Across the Spider-Verse: Miguel O'Hara - Therapist Reacts!
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Join psychotherapist Georgia Dow as she delves into the complex psyche of Miguel O'Hara in "Across the Spider-Verse." In this insightful video, Georgia examines the profound psychological impact of Miguel's decisions and losses, unraveling the layers of emotional turmoil that define his character. Through expert analysis, she sheds light on the deep-seated wounds and challenges he grapples with, offering viewers a deeper understanding of the intricate struggles Miguel faces. Don't miss this thought-provoking exploration that delves into the psychological landscape of Miguel O'Hara, providing a fresh perspective on his journey in "Across the Spider-Verse."
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I love how well Miguel as an antagonist represents the fundamental flaw of the Spider Society’s doctrine: that Spider-People are defined by their trauma and that their trauma is essential.
Very well put!
well said = ))
Yeah I have a huge problem with this.
@@GeorgiaDow id like to hear your analyasis of gabriel from ultrakill, there's more reading than there is voicelines,but he's a very integral part of the story and i think you might find it interesting.
@@derrickdaniels3955 What bothers me about Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma and stories need to be dark/serious/downbeat to be interesting ..
People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that.
The reason why I love this movie is Miles is literally against all the Spideys and tries to defy basic spider-man tropes and redefine what it means to be spider-man and since he’s the protagonist everyone sides and say Miguel is wrong (which he very well is) but don’t acknowledge how Miguel represents them
He’s such a complicated character. It’s also very obvious he suffers from extreme anxiety . And I think that causes him to come off very angry and aggressive . it’s anxiety and trauma .
Combine that with a desire to control his world due to said trauma and yeah he a ahole but like I understand it. I don't like it but the logical side of me see the that suffering and feel bad for it. The emotional side says "someone punch this guy in the throat"
I feel this 😢
Dude aint even a real Spiderman lol
extreme anxiety?? nah he has multiversal anxiety. like dude has been stressed beyond belief. he’s only like 28 and already looks 40😭 poor guy
@@BluEx22329he is but he's like Batman beyond aka from the future of the normal timeline
they call him a "vampire" due to the cape and fangs but it's just because his DNA is more "spider" then the others. many spiders have a paralizing venom in their fangs, and he does too.
Also! spidermen and women all have their abilties from the radioactive spider from their world, but Miguel didn't and that means he's kind of an outsider in the spider society, he doesn't get to match spider senses with anybody else, like when Miles met the spider people in the first film
Also I’m surprised they didn’t give Miguel shades due to the sensitivity of his vision.
@@Reese91momo
But his room is dark.
@@Raccon_Detective.yeah but he chases Miles and unmask in broad daylight later in the movie.
Hes not a real Spiderman. Hes a poser
@@BluEx22329
Spider people can get thier powers in different ways.
There's something genius about Hobie's voice saying, over Miguel looking *miserable*, "The whole point of being Spider-Man is your independence." Miguel is canonically the most capable Spider-Man in terms of functioning alone and without backup. It's not presented here as a cool, badass quality. It's the result of trauma, and it's making him deeply depressed.
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Fun Fact:In the comics a machine accident caused Miguel's DNA to become spliced with a Spider's DNA making him 50% human and 50% spider.
Spiders in real life have 2-3 small claws that helps them climb and stick to things.
It's just there aren't many people brave enough to pick up a spider then closer inspect it.There's also online photos of thier claws.
It wasn't just an accident. Miguel essentially wanted to find a way to get out of a drug addiction that his employer imposed on him when he was still working in Alchemax and wanted to resign. That backfired and was sabotaged by one of his jealous colleagues. The accident resulted in Miguel accidentally killing the colleague who sabotaged the process.
Fun fact: some people call them paws
@@TuberoseKisser He is still human. He can retract those claws, so not sure if you really want to call his hands "paws".
@@crimsonghoul8983cats can retract their claws too
@crimsonghoul8983 it was also revealed later that his boss actually only gave him something to simulate the symptoms of the drug addiction so he'd believe it was the real thing, which made Miguel realise he changed his DNA when it wasn't necessary
The thing about Miguel in the comics is that he's all business when he's Spider-Man and is more relaxed and sarcastic in his civilian life.
