going to be so bad with actives on items.. i had changed my bindings to make keyboard work for me. More keys is going to suck for me. Time to actually get good i guess
Use a mouse with extra buttons
If you stick to one or two active items it should be a similar amount of keys when considering consumables are replaced with the free beads & wards, then relics replaced with active items.
Remaking the Tier 5 skins in UE5 is not happening for 2 reasons. 1. Out of all skins, the first UE5 tier 5 is going to look amazing and bring in a LOAD of money. They aren't going to want to bring in the old ones, make them look even more insane over 2 months, then give them for free. 2. They probably want to make T5 skins in UE5 even more special. Giving everyone these skins that basically change the god itself, is unrealistic. Cthulhu T5 is a great example as it changes everything, which means they have to remake a UE5 cartoon version, having completely different animations and interactions. That's like a new god.
I could seem them porting the legacy T5 skins back maybe 3-4 years from now during a throwback event where you get to purchase legacy T5 skins with legacy credits
Good, sensible takes, well worded.
I'm having an optimistic feeling that the T5s and Unlimiteds will be looked into. I just wouldn't expect news of them before the full release. And 100% Legacy Gems for those do seem fair... but we'll see: maybe for the Unlimiteds that could be the case, but some schenanigans might be ahead with the Limited ones... People have bought those in charity events for like 1000 dollars hard cash. If not handled carefully, it could get messy!
100% Legacy Gem God Pack seems like an interesting idea too. I'm not expecting this though, they could go stating that the roster is already becoming different and stuff like that. But we'd better find out more about this before the Founder's Packs become available.
As for the item system, I'm interested to see where it goes. I've often wished that Smite's item systems would offer proper trade-offs to go with different gameplay strategies, instead of the quest for "having it all". There are interesting balancing options opening up!
Yes, I'm sad I'm losing out on most of my Smite 1 stuff BUT Titan Force Games IMO are being extremely fair about compensation in Smite 2. I have no complaints atm and I feel most people complaining are failing to acknowledge that we NEED an updated engine and Titan Force Games NEEDS to make money to self sustain.
The issue isn't that people want to stay on a old version/engine of Smite, its just the way they went about it. Imagine spending money on the last couple crossover battle passes (Avatar, Transformers, etc) and they just come and say "yeah thanks for the money but we're going to shut that down soon and make you pay double from what you paid the first time. tough luck buddy" and that's just the battlepasses and that's not including 1k skin(s). With Smite 2, they should've have announced it way earlier and stop making gods and cut back on the skins 10 fold to work on Smite 2. ya know, actually porting Gods and skins instead giving a bs excuse as why they can't port/remake skins that already hit their profit quota. i mean if you feel like you can spend 1k on a fleeting (and soon expiring) game, i would gladly take that from you
I have not spent 1k on Smite. Even if I did have that disposable income to do so I probably wouldn't but I'm not shaming anyone that would or does. Did you not get your gems at that time? Did you not play the game at that time? People spend 1k going to Disneyland for 1 day and leave with nothing but experiences and memoires. I also wouldn't do that but I wont shame them for it. What wouldn't make sense to me is spending 1k on a service, receiving that service, then complaining about the service not lasting forever. Maybe you have a point about cutting back the monetization towards the official announcement of Smite 2, however, did Titan Force stop updates? No. Did they shut down servers? No. Their service is still up and running and in fact their employee are probably working harder than ever keeping up with Smite 1 while some people and workload is being shifted to Smite 2. I guess they all deserve less because you're upset at your own choices around purchases?@@eternalpunishment3922
The game gets a new engine that hopefully fixes all the smite 1 bugs, and the graphics are amazing. But releasing an alpha of a game, with a significantly smaller god pool and not all cosmetics transferring will annoy the community. I think they announced way too ealry.
On the contrary. It's a prealpha and they are giving the community an oportunity to get involved in feedback if they want
I’d personally want smite 2 sooner with half the roster rather than waiting until 2030 and unreal engine 5 being potentially obsolete
Another thing to note, What other video game studio do know would go so FAR and do all of the things they're doing so their fans can have some closure and satisfaction from smite only to have them bitch and complain.
