3 Quartz Watches That Will Change Your Mind | Watchfinder
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- Quartz watches nearly destroyed traditional watchmaking, and is the bastion of the cheap, plastic digital watch that took over the industry in the 1970s. But what if I told you there were quartz watches you should like? Bear with me here. Let's take a look at three watches that will make you change your mind about quartz.
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You didn’t talk about GP and quartz?
"Perhaps if a quartz movement looked as good as a Lange chronograph..."
Grand Seiko glares from the corner.
And Citizen match the point.
I respect both mechanical and quartz for what they are and what they do. As a professional who requires absolute accuracy, a quartz movement is essential. As a collector, I love the intricacy and craftsmanship of a mechanical. Hence, I love both types.
Hear, hear!
We buy quartz with our head,
We buy mechanical with our hearts.
@@deanwaller8283 Exactly.
Beautifully said
@@deanwaller8283 Why not both? I bought my Bulova Accuquartz with both my heart and my head, recognizing its classic appeal as well as clever engineering. Same reason why my mechanical ZIM 2602 dress watch sits proudly on my wrist.
By far the most interesting quartz technology has Seiko with their spring drive mechanism.
I can't understand why they did not include a GS quartz. Re: Spring Drive, its mechanical just as it is quartz hence them not including it perhaps.
ChawenHalo 008 I would say it’s more the Swiss snobbery of this channel
Bulova 262 kHz
@@DocWat280 Thank you.....
Or the Bulova precisonist
I wish more quartz watches had open casebacks to view the circuit, battery, etc. I find them cool to look at as well.
Fund yourself a vintage Bulova "tuning fork" watch with a see-through dial... you'll love it!
@@voiceofexperience Space View
I wish my Bulova Precisionist had an exhibition back, that would be cool.
Comparing mechanical watches to quartz is like comparing steam locomotives to diesel or electric. Sure, there's more romance in steam, but the new technology is waaaay more performant, reliable and efficient. Also, we taught a rock to keep time. How cool is that?
"We taught a rock to keep time."
That's a beautifully poetic way to describe quartz, although I'd prefer to describe it as a rock that already knew how to keep time, but man simply discovered its ability; something formed in the cosmos juxtaposed with a human construct.
Michael then what about solars? Mechanical would also need maintenance so in a way it's the same on waiting to break.
Michael
In years past I really wanted to believe that mechanicals were better. I really did!
I now have a good friend who is a watchmaker/repair/service man and a flight instructor. He says that even a Rolex needs to be gone over about every 15 years. Don’t know what your experience is, but The aforementioned gentleman has worked on a few thousand time pieces. I do enjoy a good mechanical piece but cannot stack it up against quartz accuracy with occasional battery changes.
Having said that, I’m curious to know what you wear because I am a watch nerd! Thanks for your time.
@@Peter-ff1tp lol. Mechanical watch and reliability does not go hand in hand as far as quartz is in the equation. Go fire a hand canon wearing a mechanical and see the result. Lol.
@@Peter-ff1tp Quartz is more reliable. It is simply technically superior in every practical sense.
A 2 week low power warning or solar quartz with 20+ year battery life takes care of the battery problem.
Come on! The Grand Seiko is clearly the best quartz watch in the world, with an astonishing attention to detail in every way... How could you let it out of your list.
because it's not swiss made - by seiko fans
The title is 3 watches you should like, not the best top 3 quartz watches. They are quite fair with Seiko anyway.
Show me another watch better than this emergency... please I’m patiently waiting 😈 .. actually I would like it in my collection smh
alvarofue grand seiko's pretty impressive and is the best value for money quartz watch, the best is by patek phillipe. heck, even other japanese brands can kick grand seiko's butt.
The emergency is proof that watches are critical tools
That oysterquartz is nice but Seiko is the king of quartz. People care when you mention Rolex but Seiko gets left in the dust as usual lol.
when I think of quartz I think of Casio, at least in terms of ubiquity.
Grandseiko seiko 9f is king of all quartz!
True, if im ever buying a Rolex for whatever reason, im sure as hell not buying a quartz movement
only quartz I'd buy is a seiko spring drive
The King of Quartz these days is actually Citizen. They have been for quite some time with their Chronomaster lineup, and now with the amazing cal.0100.
