Star Trek: TNG Review - 2x18 Up the Long Ladder | Reverse Angle
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- Even in the 24th century, we apparently can't escape negative stereotypes of both the Irish and clones.
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2:41 Just watch this episode yesterday and something that bugged me about it was the fact that the straw beamed up along with everything else. When was the last time you saw a group of people beam onto the enterprise and the dirt/excess terrain came with them?!
That and the chickens 😆
The transporter is aware of all matter in the beam and can reject material the cheif scans out. So they seriously did it for plot or stupidity
@@donovanulrich348 maybe it was transported up because it was labeled under "luggage" on the teleporter panel. 🤷🏽♂️
"Kahless' sh*t burned for a thousand years....." LOL!
"Killing your own clone is still murder" odo
If only Thomas Riker had known what Will was capable of.
id argue it could be a form of assisted suicide
especially if the clone was in on the conspiracy/plan
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This episode was banned in Ireland
Because it mentioned Irish Reunification. A touchy subject in the late 80’s
And both of you should know Riker Would definitely go for a Total B... its like he’s looking in a mirror!
I’m surprised Riker didn’t offer to spread his genetic samples to every clone that took his fancy... And its ultimately the resolution to the issue in the episode.
this one is Definitely covered in Gene’s grubby hippy sex oil coated fingerprints.
No kidding. Why didn't they just send Starfleet's horniest to introduce some fresh DNA? They say that the thought of physical sex is repugnant to them...but they all say that at first. A little wine, some soft music, and they'll be opening their spaceports for docking procedures in no time.
Actually, that was ‘The High Ground’ (S3 E12). Though this episode is incredibly offensive for other reasons it wasn’t banned.
These guys are cold. Making fun of Worf's condition as diarrhea.
That was because Brenna was hott.
That was not this episode. This was just the one that insulted Irish people.
Poor Picard, being trapped in that Turbolift with Worfs klingon farts
There were a lot of lost colony episodes in the first three seasons. I think the writers liked playing around with alternative human societies growing up in isolation. Plus no need for fancy alien makeup and elaborate sets.
There were a lot of those in TOS too.
Geordi and Troi would be the "Half-Truth Squad"
The little squeak fart after Pulaski says "fasting ritual" killed me
So Geordi can tell when people are lying? That really would have helped out in Samaritan Snare, wouldn't it?
Between his visor and Troi outright telling everyone that the Pakleds were lying, I think it's clear that Geordi just wanted a break from the Enterprise and allowed himself to be captured.
I'm really looking forward to your review of that episode where Dr. Crusher bangs a ghost from a candle who previously banged her Nana:)) Too bad it will take quite a while before we get to season 7, can't wait!
Great video. The Klingon my Heart and Truth Squad graphics both got me laughing.
Dr. Polaski said that the colony on Mariposa had cities. That means their population was at least in the tens of thousands, while the Bringloid colony only had a few hundred people. Seeing how it is common for advanced societies to exploit less advanced ones, after the Enterprise leaves, the Mariposans simply clone the Bringloidians and raise them up in their society and culture. They could keep the original Bringloids around in a primitive state to be used as breeding stock to give them fresh genetic material for future cloning.
it was implied they would have to give up cloning in order to prevent any more genetic mutation/deformation
even just adding 1 generation of fresh samples wouldnt fix years of degradation.
they would have to give up cloning, and learn to re intergrade into a "normal" family structure.
Riker and Polaski call out the leader for taking their DNA without permission, saying more samples wasent the cure. it would only delay the problem 1-3 generations. and then new and worse mutations would show up
The Worf fart sounds😂
Brenna is fucking beautiful!
Apparently her agrarian culture produced great eyeliner.
@Gomez - I agree!
This episode actually gets better with age.
3:16 actually it's a real accent. Different parts of Ireland have different accents.
I worked with a guy named duffy who was pretty much this guy. Also worked with a guy from newfoundland who had a similar accent.
4:08 if you watch it again the actors give very good body language ques that augment their dialogue and make it all come together.
4:21 that's a blooper take that was kept in
The rest of the episode is as you guys described but I found the main message they were trying to tell is that these stereotypical backwards Irish people have seemingly little too offer compared to the more advanced clone people. But it turns out that going for a more advanced society makes you lose a fundamental part of being human - reproduction and family. And in the end it is the more advanced people that have to learn from the backwards people.
Riker and the daughter hooking up shows that's how reproduction is done with normal humans. In contrast, when Riker goes to the clone planet, they shoot him and steal his DNA.
...the more I think about it, the more I realize this episode is subtlety actually really good, but it's not very apparent to the viewer.