I understand its 10 years of gameplay but having a refund on all the gems you've spent throughout the years is a huge dub in my eyes.
As much as I'd love all the gods to be playable at launch, I'd much rather have them make sure everything works great first. With some changes they're making certain gods will need to be taken into consideration, and I know I mention him a lot, but Jorm may be hard to include as is given how they're adding more displacement abilities to certain gods like Ymir. So I can wait for the others for balancing.
I know im definitely in the minorty but i would have preferred if Smite 2 was announced but we didnt actually get until 2028 because porting everything over. Having 2 separate games with one having the better engine but the other having all the stuff I want just feels bad.
That would kill the hype
Yeeeah no. No one is waiting 4 years for Smite 2...
Why tho. You can just wait till 2028. Most of us dont care if we dont have every single god out. 50 by the end of 2024 is crazy
@@sofiabruiz17 In that time I'm not playing Smite 2. This release timing is going to split the community
i stopped playing smite years ago.. now its getting a graphical overhaul im actually gonna play again.
This will be great for new players which will make match making better once you get a higher play count as well. This whole change is a HUGE W!
You made the legacy skins thing seem way better than how they worded it. I assumed that they were just gonna remake and resell all the old skins overtime, not that most skins made are completely new, and that they will let you get the few old ones that are remade for the same currency you own
I'm pissed because I first played Smite at the end of S2 and I had a ton of limited edition skins over the years. But Sony refused to do cross-progression and I ended up losing my original PSN account to a hacker. So I won't be able to get any legacy gems or anything... but I am happy that Smite 2 will be a clean slate and I'm excited to play. I love Smite so much and this is very exciting for me personally.
I'm not worried about the skins. The updated game engine and all the good with that has me sold. AND THIS TIME I WILL GET A CACOYAMIR SKIN !!!
i cant wait to build int(intentionally feed) on hunters
its not 2 months person per tier 5 skiin as you mentioned in 2:50, this is for a normal skin, i believe they mentioned that a tier 5 can cost an entier year to port
I have no problem with hat they are doing with the skins. I have almost ever skin in the game. I am fine with the legacy gems. Sure it sucks, but we get a better game in the end. So I am excited about Smite 2.
All things consider I have a lot of hope for smite 2. For me it is pretty much what I was expecting/wanting which is a full engine update and at least some port over from smite. I like the legacy gem idea since they sound like a good reward for the extensive time put into smite. It sounds like they will also have both games running at least for some period of time rather then slapping on the new game and saying "tough luck". Obviously smite 2 will take a lot of getting used to especially the new item system, but it sounds fine and I am willing to give it a try. The skins and gods missing will be a massive bummer for sure, but realistically I was expecting this to happen. Sure it sucks, but they sound committed to adding most of the gods over time and at least some to most of the skins will be there. Transition skins is also a nice touch for me. The league change is also a bit of a tough pill to swallow after such a great SWC, but overall sounds like the better direction to go. Also as a wishlist for smite 2, please revert Persephone to some extent and erlang. Surely with a new engine and lessons learned they can get it right this time, at least I would like to hope.
I agree with Erlang, but Persephone is completely fine aside from some bugs. Her passive isn't that great but her abilities are very strong if you know how to play her. Her issues as a Perse main is her passive and 3 are still glitched. The 3 sometimes still goes forward when you're holding back, much like what happens with Rama sometimes. Her passive is bugged sometimes when you back where the gold infinitely rings and doesn't stop until you die. Those aspects are annoying. However, her actual abilities are very annoying to deal with and she has some of the best burst in the game, even for a mage. Ult is perfect and low cd. 3 is overall good. Her 2 is harder to dodge compared to old Perse. You used to be able to run toward it and juke left and it did nothing. Now you drop it near tower line and auto it when it sprouts, taking up the entire lane lol. If they close up on you, ult, 2, 1, and 3 away and if they're a squishy they die without defense. If they have defense, your teammates should instantly finish them. You can still just drop them and heal. I personally level the plants first over the 1, because the drop/explosion damage increases with level, the poke damage increases, and the amount of plants that can be kept increases. If you upgrade her 1 first, she'll probably feel worse I'd imagine. Her passive is not very useful, but her old passive was just busted. I'm not sure how they can fix that aspect of her without making her too strong for every player. Right now, in the hands of a master, she's one of the absolutely most annoying gods to play against. Not sure at sub master ranks or casually though.