Which was a deliberate reversal of Peter being an awkward nerd in his civilian life while using the Spider-Man identity to cut loose and really show his true self.
For Peter, the mask represents freedom.
For Miguel, the mask represents fight-or-flight.
Miguel has survivors guilt at a level that has no name as well. (FYI He was a break from the Spider people cannon himself. He was the result of genetic manipulation, has no spidersense .. in addition to the no humor ego self defense that most spider people have)
i disagree in the no humor thing.. he is still really funny without having to tell any jokes
@@montescarpado He's definitely still funny, it's just not intentional like with the others😂
No, he's not a canon break himself. A canon break is when something that wasn't supposed to happen in a specific universe does.
@@alejandromelendez1609 He is definitely a break from the Canon, just not for the reason that this person gave. He's a break from the Canon because of how long he stayed out of his own universe and because he was living in a universe that he was supposed to be dead in, technically switching 2 events within those universes and therefore changing the Canon of both.
@@shanajeangedeon9060 okay, that's a really good point. I stand corrected.
The best antagonists are the ones you can relate to and empathize with. You find yourself agreeing with him a lot as well.
@BooN877 just wondering, how is Miguel agreeable?
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674bc u can’t save everybody especially when it comes to being spider-man. “with great power comes great responsibility” miles disregards this and puts his own selfish desires over millions of lives and other universes.
miguel sees himself in miles with his past mistake when he reconnected with his daughter. now miguel has taken the burden and responsibility of keeping the universes from collapsing in hopes of doing somewhat any right the wrong he did. u can see it in him, he hates himself for it for his past mistake and it’s defined him and willed him to what he is now.
“i don’t always like what i have to do but i know i have to be the one to do it”
@@2099vtaperSees himself in miles and proceeds to try and beat him up and want him to experience pain just like him. Im on miles side. Would you let your dad die if you knew you could stop it?
@@CrashDAMFCourse bro he is pinning him down. there is no beating miles 💀 do u see miles being immobile?
the point of this movie is the whole spider-man trope.i don’t understand how anyone can be a spider fan and forget the “with great power comes great responsibility.” miles is disregarding the very thing about spider-man.
ofc i wouldn’t let my dad die if i knew about his death but really tell me, ur morality lies within u saving one person or whole universes from multiple dimensions, which are u choosing? u already have seen it with the Indian Spider-man’s universe having a hole bc miles disrupted a canon event and miguel said it himself they aren’t very lucky about closing it up .
u said u chose miles side, i guess bye bye to everybody bc u want to be selfish. u can’t be spider-man and save everybody that’s the tragedy of spider-man, there’s sacrifices
@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 His concerns are extremely valid, and his motivation is to keep the multiverse from being destroyed.
Miguel isn't vampire, his genes were spliced with spider DNA and thus he has a venomous bite with fangs, he has light sensitive eyes (sensitive senses all around to make up for his lack of a spider sense) and he doesn't magically stick to walls, he has claws on his digits
It is still something that isolates him, though, as no other spiderman gets their powers through this method.
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And don't forget the claws/spikes on his forearms, and he doesn't have the Spidey senses
@@marche800his inner circle also wasn’t bit by spiders. Drew is either spider made to look human or was spliced with spider dna as fetus to cure deadly disease. And Ben has 50% chance to be a clone of Peter. Or he is real Peter and normal Spider-Man is real clone. Ben does not care. He likes being him self. Clone saga was weird.
We had to question it. Marvel has vampires. It's not a stretch to have a vampire Spider-Man
I think Miguel's core is fear, all of the fear is based in his care that he once had, the care that he should have for the world.
He's literally trying to prevent the world from dying. How does he not care about the world?