The 9F is great, but with the competitors (Citizen and Longines) updating, so should Seiko at some point.
You guys scream quality with your videos.
Thanks very much!
@No.73 aus dem Keller it is the same guy who makes the vids but watchfinder&co is a company where you can buy used or new watches
QUAALIIITYYYY!!!!!!!
Definitely should include a The Citizen HAQ with either an A060 with 5 seconds a year accuracy, or the 0100 movement with an incredible 1 second per year accuracy. I find these movements, being a self contained and powered quartz, to be amazing. Incredible technology wrapped in beautifully made and finished watches.
I'm surprised Bulova's Precisionist isn't included.
The only quartz watch I own: The Bulova 262kHz "Moon Watch".
Horologically interesting & special.
Thank you to everyone here who included an wasnt afraid to speak about bulova... I wear mine with honor... An a smile...
I have several Quartz watches which I love! Mechanical is fun and all, but when I need real practicality, I go for one of my quartzes. I know they're always on time, they won't die after 40 hours of non-wear, they're inexpensive, and overall just good stuff.
Seiko 5 also stops working at times and starts again.
Agreed
Wow! that movement inside the oyster quartz looks stunning, I would expect nothing less from Rolex, decoration and all
Hope I can get my hands on one of those one day
GRANDSEIKO 9F is the KING of all QUARTZ MOVEMENTS !
How about Grand Seiko 9F Quartz watch ?
jimmy Liu or the citizen caliber no. A010 +/-5 sec a year, perpetual calendar AND eco-drive solar
Grand Seiko isn't Swiss, so obviously it doesn't count as a legitimate quartz. 🙁
Uh, the Japanese invented quartz.
seiko practically invented quartz LOL.
LMAO dude the japanese invented quartz (SEİKO) !!!
I don’t mind quartz watches at all if they have a battery hatch where we can easily swap or remove the batteries instead of having to take the whole back case off potentially scratching it, getting dust in or damaging that stupid gasket. Like Swatch for example which has the battery outside
I noticed the second hand on the speedmaster does not hit the indices. My 50 dollar Casio mdv-106 Duro hits them perfectly.
Chad Santy Sad Fuck!!!!!!!
With lower priced watches, the seconds hitting the index perfectly is a hit and miss, but I agree with you that Higher priced watches should pay more attention to detail and there is no excuse for misaligned seconds hand.
The Swiss don't seem to do a real effort with quartz*. I've seen several Omegas with missaligned second hands, while most run of the mill Seikos are decently aligned. Same goes for the accuracy.
Grand Seiko and the higher end Citizens (The Chronomaster lineup) are where it's at with high-end quartz.
*Maybe the Longines V.H.P is an exception
the rolex was not hitting indices either between 2 and 6...wtf. As you said I owned £100 Casio Edifice which was perfect in this.
You would never see that on a Japanese watch.
Don't forget Bulova's line of 262 khz quartz watches. They're very accurate and have sweep second hands that are smoother than many automatics and mechanical watches.
How about Longines V.H.P
+/- 5sec a year.
Or the Citizen AQ6010-06A (white gold)/AQ6021-51E (Super Titanium™ with black dial)/AQ6020-53X (Super Titanium™ with mother-of-pearl dial) which run at 8.4 MHz (256 times the standard 32768 Hz frequency) allowing for an accuracy of ±1 second per year. Sadly, these limited edition Eco-Drive watches cost $16,800 or $7,400, based on case material. (Looking forward when the Citizen 'Caliber 0100' is used in more affordable watches.)
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Rather amazing that the Omega Megaquartz 2.4 MHz watches (from the mid-1970s) had accuracy of ±1 second per month. Yet, the Citizen '4.1 MHz Crystron Megaquartz' (from 1975) claimed ±3 second per year accuracy (but only had 6 month battery life).
A lot of the electrics that predate quartz are extremely interesting, I have a modest collection of timex electrics one being the exact model worn by Dexter on his eponymous series my favorites are the Dynabeat models that are every bit a smooth sweeping as the majority of mechanicals today. Hamilton also has quite a few electrics which I plan to start collecting, it’s amazing when you are holding one and think about how far that technology predates quartz. Seiko’s “twin quartz” movements are quite interesting as well, and I can’t believe you didn’t mention spring drive.
where is citizen, casio, seiko and timex???? if you talk about quartz you should include those brands
I agree and I am wearing a Timex, he is focus on the Swiss watches.