@@Chris-87
My thing with Persephone is that she is strong but just as frustrating if not more so after the rework and just not fun to play. The rework feels like it stripped her unique qualities as a character with nothing in return. Her passive should not come back, just have it give gold or drop a minor team buff, maybe. The problem is her 2 went from such a cool planning tool with unique play around dodging the plants, to “put here or send through wall”. That’s mostly what bums me out. Cool that you still enjoy her, I just really do miss what she once had.
I just hope they import the most popular skins. I think there's a lot of skins that no one uses that won't be missed much
When you go to a UK smite 2 event you need a sign that says something like “rework arachne” or “bring back old glad shield” so we know it’s you
The legacy gems are 100% fair. Hi rez has ppl to feed and a game to run. We cant expect them to go months with little to no income. The people who dont have many gems and run out quickly arent likely to buy gems in the first place. And the big spenders would take a long time to run out of gems. Its unrealistic to expect 100% free new skins
In regards to active items, I've never played league or smite BUT I have played Wild Rift(mobile league) and I really liked how they handeled the system. They had a dedicated slot to the "active" component of items and removed the other stats. For example, they removed the stats from protobelt and kept its dash. They did the same for zhonyas, gargoyle, redemption and even made some new ones. I figure if they want to reduce some item comexity they could go this route but these 2 games are quite different.
League - like 1 active item a build
Dota supports- 7 activateable items (6+neutral item) plus wards and stuff in backpack
I love that they're adding activateable items, it's something to give a bit more skill to the game to know what to buy, and when to buy it, and they are typically more situational - where smite is often "build strongest build for your positions"
I think it's a very good change
I just want to see what they can do with Unreal 5 engine, b/c if people dont understand that smite 1 was on unreal 3 and its outdated now.
I’m excited because cross progression I may finally be able to play smite again with my original account on PlayStation and hopefully use it on my Xbox
A couple of corrections for you.
They said SOME ported skins will be 100% purchasable with legacy gems. Not all.
They said it takes 2 person months to move over non teir 5 skins. T5s are much much longer than 2 person months and need custom tech.
No. The ported skins are 100% off. Legacy gems are able to purchase anything and if you use legacy gems that item is 50% off.
the problem is this 2 months to port a skin thing is clearly complete BS. there is no way it could possibly take that long. especially when they are already made, I could understand if they had to conceptualise, design, iterate, and make entirely new skins - ALMOST. but if it really does take 2 months, then that is the most insane level of inefficiency ive ever heard of, and the games industry is renown for wasting money. there is no chance in hell that it could possibly take that long.
@@Marcoboyle00lol look at pso2 to pso2ng. they managed to port everything with no delay. it's like the Krusty Krab 1 and 2 situation
@@Apextleported skins are not 100% off. It's just that legacy gems can pay for 100% of ported skins rather than 50%
@@nathanielbellmore yeah myb some will be 100% off. Was said in dev insight
Little detail I really like is that all the gods voice packs are free love hearing the unique voice lines of skins
Love Pokemon themes in the background
You didn't complain, so proud of you.
I feel weak3n said it best on stream, we should feel extremely lucky to even have some kind of cross currency, many other games who have done the same thing have done nothing and basically told their player base to go fuck themselves
It would be stupid for hi rez to try and remake all the smite 1 skins in ue5 it would take so much time and money that they absolutely wouldn’t profit off of considering all smite 1 ported skins can be bought 100% with legacy gems.