I just noticed how Gwen and Miguel’s actions mirror each other. Just like Gwen, Miguel didn’t know what to do, didn’t know what the right thing is . And both of them (kinda) run away from their home dimensions. In the scene where Gwen talked to her father, she said” I’m completely on my own!”, very similar to what Miguel said in the Nueva York train chase scene” I’m the one who’s holding all this together.”
It’s interesting to see how the three main characters in this movie mirrors their story with one other( Gwen and Miles, Miguel and Gwen).
I got another fact about Miguel that was hinted at in the movie. It might also explain his character better.
He works for Alchemax, partly like an employee and partly like a prisoner. Alchemax wanted him for his skills, but needed to make sure he’d never leave.
So they got him addicted to a drug that only they can provide.
I don’t know if they’ll ever include this tidbit in the next film, but I think that injection he gave himself might be the antidote he’s always working on.
Spider hero’s usually have tough lives, but being held hostage by your own employer?
It’s easy to see why he wanted to run away from his own dimension and is far less humorous.
*worked
(Plus that employer being your biological father)
Also, he has a bad relationship with his parents in general, abusive house, his mother blatantly hated him making Gabriel (his brother) the favourite.
@@mrmdbd2529 Oh yes. I forgot about that. Its been years since I read his comic on the web.
@@crimsonghoul8983 He has such a bad luck when it comes to... life in general like 😭😭😭
@@mrmdbd2529 Miguel: Abusive Family and upbringing, Forced to work for the Bad Guys that dominate the world = Enslavement, Is an Anomaly that murdered an entire reality, Has no love life whatsoever.
His reflection named Miles: Unconditional Loving Family and active support to let loose when needed, Is Unscripted given complete Free Will to be whatever he wants to be...Directly caused by those same Bad Guys, Is an Anomaly that saved the entire Multiverse, Has Gwen Stacy fighting herself and her love and the entire Multiverse to be with the one she loves.
I wonder why Miguel hates Miles and can't understand where he's coming from? I wonder why one is currently a mass murderer and the other isn't?
I wonder how Miles Prowler is going to be the middle ground clearly, The one to synthesis them perhaps lead to actual understanding and compromise.
Miguel’s powers are more body horror based, instead of science based like Peter’s and the others.
Think of Miguel as the comics equivalent of the character of Seth Brundle from the 80’s remake of the movie “The Fly”. Hence, Miguel’s venom bite.
In the comics, Miguel actually is funny as his civilian self and completely serious as Spider-Man. So him being so serious and hardened in the film makes sense because he’s in the suit the whole time outside of the flashback.
I don’t agree with Miguel’s methods but I understand where he is coming from. He isn’t the bad guy here.
IMHO. He is not the big bad but one of the story’s “Dragons”. They have sorta framed the real enemy as the cannon itself.
“the hardest choices requires the strongest wills” i guess
The kind of ironclad control Miguel wants to impose on the Spiders and the Spiderverse was never going to work without those methods. You can't divorce them. Which is a big hint that his goal is not one he should be pursuing, whether or not it can even be achieved at all.
Agree, he make we mad but we can't give up on him
Oh no, he is definitely the bad guy here, but he's a very specific kind of bad guy. The Well-intentioned Extremist, a form of Anti-Villain. He's not your traditional, moustache-twirling villain, but he definitely is still a villain.
The quote "with great power comes great responsibility" goes so fucking deep. Even in this case, we can see him being burdened with the responsibility he feels he has as someone capable of jumping around the multiverse. That one quote will forever be one of the best quotes out there.
Miguel in the comics doesn't buy into that though. He believes that "With great power comes great guilt."
Miguel isn’t a vampire, he’s just more spider-like than Peter Parker. His fangs have paralysis venom. His claws are what let’s him wall crawl.
What I find fascinating is Miguel being so terrified of Miles' ability to disrupt a canon event, if Miguel had succeeded in locking up Miles he absolutely would've disrupted the canon event itself i.e. "Police Chief is killed >while spiderman fights his nemesis
He's not rational he's literally as irrational and unhinged as one could get. He's wrong about everything...But the sole exception that "you can't save everyone" that's a basic fact of life. But Miles response is 100% the valid Spider-Man response...I can try. The odds and risk and chance of failure change nothing.