Casio is the king of quartz
Correct guys I have a Casio Duro Marlin Blue Dial right now and I'm a automatic guy but quartz is growing on me just put it no worry and go
$500 for Rolex to change your battery and gaskets. Now there's value....
Oh it's a special battery that is so very different from the normal 1.5v, not. Because they can but shouldn't. Agree, ridiculous cost 👍
@MotoPaisano all quartz watches use 1.5v silver oxide as the norm. There are a few exceptions from earlier days and some modern era watches use lithium. However, if you put a meter across a new silver oxide 1.5v watch battery of which there are many variations in shape and size you will usually get a reading of 1.55 to 1.6v. The cost involved is not that great for the physical battery. There are many high street retailers who will look at the make of watch and put a premium on the cost. As an experiment I went into one retailer and asked how much to change my battery in my Omega seamaster quartz, £95. I have since been told this retailer now uses the 10% rule. So if your quartz watch is £1800 then expect £180 for a battery change. I am also aware they buy batteries in such bulk that they are making ridiculous profit on battery replacement.
@MotoPaisano well done. You can see with the right tools changing a battery does not warrant the ridiculous cost charged by some. Mechanical watches are different, fully stripping and cleaning then assembly requires time and skill. Also you have to build in protection cost in the service fee. If something breaks in your hands during a service a big bill for a Swiss part is guaranteed.
@@a0r0a7 just go to a watchmaker. $20. Or do it yourself. If you can't change a friggin battery you should be wearing ladies watches.
@@finished6267 I am in the trade 'finished'. I want to highlight how some dubious retailers simply bump the price up because you have a Swiss quartz. No ladies watches for me!!!!!!!
The most important and highest quality quartz is the Grand Seiko not swiss watches.
The Cartier Tank is a great quartz watch, no second hand makes it quite desirable
I have no problem with quartz. I just want them to line up with the markers!
There are people who doesn't care about
Traditional
Exceptional
Nostalgic
They just want the damn thing to tell time, which mechanical watches can't even do perfectly
I like both! Although I don't like the pricetag of mechanical :P
talking quartz without mentioning GS, Citizen or Bulova... shame shame Watchfinder
Love my bulova"s precionist.... Wear it the most out of my small collection..
Can you help me?
My grandmother have ,for a long time, quite heavy for its size a leadies wrist quartz waterproof watch that is of gold and silver colors, it never stoped working and material never changed its color. It is written on the watch "westair japan" and i cant find anything about that company? Is it like dolar store but it just happens that the watch is working? Is it some big company that closed? I cant find anything on google and she cant remember how she got the watch.
For me the one quartz now is Bulova Moonwatch.
Vincent Van Gogh moonwatch is good but what abt the other bulova's precisionist with big seconds hand
yeah the second hand doesnt sweep unlike the other quartz. but the moon watch looks cool
I go to expensive watch shop with my bulova just to mess with them cause they can't understand quartz!! and smoother seconds hand!?! (error error malfunction) how is that possible?!?
Bulova Precisionist caliber P102 movement. Love it.
I think the Mondaine Quartz watches modelled on the Swiss railways platform clocks are beautiful.
1- Casio F91W(and metal bracelet variants)
2- Grand Seiko Spring Drive Omiwatari
3- Casioak Solar GA-B2100
Great videos overall ! keep going!!
The breitling emergency astonishes me every time I think about it. Incredible piece of technology
everyone gangsters until the computer was invented LOL, how can we watch this video ? computers...
Breitling Emergency is so awesome, especially when kitted out with the small Breitling UTC clock.
The Oysterquartz is a special movement. I want a Daydate one. That Swiss lever escapement gives it a very very distinct feel and sound.
why is the second hand on omega watch did not match the second on the digital display? i screamed silently...
what the f??!!!! niceeeee!!! I would love to see you guys dismantled that rolex movement and explaining things regarding how on earth there's pallet fork and escape wheel on quartz???!?!
Jeviar Firsta it's a hybrid of sorts, the escapement is timed by quartz.
there is just something really pleasant about the smooth sweeping motion of a mechanical movement. some of the quartz grand seiko's are stunning i have to admit.