We all need to keep an open mind when it comes to this, they CANNOT port anything from smite 1 to smite 2 it must all be remade from scratch.
At the end of the day it's a bloody video game. Therefore, the game aspect should be first and foremost. I'm personally super excited for Smite2! But, I can also sympathize with people who have spent money on Smite 1, However... Anyone who has spent hundreds upon hundreds or even $1,000 plus on Smite 1 I don't think should be crying. It's a free-to-play game and there's a point where you spend so much money it just makes you look like a fool. You either evaluated Smite1 said it's worth this much to me and got your money's worth, or recklessly overspent. Especially considering it was inevitable to get a sequel at some point.
Inters3ct makes a good point in that many other games don't even give you Jack All when their sequel comes out.
Besides hoping that the devs actually commit to fixing bugs this time around, I also hope that the new engine design doesnt just become a shit show of flashing GFX on the screen where you can hardly tell what's going on because abilities have over the top animations now
Many of the bugs are likely the effect of some lurking old-ass code (spaghetti!) written by people that peaced out from the dev team early on, code that they weren't able to do anything about... Now that they're completely rewriting the code for S2, there's so much hope! Also they mentioned that patching stuff overall in UE5 is incredibly fast and easy compared to UE3.
Frankly, the cynic in me is saying we're lucky they are implementing Legacy Gems at all. It's a F2P game that needs to make money. I think this is fair, I just hope the cost of skins aren't so high that 50% off doesn't mean anything.
I will wait for everything else. Give. Me. UE5.2+ holy shit it looks so much better as a PRE ALPHA!
And if smite 2 lets you get free gems anywhere close to the rate you can get them now, through weekly logins and battlepass’s a 50% off on everything can lead to you getting skins fairly rapidly just playing.
The only thing Im kind of concerned with at this point is worshipers. I know its odd but Ive been working to get all the gods to 💎 and I'd kinda hate the prospect of restarting with no acknowledgement of my past works.
I'd be perfectly happy if on the loading screen you had your god rank at the bottom as normal, but then maybe a small little box in the corner of the god card or the loading frame that displayed my legacy rank for a character where applicable. Just the roman numeral with any stars if I got any, even if its half the size of the normal (Smite 2) god mastery level on the frame...
As far as I know that's exactly what will happen. There will be badges that display old mastery levels and stars.
@Inters3ct wait FORREAL!? I missed that! ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN LADS!
Hey man, thanks for replying. I've been a big fan for a few years, I appreciate what you contribute to the Smite community.
You've made this random dude from Iowa's day just by giving me a minute of your time. Amazing what shared interest in a silly videogame can do eh?
@@robertriley4759 You've made MY day with your kind words man! Thanks for watching
I wonder how they'll be able to implement active items on controllers considering there are fewer buttons to work with than on a keyboard
Something that will be important is making an assist ui like league has to show what items can be good for a God. That is the main reason league can even get new players because if they all needed to manually make an item page they would quit immediately even if the system isnt hard to get.
My main concern is how well it will run for those of us with very low end systems. I personally play on a laptop that is not at all built for gaming. Smite 1 is playable but, even on the lowest graphics settings, I only get around 40-50 fps, and that can get lower if there's a lot going on. Are those of us who are not big gamers with a weak system not going to be able to handle Smite 2?
they probably shouldn't limit themselves to the lowest strength systems possible
Might have some changes I don't like but I'm reserving my judgment until I get my hands on it, looking forward to it overall based on what I've seen so far
PS4 victim here, if I can get all my stuff or at least the stuff for the gods I loved the most back I’m 100% coming back to smite.
2:00 I would do this,reveal a old school skin every update and the old school skin you owned at smite 1 becomes your own Skin automaticly at smite 2
I don't think Smite 2 would implement that sort of hidden database-system for keeping track of every S1 skin owned by every single S1 account. Which is why the most feasible fair offer they could give is just 100% Legacy Gem purchases for ported skins.
Pretty sure they said normal skins take 2 person months to port over, not the T5 skins, so those would take a lot longer
I'm not mad at losing skins or whatever. I just don't want to potentially "re-buy" all the same skins that Do get transferred only to not be able to collect them all.
