@@condorX2 well, communism has never worked without being propped up by capitalism, and yet people keep trying it anyways. Repeating something over and over expecting a different result is the literal definition of insanity.
@@mclovin2155completely missed the point of the quote. She’s not an actual communist, the fallout world is stuck in the style of the 50’s. It’s a play on the red scare of the 50’s. Anyone’s who disagreed with the status quo is a communist, politics didn’t matter
@@mclovin2155 She meant that some people tag their opponents as "communists" simply to undermine their arguments and not because they are actual communists.
I love how Mr House is the only one who is openly critical of the idea. He is also the only one who doesn't throw out any vault ideas. Assuming this meeting is after 2065, then he has already made his predictions and has his plan underway. All he needed was information, and he was able to get it. He played their game and got Vault Tec to show their hand without revealing his.
@@Honey-Badgerinhouse definitely isn’t evil. He’s most likely true neutral. He isn’t even in this for personal gain, he just has a direct fascination with solving problems, and the nuclear apocalypse is just another problem to solve. He’s a pure capitalist
This meeting is in 2075, at the earliest. Pretty sure Cooper’s daughter is the same age in the backstories as in the intro, when the bombs fall. Most likely this is probably only a few months before the war, giving them time to establish experiments for each vault.
@@6davie It's more like Vault Tech's idea and she knows it was/is because Hanks cast friend mentions it. So the idea of VT dropping the nuke was a conspiracy but also true in their world. Though we've already seen that VT is mainly white but it doesn't mean only white people will be bad, as I am sure she knows VT are bad as she mentions with or without her VT still exists, so she has sided with bad people to potentially guarantee her safety (maybe next season we'll see her in charge of a vault).
Hearing this conversation is bad enough but Imagine hearing your own Wife/significant other Suggesting that they will be the ones to Personally Nuke the world. I mean how can you not be shellshocked by this..?
@@immortaljanus maybe threatened to expose her if she didn't give custody of the daughter? But I'm not sure cause it seems like no one cares even if they exposed their actual intent as the government was clearly in on it.
It gets worse when you're a war veteran who bled and sacrificed a lot to defend your country's soil, culture, and its people. It's really tragic imo, Barb wasn't probably like this when she married Cooper. Her greed for power in vault-tec probably corrupted her as time went on.
All I want to see is who among them was the absolute, utter genius who suggested locking up just one dude in a vault with a box of hand puppets and what was everyone else's reaction to that idea. 😂
I believe that vault was closed behind him. There was supposed to be other I'm the vault but things being hectic during nuclear holocaust, nobody made it and he was left to be the sock puppet king
I remember this being a very old fan theory about who started the nuclear war, this scene makes me feel like DiCaprio pointing at my TV because of both House and the theory.
@@cantionaleecclesiasticum5378 there has already been multiple theories on this. Its nothing new m8. Bomb in Megaton in F3 literally has vault-tec logo on it xD
If I remember correctly, this theory came from the original fallout bible, back in the 90s. When fallout story was first written it was planned to be a movie. At the climax the vault dweller found the CEO of vault tech (who had put his brain in a jar) had started the war to put his product to use.
@Kasumiwumi Or Barb changed a lot for the worse as she climbed up the vault-tec ladder. Imo, I don't think Barb was that twisted when she met Cooper. As the story went by, she probably got more power hungry.
To be fair she explicitly starts the sentence with “when I think about the future”, so it seemed somewhat normal to me that it’s her daughter she’d mention.
I dont know what's funnier the fact that none of them actually succeeded in what they wanted, at least in the long term, or the fact that those who stop their plans or stop the consequences of many of those plans were as follows: Fallout: the local water boy Fallout 2: descendent of the local water boy Fallout 3: a kid looking for the dad that went to get some milk Fallout nv: the freaking mailman Fallout 4: the single parent
@@zjuraeventide8949Idk, giant megacorporations being genocidally stupid and being thwarted by regular people is just about the least silly message I can think of. Something we really need right now.
I'm also surprised Poseidon energy wasn't at that table. Theyre the ones who built the oil rig which the Enclave fled to a month before the Great War of 2077.
I imagine the government is pissed at vault-tec for buying them out. So forming the Enclave would be a big middle-finger and largest sign of resistance against them and show that the government still has power.
@@imgvillasrc1608 No, they're basically one and the same, this scene is probably the start of what would become the Enclave. I mean, shit, the Enclave had direct access to all the Vaults in the country in Fallout 2 and even wore the blue jumpsuits. Their connection couldn't get any more obvious than that.
Because the show is inaccurate. Most of the show runners have never touched a fallout title, don't know what the game series wasteland is. And overall insult to the game series.
Grow up. And shut up. Imagine having that as your favorite quote, shill / moronic much. Out of every quote in existence, you are like, COOL QUOTE FROM VIDEO GAME. MY FAV! Grow up. Show sucks, and quote sucks. War never changes is to the point and isn't Disney like this shitty show is.
Whether or not they did drop the bombs isn’t the point here: it’s the fact that they planned to. The fact that Robert House says that the vault experiments are only hypothetical is what causes them to reveal it to everyone else. I’d like to think that this meeting is what convinced House that he needed a fallback plan, if he didn’t have one already. He clearly had known the end was nigh in FNV and was preparing, but he didn’t know when it would happen. In fact, his treatment of Vault 22 makes me think that he wasn’t on board with this, and evicted the vault dwellers there out of spite to Vault-Tec in order to mess with their plans.
I don’t think that they actually dropped the nukes simply because why would his wife who’s been doing all this to protect his daughter and him before the divorce? Why would she let her daughter go with him if she knew vault tec was going to drop the nuke? On that day Though I agree the point is that they would’ve done it if it meant profitability
@@smartsalamander8753 It predicted that the new currency would have the same shape as coins, but they dismissed the idea of bottle caps until courier suggested it
That reaction Cooper has is astounding. The level of detail including even your ears ringing like a gunshot after hearing something like that. The shock, the heartbreak, it feels like your brain shuts off bc you can’t process anything else other than that. They nailed this scene.
you can tell that he was holding out hope and in denial when she mentioned the vault's being available to the others, like as if the executives reactions were corrupting what her intentions were in her attempt to reel them in. But with that last statement, he realized she was one of them and it was the intention all along.
I used to do door to door marketing and used to sell life insurance. When Cooper’s friend said that vault -tech had a “fiduciary responsibility” to make its investors money…. that’s when I knew they did it.
@@cognitivedisability9864 im kinda hoping they go in the direction of "they were planning to drop the bombs, but china find out so they dropped their first", but vault-tec dropping them also works
@@Valseili mean lore/canonwise it’s ambiguos cause even the aliens are involved on who pressed the button first, even in games we know the plans of vault tech but never who did it. But we do see a vault tech nuke in 3 but also we see the implication of the aliens being involved and even the possibility of faking a man made bomb with their ray as it replicates a human nuke. It could’ve been the UK, CHINA, aliens, the US themselves and vault tech.
@@feelcollins4358 No. She was doing her job. Tells me more about her boss, that she feels compelled to obey then rebel. Her life and those she loves would be killed so easily. She seems like the corporate type. Its basically militaristic. You just do and dont ask questions. The check will be in the mail type person.
@@alexjack5158 she didn't look "compelled" to obey. She just has no morals, agreeing to start a nuclear war so that she and only those she cares about can get a "safe pass" doesn't absolve the fact she agreed with the idea that it's okay to kill countless others in the process
The way that these CEO’s talk about taking away human life like it’s nothing, like it’s theirs to play with….. like their god. It really mirrors companies like black rock and vanguard to a tee
No it dosnt. Humanity wouldn't be stupid enough to commit such atrocities. Because the Governments actually have agents who work undercover to look closely at such things. Not even the Russians would allow world War 3 to happen.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2ncblud wym you not gonna watch because it retcons. Give it a try! You can still not regard it as ‘canon’ as the games but its very good nonetheless
Correction. They had plans to drop the bomb. Nowhere does it say they went trough with it. In fact it's much more likely one of the other factions beat them to it. Seeing as how they were nowhere near done with their plans.
I've not seen anything in the games that says valtech fired the bombs but I have seen there logo on the megaton bomb but yes you are correct they haven't actually told us as of yet
I find it mental people actually think Vault Tec dropped the bombs even though all the evidence show against that. Like, can you imagine how much of insane idea it would be to make Cooper pay for Janey's alimony only to get nuked by his ex wife along with his daughter? Hilarious.
@@allanlock4561 People seem to really want gaslight themselves over this theory because some people in the past already mistaken megaton bomb logo for vault tec, but truth is its a different sign
"I am all-powerful Time which destroys all things, and I have come here to slay these men. Even if thou doest not fight, all the warriors facing thee shall die." - The Baghavad Gita. Most people know this verse by the translation given by Dr. Oppenheimer: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
And you were right. There are many scenes far more heartbreaking than this lol. It's more heartbreaking that they reduced the apocalypse to such a whacky Dr Evil plan and undermined the entire Fallout universe
@@richter6699oh puuuuleeease. The first game's villain had the genius plan to flood the wastelands with dumb sterile supermutants. Oh and he looked like he was melted in a microwave and had the super cool and serious name "The Master." That description of the master alone makes this scene in the fallout tv show look like game of thrones level of drama. Btw I love fallout 1. Just making a point.