I know someone who tried the Breiting Emergency (tested the function), he did this whilst out drinking.
Was a very expensive experience.
Also know a guy who owns one.
I think I would like to get the Rolex Oysterquartz, can find them second hand for a rather comfortable price.
Talking about "space", would love to see a watch being assembled in space. Imagine that..
Nice informative videos, especially on the industry history. Surprised you did not include a Grand Seiko there!?
You should really do another one of these, personally I would add the Breitling Aerospace Repetition Minute
That Rolex looks absolutely killer
I really like Citizen Atomic Time Eco drive as an option. If you live in the US, your watch will always be on time, and they are maybe even better than a perpetual as long as they can access the clock signal. I did have a problem with the band on mine, but found a watch repair place that was able to fix it, and now it's solid. Love the design of mine ( mine is a rose gold band with a brown face.) That being said, a Breitling rescue watch seems cool.
My Citizen completely died after 4 years.
I’ve had my H145-movement Citizen since 2012. Reception of WWVB in south Florida is a bit spotty but usually it will synchronize. Usually within a second of official time.
I have a Bulova Wilton Precisionist with a stainless steel case, white dial and rose gold hands. Beautiful quartz watch with a sweeping second hand. Looks much more expensive than it was.
Hell yeah Bulova Precisionist Rose Gold here as well
Woaaaaahhhhh didn't know that there is a watch that sends signal for 400km! Sounds like a classic James Bond movie
I applaud your review of some high end quartz watches here. I am really happy to see proper quartz watches receiving due attention on this very good CZcams channel. I own a Rolex Oysterquartz as well as the Omega X1 (gen2) and have enjoyed wearing them very much. Although the Breitling Emergency has never appealed to me, I do own the legendary Breitling B-1 superquartz. These are great watches with really very accurate movements, the B-1 boasting the most accurate caliber (A78362) which loses about 12 seconds a year. But I was a bit disappointing that you didn't mention any of the (much better) high end Japanese quartz watches. But here I suspect there is very strong bias towards the Swiss brands in this channel, consigning Japanese watches to the cheap and cheerful bin. So here I shall break a lance for them, for I am convinced that none of these quartz watches mentioned in this video can hold a candle to the Citizen The Citizen Chronomaster CTQ57-0961. Even though the fit and finish of this watch is on par with any Swiss counterpart, and it may not have the bells and whistles of the Breitling and Omega (and let me state that bells and whistles a quartz watch does not define), it is the caliber that makes this watch truly amazing. Although Citizen guarantees 5 seconds of loss a year, I discovered after wearing one for a year and a half without interruption, that it lost only 2,5 seconds. And all this is accompanied by stellar build quality, durability and service (10 years of free service including battery replacements). This is one of my favorite watches to date, wearing very comfortably and literally never missing a beat. Although Grand Seiko quartz watches are also a very, very good HEQ (and perhaps even nicer to look at), it just isn't as good as this wonderful Citizen.... But more about Grand Seiko in another comment.
What movement was that in the beginning?
Good video but the content gives the impression that you wouldn't have made this video if Rolex or Omega or Breitling or another swiss brand didnt have quartz in their inventory.
Hariharan T V ... yep, at a minimum there should have been at least a verbal “tip of the hat” to the Seiko and Citizen. I really believe there is a bias that if it’s Asian, it must be of poor quality.
Great video! Although I do agree in principle I'd still prefer anyway the electronic watch that used the timing fork. The sound, the accuracy, and longevity! And that sweeping seconds hand!
Bulova Precisionist Champlain reportedly uses a tuning fork with accuracy of -/+ 10 seconds per year so I agree with you. Major Jim, USMC
I own a 2011 Omega seamaster 300 Quartz, it’s an absolutely awesome version of the watch, not only is it one of the best looking Seamaster, you can leave it for 4 years and it barely loses any time whatsoever
I love mechanical watches and own them too, but they all have their place
Bulova accutron and the Seiko spring drive are the only quartz watches I would consider
The Accutron doesn't have a quartz crystal though. You need the later Accuquartz for that. I would also recommend looking at the Chaika 3050 as the Soviet Union's first quartz watch. It was an engineering marvel in its day.
Wait what....no grand Seiko.....your kidding right
So many japanese quartz better than the examples...