Especially in a game that has a lot of bs to fluff the chests. Jump stickers, avatars, back skins, fountain skins. etc.
I also have a lot of crap i don't want to make sure if something new comes out i'm not fishing for it out of 20-100 other items.
I'm not really a fan of the new itemization. I don't play league or Dota2 for a reason lol. It was a nice uniqueness smite has, but it's probably better for balancing overall. Although... I'll never be a fan of CritYmir. Or Crit Fat Loki.
If they open up a Legacy store where we can direct purchase skins that would be dope, and if we can use Legacy Gems to purchase future content then I may still give the game a go.
But... $60 for just a God pack and 1k Gems is crazy. The only thing relevant in those packs are the skins for Bellona and... Noot and the Gems. The Divine Legacy booster, if that's just an account booster that's just useless.
But the Ultimate God Pack doesn't say (All 130 gods and future gods) like the original one does. I know Hi rez wants people to buy the Seasonal passes which does basically the same thing but also provides an ascendant skin for each new god. $30 a season for a few purple themed recolors. I'm good.
I just need way more information before i even consider delving into Smite 2.
Can’t wait to play yemoja on this 🔥
I just don’t like the secondary relic change thats now being replaced by active items. Its the main thing that makes me dislike League when I do play. Say you want Aegis but its only on a specific item’s active that only gives int and you are playing a Hunter thats building on Strength you are now locked out of getting that effect since the item is ultimately useless on you.
I’m glad everyone gets beads but removing the secondary relic is really disappointing. It will lead to feeling cheated by an item rather than a player’s skill or timing when choosing/utilizing a relic in a fight.
Didnt Pon say that most tier 5 skins have unique tech that would have to be totally remade in UE 5 that makes it harder to port over.
In some defense of the switch (even though it's old by now and we need a current gen console for it) the smite port in general was incredibly unoptimized to the point I assume they basically just kept it the exact same game with no bug fixes or anything extra
While it is true that in recent years you can't access conquest because it would instacrash, that only became a problem with year 10 (even though you could still access conquest in bots, so could be my own problem with wifi but oh well). About just before or after Maman's release is when conquest became unplayable in both bots and normal play, although weirdly you could load in in bots before it instacrashed (my theory being they overloaded the map with details that are basically useless)
Other problems are the game crashing because I got in a match too fast, or the game crashes because I exited the win screen too fast, or the game freezing mid-match because I opened the leaderboard at the same time as jumping/dying, hell even opening the Colorforge event menu was able to crash your game if you went through the categories too fast
Other games in UE5 can run on switch pretty well, so really I could hope smite 2 on switch could happen maybe a year or so down the line with a full release even with a low graphics setting (which smite 1 already forced you on)
Like I get it's easy to dog on the switch (and yeah it should be dogged on), I don't think it's right to put the whole blame on the switch when HiRez made a really shitty port
The spaghetti code of Smite 1 and its incredibly outdated engine has held it back for years. I think this is an important leap forward, and I want to see it succeed.
I have 2 concerns for Smite2 and im hoping im just over thinking it. 1. is the store. When the new UI came out, the store was absolutely horrid for console use. Even using it now and knowing what items you want, youll still come out of base way after game start. Hopefully its more simple and straight forward than what it looks like. 2. is the new item system. Its really cool with the actives within items and magic and physical both being on items and every god can use both now. However balancing this is gonna be more in depth and we all know how bad hirez is at balancing. The actives alone is gonna place a huge skill gap between pc and controller if we can have more than one or two of them. Now items in general i dont know how they will balance. Once heavy hitting mages come out like scylla, volcan, shell, etc. They have access to crit now. So prepare for 2.5k scylla puddles and 5k volcan ults. Balancing crit to keep hunters/assassins in the game but not to let mages runaway with it will be hard without bloating the hell out of items to work differently per god class. Im worried and can easily see smite 2 being a constant season 10 of an entire class of gods being absolutely useless to compete in their rolls.