@@flamesofchaos13 What do you mean Miguel is not rational? From what he knows he's making the safe decision, if you don't know how to stop a canon event, and you watch someone disrupt one and THAT IT'S CAUSING THE DEATH OF AN ENTIRE UNIVERSE you'd probably try and stop that person. Miguel is irrational in his treatment of Miles as an anomaly, he blames Miles for things he has not done, but there is one thing Miles did do (that wasn't wrong) that would probably scare someone in Miguel's position, Miles almost destroyed a universe. Is he wrong for preventing Miles from saving his dad in his home world? Yes. Is he irrational for trying to stop anomalies from happening? No.
@@flamesofchaos13You are only saying that because Miles is the main character. How is he wrong about everything.
It’s easy to consider Miguel the villain. However, remember that he has had to watch one world die and stop, most likely, many others from having the same fate. He has seen the scenario play several times for real, and no rational human would want to gamble with the fate of a universe. In my opinion, neither Miguel nor Miles is wrong. It’s also only natural for Miles to want to save his father. But imagine this, what if the universe collapses if he saves him? Would Miles and Gwen feel the same about Miguel been the “bad” guy? Side note: You’d notice Peter B. Parker very well understands both sides and couldn’t simply make any decision for most of the movie
While Miguel is in the wrong, I understand why he is the way he is, and why he acts the way he does. He has pinned the destruction of an entire universe squarely on his own shoulders, just because he wanted a happy life. That obviously traumatized him, and now he's desperate to make sure the same never happens to everyone else... but that also led him to believe that tragedy isn't just a component in a Spider's life, but a necessary building block that the multiverse can't exist without. From Miguel's eyes, Miles isn't trying to save his father; he's willingly putting his own universe, and the entire multiverse, at risk of complete destruction, despite knowing the risks. For Miguel, every single life in every single universe is resting on his shoulders, and the pressure is clearly too much for him to bear (which it would be too much for ANY single person to bear), but he refuses to admit it.
But despite that, I know he's not a BAD person. The opening is proof of that. He didn't want Gwen to be a part of the Spider-Society because of their shenanigans in the first movie, but when he sees her being rejected by her father and at her lowest point, he can't help but take pity on her. There was no benefit to letting her in, he only did it because she desperately needed help.
There's also a dark irony to the fact that despite Miguel being one of the film's main antagonists, he's just about the only person in the movie to be completely honest with Miles, while his friends are constantly lying and keeping secrets.
This is exactly right. In many ways Miguel is the victim of his own compassion. He could've easily just locked up Miles' friends before they even knew what was happening and quarantined Miles' universe, but instead he chooses to tell Miles the truth and persuade him with his own vulnerability. He didn't have to reopen the wound of losing his daughter, but he played the clip for Miles anyway to try and empathize with him. Unfortunately it backfired since when Miles pushed back, Miguel lost control and ended up making things worse. He's a very tragic character, and I hope they give him the conclusion he deserves in Beyond.
Completely agree with you.
@@johnhannan1716 Couldn’t have said it better. This a great summary of Miguel’s crucial role in the story.
A man who is heartless once cared too much. Anger is a place they run to to avoid grief.
Anger is Sadness's bodyguard.
@@sweaterweatherladyAnger is self destructive.
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic
As for blaming Miles for being the anomaly, Miguel is right, but his approach to dealing with it is wrong. Miles wasn't supposed to be bitten by the 42 spider, but he did, so instead of trying to ostracize him he could have guided him and mentored him. Miguel and Miles couldn't help what happened to him but the question is what to do with it? Contain and get rid of the anomaly or help me be a better hero.
If he killed a child for being an Anomaly he's Pure Evil. If he killed anyone for being an Anomaly he's Pure Evil. As they're meant to exist. Nothing has broken the actual canon of the story. It's the canon of Anomalies to paradoxically break the canon. The Canon is literally inherently evil it should be broken...More people seemingly need to watch Loki and connect the dots.