The powerful americans considerong dropping a atomic bomb in Hiroshima... and the kicker was "hey, what if we drop ANOTHER?" damn monsters, this scene must have been easy to create
@@Subpar1O1Guy representing Jollibee here, I can attest. McDonald's is gonna respect Jollibee territory in the Philippine Commonwealth. Our vault experiment is to see how long Filipinos can adapt and survive without eating rice and chicken.
This is a legendary scene. Cooper Howard reaction is great acting. I had a feeling that Vault Tech would be crazy enough to do this and it kind of ties into the F76 vault dweller main mission(securing the silos). I think Vault Tech dropped two bombs(One in the USA and the other in China). Then after that, a massive misunderstanding and a nuclear war= “I don’t want to set the world on fire” 🎵
Yes because we mustn't offend Great Communist China and retain what happened in the video games, like where a full fledged war happened and as China was being beaten used nukes and resulting in America launching theirs and *kabloom* , it's gotta be some monstrously stupid "plot" by a bunch of 'rich capitalists' to somehow make a bunch of money by murdering most of the human beings in the country and the earth 🤷♂️
It makes sense, with the undetonated bomb in DC as we see in Fallout 3. They bomb the two world capitals, and everyone thinks the guns aren't under the table anymore, and start firing like crazy before they even check who the bomb is from (we can see in fallout 3 the bomb is a vault tec one, but I doubt the US even sent agents to check what it was.) Not a massive bombing, just a single push of the domino
There's a chance that the government also encourage them to do this so they keep their hand clean while secretly building Enclave. Peace talk my ass, there's no way the US agree to that with the world resource depleted
Man, Goggins is such an unappreciated acting gem. The moment his wife revealed that they will be the ones to trigger the Great War, you can just see his soul shatters. Absolutely heartbroken.
@@luigithemaniac3840? How is it his "wife's true nature" when she's literally didn't start speaking until she got the message from the shadowy figure above?
Dude the show fucking sucks. It's terribly inaccurate of the game series. Props, acting, moronic designs of "robots" and shitty sfx makeup. Show is shithouse, fan made series is better and that sucked also. Not to mention, 10+ year old fan series, which trumps this 1000X fold.
@lordflashheart3706 Their choice was fine I just like René Auberjonois...he did a FANTASTIC job playing House on Fallout Vegas and Odo on Star Trek DS9.
When he says the psychotropic drugs he’s talking about vault 106. The vault was in the capital wasteland and after 10 days the drugs were pumped in the ventilation system . Everyone went insane after just a few hours lost the ability to read and killed each other . 200 years later wastelanders would enter it and go insane putting on vault 106 suits convinced they were vault dwellers and kill each other again.
VaultTec didn’t actually drop the bomb first though, they had plans to do so. But when the peace negotiations failed due to VaultTec’s interference. China launched, and the bombs fell at 9:47 am eastern time oct, 23, 2077.
Kinda dumb though if you ask me. Vault-tec could've reaped a lot more profit by simply auction room space in the vaults. Then auction as well their plan b and c to those who can't afford the vaults. Really, when you think about it, Vault-tec would've profited far more during peacetime, cause during wartime, there would be no one who would buy their products (except the Enclave, maybe). They just shot themselves like what happened to Wilzig. Crippled but still alive.
@@imgvillasrc1608 Ultimately it's just terrible writing. Over the years they've centered the lore (and show) far too much around Vault Tec, who started out as a secondary player at best.
With Fallout, they have jumped around who dropped the bomb from alien mind control to the corporations viewed here. They continue to leave it ambiguous like all writings for tv or movies. It's unfortunately, how they draw people back with the cliffhangers.
@cmt6997 I'd just let this fault slide mostly because Fallout's lore has always shown to be best viewed in a satirical manner rather than serious. I mean, how power armor is presented and the whole NCR-Legion War itself is a dead giveaway.
I think this revelation was the most fittingly fallout thing to come out of the series. It reframes the whole series because the wasteland itself, which they helped create, is itself the product. The eternal 1950’s aesthetic, the stifling of progress even after 300 years and the NCR, even the damn slogan of the series (War Never Changes) is all a Vault-Tec “product” in a way. It’s the absolute nightmare scenerio of capitalism. I’m really anxious to see how much further it goes
I loved how the representatives of Big MT, West Trek and Repconn were coming up with experiment ideas for some of the vaults that were implemented into vault 11, 51, 87 106 and 75.
Interestingly enough, comparing the events that transpire in the games and knowing what we know from the series it is actually quite possible that Vault Tec did initiate the apocalypse by detonating a nuclear bomb on America. In this reunion we can see key figures of the world of Fallout, most important, Mister House, Frederick Sinclair and Leon van Felden. First and foremost Mister House: he knew the bombs would eventually drop so he built a an advanced system that could stop however many might target his domain (New Vegas), this kind of system would’ve been incredibly expensive and being the kind of man that he was he wouldn’t have built it ‘just in case’ but because he knew (probably due to this very meeting that we now see play out). Then we have Frederick Sinclair, Big MT associate that built a casino in the middle of nowhere, a place that while unaffected by the bombs (IE. there is no actual nuclear damage to the buildings of the villa or the casino beyond that which the radioactive storms caused, the lackluster materials from which it was built and the cloud which was corrosive too). He built it as a safe haven for the woman he loved knowing that it would survive even if he could not predict how unstable the cloud was. Finally Leon von Felden, head chief scientist of West Tek, the creators of the power armor and most importantly the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) which created the supermutants. Though he was a chief staff member of West Tek he wasn’t in the headquarters of West Tek (which was hit with so many bombs it turned into ‘The Glow’ a place where no life will ever grow both due to the FEV released into the atmosphere and the radioactive cloud from so many explosions) when the bombs dropped and instead was in secret military base (Mariposa) where, if not for being interrogated at the hands of Maxson (founder of the Brotherhood of Steel) after the soldiers there found out they were doing human testing, would’ve survived the nuclear apocalypse. They knew what would happen with certainty and they knew how to be prepared for it. They also mention key experiments from the games, the FEV experiments in Vaults and the hallucinogens in the ventilation system… I think they did drop the bombs.
I agree, but the thing is, she says "By dropping the bomb ourselves." Sure this could mean, using THE atomic bomb, however, I think it is more likely that the plan is: Vault-Tec drops one bomb on America. That alone is enough to start the war. Everyone is so hot-headed and afraid, one general orders a retaliatory strike without waiting for more info. The enemy then detects a wave of nukes. Thus, mutually assured destruction occurs. This way, vault-tec was responsible for THE atomic bomb that started it all.
They didnt. There are multiple reasons to suspect that they didnt. 1- those in charge of many vaults were caught unprepared and many experiments and vaults were not ready yet when the bombs dropped 2- the earliest mentions of nuclear activity occurred from American radar picking up Chinese warheads and subs enroute to the states 3- one of the creators of fallout stated the war started when the Chinese discovered the American FEV and demanded they cease those experiments. When the US refused China launched the nukes
What's funny is that prior to this TV series, I distinctly remember there being a movie scrip and within that script, it hinted that Vault Tec were the ones that dropped bombs on both China and the U.S. Both sides thought they launched their nukes at each other, and the rest is set in stone, with the nuclear exchange lasting only two hours. Now, I can't find it.
I love how during their brief “brainstorm” they mentioned experiments run in actual Vaults from previous games that are canon. - “pump the air system full of psychotropic drugs” - Vault 106 - “use FEV to make supermutant soldier” - Vault 87 - “Separate parents from children” - Vault 75 - “Overcrowd a vault” - Vault 15 It really shows the love and care that the writers have for the games. Can’t wait for season 2!
I thought Vault 15's experiment was basically having a bunch of people with opposing political and moral values all crowded together. Which explains how it eventually formed the NCR but also raider gangs like the Khans.
The bombs were going to drop no matter what, if the Americans didn’t do it, the Chinese would, if the Chinese didn’t, vault tec would, if vault tec didn’t, the zetans would.
In 2076, the president or vice president of Vault tec was abducted by zetans over the construction of Vault 76. I think it prevented a lot of people from being nuked from the Appalachian nuclear silos.
Still remember the AI that confessed to starting the war because “predicting outcome was too difficult with so many variables.” This was in older game, probably brotherhood of steel.
Just want to point out that this is how House knew to a mathematical certainty that nuclear war was inevitable; this meeting right here. Vault tec straught up tells him that theyre gonna do it. NV lore is completely intact and this isnt a retcon: this explains how he knew it was going to happen: vault tec basicallt said "if they dont, we will so it doesnt matter" Great attention to detail here. Cant believe people are taking this stuff and making up ridiculous conclusions.