I've been playing Smite since PC beta, im also worried about crit because early days of smite 4k constant crits were a thing. I first mained Loki and would always 1 shot anyone that's not a tank. Most games I would get around 25-30 kills. Also, i don't think mages will be able to crit since even physical gods can't ability crit unless stated so like Mercury's 1. And current Smite 1 items have more stats than Smite 2. Smite 2 items from what I've seen have either:
-2 stats (1 big stat and 1 tiny tiny stat or 2 stats broken evenly) with a passive. -4 or 5 stats but no passive. -1 or 2 semi low stats with a ability.
Good takes good video 👍🏽
third person LoL is looking alright.
As someone that mainly plays League but also dabbles into Smite on occasion, it's really amusing to me that the new item system is basically the exact same as League. It makes sense, because imo having two entirely separate pools of items for different classes of gods is a lot more difficult to learn as a new player, but also I did think that system was kinda unique.
As ive heard before they can return skins as legacy events where you can use your legacy gems to participate in them for full purchase of course.
How will the cross progression work exactly? I’ve played smite on PC and PS5 so will I be able to
have legacy gems from gems I’ve spent on both platforms in smite 2?
I’m a casual player and I just wanna have fun as chibi medusa. I think I’ll stick to smite 1.
They say its not a cash grab. But everything about this simply just sounds like a cash grab
hi rez: "this isn't a cash grab. trust me bro!" while they do the most cash grab shit possible
I would have liked a Voting system in which we save a single class’s skins instead of just axing all of them. I think that would have made a fun system. Just weekly updates until the Day they Reveal which skins are being saved
Personally dont care about the skins, but understand the outrage
they could do a poll of every skin and and then arrange it by most votes which will then be the porting order
Im hyped for the possible changes on gods that need it
As long as I get my doodle ra I’ll be happy
There transfering the most popular ones. We will have to see which those are
I just want them to transfer over every Tier 5 and favorite skin for each god
Gameplay is king, legacy gems is more than fair and they didn't even have to do that at all. All I care about is how item building will work. Tired of supports and warriors building straight defense and doing more damage than a mage or carry.. plus being unkillable. Shit is braindead. Hopefully more older gods get reworked slowly as they get ported to Smite2.
It feels soo rush for no reason, we can all wait like a year or 2.
My concerns:
Waiting 3 years to get all the gods
Skins and 50% gems
1 and 2 at the same time will kill both games
The roadmap is a bit more lenient. The early Alpha will start in the spring, which I've heard is only open for one weekend per month at first. And mid-late 24 they're still only moving on to Beta. Full launch is "TBD". Smite 1 was in Beta for about two years. S2 will probably have a shorter Beta time though.
I am not looking forward to setting my keybindings to deal with active items...
I'm very much in between whether I like the changes or dislike them lol, I don't hate the changes but it does feel a bit like they've released "Smite 2" as if its a completely new game but it sort of isn't a new game?
I can understand the frustration with skins etc (theres a lot of gods I have every skin for) but at the same time they haven't said they aren't going to just "erase" all Smite 1 skins from Smite 2...
I just hope Hi-Rez don't promise their fanbase so much and then offer so little, a bit like Overwatch 1 and 2.
What do uou mean we don’t have any real info on the ultimate god pack? According to their FAQ page you get the god pack by purchasing a founders pack so players will indeed need to repurchase every single god they own in Smite 1.
If that is the case I will not even bother with smite 2. Even ow2 allowed you to play characters you own, if you bought ow1.
@@themoondial2627 Check their faq page its all there.
I just hope Arena is added to the game and other game modes. I was to much of a noob playing conquest and didnt like ruining peoples games because i had no clue what i was doing. So hopefully Arena makes a comeback as well
Arena has always been the most popular game mode by far. I'm sure there will be a new shiny Arena in Smite 2.
Arena will definitely come back, maybe not in Alpha but I'm almost certain it will be there for full launch. Last time HiRez released data on it, Arena was the 2nd most popular mode after Conquest, not far behind.
