I tested a TOUCHSCREEN for AUDIO PRODUCTION, it was NOT what I EXPECTED. Viewsonic TD1655.
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Review of touchscreen monitor for use in audio production in a recording studio. Using the daw such as logic, Ableton, protools, reason, cubase, fl studio, GarageBand, reaper, and studiolive. Behringer, Focusrite and Steinberg make audio interfaces for monitor speakers, mixing and mastering, Music that sounds amazing. you can use the touchscreen monitor for eq, compression, reverb and a variety of settings in the daw. It's a convenient way to work on audio, but is it not perfect.
Re: the size of buttons etc, thats because those apps are designed for computers. ipads and iPhones have separately built apps for this reason. I know what you mean though, i use my ipad with Cubase and Reason and lots of the buttons are too small. But i found the solution (it was in my hand), if you've for the apple pencil, it works fantastically man. - seriously i can't begin to describe how good it is in my DAW. You know how in reality you still have to type quite a bit, numbers, naming tracks etc. ? pencil does it. Also, when you use your fingers i find its really hard to window something without it thinking you want to zoom or pan etc but withe pencil, fingers to all zoom and panning, pencil does everything else.
Thank you for the review of all the pros and cons.
Hi thanks for the video....good to see someone trying a touch screen for mixing that's isn't 7 years old on CZcams.
I use two iiyama 27" touch screens running side by side....this give me 43 channels at once in Reaper.
The buttons are easy to use and my line of sight is not covered...no more than using hardware.
It's a shame that your video is using such a small monitor which is useless for touch screen...as most DAWs don't size the GUI for touch.
I think your experience on a larger screen would be very different.
It's very sad that the use of touch screens gets put down so quickly, it's almost luddite in its thinking.
In my opinion we should be able to use all DAWs with touchscreens and stop making excuses not to use them...after all most other industries from shops to hospitals use them every day without problems.
It's just the DAW makers will not spend any time developing their software to use with multi touch screens.
I can mix just as fast on a touch screen as with mouse and keyboard, it's the DAW that lets me down.
If anyone out their uses Reaper or any other DAW with touchscreens without any issues i.e. resizing the arrange window, zooming in and out of the waveform please let me know.
Cheers Phil
Yes, a larger screen might work better. There is a touchscreen designed to be use with audio, it’s called the slate Raven.
How about Acustica audio Modula ?
Or ssl 360?
I Use Reaper with a touch screen. but 90% of the time for mixing. there is still alot of kinks to work out when using it in the arrange view. ive fixed some by using shortcut buttons that i created to act almost like a slate Raven does. it helps alot!
Hi Phil, does the iiyama have an adjustable stand to alter the angle of the monitor? I'm using the Acer 27 inch touch screen but I'm thinking I'd like to buy a larger screen due to the issues shown here. You really do need a large screen to interact accurately with a touch monitor
@@stupidusername38 Yes, they are adjustable.
This is really interesting, because it shows how much DAW companies could help touchcontrol users by making their software properly usable.
Just for your information: all your complaints are totally valid and are instantly gone if you would have an interface by e.g. Touch OSC. Ideally a custom made Touch OSC interface. That’s a software built for touch control, through and through. Highly responsive, multi touch - and NEVER any problem with button sizes, haha. Because you can design your own mixer/custom GUIs. It’s not for everyone, i know, but i love it (actually i built a looper for bitwig for it - can be seen on my channel).
For touchscreens you want 50 inches or so.. For editing ,, for production you can use that screen to change presets and use parameters on instrument plugins , works a treat.
you work like this?
@@peterson53047 everyday there's really no other productive way to work
@@nicktreblemusic sounds great ! Thanks a lot!
I wanna try on 24 inches first. I wish is big enough for me.
@Pierre Baudinat thank you for sharing your experience. it is very helpful
I have an Acer 27 inch touch screen on my desktop. I'd like to go larger but can't find a large touch screen that can be angled(like in this video) do you know of any?
Good points, these are the issues inherint in UI designed for mouse we take for granted. I had an all in one with touchscreen and simply keeping my arm up to touch everything was too tiring, it woud be better layed flat but wasnt designed for that. That being said I found the touch convenitent for cetain things like closing windows, especially on Windows OS where its conveniently a nice big square in corner and you cant miss it , little things like that I was glad to have it for but not so much for everyday use. Miscrosoft paint from win7 did recognize the10 pts touch screen on this old all in one aswell and let you draw 10 lines with your fingers at the same time, so im sure today DAW's could let you drag more than 1 slider if they wanted too but none of them really designed their daws for touch. And people shamed windows 8 out of existance, which it was trying to be a touchscreen OS... we'd have touchscreen friendly software by now if that didnt happen... oh well.
Thank you for sharing :)
Thank you, have you tried to downscale screen resolution? everything can be 3x bigger
Along with this, you can also use your mouse with touch where mouse can do 10% of your work and touch with 90% of the rest, however, you wouldn’t get much use out of your larger screen then aside from analysis. The touch screen will save you tones of time and fatigue from using it mainly over a mouse. Subjective and objective for the time and touch.
I do this for my job on a touch screen daily.
Thank you for this review. I will be buying the larger version. Isn’t this screen advertised to do 10 point touch?
I would like to use the touchscreen for plugin adjustments only. Imagine if the entire screen was taken up by the selected channels MAGNIFIED plugs.
You just saved me some money as i was thinking of getting one to use as daw controller. Not being able to use two sliders is a deal breaker for me.
Another issue with touch sceen is the fatigue in your arms. Unless you put it horizontally on your desk.
I had been considering a touch screen for exactly what you're using it for. I think I'll stick to a non-touch monitor.