Not really arguing here, just pointing out that this meeting happened near the time the bombs dropped whereas house said he made his calculations in 2065 which would be at least a decade before this. I still don't consider it a retcon however, as there's no reason to believe that house didn't already know the war was coming and still go to meetings like this
@@Bothrops_Asper_89Adding to this, nowhere during the meeting did House agree with anyone else's heinous ideas. He brought questions and criticism to the table just to get confirmation of what everyone else was planning. He likely didn't agree whatsoever, so he was never given the exact time Vault-Tec would start nuking, which is how he lost the Platinum Chip in the first place.
I don' t think her reasons can change the fact She Is responsible too and in complicity with this tragic idea..she knew and she did not anything to prevent. She Is a Monster...
"The House always wins" - he knew them well enough to know what the game was, Mr House is like Otto von Bismarck, he always has a plan and that plan has several others in the works, knowing being the supreme leader of America is a dream come true
It's weird to me that people are acting like the idea of Vault Tec starting the great war is absurd or lore-breaking. Over the course of the series, we've seen hints that this was the case, and heck, there was even a suggestion that _ALIENS_ started it. I always stand by my personal headcannon: it doesn't matter. The whole series, the environment itself, everything -- it all works in service of the idea that *everyone* dropped the bomb. The great war exists in the lore as an inevitability: the product of war itself. It could have been Vault Tec detonating nuclear devices WHILE China struck first WHILE aliens got the launch codes. All on the same day. But what does that change? Who cares who "started it"? The end result is the same because war...war never changes.
This, the mystery of who dropped the bombs was always so thrilling, now that we know who actually did it makes me think that we're not sure that Vault-Tek were the one that did it because I prefer for it to be a little mystery.
Exactly. Doesnt matter who started the war, but it's important to know everyone had a hand in it. This was an easy premise to come to, enough that after the intro for the whole series' plot, you realize the only thing that mattered was the present the survivors and their descendants now had to live with.
Walton Goggins acting in this scene in particular was incredible. The emotion in his eyes and whole face once he heard his wife on the agreement of the nuke was haunting….
Even though i knew EXACTLY what they were gonna say about the Nukes, this was still REALLY hard to watch. There are legitimate greedy people in the world just like this, all it takes is one horrbile decision.
I can only agree to that theory with Barb being a member of the Enclave. The hints are just too god damn strong for this theory. Her getting the message and then looking up to the shadowy figure, her suggesting to start with the nukes themselves, i mean these are just 2 hints, but these two hints *smell* like Enclave, so i think this is a safe 100% correct guess and not just a theory.
This scenario is the most illogical conclusion anybody could come to 😂 you would have to be a complete nutjob to think this. Even common sense should tell you this level of thinking is idiotic
"what if we made a vault, and just put in one guy" "Huh?" "Oh he won't be alone, he has himself and his other self, and his other selves to keep him company! Were gonna clone him and only him." "I dont know how a cloning venture would work with just one guy, but...i mean go off i guess?"
In just a few seconds Barb went from being a pretty normal by the books wife/mother character to one of the most evil characters in the franchise's entire history
Honestly, the idea of Vault-Tech starting nuclear attacks is pretty good. Given the fact none of their vaults - aside from the ones they would inhabit - were created to save lives, it always gave me the idea that a) they took advantage of the geo-political climate for their own gain or b) didn't want to lose money on vaults that may never be used if the war ended peacefully and so they took matters into their own hands. No one goes to that much effort of human experimentation without a guarantee there'd be humans to experiment on. I quite like this addition to the Fallout lore.
Not even mentioning the undetonated bomb in Megaton, I distinctly remember reading that theory in-game in Fallout 3. Whether in the main game itself, or in the Mothership Zeta DLC. Its as much a possibility that VT dropped the first bomb, as China finally dropping it on the US, to the aliens obtaining the launch codes to the nukes while in space. They may reveal in S2 that VT intended to drop it but got beat to the punch. Who knows? Im excited to watch what they do though, the show knocked it out of the park so hard it made me buy New Vegas since I never played it!
I know Mr House grabs all the atention here, but I love how this scene confirms that Frederick Sinclair built the Sierra Madre casino as a huge fortress and shelter for Vera Keyes, because he already knew the bombs were going to drop
Yeah i do wonder about that. Im thinking maybe when they say the bombs dropped, they actually mean the bombs DROPPED. No smoke trails. Just air dropped bombs. How they got past any surveillance or detection, dont ask me.
An ICBM enters the atmosphere, then cruises to a release point where the multiple stages begin detaching. The final stage which is the reentry vehicle with warhead has no engine on the back to create an exhaust plume, it has an extremely high ballistic coefficient to manage it’s sonic sound signature, and you’ll hear the detonation before you hear that anyway.
@@woodrowcall3158 i saw a video here on youtube, of the russians testing their icbm. it has a distinct white stripe as it descends, from the high temperature such a direct entry into the atmosphere creates.
@@Mario-xk4hr no he is making the point that they did in fact stage those explosions from the ground, it wasnt an attack from any foreign country but a setup by vault tec to start the cataclysm that would ensure their business stays profitable and they remain the major monopoly
House: My "esteemed peers" intended to conquer the free market by lighting a match and waiting until the fire burns itself out. When the fires consume them, I intend to be the man selling water.
Someone watched over them during the meeting, someone who could control Vault-Tec (My guess was the Enclave) So even if Vault-Tec really drop the bomb, it was by the order of Enclave.
Here is the power structure of the vault-tec corporation and the big FOUR THE ENCLAVE THE INSTITUTE VAULT-TEC CORPORATION west-tek big Mt ROBCO REPCONN
in case some of you think this is exagerated or silly, ive seen and heard fantastically rich people talk about us common people like this in real life, as a waiter in events catering to the ultrea rich. It wouldnt surprise me if one day those same people stage a war with china in a desperate bid to stave off western collapse and prevent the global south from claiming the top spot. In fact I'm certain this is exactly what's going to happen in the near future.
Truly rich and powerful people are insanely desensitized from humanity, couldn't even begin to tell you the very small amount of shit I witnessed in LA years ago
It's adorable that you think the global south will ever claim the top spot. Your beloved social democracies are the ones most oppressive of the global south. The EU has been weakening its restrictions on countries like France, explicitly so that they can sabotage and brutalize Africa. Meanwhile, China is frothing at the mouth to burn all of Asia to the ground.
Tht still doesn't explain why they would give up their riches just to invest the rest of their lives in some weird obsessed experiment underground and why any company would go through with this when there's no profit motive. Even a corporation wouldn't be able to amount to this because the government wouldn't be able to govern anything left.
I always preferred the idea that they were simulating conditions and obstacles we’d face on a colony ship in space and it’s a shame they didn’t stick with that
I love Tim Cain but that's really boring. *"Earth is screwed, lets see how humans can handle space-travel (that will never happen)."* The corporate conspiracy direction here is just a lot more riveting. Plus with the vaults in New Vegas having really F'ked-up yet very memorable social experiments, of which is written by most of the OG Fallout 1/2 guys, it makes no sense why these are even meant to show how humans would behave in an isolated ship. Select people cryogenically freezing themselves defeats that entire preface.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 You can have the corporate conspiracy part here and still have the goal be research for a long distance spaceship. It makes more sense to me, this entire plan here is very confusing. They're going to inherit the earth by...putting a select few in VIP vaults, than assume that nobody in the experimental vaults and on the surface will survive, than kill any that do after they're done coming out of Cryo, which they will spend hundreds of years waiting to do for no apparent reason long after the surface is inhabitable, so they can rule a wasteland of ruins with a breeding pool of people they put in Vaults with a communist system of living, so they can "win" the capitalist game and be the top of the food pile? Why have control vaults, why give Vaults GECKs, why make Vaults even survivable at all, why wait hundreds of years to come out of Cryo, why keep a breeding pool society in the dark that can turn against you, why set up a war against the other Vaults and wastelanders, why all this to inherit an irradiated planet... ..it makes more sense to me that they plan to get on a spaceship, use the vaults experiments research data to inform how to handle the trip across generations, and they are simply apathetic about what happens to everyone who survived they left on earth You can keep the corporate conspiracy angle, but the goal of the conspiracy makes no sense IMO. Tim's spaceship plan outline does. The experiments themselves can still be crazy, not necessarily the most logical think to test for spaceship living research.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 Except they mention it would take many hundreds of years to reach a space colony, and the cryogenic freezing fails after like 200ish years based on fallout 4. I'd imagine the executive vault is on its last legs, probably gonna be the plot for next season.
This scene really enhances that opening of the series, Howard didn’t want to do the Thumbs Up cause it’s the symbol of the people actively starting Nuclear Armageddon and he’s the Poster Boy for them and he’s one of the only people aware of that fact. My guess is after the meeting, he took his daughter away from his wife, possibly divorcing since she’s nowhere in the first episodes intro and Howard got called a Commie leading to him doing little cowboy shows for rich children’s birthday parties
This just adds to the horror of Coop's situatuion in episode 1, seeing it all go off not only knowing that it was all pre-planned, but that his wife very likely could have pressed the button herself. Poor guy.