Such as?
@@saltysoysauce954 Grand Seiko 9F, the Citizen Chronomaster or cal. 0100, for example.
Maybe a quartz watch with no second hand. Haha
Please do one on the Grand Seiko 9F. That’s the best example of a quartz watch.
The Rolex movement was beautiful
Mechanical is about people's emotions, and these emotions have largely been shaped by marketing.
Quartz is simply better all around, and it can be beautiful, too. Movements like the Seiko 9F, the Citizen 0100, and even vintage movements like the Omega 1332 are beautiful bits of finely finished technology that just make me feel so good.
I have mechanical watches in my collection, too, but to me, quartz has always been cooler. Especially when you start to include complications like thermo compensation. It's like comparing a horse and cart to a cutting-edge, self driven automobile.
There's no comparison for me, quartz over mechanical.
I purchased a Breitling Chrono Avenger Mach 1 ...in 2004...Croc/Deployment Strap...Solid Titanium...Magnetic Pushers ( Can be-used underwater...Resistant to 1500 Meters...)....Super Quartz Movement....accurate better than 2sec/Month...Yes..!
I've owned a number of Breitling quartz watches (several Aerospace models, B1, B50), and an X33. I can't remember the last time I saw one "in the wild," which is one of the reasons I like them so much.
didn't imagine Rolex made a quartz watch, cool to know! Thanks
I absolutely love your video production skills,the effort is so apparent, and much appreciated. My everyday watch is a plain and simple Casio edifice. Solar powered and atomic clock synced. It is faultlessly reliable,shrugs off abuse and has never ever let me down. It has a level of performance that is outstanding for its price bracket. It would still be an amazing watch a ten times the price!
Andrew Wilson but will it survive a nuke going off like an automatic. :-)
Automatics are the watches you want if you want to tell the time after a nuke.
What's better than bread? Toast! But there is nothing better than a hand made bread, unless it's toasted. That's how I feel about mechanical, quarts and mecha quarts. You have to admire quarts in some respects it is a go-to for the masses.
LMAO that brightling watch. I could imagine walking down the street, people try to mug you and you pull the distress signal. Helicopters and swat teams pull up out of no where.
I am enjoying watchfinder videos - they are great. In this case I am truely missing the GS 9F calibre. It is THE quarzt movement. Lever-mechanism driven second hand for ultimate matching of the second marks. Finally a jumping second for ocd fellas. And theres the manufacture recommended service period of 50 (fifty) years for the movement as a result of the movement beeing sealed from the battery cage. 10 seconds a year rated. Translated from japanese this means a true life performance of 2-3 secs a year. All inhouse - even the quartz crystals. Wrapped in an astonishingly Zaratsu finished case it is a true pleasure to wear.
Only let down by a below par battery life,it should be a 5 year battery minimum
It’s easy to choose for the top brands like Rolex, but I would have included the Bulova Accutron Spaceview. It’s also an amazing watch!
I love thermo-compensated pure (with removable battery, not solar) quartz wathes (HAQ = high accuracy quartz).
Mechanical movement are so cool just something about it
I m new into watches, purchasing my first '' real watch '', my choice is done. A quartz grand seiko, and the fact that all my friends already into watches with longines, omega etc want me to buy a mechanical just comfort my thoughts
Honourable mention - SEIKO 7A28
Bollocks, those are exactly the kind of quartz everyone should hate. Pretentious Swiss junk for unimaginative rich kids without an aesthetic fold in their brain.
Seiko, Citizen, and Casio are the only companies who produce quartz watches worth buying. Their high-end watches blow these completely out of the water, and they even make watches for $50 which are more advanced.
Giant Squid One man's quartz crisis is another man's quartz revolution.
Philly Cheese Take don't forget Bulova
At least these are interesting. The Breitling in particular is at least useful in its function.
Bulova's Precisionist movement is the most advanced, most accurate and most cost effective quartz movement to date. Never gets a mention in the watch snob world. Personally, I think 98% of their designs are awful but that has nothing to do with the movement being ignored. If they really wanted to make some money they would license and sell these movements to other watch companies. Hopefully that is in the cards for the future. And if they don't go that route I hope they hire some decent watch designers.
Yes. Exactly.