Although he didn’t help Miles, he was fine with letting him be. He already kinda accepted the “anomaly” until he wanted to interfere with a “canon event.”
Miguel was the original anomaly. He was the one who 1st jumped to change Canon by replacing his dead version of hiself.
@@darrellglover493 ur mixing up anomaly and disrupting canons. miles is an anomaly bc he wasn’t supposed to be bit by the spider 42 but was bit by it anyways and it was from another dimension, which wasn’t supposed to happen which is an “anomaly.”
miguel subbing in for his dead variant wasn’t disrupting a canon. him letting his variant die in that world was the canon event. him reconnecting with his daughter has nothing to do with it.
miguel has the right pieces to the puzzle but does not have all of the pieces. there are holes to his theory. the question lies in, do we risk billions of lives in the hopes of finding the truth and collecting all the pieces? or do we just not tamper with it as the risk is too much? miguel chooses to take the safe route and not tamper with canons bc the results always end in the same, a huge hole causing a universe to unravel.
They're both anomalies/mistakes. Both of them weren't ment to be spider man, both of them damaged the multiverse and both of them believe/believed that they could bend the world to suit them. Miguel is basically a further down the line version of miles. Miguel see's miles as every mistake he ever made waiting to happen, hence why he has a personal vendetta against him. In Miguel's eyes Miles and him are the same, just a lifetime apart.
I love your analysis because it makes so much sense the more I think about it. In the comics, it's clarified that Miguel's mother was a victim of domestic abuse, something that amplified his protective tendencies. Then the events of the film hit and you see trauma build on abuse and spiral into something totally out of his control. He's had to make life or death decisions his entire life, resulting in this volatile mixture of anxiety, anger, and, deep down, the knowledge that he has consistently, repeatedly failed to save the people he loves most. Running a team of superheroes has only solidified the toxic ideas life has taught him: you cannot protect everyone, you are not strong enough, you are not enough, you didn't *do* enough. You need to do better, be stronger, or you're going to lose even more people. That's why he's like this. He has been traumatized enough times that I genuinely think that if he ever admitted to himself that he's in the wrong, he would have a complete emotional breakdown.
I have never hated a villain less. He's doing bad things and making bad decisions but it makes so much sense for who he is and the life he's lived that I can't be angry at him for it, I just want him to find some healing and some peace.
Miguel himself is an abuse victim, both physical from his "father" who he told Tyler Stone would hit him if he upset him, and his mother who saw him as the scapegoat to Gabriel's golden child, even into adulthood.
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I have been yelling about him since May 31st (French theatre release date) because he's so interesting. His authoritarian streak seems 100% fed by his trauma, a trauma that he also uses to move and control the Spider Society by essentialising it and presenting it in a manner that is not unlike generational trauma. "You have to go through this and that to be valid, otherwise you are NOT really a Spiderperson".
He also burdened himself with what feels too much, and he has a heavy layer of personal guilt and grief that will require forgiveness for himself and from others as well (considering how badly he treated Miles while he was having a mental breakdown during the train chase).
I do love the softness hinted at throughout the movie as well: he saves Gwen by stopping her father from shooting at her, then ends up accepting her in the gang, he also pulls a great emotional attempt to convince Miles (after having tried the logic attempt) and I do think he is very sincere there with his concerned expression and the way he physically reaches out to Miles and gently touches him on the shoulder. The whole "becoming a surrogate father" to his alternative self's daughter is a whole thing in itself: both a selfless and selfish act because he wants to help her by covering up the loss, but also because it fulfills his personal desire to have a family and a normal life. And losing that was such a severe blow on him, that now the idea that what he is doing may be wrong that just being questioned by Miles on it is enough to send him into a spiral of anger. Because if he is wrong, then what has he been doing this whole time?
