24 Hour Sun in Antarctica? | The Final Experiment | GeoGebra Demo | Will Duffy
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- Will Duffy is the creator of The Final Experiment and hopefully later this year, (December '24), Dave McKeegan will accompany two FE'ers to Union Glacier in Antarctica to see if there is indeed a 24 hour Sun that circles their heads. If true, this should falsify the FE model.
I've always been meaning to write something like this and now I have a reason to do it. I made something similar a little while back in this video • Polaris Angles Earth O... but I took a huge shortcut by tilting the ecliptic instead of the Earth. I've learned a little bit more since then.
General things to note:
This demo is not to scale. The orbital speed is crazy fast and the rotational speed is crazy slow. However, the Sun angles shown should be reasonably accurate for Union Glacier.
Why this is a problem for FE:
• 24 Hour Sun in Antarct...
* Apologies for the poor audio. Will need to figure that out.
The Final Experiment Website:
www.the-final-experiment.com/...
CZcams Channel:
@The-Final-Experiment
🔗 GeoGebra Link:
www.geogebra.org/m/kcxjazpf
♪♫ Music: "Night Vigil" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) | Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License | creativecommons.org/licenses/b...
#earth #geogebra #subtitles
0:00 Intro
0:54 Main
The FE version
czcams.com/users/shorts9iKpVlt4KeM
Total, complete, and absolute Flatopia destruction. It was hilarious when Prof. Dave showed - with a model globe - how the December 24 hr sun works on the globe model, and Witless point-blank refused to acknowledge it does - even though it was utterly obvious to anyone with a brain stem.
And you think taking them there will make a difference? Pointless when any sane and sensible person has no doubt because we know the facts and the morons will refuse to ac ept them no matter.what.
Witless responded by demonstrating a solid block of glass atop a 'flat earth map' and shone a light through it and mumbled some kak about coffee cup caustics. When questioned about the sun being inside or outside the dome he replied that there might be multiple domes. I think he honestly believes his own nonsense.
@podge2525 No he doesn't, he just has to keep his grift going so he can never accept how wrong he is. Since his audience is completely stupid he doesn't have to worry too much about credibility. Or at all.
@@podge2525 "he replied that there might be multiple domes"
Hmm, sounds an awful lot like an appeal to possibility to me.
@@ReValveiT_01 That's flat earth in a nutshell.
Roohif, Charles and Petey uploading content within a week. This like Christmas, Easter and my birthday all at once.
Haha. I was listening to a bit of Bev Try Thinking last night when he interviewed Will Duffy on Friday and I sort of committed myself to writing something about this. Spent all day on it! 😊
Thou hast a 40th subscriber as of... now!
@@GymRowboat Many thanks.
Got links for those of us not familiar?
@@boekjar Links for Roohif and Charles? @roohif and @FlatEarthMath
I totally understand these orbital mechanics...but this graphic is just so freaking cool. Thanks for this video.
You're very welcome and thanks! 😋
Right? Very well put together. 👏🏾
Unfortunately, flerfs have recently started resuming their demonstrations of how a half-sphere glass paperweight, placed over a Gleason’s projection map, with a torch shone on the top of the paperweight, can sort of illuminate the entire Antarctic “ice wall” while not illuminating the North Pole.
They used to use this demonstration to explain away 24-hour daylight at the South Pole, then switched to denying the phenomena completely, now they’ve switched back. Because of The Final Experiment? Probably. They’re preparing their excuses.
As others have said, many of them will never switch their world view. It’s their only income after all.
#GottaLieToFlerf
Which can easily be countered with:
- Here the sun is outside the dome.
* If that was true, the heavenly waters would warm up reducing seasonal effects during a year, and reduce temperature differences between warm and cold areas.
* Some flerfs say the sun is burning (like fire). Heavenly waters would have extinguised it.
- Inside the dome there is air. The paperweight is solid glass. Try using a hollow paperweight.
For the glass hemisphere to be the explanation, we would all be living _inside_ the glass, rather than having an atmosphere to breathe! Maybe I'm being naïve, but wouldn't we notice that?
The "Final Experiment" slightly annoys me. I am an avid skier and have tracked the epic journeys of other skiers to the South Pole for years. Starting with the Roald Amundsen expedition, more than 300 people have skied to the South Pole, experiencing the 24 hour sun the whole way. The "Final Experiment" is superfluous.
Just never before sent any Flat Earthers there. That's the real experiment.
Yep, I hear what you're saying. It'll be interesting to see how FE'ers react when it's their own CZcams heroes coming back with first hand accounts!