I’m using my HP laptop touchscreen and I can do a lot of good things. Not really deep into daw sample editing but some useful functions
You need a specific UI for touch. Touch cannot work with default desktop apps. For instance, on a Microsoft Surface, the OS changes the UI (add some space between buttons, etc.) when you disconnect the keyboard and use touch.
Thanks for the experiment.
I'm looking for something like a plug and play USB monitor so I can take the monitor into another room to record, delete set in out record points when doing vocals. That why your not running back and forward to redo takes. Everything else I'd by using the mouse on cubase
hi,, i have the same monitor vewsonic 1655 and I have exactly the same opinion.. after hours trying to setting this monitor.. perfect.. I have a touch property.. but.. it´s not easy to use.. and I find better and faster keep using my mouse..
but I found another tool to teach french.. I can draw with my finger using the apple app.. DEMO PRO.. and its very nice and fast write and design over the screen sharing using obs and google meet.. but i´m don´t like for use with logic.. i tried with protools and i thinks works a llittle bit better
thank you for sharing this information
maybe only get a bigger TOUCHSCREEN will be fine?
Yes, I think a bigger touchscreen would work better.
Maybe, you can reduce the resolution of your touch monitor. It'll be like using magnifying glass. Of course the downside is you'll see fewer information.
Yes, that’s a good point. Since making this video, I’ve tried that, and it helped a little bit.
Hey buddy - what microphone you used to record this video? sounds really good!
I think a better solution is to use a standard second monitor and use the Apple Magic Trackpad, you have a mouse behavior plus multitouch gestures
There is also another possible workflow if you have and iPad: use it as en external display (sidecar). The iPad only captures gestures (no click), the clicks can be done with the Apple Pencil
Seems like the problem is mostly Size...
You know you can change the DPI of the screen, right?...
you can zoom in screen size,not resolution but actual screen size. .......on windows at least
why wouldn't you change the resolution?
I use 32 inch tv with a touch frame. works fine.
Nice!
Umm, using a Passive (Capacitive) Stylus pen on your touch screen would literally solve most of the issues you have using your finger. Precession, ability to see changes, visual confirmations with 'mouse overs', etc, etc. I know it's not as quick as using a finger, especially while playing keys/music with the other hand, but i've seen people hang pens from their screens for quick access.
This type of stylus, and your finger, can not be differentiated by the touch screen; in return, it has all the precision of a mouse. Just as any stylus, used with a tablet, has all the precision of a mouse.
A good combination is a touch screen and a pen, when you need to precisely click on something small.
You have the pen right?
Can you change the touch screen resolution to lower? This way everything on screen will become bigger so it is easier to touch. Isn't it?
Yes, A few weeks after making this video I thought of that. I set it to the minimum resolution, which is how I keep it now, and it helped a little bit, but not much.
Why not just adjust with your ears - I can see the controls on my SSL console either - Change the resolution on the monitor to a large one I use touchscreen only for plug in control it's awesome
Try to change display resolution and use it like universal hardware plugin:)
Didnt u tried using the SYLUS pen u get with this monitor....i realy the cons portion can be taken in bit control with its usage of micro size touch. Would like to know your thoughts on the usage of stylus with this monitor.
Thanks for the review.
I have not tried it. For me, the purpose of a touchscreen is the convenience of just touching it, and to have to grab the stylus would be equivalent to grabbing the mouse.
@@Get.Beautiful.Recordings Yeah Make sense.
Have you try with some kind of stylus ?
I use a 27 inch Acer touch screen monitor which is 10 point multi touch. It means i can manipulate 2 faders at a time. I'd works amazingly with the new ssl 360 application. It feels like I'm working on a console
Um thats because your phones UI is designed for touch but desktop logic is not. (Ui designer here)
Can you change the resolution on the touch monitor so everythings bigger? I have thought about a touch screen for this very aplication mixing in the daw . I use reaper so i could customise the interface to suit. (I used to use logic)
Yes, after making this video I tried increasing the screen resolution. It helped a little bit, but not enough to change the overall experience.
You need to be willing to see less on your touchscreen to make the “buttons” appear larger
Yes, that's a good point.
One word: TouchOSC
cant you zoom in on small buttons by spreading 2 fingers?
No, unfortunately, that doesn’t work. Since making this video, I learned that I can lower the screen resolution which makes everything a little bigger, but that didn’t help much.
can i use a smartboard? 😅
Can't you just scale up the Zoom up?
Scale it to make everything larger
I tried that, and it helped a little bit, but not much.
Can draw and annotate on mac M1?
Pls help to share this as heard from other user m1 touch is not working still. And I need to have basic draw and annotations support
Screen is way too small bro
Touchscreen for this size of monitor for mixer control is practically useless. You need to use the dreaded mouse or get an iPad with an app that is made for touchscreen like Avid Control for example
Yup. I agree, but I didn’t know that when I bought it. Thanks for commenting:)
Damm… ur video is 80% about the cons. I kept skipping to the pro’s. Even when mentioning the very few pro’s u mentioned the cons again. The cons are actually gone if u just enlarge the screen with Command + …. Well u can guess with what since it’s about this topic. 😁
Yeah… after a couple years of having the touchscreen now, I just use it as an additional monitor, which don’t even bother with the touchscreen functionality. I tried enlarging it, but that wasn’t helpful for me.
@@Get.Beautiful.Recordings I was thinking enlarge and 2 touchscreens next to each other. Why was it not helpful after enlarging? It supposed to fix the thick fingertips problem.
@@Get.Beautiful.Recordings I hope the makers are reading ur problems. If I had money I would make a device to cover all these issues.
use a pen