I also think that his intense focus on the Spider Society is a way for him to avoid thinking about himself - when he does, he is literally watching videos of his alternative self and his daughter, and we know what face he makes, it says everything we need to know about his mental state. It's also quite a departure from BEFORE the erasure of that world, but in an interesting way: he's been shown to initially monitor his alternative self and his daughter and smile gently while looking at them, before reminding himself that it is not his life - we see him frown and drop the smile during that scene, as if telling to himself "no, don't". I'd push it as far as arguing that he's denying himself a personal wish there - having a family (and if they follow the comics close enough on that, Miguel's family is immensely fucked up to begin with so having that simple wish kinda breaks my heart, our man is not ok 🫠). And well, we've seen in the poat-credit scene of Into the Spiderverse that he starts the whole thing with a very cavalier attitude, which carried when he recklessly decided to replace his dead alternative self (who died in a highly Uncle Ben way, might I add). It's insanely hard to come to term with that sort of thing, because you have to admit that it's on you and there's nothing you can do to reverse the damages done.
As a sidenote, he is not a vampire, his fangs are venomous and allow him to paralyse his enemies. The fight against the Vulture would have been much quicker had he not been interrupted by the guys in the helicopter lol
Also PETER B IS WRONG about Miguel not being funny. The guy is hilarious, just not in the usual quippy Spidey way. He does throw some burns ("you're both terrible, does that settle it?" comes to mind lol) but the funniest part is not what he says/does but how he reacts. When Lyla forces him to loudly say she has to call the back up and he gets caught up in her rhythm, when his ultra serious demeanour won't stop him from handling Mayday gently and correctly (he only gives her back to Peter B when she asks for it!), when he says "it's cooler than a watch" to Gwen like omg Miguel how old are you you sound like an 8yo during recess, when he says "the little nerd on Earth 19999" as if he isn't a goddamn nerd himself and generally complains about the events of No Way Home while saving people... Miguel is very funny imo and here we get a lot of glimpses of how even funnier he could be once he heals and gets back to a healthier mental state. Although I do give it to Peter B a bit, he is notoriously not the funniest Spiderman but he does throw savage burns still.
Anyway I am going into an in-depth analysis for Miguel on my tumblr blog, those are some of my talking points for the incoming part 2 lol Miguel has been living rent free in my head the whole time
This comment is beautiful ❤
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Just to go deeper into Miguel not accepting there's a chance he could be wrong about the anomaly - if Miles is right, and his universe doesn't collapse, then why did it happen to him, does he not deserve that happiness? I think that's the main reason why he refuses to believe it, he doesn't want to come to terms with the fact that others get to change their stories and he couldn't.
Yep, this is spot on. He's subconsciously convinced himself that he doesn't deserve to have what he wants, and Miles getting to keep both his parents would be final confirmation that the multiverse itself specifically does not want Miguel to be happy. I'm betting the conclusion to his arc will be learning to accept and let go of his past (specifically the other Miguel's daughter) so he can find a new happiness with a new family (my guess is Jess and her unborn child - there's *something* going on there and she's feels *something* towards Miguel, the writers just haven't played that card yet).
This might just be me but when Miguel says to Miles "Your just a kid! Who Has No Idea What He's DOING!" I feel like he is saying that to a part of himself too because Miles is a representation of his past mistake (a big one) and yeah when we first meet Miguel in the post credit scene in 'Spider-Verse' he didn't take the multiverse almost collapsing serious because to him and probably every other Spider that's a Friday night because they would save the day but boy....things turned out bad for him
He’s one of the best antagonists I’ve ever seen in a modern hero film. The crazy thing is that we have Spot, the classic black and and white “villain”, but seeing this Miguel o hara character feel this regret, feel this pressure of the multiverse Fate, the “elite strike team” is incredibly fascinating to see
great analysis! Miguel’s story really is a case of sunk-cost fallacy and trauma/survivor’s guilt gone way too far. Miguel has to stick to this one track mind, not giving any chance to doubt or question what he’s done and is doing, because if he questions, then there’s a possibility that he’d have to admit to himself that 1.) things aren’t tied to this unchangeable string of fate, people do in fact have choice and agency, 2.) there perhaps could have been a chance that he could’ve saved his family and adopted universe, and 3.) through his leadership in the Spider Society, he’s condemned dozens, if not hundreds or thousands of Spider-people’s loved ones to death for no real reason.