I didn't know about that emergency beacon. I've been looking for a watch for my longer hikes and that seems like it would be very handy, even though I already have a satellite phone. It's always good to have a backup
Aw damn, I ended up with a grand seiko quartz.
1989 I chose Quartz over Mechanical in an Omega Seamaster. It had the thermocompensated movement (1441) but it was switched out surreptitiously at the Lancaster, PA Omega tech shop for the single coil . . . which I discovered much later during a battery change. I chose Quartz because I am tough on watches and broke a mechanical once. The basic cal. 1438 gains about 1 sec/week . . . not bad. So, I am about 30 seconds off every Daylight Savings change. I keep spare gaskets which lowers the battery change from $150 to $35!
This Seiko 8F56-0040 ( Titanium Perpetual GMT ) is one of the world's best quartz watch. Or rather one of the most accurate out there. The steel one is damn affordable even.
That breitling is seriously cool
Quartz is the way to go
Mechanical looks cool too!
I Love this Channel !
I was wondering, are there any Classic Hybrid Watches we should like ?
Thanks again for another fascinating Video !
The Oysterquartz is being very popular
I love mechanical watches, but I also own a G shock. It cost me $38, can survive a fall out of a building, has been run over by a 25 ton semi truck, can be frozen solid, then boiled for ten minutes and doesn’t skip a beat, the battery last ten years and cost less than $2 per battery and can be changed in one minute by owner. It loses about 2 seconds per month and can be easily regulated by owner. It has a perpetual calendar, a chronograph, an alarm, a count down timer, oh and has 200 meters water resistance. It is clearly the best tool watch ever created by the hands of man, it is the AK47 of watches. I can lose it, I can get mugged, my ex could steal it off my dresser and I wouldn’t suffer one moment of regret. No one will judge me a ridiculous ponce for wearing it. In short, it is the best tool watch in the world. It does not fill my head with nouveau riche hubris and vulgar narcissism. Winner winner chicken dinner. I do like a JLC though…
I have a 1985 oysterquartz, wear it daily. It’s an indestructible beast of a watch.
The Breitling emergency is my most desirable watch
i wish somebody would make a nice digital pocket watch with high-spec components. the mirror-like, reflective "memory LCDs" look amazing.
Video lenght 7.28 and he didn't even mention seiko 7a28 series..opportunity missed
As someone who fiddles with the crowns of my watches anyway, the Breitling would be terrifying to have on my wrist
Would love to hear a video on the tourbillon complication? Love your channel!
Why isn't the Seiko 35 SQ on this list?
I'm not really a fan of quartz but my eco drive is amazing and that breitling is something out of a bond movie. I love it. And let's be real... Those led watches from the 70's are iconic and should definitely be in every watch collection.
People only hate quartz because someone told them too.
Add the Seiko Marinemaster Tunas as well. Excellent quartz pieces.
After watching this channel I understood why we all should appreciate Seiko.
I appreciate the Heritage of mechanical watches, but I think it's pretty clear that quartz is king.
Atomic is king
I did not even know there was a quartz movement rolex😲
What about radio controlled quartz watches like Junghans? I'd say there isn't any watch as accurate as those radio controlled watches! 😍
I feel the accuracy debate is kind of a mute point because if most of us want to know the time down to the microsecond then we use our phones but for a quick glance to tell the general time and don’t care if it’s a few seconds off there’s absolutely no realistic difference between mechanical, quartz, or digital
Which one is the last watch in this video
I dismantled a cheapo £3 quartz someone gave me salvaging the quite nice case and strap, the movement inside was tiny, half the size of a Miyota 2115 and it has a date wheel too that hangs over like a big numbered saucer, heck the battery took up a fair bit of the size and apparently up til it died, kept very good time.
Good choice with the Aerospace. Add a G-Shock and you're golden.
Thank goodness we have quartz watches and the fact they are manufactured in large quantities this made it possible for everyone to buy a watch that is accurate and reliable and cheap because if only mechanical movements were the only movement the way prices are for Swiss watches they would be unaffordable even for the non luxury brands and accuracy would be subpar like it was in the 50s and 60s
or.... we can just use our phone to tell time, which is just as accurate.
I should probably smash my computer to pieces because it's full of those soulless, cold, industrial, cheap transistors that have destroyed the traditional, exceptional, nostalgic vacuum tubes.