Skiing is part of the conspiracy.
Fun Fact: The Russian word for snow is snowski.
@@FlatEarthMath 🤣
A person would be in a position to make a small fortune if they created a bit of software called GeoFlatGebra.
Yes, but it would be impossible to model a flat Earth, because nothing we see in the real world will match the flat software.
@@DaedalusYoung Never say never. I hear that FE physicists are on the verge of discovering a model that actually fits three data points without breaking.
@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 They could, if they tie the outer edge together to a single spot, and make the whole thing globe-shaped, then it would work. But it'd no longer be flat.
Petey, so nice to see a master at work. I really love this tutorial-style presentation, so that anyone could fire up Geogebra and do a decent job duplicating your work. And of course, there's the source code! Tons of folks in this arena have technical knowledge and skills, but it takes a special individual to be able to present a visualization that is genuinely informative and helpful. My one complaint is that you didn't show the checkbox in Geogebra which turns on the super appropriate, serene music.
♪♫ Night Vigil by Kevin MacLeod. How apt was that? Trust you to notice the music title! 😆 And thanks very much C for your kind words. I really do appreciate it. Gotta say your presentations are awesome! 😊
@@Petey194 Kevin MacLeod is awesome. Such a huge variety in his royalty-free catalog! The guy never sleeps!
Great job Petey!
Hey Blue! I’ll second that. 👍
Thanks Blue. 😁 🌎 ✅
@@David_Lee379 Cheers DL! 👍
Awesome demonstration!
Fantastic demonstration! Everything was well put together. Poor Flerfs, they’re in so much trouble. 😂
Yep, they're already scrambling 🤣 Thanks!
@@Petey194 Obviously flat earthers are going to move goalposts. There was a comment saying that if there is 24 hour sun in Antarctica it doesn't mean that the earth is not flat, and just shows that the current FE model needs to be rethought.
They desperately want to find a way to continue their fantasies.
@@mikep9604 Yep. If the observation doesn't fit their model then they either have to update their model to accommodate the observation or scrap the model entirely and start again. Their model is already replete with conflicts. One more ain't gonna matter much. :)
Another great visualization in GeoGebra! They should be paying you for showcasing its capabilities so well 😁
🤣 Oh I wish! Cheers mate!
Love it, including the possibility to download and "do your own research". I.e. no possibility for a flerf to claim 'fake'.
Haha, exactly. They can argue with globers all they like but they can't argue with geometry. And they know where to find the geogebra script if they want to look for underhandedness. 😇
They will just say "math isn't reallity"... and they NEVER do any research beyond watching youtube of other flerfs.
@@Petey194 Oh wait. They can (and thus will) claim that the GeoGebra is incorrect and has bugs! Followed by exhaustive and scientific evidence for that claim!
@@Petey194 LOL. Just kidding for that last part of course. It will be a claim and.............. nothing!
@@draco2k729 Their favourite words when checkmated by reality proven with mathematics and science is to call them "mathemagics" and "scientism"... 😂
That's a great demonstration, I love it!
So glad you liked it 😊
Brilliant Petey.
Props for the cool shadowy effect 😅
Haha! 👍 😆
I've offered to lend Dave one of my marine sextants to take down there, to measure altitudes throughout the day. If it comes off, we will be able to compare his measurements with the predictions that your excellent model has just made.
Cool and thanks. No one better than Dave to cover all the bases. He'll leave no stone unturned I'm sure. He won't leave them any wiggle room. 🤭
I hope Nathan Jokely eventually goes so he can rant and rave about how you can't get an angle from a curved surface as everyone with a sextant proceeds to get an angle... 😆
@@chrisantoniou4366 well, because of the position, somewhere up a mountain, with an uncertain thickness of ice sheet underneath, plus the surrounding topography, such a measurement is impractical anyway. I could lend him my aircraft 'bubble ' sextant, which has its own artificial horizon. But, it's way heavier [ 2150g vs 870g ] and I would also like some horizontal sextant angles taken, for which it is totally useless.
Instead, I'm suggesting an 'artificial horizon' is employed, basically a shallow pool of liquid with a reflective surface. No disputes that that is flat & level. It's an accepted technique for making measurements inland. Typical liquids have been water, mercury [?!] & molasses. They're not going to be suitable. I'm suggesting either diesel fuel, or kerosene [ jet fuel ].
The particular sextant is good for arcminute readings directly, with interpolation to tens of arcseconds.