I think that’s partially why Miles enrages him so much. It’s not just that Miles is a dissenting voice who refuses to yield to canon, he’s basically a reflection of what Miguel could have been/what he could have had. Despite being an “anomaly” and messing with the canon, Miles still has a happy family, a universe he can call home, and a comparatively stress-free life even as NYC’s one and only Spider-Man. He’s positively changed other people’s lives like Peter B., Pavitr, and Gwen, made them better and more compassionate heroes, without the enforced shared trauma and apathy of the Spider-Society.
Miguel sees that and subconsciously thinks, why couldn’t he have had that? What did Miles do that he didn’t to deserve a happy life? How is he such a good hero without going through inconceivable amounts of trauma? It’s not just projection motivating his hatred of Miles, it’s jealousy. I think that’s part of why upon first meeting him, Miguel so quickly goes from trying to be calm and understanding, to “let’s just lock him up for a few days, whatever,” to angrily chasing him, to “I WILL TEAR HIM APART WITH MY BARE HANDS.”
gosh I wrote a lot, sorry but Miguel interests me a lot as a character lol. I can’t wait to see what happens to him in BTSV. Once again great video!!
@katleido What bothers me about Miles vs Miguel is I don’t get how so many fans and audiences for years say spider-man/characters in general needs to suffer and lose people and go through trauma and what not but now those same people (without any acknowledgment of their hypocrisy) side with Miles who is arguing against the story idea that characters need to suffer and go through loss and trauma and stories need to be dark/serious/downbeat to be interesting ..
People are so caught up in calling out the already established inconsistencies in the canon event idea that they don’t understand or acknowledge the thematic significance of canon events as a representation of “necessary story beats (especially for Spider-Man)” that they for years want to happen all the time but can’t admit they were wrong or were challenged by that.
The reason why I love this movie is Miles is literally against all the Spideys and tries to defy basic spider-man tropes and redefine what it means to be spider-man and since he’s the protagonist everyone sides and say Miguel is wrong (which he very well is) but don’t acknowledge how Miguel represents them
Fans are literally the reason spider-man has a set fate: look at Tom holland’s spider-man people wanted him to suffer in order to like him. Miguel is no different in that first point than average spider man comics fan
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 YOU HAVE SAID WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY TO OTHERS WAY BETTER THAN ME. I think a lot of people misunderstand that what makes Peter (and Spider-People in general) interesting isn't because he suffers, it's because he reacts bot realistically and heroically to problems average people will face, like death for example.
I'm also so glad you decided to call out the Miles stans, like it bothers me to hell and back that people side with Miles SO READILY even before the movie came out.
So true
honestly it's part of the reason why I like Scarlet Spider (Kaine Parker) he's essentually a...well an anti Spider-Man almost. He doesin't have the baggage or the responsability that came about from Spider-Man's Tramua yet he still saves people out of sheer choice because that's the kind of person Kaine is even when he doesn't want to somtimes.@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674
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A joke that those who understand Spanish & Hispanic culture. When Miles says to Miguel, Que tao Tío. Tío means uncle. In some Hispanic cultures like Puerto Rican like Miles. Calling someone older than you Tío or Tía as a way of sorta as a term of playful endearment & some respect that they are older than you. BUT, this is not usually something Mexicans (Miguel) do. So to Miguel, Miles calling him Tío sorta came across as an unintended insult making fun of Miguel's age & just being confused 😂 when Miles probably wanted to positively connect with another Hispanic spiderperson. Only for it to actually have the opposite affect 😂 everyone who worked on the spider-verse franchise really know their stuff
I'd seen a viewpoint that Miguel actually sees himself in Miles which is another reason why he's so commited to stopping him, to keep him from repeating the same mistake he did, and that really qhd me rethinking his character
Something i noticed during the baby scene, even though he never looked at Spider baby the entire time she was crawling on him the moment she fell he caught her the right way. The position of his hands, one under her head and the other supporting her body. Isn't that the correct way to hold a baby? I assume this was done out of the fatherly instinct he picked up when he switched with his alternate self. When Miguel was holding her upright, still not looking at her he maintained proper form. Comparing that scene with how Miles held her Miguel must have spent along time in that universe for him to develop that skill into muscle memory
Peter showing a traumatized Miguel pictures of his LIVING child.