I love how Cooper is listening to them talk about the experiments all normal-like it was a regular business meeting, but he knows how insane it is and how awful all of this actually is.
I mean it is definitely possible that vault tec dropped the first bomb. I think it's in 3 or 4 but you definitely find a bomb with the vault tec logo on it in the middle of an American city. If they keeping with game lore idk they usually differ greatly. Even threw the game series lol.
3 and you're thinking of the one in The Pitt (i.e. Pittsburgh), which is a reuse of assets from the bomb we see in the middle of Megaton. While the logo on the side is *heavily similar* to Vault-Tec's, it isn't the same. The logo on the bomb has only 2 stripes, the actual Vault-Tec logo has 3, a long one and 2 shorter ones above and below. It's similar but not the same.
They didn't even need to drop it. Just hack the mainframe and create a false alarm. You know how many false alarms almost caused nuclear annihilation in real life?
There was a computer entry in Fallout Tactics (in Vault 0 if i remember right) that stated that Vault Tec are the ones that started it and dropped the first bomb. We knew this back in 2001. It's just that Fallout Tactics isn't as well known as the other Fallouts, and there was the question for awhile whether Fallout Tactics was still canon.
I like how at the beginning of the show you assume the Ghouls divorce was his fault. No way you could foresee it being his wife suggestion to nuke the world 😂
The set design of the room looks heavily inspired by the war room from Dr Strangelove, which, in a way, tells exactly you how this scene ends. Really clever detail.
Robert House: “I’m surrounded by suicidal morons, later idiots”
Same for this.
Moldaver: "Communist is a dirty word use to describe people who aren't insane "
Funny mimd programing line. There is nothing worse than comunism and those whonsay comunism is good are absolute cretins.
@@condorX2 well, communism has never worked without being propped up by capitalism, and yet people keep trying it anyways. Repeating something over and over expecting a different result is the literal definition of insanity.
@@mclovin2155completely missed the point of the quote. She’s not an actual communist, the fallout world is stuck in the style of the 50’s. It’s a play on the red scare of the 50’s. Anyone’s who disagreed with the status quo is a communist, politics didn’t matter
@@mclovin2155 She meant that some people tag their opponents as "communists" simply to undermine their arguments and not because they are actual communists.
I love how Mr House is the only one who is openly critical of the idea. He is also the only one who doesn't throw out any vault ideas. Assuming this meeting is after 2065, then he has already made his predictions and has his plan underway. All he needed was information, and he was able to get it. He played their game and got Vault Tec to show their hand without revealing his.
Mr. House is mad genius kind of evil: he can see the long game. I saw the rest of those CEOS as too self-obsessed to have any sense other than profit.
The House Always Wins
@@Honey-Badgerinhouse definitely isn’t evil. He’s most likely true neutral. He isn’t even in this for personal gain, he just has a direct fascination with solving problems, and the nuclear apocalypse is just another problem to solve. He’s a pure capitalist
This meeting is in 2075, at the earliest. Pretty sure Cooper’s daughter is the same age in the backstories as in the intro, when the bombs fall. Most likely this is probably only a few months before the war, giving them time to establish experiments for each vault.
It was all a game to him and he didn’t even need to gamble to win, nor show his cards, that why the house always win.
“Go on Barb, set em straight” followed by Barb suggesting they nuke their own country is so gut wrenching
Wasn’t her idea. 2:16 Someone sends her the message to her pip boy. You can see her look up at someone in the upstairs room.
@@alexjack5158 holy hell, I've watched this episode several times already, yet I never noticed that. great catch!!
@@6davie It's more like Vault Tech's idea and she knows it was/is because Hanks cast friend mentions it. So the idea of VT dropping the nuke was a conspiracy but also true in their world. Though we've already seen that VT is mainly white but it doesn't mean only white people will be bad, as I am sure she knows VT are bad as she mentions with or without her VT still exists, so she has sided with bad people to potentially guarantee her safety (maybe next season we'll see her in charge of a vault).
@@6davie stay mad snowflake
@@6davietrash bait
Walton Goggins is one hell of an actor. He should get an Emmy for his portrayal of the Ghoul.
I'm hoping he'll have major roles in Hollywood after this
@@constipatedparker5879the dude was in Hateful eight… one of his best performances of all time!
@@sentientmeat8975 he deserves to be lead character. He was amazing in Django too but as a side villain.
@@constipatedparker5879 he wasn’t a side villain in the movie I’m on about “hateful eight” he was basically second lead to Samuel Jackson…
@constipatedparker5879 He has been in a plethora of great films he usually just isn't the lead, he has also been in tons of great shows
“C’mon Barb! set ‘‘em straight”
He did not knew his own wife was the least straight of the panel
Hearing this conversation is bad enough but Imagine hearing your own Wife/significant other Suggesting that they will be the ones to Personally Nuke the world. I mean how can you not be shellshocked by this..?
He did, that's why he divorced her. The problem I have is how did he manage to keep his kid.
@@immortaljanus yea Ik he did I was just putting it into perspective as to just how horrifying this whole scenario is for the guy.
@@immortaljanus maybe threatened to expose her if she didn't give custody of the daughter? But I'm not sure cause it seems like no one cares even if they exposed their actual intent as the government was clearly in on it.
@@astarionposting Not sure the government was colluding, but the president seems to have been tipped off.
It gets worse when you're a war veteran who bled and sacrificed a lot to defend your country's soil, culture, and its people.
It's really tragic imo, Barb wasn't probably like this when she married Cooper. Her greed for power in vault-tec probably corrupted her as time went on.
All I want to see is who among them was the absolute, utter genius who suggested locking up just one dude in a vault with a box of hand puppets and what was everyone else's reaction to that idea. 😂
Gary...
@@immortaljanus Gary?
@@immortaljanusNaya is talking about Vault 77. The Gary clones were Vault 108.
@@Tengen518Gary!
I believe that vault was closed behind him. There was supposed to be other I'm the vault but things being hectic during nuclear holocaust, nobody made it and he was left to be the sock puppet king
I loved how the circular light overhead and the map of the US behind them make up the image of a mushroom cloud at 1:26.
Damn never noticed that Nice catch
So cool! Well spotted
Damn
It’s lifted straight from Dr. Strangelove
Good eye!
I remember this being a very old fan theory about who started the nuclear war, this scene makes me feel like DiCaprio pointing at my TV because of both House and the theory.
Show us that fan theory
@@cantionaleecclesiasticum5378 there has already been multiple theories on this. Its nothing new m8. Bomb in Megaton in F3 literally has vault-tec logo on it xD
If I remember correctly, this theory came from the original fallout bible, back in the 90s. When fallout story was first written it was planned to be a movie. At the climax the vault dweller found the CEO of vault tech (who had put his brain in a jar) had started the war to put his product to use.
@@kptmaci4979Which proves nothing, considering it was inside a crashed bomber that created the crater in the first place.
@@kptmaci4979that’s an urban myth. It has a very faded USAF symbol on it, the exact same as found on the planes at Rivet City
imagine becoming this twisted because you stayed at home and waited for the mail
She was gaslighting him like it was her birthright
@Kasumiwumi Or Barb changed a lot for the worse as she climbed up the vault-tec ladder.
Imo, I don't think Barb was that twisted when she met Cooper. As the story went by, she probably got more power hungry.
❤😂
@@imgvillasrc1608 Agreed. Regardless, I appreciate the humor of the comment @kentallard8852.
@@imgvillasrc1608 didn't you hear how much she suffered in the war
2:37 notice she says she thinks about her daughter and not her family, she was long gone on that corporate ladder.
Holy… I never caught that. Good ears, brother!
Typical boss babe
aww and 200 years later cooper says "my family" not just my daughter. guy still has a heart of gold under that rough exterior and i feel for him :(
To be fair she explicitly starts the sentence with “when I think about the future”, so it seemed somewhat normal to me that it’s her daughter she’d mention.
@weirdflex271, she’s specifically talking about the future. Her daughter is the future that’s why she’s specifically talking about her there.
I dont know what's funnier the fact that none of them actually succeeded in what they wanted, at least in the long term, or the fact that those who stop their plans or stop the consequences of many of those plans were as follows:
Fallout: the local water boy
Fallout 2: descendent of the local water boy
Fallout 3: a kid looking for the dad that went to get some milk
Fallout nv: the freaking mailman
Fallout 4: the single parent
Lmao, Fallout lore gets pretty ridiculously silly when you look at it like that
i would say they either were stopped or their plans went out the window, especially with west teks super mutant proposal
@@zjuraeventide8949Idk, giant megacorporations being genocidally stupid and being thwarted by regular people is just about the least silly message I can think of. Something we really need right now.