I just noticed it has even more subtle political undertones.
When Riker and Polaski get their genes stolen and it results in off spring, they chose to end the unborn offsprings life while it's in the gestation tube. They have the right to their DNA and bodies. ...maybe it's not very subtle because he openly states it.
Yes the black leather jacket guy on the try channel has an Irish accent like this as do a couple others. The try channel is where a bunch of Irish people would try various products, often alcohol.
Black leather jacket guy had a bunch of funny mannerism such as when he had a particularly strong drink oh, he would say "oh she's in there."
I have never heard these counter-points before, and I really appreciate reading them.
None of these accents are Irish. This accent was created by American filmmakers who made movies about Ireland but never actually went there.
In the 4th episode of Deep Space Nine Odo arrests a man for killing a clone, saying, "Killing your own clone is still murder!" So yeah, Riker literally murdered his own clone.
the realistic explanation is that sometime between now & then, the federation's laws regarding clones have changed. Here, they seem to consider the clones an extension of themselves, but Its hard to believe there would be no reservations about destroying the clones. Nobody's sincerely going to argue abortion rights if the lifeform in question after the point the lifeform can exist independently from its host. I honestly believe up the long ladder is the absolute worst episode of Star Trek as a franchise.
@@BarbaraYaga Abortion is not a right, it is murder.
Riker murdered two people here.
@@voluntarism335A lot of people like to believe that the Federation is super comfortable with abortion and they probably are but it's rather two-faced of them given that they're willing to risk everything to save something as mundane as a potential lifeform or a nebula they believe is alive.
Supposedly these colonists were advanced people who had decided to live a more simple life. So what if these colonists only knew about Irish accents based on Old American movies and therefore their characterization is based on what had been put to film?
I can definitely tell the "clones are not real people" attitude that make me not like this episode.
oh snap! is that eddie murphy in this episode as a clone??
The only good thing about this episode is that is spawned this review. Brilliant.
I just can't. I had tears running down my cheeks within the first four minutes. Usually I think you guys are too tough on most episodes and never seem to like anything, but yeah, the Enterprise crew's willful dismantling of two cultures with a bonus forced breeding program thrown in? Deserves the flaying. And even though I usually am not moved by poop humor in general, the absolute litany of layered squeaky mouse farts woven in to all the clips just cracked me up. 😂
They are indeed Fartists.😂
Word's indigestion is outrage, Okana!
I stumbled upon your channel a couple of days ago and have been on a deep binge since then.
Awesome work, guys. I laugh during every one of them! 👍
I guess they decided to clone Pulaski and Riker but not Geordi because he's blind ?
The random farting noises really just sum up the whole episode.
Star Trek and Star Trek The Next Generation are not sci-fi about space; they are philosophy/commentary about existence, and humanity. Each character is actually an approach to humanity and the episodes are exploring which approach if any is the most correct, useful, or not so great for a given situation or possibility.
Okay, come on, guys.
Klingon diarrhea is no laughing matter. Think about it. Everything on the Klingon home world exists to test the upper most reaches of the warriors physical and mental limits.
Think Taco Bell night but literally multiplied by a thousand.
I think it's safe to say none of us would wish that on our most hated enemies.
there was some hidden racism in this episode . there seemed to be a cast system on the planet of clones . the white man clones seemed to be the leaders while the black clones were only the guards and manual laborers . also they didn't even try to take a DNA sample from Geordi . but presumably it's because he's genetically blind , not because he's black.
Good point about Geordi being blind. Didn't think about that.
Or maybe you're just tilting at windmills.
Worf :” then you would be standing in the fire @
I think you all were a bit harsh on the this episode. Not a ground breaking or super-well written episode, but it was a C-, solidly. Oh well.
We Americans can't tell the difference between ourselves and the Irish, that's why when you have an Irish representation on TV it has to be over the top with the accident and the other Irish stereotypes.
This episode was totally worth it for the hot Irish woman.
I don’t care what others say, I couldn’t not love any character played by Diana Muldaur.
I don't know if anyone in the comments here has already made this point. I'm Irish. I believe the writers were modelling the Mariposian society on the Northern Ireland Protestant community (i.e. birth control = reduction in genetic variation due to lower birth rates). It's far too obvious what the 'inspiration' for the Oirish characters was. So, it's an extremely stupid allegory about the two Northern Ireland communities needing to co-exist and cooperate.
Up the wrong bladder.
This episode was trying to grapple with the realities of cloning, but it comes across like the Enterprise just trying to dump two problems they came across on each other.