Smite 2 would be cool if it was just a rebranding of Smite like CS2 was for CSGO. Better graphics but added gameplay mechanics and a way to feel that your live service to the game stayed intact. Dota All-Stars and Dota 2 were at the same until a certain point. They had the same balance, they had the same heros with some missing in Dota 2 because they were still being implemented, then All-Stars wasn't updated anymore because Dota 2 was the way you played Dota. I find it funny that Dota All-Stars stopped updated at the Troll Warlord/Sniper patch. Although I do believe this should've just been an update branded as Smite 2. Engine change, gameplay mechanics majorly overhauled. Which is why I come back to CS2. CS2 isn't CS2, but it might as well be. It took the environment we know but expanded on it with a new updated engine. Everyone's skin in CS2 looks better and is implemented and there's plenty. Hell the beta for CS2 crashed the skin market, but I guess that's what separated Smite from Dota and CS. They have a market to sell their skins which makes Valve money in the end run. No trading economy in Smite made it worthless to even care about porting all skins, because they make no money off it. It's free to play after all, and who knows what changes they make to characters wholesale could make them have to make new animation sets which cost money. They're not Valve working on their own engine which I get, but they're working with the same engine which could give them some leeway to update it to the new engine. I certainly feel like they don't give a single shit about what people spent on their live service game. They just don't want to drop profits on their rebranding because they don't have the money to.
Another Hi-Rez fail because they bought Tribes to turn it into shit, they made a BR because of the market that failed, then SMITE actually has a following but it declined, so they felt the need to rebrand.
Wanna know why LoL and Dota don't need to rebrand? It's because they have ways of spending your money that might turn into your benefit, which gains them money, which gains you benefits. Smite just lets you buy skins and characters that should be accessible from the start like Dota 2. League has the same but now it has Xbox Game Pass so spending 10 dollars a month (or 1 dollar if you're smart) nets you every champion. The game might be getting new features and better graphics, but why care if what you have isn't saved? CS2 IS FREE. CS2 also keeps your data from CSGO intact, implements a better world editor, and keeps your hard spent money intact.
There's no reason for Hi-Rez to keep fucking us as a community, but only for monetary gain. They killed a popular FPS. They made a BR game that sucked shit and money from us. They created a shit-tier "Moba" that defined classes instead of letting characters be multi-viable, unlike other Mobas.
I like SMITE, but the balancing is like League with the structuring of Dota in a TPS landscape. It has always been an amalgamation of the genres. As a Moba it's subpar to both, and I don't mean combined. I started with SC2 and meandered my way to Dota. Then League. Then SMITE. SMITE is leagues behind, pun unintended. Like I said before, it's the balancing of league, with the nuances of Dota, in a completely different perspective from both. The game was a cash grab from the start.
I'm gonna get some heat here but the bigger crossover event skins should get ported along with T5. Not only does it allow players to buy their old content back, it drains the pool of legacy gems encouraging players to buy more gems increasing revenue. From a business standpoint it makes sense.
I am new and I am gonna try it✌️
Welcome! ^^
My biggest wish for smite 2 is some more freedom in custom matches. I have a larger than average friend group that plays smite and we often find ourselves doing in house custom conquest matches. But it would be a lot of fun if we could do some sort of free for all game mode on the conquest map or maybe even revisiting the Medusa 3v3v3 map if that’d be doable but I think adding more to the custom games
I've played since the orginal closed beta and I'm so excited for a fresh start with a small roster again, even without my skins
Look, I know a lot of people have an issue with the skins not going over and gems thing and I fully get it. For me, this game looks AMAZING and I love that it’s getting this update. But I feel like this will make or break the game. There is no “Minecraft 2” or “League of Legends 2” because there’s no need for it. They overhaul the game as is! If the devs worked on updating the game to unreal behind the scenes and built it 90%, no one would mind them doing a huge update for like season 12 or 13. Getting someone to go fully over to another game is a real big problem. You want new players but you’re spitting on old/dedicated players.