@@pastlife960 Idk, giant megacorps being stopped by a water boy, mailman, and single parent is ridiculously silly. Something we really need right now.
They all had a very particular set of skill.
I'm also surprised Poseidon energy wasn't at that table. Theyre the ones who built the oil rig which the Enclave fled to a month before the Great War of 2077.
They had no idea
I imagine the government is pissed at vault-tec for buying them out. So forming the Enclave would be a big middle-finger and largest sign of resistance against them and show that the government still has power.
@@imgvillasrc1608 No, they're basically one and the same, this scene is probably the start of what would become the Enclave. I mean, shit, the Enclave had direct access to all the Vaults in the country in Fallout 2 and even wore the blue jumpsuits. Their connection couldn't get any more obvious than that.
Well the assumption is the shadowy figure is the enclave
Because the show is inaccurate.
Most of the show runners have never touched a fallout title, don't know what the game series wasteland is.
And overall insult to the game series.
Its great how an ip just changed my favorite quote from "war never changes" to "Everyone wants to save the world they just disagree on how"
Grow up. And shut up. Imagine having that as your favorite quote, shill / moronic much.
Out of every quote in existence, you are like, COOL QUOTE FROM VIDEO GAME. MY FAV!
Grow up.
Show sucks, and quote sucks.
War never changes is to the point and isn't Disney like this shitty show is.
@@Prof.Pwnalot🤓
they want to save their priveleged position on top of hierarchy
@@queterian1526BOS 🤝Enclave
Agreed
Whether or not they did drop the bombs isn’t the point here: it’s the fact that they planned to. The fact that Robert House says that the vault experiments are only hypothetical is what causes them to reveal it to everyone else. I’d like to think that this meeting is what convinced House that he needed a fallback plan, if he didn’t have one already. He clearly had known the end was nigh in FNV and was preparing, but he didn’t know when it would happen. In fact, his treatment of Vault 22 makes me think that he wasn’t on board with this, and evicted the vault dwellers there out of spite to Vault-Tec in order to mess with their plans.
I think you mean vault 21?
@@cortez1030 I probably did. It’s been a bit since I played NV
I don’t think that they actually dropped the nukes simply because why would his wife who’s been doing all this to protect his daughter and him before the divorce? Why would she let her daughter go with him if she knew vault tec was going to drop the nuke? On that day Though I agree the point is that they would’ve done it if it meant profitability
House is always contemptuous of other people.
I don't think the literally dropped the bombs themselves. Moreso that they fanned the flames in order to guarentee that all out nuclear war erupts.
"What if we have a Vault that's actually just a big bottlecap factory?"
"...why?"
"I dunno, I just got a good feeling about bottlecaps"
You joke, but in Old World Blues a pre-war facility uses bottlecaps because the person who built it predicted that would be the currency.
I don't think any of them looked at their vault ideas and asked "why" actually...
@@smartsalamander8753 It predicted that the new currency would have the same shape as coins, but they dismissed the idea of bottle caps until courier suggested it
That reaction Cooper has is astounding. The level of detail including even your ears ringing like a gunshot after hearing something like that. The shock, the heartbreak, it feels like your brain shuts off bc you can’t process anything else other than that. They nailed this scene.
Yeah, the look on his face after what his wife said gave me goosebumps. He sold that shock so well. 🍻
Goggins has range even in his past work
@@peach-panther Definitely an underrated actor
you can tell that he was holding out hope and in denial when she mentioned the vault's being available to the others, like as if the executives reactions were corrupting what her intentions were in her attempt to reel them in. But with that last statement, he realized she was one of them and it was the intention all along.
Me hizo recordar la reacción de Legasov en la serie Chernobyl al leer el informe de victimas de quemaduras😮
I used to do door to door marketing and used to sell life insurance. When Cooper’s friend said that vault -tech had a “fiduciary responsibility” to make its investors money…. that’s when I knew they did it.
Been doing fallout for years, i always suspect it. Now the telenovela confirms it. I want to play again hehe
@@Valseil Same, all hints suggested they triggered the event. But the show hasnt 100% confirmed it yet. They only spoke about doing it.
@@cognitivedisability9864 im kinda hoping they go in the direction of "they were planning to drop the bombs, but china find out so they dropped their first", but vault-tec dropping them also works
@@Valseil iirc That was going to be a major aspect of the cancelled Fallout movie, so seeing them reuse that idea for this isn't that surprising.
@@Valseili mean lore/canonwise it’s ambiguos cause even the aliens are involved on who pressed the button first, even in games we know the plans of vault tech but never who did it. But we do see a vault tech nuke in 3 but also we see the implication of the aliens being involved and even the possibility of faking a man made bomb with their ray as it replicates a human nuke. It could’ve been the UK, CHINA, aliens, the US themselves and vault tech.
when ur wife had a plan to wipe out humanity 💀
Wasn’t even her idea 😂 2:16 she gets a message sent to her pip boy from someone hiding up stairs in the shadows.
@@alexjack51582:24
@@alexjack5158 she still went along with it as if there was nothing wrong with that idea 😂
@@feelcollins4358 No. She was doing her job. Tells me more about her boss, that she feels compelled to obey then rebel. Her life and those she loves would be killed so easily. She seems like the corporate type. Its basically militaristic. You just do and dont ask questions. The check will be in the mail type person.
@@alexjack5158 she didn't look "compelled" to obey. She just has no morals, agreeing to start a nuclear war so that she and only those she cares about can get a "safe pass" doesn't absolve the fact she agreed with the idea that it's okay to kill countless others in the process
The way that these CEO’s talk about taking away human life like it’s nothing, like it’s theirs to play with….. like their god. It really mirrors companies like black rock and vanguard to a tee
No it dosnt. Humanity wouldn't be stupid enough to commit such atrocities. Because the Governments actually have agents who work undercover to look closely at such things. Not even the Russians would allow world War 3 to happen.
capitalism
Ahhh those are just conspiracy theories.
@@kentallard8852 Corporatism*
@@USHistoryOnlineit's funny how capitalism always ends in corporatism huh? You coward, call the thing by its name, don't make excuses
"By dropping the bomb ourselves." So Cold.
this is some the last of us beginning moment, when they are having the interview and the mic gets dropped moment
Hmmm well said. I won't be watching the tv show .It recons too much. Still it seems to have its strong points and her says this is one of those....
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2ncblud wym you not gonna watch because it retcons. Give it a try! You can still not regard it as ‘canon’ as the games but its very good nonetheless
@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc the games aren't any different. They retcon stuff all the time.
@@ANGRYWOLVERINE2060-ft2nc the original creator of fallout was fine and even happy with the way the show turned out so just give it a try
The actor playing Mr. House sounded so cool and cold at the same time. Truly a pro gambler.
#TheHouseAlwaysWins
I just desperately wish Rene had lived to voice him in Season 2.
4:37 The most "oh fuck" moment in Fallout history. Bravo to the writers that make this show into a reality
and Walter Goggins acting was on point combine with the white noise made the scene more impactful.
Literally Kamala Harris lmao
Cuz Walton Goggins is ana amazing actor
Bravo Vince
@@g148b4 His portrayal of total shock at those words was my favorite scene in the entire show.
Correction. They had plans to drop the bomb. Nowhere does it say they went trough with it. In fact it's much more likely one of the other factions beat them to it. Seeing as how they were nowhere near done with their plans.
I've not seen anything in the games that says valtech fired the bombs but I have seen there logo on the megaton bomb but yes you are correct they haven't actually told us as of yet
@@allanlock4561the nuke in megaton
In fallout 4 ,there is a Chinese submarine that mention dropping bombs ..i just want to mention it.
I find it mental people actually think Vault Tec dropped the bombs even though all the evidence show against that. Like, can you imagine how much of insane idea it would be to make Cooper pay for Janey's alimony only to get nuked by his ex wife along with his daughter? Hilarious.
@@allanlock4561 People seem to really want gaslight themselves over this theory because some people in the past already mistaken megaton bomb logo for vault tec, but truth is its a different sign
Love that line.."what is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction...time"
It’s from the Bhagavad Gita
@@theunravelerthis is a book right?
C&C Red Alert Albert Einstein can confirm. Time is a serious superweapon.
@@imgvillasrc1608 wonderful game series, 3 especially holds a special place in my heart ☕
"I am all-powerful Time which destroys all things, and I have come here to slay these men. Even if thou doest not fight, all the warriors facing thee shall die." - The Baghavad Gita. Most people know this verse by the translation given by Dr. Oppenheimer: "I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
I bet you weren't thinking when he put the earpiece in you were about to watch the most heartbreaking scene in television history
And you were right. There are many scenes far more heartbreaking than this lol. It's more heartbreaking that they reduced the apocalypse to such a whacky Dr Evil plan and undermined the entire Fallout universe
@@richter6699Bethesda doesn't understand Fallout. They're just there for the monies.
@@richter6699
Wasn't a lot of Fallout villains boils down to the same whacky dr evil? Even Ceasar was like that.