I'm just waiting on a response from Dave, to sort out all of the details.🌞
I basically put forward 3 'tests' to carry out, for which measurements were required. One of these became subdivided into pt a & pt b.
Taking 'altitudes' at various times of day was already included in 2 of the experiments, so these details were under consideration.
One experiment is simply to confirm where on Earth they are [ assuming that it's not the Atacama Astrodome, having slipped them a mickey in the pre-flight champagne at Puenta Arenas ]. MCToon can do the sight reduction using his CAD globe method, & CoEA, andI can do the classic centuries old reduction. Flerfs can have a lash, using Gleason & Euclidean trigonometry.
Measuring altitudes regularly was also present. The flerf model says that the observer is somewhere near 'the ice wall', and the sun is on the Tropic of Capricorn. At its furthest distance, on the 'opposite' side, it is 16 680 nautical miles away, at its closest 3 120 Nm. We can bicker all day about the 'height' of that sun above the surface, but let's say 3000 miles [ 2607 Nm ]. By Flatzoid SOHCAHTOA, we can predict the observed altitude at any time. It's THEIR model, not our strawman. If it's suddenly NOT their model, then what is it, this week?
It doesn't matter whether they REALIZE that they are making predictions, or whether they could calculate what they should be. YOU MAKE A MODEL - YOU MAKE PREDICTIONS. And we can, and will test them.
I also want angular size measurements of the sun throughout the day, again, to test against their model, & perspective.
Finally, I want horizontal angle readings from some vertical datum line, as the sun moves on its journey from furthest to closest to furthest point. The flerf model says that it starts off eastwards, and moves an increasingly small amount each hour, until hour 5-7, when it will start to move westwards, at increasing hourly increments, etc. etc. but always 'in front'. The globe model says that it will simply move eastwards at 15° per hour, and pass directly behind the observer.
Time will tell, but the numbers shouldn't lie.
@@chassetterfield9559 I agree totally on the measurements... Indeed, it wouldn't matter what measurements were taken, they will all confirm that the Earth is both a sphere and rotating among other things besides, and as you say "the numbers shouldn't lie". However, flat Earthers DO lie, and should any of them go with everyone else to Antarctica they will either lie about their measurements, lie about the correct measurements, concoct some pseudo scientific word salad and claptrap, or simply invoke their old favourite - "mathemagics".
Geekin' me out. But you know what the Flerfers will say? "But you aren't using an elipitcal orbit around the sun ....sooooooo.... erf is flat!!!" 🤣😋
We're 6 months away from the trip and you can smell their fear already 😆
Shawn is going to have a baby when he sees this!
OMG I’m dying!
Nicely done!
I noticed there is a severe lack of flerfs in here with a seminal explanation as to why any of the things Petey is showing are wrong 😂😂
Maybe it is because they keep away from models that work and explain reality.
@@Petey194
more like just staying away from reality full stop!!! 😂😂
They are not very good with reality and hence they have to create their own little universe to play make believe in!
But turn out the light when you leave, PLEASE I can't sleep with the light on!!😳. Ill be up all season and 91.25 days is to long! Zzzzzzzz?😞. Take that flat earthers.
This. Is. Awesome! By any chance, would this file be available?
Yes, of course and thank you! It's in the description. The GeoGebra link will take you to their website where you can view it there or open the script in your own app!
Well done!
Thanks Jos. Your video today was awesome!
Nifty as always !
Thanks Cyg. Appreciate it! 😊
nice demo, thanks
That's right those videos of eminem songs were done 10 years ago in time travel from the present day, and no one knew it. 😊 I told you I'm the Creator
Nice work
Brilliant.
So you have produced a model based on the measured reality of our world. It’ll be great when Dave has made the first hand observation that is congruent with your geobra model.
Exciting times!
Not so much for the flerfs 😂
Yep. It won't be a holiday for Dave. I'm sure he'll busy working collecting data every moment he gets. Glad it's him going!
Fantastic demonstration video.
You will get 0 responses from the fe community
Thank you. I enjoyed making it. I would hope those that are still in the curious phase will take something from it. The genuine searchers.
@@Petey194 I'm not sure people who are curious about the earth being flat are watching videos like this one. And that's a shame. You could watch this video and go off and check what you are saying is correct. But the FE community don't.
Up until recently I had done zero geometry in 40 years. I could remember nothing, I still have to look up almost every single thing I don't understand.
@@Hold_My_Pocket I mostly agree with you but there'll be a couple of 'truthers' out there right now searching for content typing, "The Final Experiment", into the search bar. All we can ask is they take it on board if they come across it.