Yeah, this episode makes me cringe. I like the idea of another comment that Geordi’s blindness is genetic and therefore any clones would be as well and the colony is not capable of replicating the visor technology.
Yeah, makes sense.
Bruh 'you kinglon my heart' ahahahahahahah fucking dead
Worf's gas and You Klingon My Heart. Pure unfiltered comedy genius. Love you guys!
Always one of my favorite episodes, I give it an A+
8:43 that wouldn't work. It only worked for Pulaski because they had a copy of her DNA in the buffer, or whatever.
Great revies of TNG, thank you!
Also:
Best. Fart. Jokes. Ever. Complete with the tea ceremony quip. 😁 Best text overlay too. Nice find with Galaga as a sound effect, though TNG put time in obfuscating it compared to Knight Rider using Centipede spider effects without any alteration.
I love how much you hate this
Been waiting for this one, and y'all did not disappoint.
I thought the Irish person was going to be given fart noises after he drank the Klingon alcohol
05:04 to 05:17
I was about to type that it was like a
STAR TREK : TOS episode
Maybe they didn't want to steal a blood sample from Geordie because they figured his visor might be constantly recording stuff. Like a face-mounted dash camera
Since they are basically practicing a form of eugenics they probably just feared that his disability was genetic.
(or maybe they're just racists and don't want Black clones)
thats original TOS Music
The shot of Brenna when she showed her stomach and hips was sexy as hell. There have been several instances throughout Star Trek of woman with bare midriff and hips displayed. Uhura, Tasha Yar, Hoshi Sato, Carol Markus (Kelvin timeline, played by Alice Eve) and a few other guest stars like Brenna here.
Don't forget the Orion slave women. Roddenberry had a thing for torsos.
On my first watch through and this is just one of those episodes where half-way through I knew the consensus on this would be poor. The opposite feeling I had when watching Measure of a Man.
Flawed analysis of the plot holes as usual… But the sound effects every time Worf was on screen had me dying. Well done
Kahless' shit burned for a thousand years. 🤣
I LOVE THE WORF FARTS! The teenager in me is crying with laughter.
Basically US foreign policy in a nutshell
They probably didn't want Geordi's DNA because he was blind. Well, that sure came back to bite them.
As you pointed out, they would have covered their tracks completely if they'd just knocked him out & put him with the others.
As for.. both killing the clones and dictating the arrangements, etc. Prime directive doesn't apply apparently because they are humans colonies.
With any other culture, -very- strict guidelines, but other humans? The Federation can evict, control or destroy or breed them at whatever whim or discretion.
We see this is prior and in future episodes in which humans are involved; but it does seem odd, their reaction to cloning, when in S2-E7 they have no qualms about meddling with DNA.
There's so much potential dark contrasts here. Eugenics, gain of function, building a 'master race'.. have humans learned nothing over the centuries? But cloning is a bridge too far, ehh?
Up the long ladder or …….
That Monty pythons flying circus episode ……….
Picard: some you just have to bow to the absurd……
3.22 se parese a ataru moroboshi.
03:56 it stank like hell in that turbolift.
Because he was blind
great Worf farts!
I actually liked that episode
I found this one more entertaining than the previous one, I probably would've given this one a D, (Samaritan Snare gets a fucking F, I hate that one so much)
Awesome sound effects by the way! Loved that more than this episode. I can't give this an F, because Polaski's screen time is far more limited, so this made the episode more tolerable. D.
Dr. Pulaski is so hot.
This was probably my least enjoyed episode. You guys nailed a lot of what went wrong.
The "Irish" accents used in this episode was created by americans making movies decades ago about Ireland, by people that had never been to Ireland. I hate this episode so much, steryotypes created from a ditance, perpatuated for decades.
This has to be probably the worst episode of the entire franchise. Roddenberry was a clueless idiot who had one good idea in his entire life and parlayed it into a big bank balance.
This episode was an easy A for me
The farts right!
I'm a man of few words: Weak episode. Good review.
Oh god, Star Trek randomly does racist, again.
F!!!!
I notice the trend that you guys never like the comedic episodes. This one works on so many levels that others don't. I think you miss the point.
Deliberate destruction of two cultures and implementation of a forced breeding program is the height of comedy
Why are so many people so sensitive today? They seem to walk around in a perpetual state of being "offended". Even by a lighthearted and very tame STNG episode.
I think you kept the diarrhea sound going way too long. After a while the joke became annoying.
If a French ship has the name Papillion, i am just calling it Butterfly.
2:47 that is a face that's this show gonna be cancelled. had done any other ethnic group like this they would in so much trouble.