@JPerry-jw9ik Tim Cain seems to think that bethesda understands fallout. If you don't know who that is then maybe YOU don't understand fallout
@@richter6699oh puuuuleeease. The first game's villain had the genius plan to flood the wastelands with dumb sterile supermutants. Oh and he looked like he was melted in a microwave and had the super cool and serious name "The Master." That description of the master alone makes this scene in the fallout tv show look like game of thrones level of drama.
Btw I love fallout 1. Just making a point.
Here's the kicker. These are real conversations that have already been had.
I can attest to this, I was there representing Coca-Cola
@@CaptainSalazar69 I was also there representing McDonald's. Need to keep the people fed yknow
The powerful americans considerong dropping a atomic bomb in Hiroshima... and the kicker was "hey, what if we drop ANOTHER?" damn monsters, this scene must have been easy to create
@@Subpar1O1Guy representing Jollibee here, I can attest. McDonald's is gonna respect Jollibee territory in the Philippine Commonwealth.
Our vault experiment is to see how long Filipinos can adapt and survive without eating rice and chicken.
@@Subpar1O1 what if we filled a vault with only McDonald’s and Coca Cola products?
This is a legendary scene. Cooper Howard reaction is great acting. I had a feeling that Vault Tech would be crazy enough to do this and it kind of ties into the F76 vault dweller main mission(securing the silos). I think Vault Tech dropped two bombs(One in the USA and the other in China). Then after that, a massive misunderstanding and a nuclear war= “I don’t want to set the world on fire” 🎵
Yes because we mustn't offend Great Communist China and retain what happened in the video games, like where a full fledged war happened and as China was being beaten used nukes and resulting in America launching theirs and *kabloom* , it's gotta be some monstrously stupid "plot" by a bunch of 'rich capitalists' to somehow make a bunch of money by murdering most of the human beings in the country and the earth 🤷♂️
Vault tech probably dropped a lot more than two. A vault tech bomb was in megaton, dc
It makes sense, with the undetonated bomb in DC as we see in Fallout 3. They bomb the two world capitals, and everyone thinks the guns aren't under the table anymore, and start firing like crazy before they even check who the bomb is from (we can see in fallout 3 the bomb is a vault tec one, but I doubt the US even sent agents to check what it was.) Not a massive bombing, just a single push of the domino
Seems plausible,I’ve always suspected that Vault-Tec had a direct hand in igniting The Great War of 2077.
There's a chance that the government also encourage them to do this so they keep their hand clean while secretly building Enclave. Peace talk my ass, there's no way the US agree to that with the world resource depleted
Man, Goggins is such an unappreciated acting gem. The moment his wife revealed that they will be the ones to trigger the Great War, you can just see his soul shatters. Absolutely heartbroken.
He was awesome in the hateful 8
4:40 tht moment of acting that make the show go from good to great
Yea. He captures the realization of his wife's true nature perfectly.
When you're old, it's pretty easy to tear up on command :)
@@luigithemaniac3840? How is it his "wife's true nature" when she's literally didn't start speaking until she got the message from the shadowy figure above?
@@seismic6435 she's willing to work for the company that does this, and he only has audio.
Dude the show fucking sucks.
It's terribly inaccurate of the game series.
Props, acting, moronic designs of "robots" and shitty sfx makeup.
Show is shithouse, fan made series is better and that sucked also.
Not to mention, 10+ year old fan series, which trumps this 1000X fold.
I wish they could have had René Auberjonois play Mr. House. But sadly he passed away.
It is the most french name of all french names.
@@titan-framboise3126 He played as Mr. House in Fallout New Vegas.
They should have used his actor for Sinclair instead. House should have been a little older.
@lordflashheart3706 Their choice was fine I just like René Auberjonois...he did a FANTASTIC job playing House on Fallout Vegas and Odo on Star Trek DS9.
The actor they got for House in this scene did alright imo
When he says the psychotropic drugs he’s talking about vault 106. The vault was in the capital wasteland and after 10 days the drugs were pumped in the ventilation system . Everyone went insane after just a few hours lost the ability to read and killed each other . 200 years later wastelanders would enter it and go insane putting on vault 106 suits convinced they were vault dwellers and kill each other again.
They built vaults that no one was going to use, unless they found a way to drop the bomb.
VaultTec didn’t actually drop the bomb first though, they had plans to do so. But when the peace negotiations failed due to VaultTec’s interference. China launched, and the bombs fell at 9:47 am eastern time oct, 23, 2077.
Kinda dumb though if you ask me. Vault-tec could've reaped a lot more profit by simply auction room space in the vaults. Then auction as well their plan b and c to those who can't afford the vaults.
Really, when you think about it, Vault-tec would've profited far more during peacetime, cause during wartime, there would be no one who would buy their products (except the Enclave, maybe).
They just shot themselves like what happened to Wilzig. Crippled but still alive.
@@imgvillasrc1608 Ultimately it's just terrible writing. Over the years they've centered the lore (and show) far too much around Vault Tec, who started out as a secondary player at best.
With Fallout, they have jumped around who dropped the bomb from alien mind control to the corporations viewed here. They continue to leave it ambiguous like all writings for tv or movies. It's unfortunately, how they draw people back with the cliffhangers.
@cmt6997 I'd just let this fault slide mostly because Fallout's lore has always shown to be best viewed in a satirical manner rather than serious.
I mean, how power armor is presented and the whole NCR-Legion War itself is a dead giveaway.
I think this revelation was the most fittingly fallout thing to come out of the series. It reframes the whole series because the wasteland itself, which they helped create, is itself the product. The eternal 1950’s aesthetic, the stifling of progress even after 300 years and the NCR, even the damn slogan of the series (War Never Changes) is all a Vault-Tec “product” in a way. It’s the absolute nightmare scenerio of capitalism.
I’m really anxious to see how much further it goes
200 years
I absolutely loved it. The games have never had a main storyline but the show is tying everything together nicely.
I loved how the representatives of Big MT, West Trek and Repconn were coming up with experiment ideas for some of the vaults that were implemented into vault 11, 51, 87 106 and 75.
Interestingly enough, comparing the events that transpire in the games and knowing what we know from the series it is actually quite possible that Vault Tec did initiate the apocalypse by detonating a nuclear bomb on America.
In this reunion we can see key figures of the world of Fallout, most important, Mister House, Frederick Sinclair and Leon van Felden.
First and foremost Mister House: he knew the bombs would eventually drop so he built a an advanced system that could stop however many might target his domain (New Vegas), this kind of system would’ve been incredibly expensive and being the kind of man that he was he wouldn’t have built it ‘just in case’ but because he knew (probably due to this very meeting that we now see play out).
Then we have Frederick Sinclair, Big MT associate that built a casino in the middle of nowhere, a place that while unaffected by the bombs (IE. there is no actual nuclear damage to the buildings of the villa or the casino beyond that which the radioactive storms caused, the lackluster materials from which it was built and the cloud which was corrosive too). He built it as a safe haven for the woman he loved knowing that it would survive even if he could not predict how unstable the cloud was.
Finally Leon von Felden, head chief scientist of West Tek, the creators of the power armor and most importantly the Forced Evolutionary Virus (FEV) which created the supermutants. Though he was a chief staff member of West Tek he wasn’t in the headquarters of West Tek (which was hit with so many bombs it turned into ‘The Glow’ a place where no life will ever grow both due to the FEV released into the atmosphere and the radioactive cloud from so many explosions) when the bombs dropped and instead was in secret military base (Mariposa) where, if not for being interrogated at the hands of Maxson (founder of the Brotherhood of Steel) after the soldiers there found out they were doing human testing, would’ve survived the nuclear apocalypse.
They knew what would happen with certainty and they knew how to be prepared for it. They also mention key experiments from the games, the FEV experiments in Vaults and the hallucinogens in the ventilation system…
I think they did drop the bombs.
I agree, but the thing is, she says "By dropping the bomb ourselves." Sure this could mean, using THE atomic bomb, however, I think it is more likely that the plan is: Vault-Tec drops one bomb on America. That alone is enough to start the war. Everyone is so hot-headed and afraid, one general orders a retaliatory strike without waiting for more info. The enemy then detects a wave of nukes. Thus, mutually assured destruction occurs. This way, vault-tec was responsible for THE atomic bomb that started it all.
They didnt. There are multiple reasons to suspect that they didnt.
1- those in charge of many vaults were caught unprepared and many experiments and vaults were not ready yet when the bombs dropped
2- the earliest mentions of nuclear activity occurred from American radar picking up Chinese warheads and subs enroute to the states
3- one of the creators of fallout stated the war started when the Chinese discovered the American FEV and demanded they cease those experiments. When the US refused China launched the nukes
What's funny is that prior to this TV series, I distinctly remember there being a movie scrip and within that script, it hinted that Vault Tec were the ones that dropped bombs on both China and the U.S. Both sides thought they launched their nukes at each other, and the rest is set in stone, with the nuclear exchange lasting only two hours.