Same with me, but not quite 40 years ago 👴😜but definitely over 30. I was watching Roohif a couple of years ago explaining stuff using GeoGebra and he got me interested in testing stuff out for myself. First FE debate I saw was the Brian's logic vs Ranty over the Blackpool/Dow Crag observations.
I left school at 15 and tried to do night school but dropped out. Got a GCSE in maths like most people. I don't think I'm very bright at all and I'm always doubting myself. The great thing about geogebra is you don't need to be good at maths. It does the number crunching for you. To me it's like lego. But one brick down, then another and another and eventually you construct something which looks fancy.
@@Petey194 We have a similar background. I finished school around 15, retook my GCSE's didn't try any harder, so ended up leaving school with nothing to speak of.
The only reason why I watch the FE stuff is to learn.
Nice!!!
You lost much of FE with the term: VECTOR!
He also kicked off a flurry of note taking from the word saladly inclined.
Excellent work! Thank's, but sadly a flerf will not get it. If you were given a brain with a spoon you can't demand with a ladle!😅
Excellent !
Now do the same with flat earth model. Oh, wait, is there a model ?
🤣🤣🤣
This is an excellent illustration of the globe model. Unfortunately to the flat earther it's just that and doesn't prove anything. Infuriating!
Quite right! It doesn't prove anything... it proves EVERYTHING!
The grifters won't go, and their marks won't care.
I reckon you're right. 💯
🙃
The Earth's tilt is more like 23.4°, I think... which is probably why you didn't use 90 - 23.4 = ...
Since the tilt is what matters, why would anyone use 90°-the tilt angle? Flattards do because they think 66.6 means something. But we all know they’re idiots.
Please explain, with math, why you would subtract the degree of Earth's tilt (which is 23.44°) from 90°.
@@chriscasperson5927because the number 66.6 has a special meaning to the people you associate with.
No math required.
Cos(23.5) gets us the centre point for Polar circles where Sin(23.5) is the radius and it's the other way around for the tropics!
@@bigJovialJon 66.6? The one order of magnitude less of the number of the beast?
Why go to antarctica when you can easily check in northern Norway. I don't get why... but it's typical flat earth 'science'. They simply don't understand the basics of physics and geometry.
Pathetic.
(and very expensive trip compared to northern Norway, at least of all european minds)
If you think of their "model" and the Sun whizzing around the tropic of Capricorn, they will always have to look North for the Sun. NE, N, NW etc, but always North. They've admitted they will have a problem if the Sun circles their heads and have to look South for it. Why would they need to look South of 80° when it circles their model at 66½°S. That's the main crux of it. As a consequence, they also have to deny a 24 hr Sun there. They're happy with the 24hr Sun for the Arctic.
Regarding the sun, try to find a demonstration of a heat and light source heating and lighting a surface while the distance between that heat and light source and surface is left cold and dark.
Try to find some evidence that light, and heat, can travel as far as they say they can (millions and millions and millions and millions of miles) and then, again, while leaving its path both cold and dark.
I don't suppose you've ever sat by a campfire on a winter's day. The fire heats your face, even though the air is below freezing next to your skin.
@@FlatEarthMath Please, if you make any claims, any claims at all, provide as much evidence as you possibly can, such as demonstrations and experiments, to back up your claims, or I will have to assume that you cannot.
@@FlatEarthMath We're told that there are over three hundred billion suns in the, supposed, milky way and that's just the, supposed, milky way. I'm not even counting all the other suns we're told are floating around out there in "space".
Light propagates better in a vacuum.
Also, how, and why, isn't the heat, and light, from all those other, supposed, over three hundred billion suns, ALSO reaching the earth?
They tell us that a suns light, and heat, can go on indefinitely so how is the earth supposedly in a "goldilocks zone"? Especially when there's, supposedly, again, over three hundred billion suns in the, supposed, milky way alone.
@@FlatEarthMath "space" should be the, absolute, opposite of dark.
@@FlatEarthMath In the box above, look-up "clear vacuum chamber videos".
Bewdiful demo, Petey.
Looking forward to seeing the weak attempts to discredit this. They're always good for a laugh!
Cheers mate 😊. I can only hope they take it seriously. 🤞 Lots of 💰 being spent to send people down there.
@@Petey194 It seems Nathan Oakley's sock puppet has reared another of its ugly heads again... The dead giveaway is the "I'm not a flat Earther, but I know the Earth isn't a rotating sphere even though I don't have a model." What a maroon! 😂