Now, I can't find it.
If there’s anyone that can sell the moment your heart shatters into a million pieces it’s this man Goggins. Bra-fucking-bro!!!
He will ALWAYS be Boyd Crowder to me
I love how during their brief “brainstorm” they mentioned experiments run in actual Vaults from previous games that are canon.
- “pump the air system full of psychotropic drugs” - Vault 106
- “use FEV to make supermutant soldier” - Vault 87
- “Separate parents from children” - Vault 75
- “Overcrowd a vault” - Vault 15
It really shows the love and care that the writers have for the games.
Can’t wait for season 2!
Dont forget the vault run by a robot- vault 51
But...but.. the fnv fans hate the show
I thought Vault 15's experiment was basically having a bunch of people with opposing political and moral values all crowded together. Which explains how it eventually formed the NCR but also raider gangs like the Khans.
@@aerosdacillo1227 why?
@@elvenoormg5919because they've made the NCR lose and reset the area
The bombs were going to drop no matter what, if the Americans didn’t do it, the Chinese would, if the Chinese didn’t, vault tec would, if vault tec didn’t, the zetans would.
If the zetans couldn't ?
@@jamesmacaraegmorales2965 then i would
@@jamesmacaraegmorales2965then Vault-Tec would do it because why not
In 2076, the president or vice president of Vault tec was abducted by zetans over the construction of Vault 76. I think it prevented a lot of people from being nuked from the Appalachian nuclear silos.
Still remember the AI that confessed to starting the war because “predicting outcome was too difficult with so many variables.” This was in older game, probably brotherhood of steel.
Just want to point out that this is how House knew to a mathematical certainty that nuclear war was inevitable; this meeting right here.
Vault tec straught up tells him that theyre gonna do it. NV lore is completely intact and this isnt a retcon: this explains how he knew it was going to happen: vault tec basicallt said "if they dont, we will so it doesnt matter"
Great attention to detail here. Cant believe people are taking this stuff and making up ridiculous conclusions.
Not really arguing here, just pointing out that this meeting happened near the time the bombs dropped whereas house said he made his calculations in 2065 which would be at least a decade before this.
I still don't consider it a retcon however, as there's no reason to believe that house didn't already know the war was coming and still go to meetings like this
@mappingshaman5280 more than likely, House showing up here was to see everyone's hands and not show his own, "The House always wins" after all
House predicted the war in the 2060s. This just confirmed his ideas and probably forced him to speed up his defense systems.
@@Bothrops_Asper_89Adding to this, nowhere during the meeting did House agree with anyone else's heinous ideas. He brought questions and criticism to the table just to get confirmation of what everyone else was planning. He likely didn't agree whatsoever, so he was never given the exact time Vault-Tec would start nuking, which is how he lost the Platinum Chip in the first place.
@@mappingshaman5280and when did he start planning the platinum chip not long after this
This scene was epic. I wasn't expecting his wife to agree or bring up their plan. I want to see season 2, maybe they will explain her reason more.
Or a whole game…
I don' t think her reasons can change the fact She Is responsible too and in complicity with this tragic idea..she knew and she did not anything to prevent. She Is a Monster...
I suspected it, more so because thats what i think of billionaires like that, money sure can twist a person
"The House always wins" - he knew them well enough to know what the game was, Mr House is like Otto von Bismarck, he always has a plan and that plan has several others in the works, knowing being the supreme leader of America is a dream come true
non-fallout fan will never got the same shiver-down-the-spine feeling like we did in this scene. What a splendid job they did on this show.
Once the secretary said “vertical integration”, I knew something bad was going to happen. Thanks for that lesson, Jack Donaghy.
It's weird to me that people are acting like the idea of Vault Tec starting the great war is absurd or lore-breaking. Over the course of the series, we've seen hints that this was the case, and heck, there was even a suggestion that _ALIENS_ started it. I always stand by my personal headcannon: it doesn't matter. The whole series, the environment itself, everything -- it all works in service of the idea that *everyone* dropped the bomb. The great war exists in the lore as an inevitability: the product of war itself.
It could have been Vault Tec detonating nuclear devices WHILE China struck first WHILE aliens got the launch codes. All on the same day. But what does that change? Who cares who "started it"? The end result is the same because war...war never changes.
It has been discussed many time over the years and vault-tec was one of the big contenders.
So what you're saying is... The game was rigged from the start
This, the mystery of who dropped the bombs was always so thrilling, now that we know who actually did it makes me think that we're not sure that Vault-Tek were the one that did it because I prefer for it to be a little mystery.
Exactly. Doesnt matter who started the war, but it's important to know everyone had a hand in it. This was an easy premise to come to, enough that after the intro for the whole series' plot, you realize the only thing that mattered was the present the survivors and their descendants now had to live with.
I always thought they attacked China on purpose to get a nuclear situation happenstance.
If this scene was in theatres the whole audience would’ve been screaming
Walton Goggins acting in this scene in particular was incredible. The emotion in his eyes and whole face once he heard his wife on the agreement of the nuke was haunting….
Even though i knew EXACTLY what they were gonna say about the Nukes, this was still REALLY hard to watch. There are legitimate greedy people in the world just like this, all it takes is one horrbile decision.
the shadowy figure looking down is probably someone from the enclave?
Yeah, who is that? Someone Barb takes orders from obviously.
Or Dr Braun.
It's actually Stanislaus
It's Hank, Lucy's Dad.
@@normietwiceremoved hank is in the office with the actor
Bud's face at 3:51 he doesnt like it, but he's a company man and goes with it.
They accepted that nukes were inevitable one way or another
Barb is a member of the Enclave. That's who she received a message from and looked up at at 2:20.
Thats possible! Im game for a theory like that.
I can only agree to that theory with Barb being a member of the Enclave. The hints are just too god damn strong for this theory. Her getting the message and then looking up to the shadowy figure, her suggesting to start with the nukes themselves, i mean these are just 2 hints, but these two hints *smell* like Enclave, so i think this is a safe 100% correct guess and not just a theory.
That moment Cooper's heart broke. 😢
and the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he actually exist,
and like that........hes gone.
keyser soze
The fact that this kind of meeting is possible now more than ever makes this scene more eerie
Possible doesn't mean likely, though
This scenario is the most illogical conclusion anybody could come to 😂 you would have to be a complete nutjob to think this.
Even common sense should tell you this level of thinking is idiotic
Mr. House was badass in this, want to see A LOT MORE of him
That split second when you discover you're married to a monster.
4:40 the microexpressions... damn, i'm campaigning for Walton's Emmy from now on, he's... such an incredible actor.
Imagine hearing your wife suggesting ending the world for profit.
"what if we made a vault, and just put in one guy"
"Huh?"
"Oh he won't be alone, he has himself and his other self, and his other selves to keep him company! Were gonna clone him and only him."
"I dont know how a cloning venture would work with just one guy, but...i mean go off i guess?"
GARY!!!
Robert House has a distinct Nikola Tesla vibe to his appearance in this scene.
He basically is
Nah. Just the ‘50s white, rich man trope. That mustache was in vogue in our ‘50s.
@@samtheeaglescout1490He is also based on Howard Hughes.
Fallout universe's Tony Stark
In just a few seconds Barb went from being a pretty normal by the books wife/mother character to one of the most evil characters in the franchise's entire history
"I propose we bring that same spirit of competition to our solution" 3:28 immediately cuts to mushroom image. Great foreshadowing.
Nothing hurt him worse than when he heard his wife throw humanity under the bus over corporate greed.
Honestly, the idea of Vault-Tech starting nuclear attacks is pretty good.
Given the fact none of their vaults - aside from the ones they would inhabit - were created to save lives, it always gave me the idea that a) they took advantage of the geo-political climate for their own gain or b) didn't want to lose money on vaults that may never be used if the war ended peacefully and so they took matters into their own hands.
No one goes to that much effort of human experimentation without a guarantee there'd be humans to experiment on.
I quite like this addition to the Fallout lore.
Not even mentioning the undetonated bomb in Megaton, I distinctly remember reading that theory in-game in Fallout 3. Whether in the main game itself, or in the Mothership Zeta DLC. Its as much a possibility that VT dropped the first bomb, as China finally dropping it on the US, to the aliens obtaining the launch codes to the nukes while in space. They may reveal in S2 that VT intended to drop it but got beat to the punch. Who knows? Im excited to watch what they do though, the show knocked it out of the park so hard it made me buy New Vegas since I never played it!
‘I am Time, the Great Destroyer of all things’ - Bhagavad Gita
I'm loving the Dr Strangelove vibes here. Well done!
I know Mr House grabs all the atention here, but I love how this scene confirms that Frederick Sinclair built the Sierra Madre casino as a huge fortress and shelter for Vera Keyes, because he already knew the bombs were going to drop
Icbm makes a strong smoketrail as it enters the atmosphere at mack 10. But in the show the detonation happens at ground with no smoketrail...
Yeah i do wonder about that. Im thinking maybe when they say the bombs dropped, they actually mean the bombs DROPPED. No smoke trails. Just air dropped bombs. How they got past any surveillance or detection, dont ask me.
foot regeneration but this is your pet peeve
An ICBM enters the atmosphere, then cruises to a release point where the multiple stages begin detaching.
The final stage which is the reentry vehicle with warhead has no engine on the back to create an exhaust plume, it has an extremely high ballistic coefficient to manage it’s sonic sound signature, and you’ll hear the detonation before you hear that anyway.
@@woodrowcall3158 i saw a video here on youtube, of the russians testing their icbm. it has a distinct white stripe as it descends, from the high temperature such a direct entry into the atmosphere creates.
@@Mario-xk4hr no he is making the point that they did in fact stage those explosions from the ground, it wasnt an attack from any foreign country but a setup by vault tec to start the cataclysm that would ensure their business stays profitable and they remain the major monopoly
My mind keeps racing back to the great game that Desmond Lockhart mentions.
House: My "esteemed peers" intended to conquer the free market by lighting a match and waiting until the fire burns itself out. When the fires consume them, I intend to be the man selling water.
It’s a good time to be a Fallout fan
You could see the sweat and tears coming out of him the moment he hears her admit herself.
I hope we see more of mr. House in season 2, he wasnt in the show much but its still be sick
Cooper wife: I want a better future for my daughter
Then proceed to drop nukes while her daughter is outside not knowing if she made it
Someone watched over them during the meeting, someone who could control Vault-Tec (My guess was the Enclave)
So even if Vault-Tec really drop the bomb, it was by the order of Enclave.
Here is the power structure of the vault-tec corporation and the big FOUR
THE ENCLAVE THE INSTITUTE
VAULT-TEC CORPORATION
west-tek big Mt ROBCO
REPCONN
2:20 this is VERY apparent that somebody else wants Vault-tec to get to the point, they're dropping the bombs for some outside group... the enclave.
most likely!
@@favilla_0 as of right now I got bad news for fans.....don't panic!
THE ENCLAVE IS BACK IN THE BOSTON COMMONWEALTH
FROM FALLOUT 4!!!!
@@favilla_0 ENCLAVE CONFIRMED!
in case some of you think this is exagerated or silly, ive seen and heard fantastically rich people talk about us common people like this in real life, as a waiter in events catering to the ultrea rich. It wouldnt surprise me if one day those same people stage a war with china in a desperate bid to stave off western collapse and prevent the global south from claiming the top spot. In fact I'm certain this is exactly what's going to happen in the near future.
i'd say the elite actually want the west to collapse, first Europe then the US. All their claims and actions points to that.
Truly rich and powerful people are insanely desensitized from humanity, couldn't even begin to tell you the very small amount of shit I witnessed in LA years ago
ah yes your big waiter brain sees the apocalypse coming and the rest of us plebs have no idea 😂😂
It's adorable that you think the global south will ever claim the top spot. Your beloved social democracies are the ones most oppressive of the global south. The EU has been weakening its restrictions on countries like France, explicitly so that they can sabotage and brutalize Africa. Meanwhile, China is frothing at the mouth to burn all of Asia to the ground.
Tht still doesn't explain why they would give up their riches just to invest the rest of their lives in some weird obsessed experiment underground and why any company would go through with this when there's no profit motive.
Even a corporation wouldn't be able to amount to this because the government wouldn't be able to govern anything left.
I think this is a reference to 76 as the mission for that vault was to secure the launch facilities in Virginia
Mr House is the only one there who is not sadistic, has rational questions, and looks absolutely badass
His reaction to Barb is some of the best actor I have ever seen
"Make America great"
"You could lose money running a casino"
I see what they did there.
I always preferred the idea that they were simulating conditions and obstacles we’d face on a colony ship in space and it’s a shame they didn’t stick with that
Nope. Just greedy, evil bastards
I love Tim Cain but that's really boring. *"Earth is screwed, lets see how humans can handle space-travel (that will never happen)."* The corporate conspiracy direction here is just a lot more riveting.
Plus with the vaults in New Vegas having really F'ked-up yet very memorable social experiments, of which is written by most of the OG Fallout 1/2 guys, it makes no sense why these are even meant to show how humans would behave in an isolated ship. Select people cryogenically freezing themselves defeats that entire preface.
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 You can have the corporate conspiracy part here and still have the goal be research for a long distance spaceship.
It makes more sense to me, this entire plan here is very confusing. They're going to inherit the earth by...putting a select few in VIP vaults, than assume that nobody in the experimental vaults and on the surface will survive, than kill any that do after they're done coming out of Cryo, which they will spend hundreds of years waiting to do for no apparent reason long after the surface is inhabitable, so they can rule a wasteland of ruins with a breeding pool of people they put in Vaults with a communist system of living, so they can "win" the capitalist game and be the top of the food pile?
Why have control vaults, why give Vaults GECKs, why make Vaults even survivable at all, why wait hundreds of years to come out of Cryo, why keep a breeding pool society in the dark that can turn against you, why set up a war against the other Vaults and wastelanders, why all this to inherit an irradiated planet...
..it makes more sense to me that they plan to get on a spaceship, use the vaults experiments research data to inform how to handle the trip across generations, and they are simply apathetic about what happens to everyone who survived they left on earth
You can keep the corporate conspiracy angle, but the goal of the conspiracy makes no sense IMO. Tim's spaceship plan outline does. The experiments themselves can still be crazy, not necessarily the most logical think to test for spaceship living research.
How is it boring? Lmfao. What are you talking about? @@thepaintingbanjo8894
@@thepaintingbanjo8894 Except they mention it would take many hundreds of years to reach a space colony, and the cryogenic freezing fails after like 200ish years based on fallout 4. I'd imagine the executive vault is on its last legs, probably gonna be the plot for next season.
Already in for a rewatch, this show was fantastic and deserves someawards!
I still don't get it. Wants the point of being on top, if its at the top of a steaming pile of.....
The top is the top. That’s all that matters these short sighted fools
I swear to god that Bill Burr did a parody of this exact situation in a special.
What special?
@@ronburgundy244 Walk your way out. 20min mark
"Use the war as a business, to end war as a business"
This scene really enhances that opening of the series, Howard didn’t want to do the Thumbs Up cause it’s the symbol of the people actively starting Nuclear Armageddon and he’s the Poster Boy for them and he’s one of the only people aware of that fact. My guess is after the meeting, he took his daughter away from his wife, possibly divorcing since she’s nowhere in the first episodes intro and Howard got called a Commie leading to him doing little cowboy shows for rich children’s birthday parties
This just adds to the horror of Coop's situatuion in episode 1, seeing it all go off not only knowing that it was all pre-planned, but that his wife very likely could have pressed the button herself. Poor guy.
S1 E7 at 11:08
Moldaver: "Communist is a dirty word use to describe people who aren't insane "
You Can Pinpoint The Second When His Heart Rips In Half
this scene gave me chills, I wasn’t expecting them to outright admit they dropped the bomb
I love how Cooper is listening to them talk about the experiments all normal-like it was a regular business meeting, but he knows how insane it is and how awful all of this actually is.
I mean it is definitely possible that vault tec dropped the first bomb. I think it's in 3 or 4 but you definitely find a bomb with the vault tec logo on it in the middle of an American city. If they keeping with game lore idk they usually differ greatly. Even threw the game series lol.
3 and you're thinking of the one in The Pitt (i.e. Pittsburgh), which is a reuse of assets from the bomb we see in the middle of Megaton. While the logo on the side is *heavily similar* to Vault-Tec's, it isn't the same. The logo on the bomb has only 2 stripes, the actual Vault-Tec logo has 3, a long one and 2 shorter ones above and below. It's similar but not the same.
They didn't even need to drop it. Just hack the mainframe and create a false alarm. You know how many false alarms almost caused nuclear annihilation in real life?
@@coryfice1881 in MGS Peacewalker, the bad guy did the same thing
I still believe it was the Zetans that did it.
*insert history channel aliens guy meme here*
If they use them in the next seasons, it's going to be interesting.
How a man's heart breaks for eternity.
There was a computer entry in Fallout Tactics (in Vault 0 if i remember right) that stated that Vault Tec are the ones that started it and dropped the first bomb. We knew this back in 2001. It's just that Fallout Tactics isn't as well known as the other Fallouts, and there was the question for awhile whether Fallout Tactics was still canon.
Barb: “War never changes!”
Us: “hahaha, she said it”
4:18 So the Repconn CEO just explained Vault 75 to a T... Do we have her to thank for its conception?
Probably the writer paid to go onto the Fallout Wiki and randomly pluck a few references.
I like how at the beginning of the show you assume the Ghouls divorce was his fault. No way you could foresee it being his wife suggestion to nuke the world 😂
The set design of the room looks heavily inspired by the war room from Dr Strangelove, which, in a way, tells exactly you how this scene ends. Really clever detail.
“True is, the game was rigged from the start”-Benny