I felt that Miguel was such a tragic character. He means well, but all he's gone through that brought him to the point he is when we meet him, was making the situation worse in many ways.
Another reason I love Miguel? How he is portrayed is exactly how Cyclops from the X-men is. People are always misrepresent Cyclops. Cyclops had no sense of humor and doesn’t have time to make jokes because he knows that he must be the one to lead his gang of mutants because one bad choice can result in the extermination of his mutant race. The responsibility of such a leadership role and as well as his responsibility to keep his powers in check at all times; such things can way in him.
The way how Miguel is written here is the closet thing to accurate representation of my favorite mutant, Cyclops. Miguel may not be Cyclops but I can just appreciate what I can; this is closest to cyclops I have seen by far. I’m tired of people milking Wolverine to no end.
The people who view these authority figures as boring and too controlling, are the troublemakers who break the rules and have to be cleaned up after.
A shame the writers miss the point and ruin Cyclops with their faulty interpretations.
@@thatHARVguywe need more like you, currently the spider man and storytelling fandoms are made up of the people you mentioned
@francostevo9939 best cyclops comics?
@@thatHARVguyexactly. Not only that but writers focus too much on cyclops’s powers and not on what is more powerful than his powers: his tactical mind and strategic know how.
Ada writer myself, I am in the process of making my own cyclops story and his tactical strategic mind is incorporated. For example, Cyclops is fighting Wolverine and keeps his distance when fighting him because Wolverine has no subtlety in his fighting style; just quick ahead charge.
Cyclops fires optic blasts on the ground, pretending that they were intended for Wolverine but they aren’t. Why? Cyclops shoots the ground to make Wolverine think that cyclops is missing when in actuality Cyclops is firing the ground to make a dust cloud to not only give himself some cover but to also see where the dust is blowing in the wind so he could know which direction is downwind. Why? Cyclops will move downwind and perform surprise attacks on Wolverine that are unexpected. Why? Wolverine sense of smell can’t detect Cyclops if cyclops’s scent is blowing downwind.
@@thatHARVguyBRO EXACTLY. U HIT THE DAMN POINT. i’m so glad u said this bc literally that’s all i see with the new spidey fans. i was never a huge spidey fan but this movie made me like miguel’s character and his position in the movie.
i get both sides and where they are coming from but miles fans just see it one way when it’s supposed to be seen in two directions
It's never stated but despite Jess Drew blatantly being his second-in-command Peter B. is clearly the one that's closest to Miguel and I'm wondering if that's the reason Peter B. is the one he called to help him when that Universe was collapsing or if they're so close because he was the one who was there for it
Peter B. Wasn't actually the only Spider in the Scene! I Know it looks that way but if you watch the dimension collapsing scene closely, other spider people are swinging in the background trying to help!
I can never hate Miguel because I understand where he is coming from. As much as I want to change something, there are times I don’t want to change it and remain miserable because without that pain, I don’t have the motivation to make things right. I allow myself to feel this pain to do the right thing. I am planning to get one day get a tattoo to remind myself of my wrong (and I hate tattoos btw) because I won’t be young forever and I don’t want age to diminish the memory of this pain from my mind. Why? Because a wise man once said “Never forget those you have wronged because I can assure you they will not forget you “
I did something back in 2000 that I can’t get over; I was 5. I refuse to heal from or forget.
really deep story man. i hope u deal with whatever u have to deal with good wisdom in a healthy manner. wishing u love.
and i agree with u, pain and suffering makes us stronger than what we were. we either adapt to it or let us break us apart. but those who remain strong and try to right the wrong will prevail. i guess this is why i resonate with Miguel as well.
i do believe his atonement and inability to forgive himself has taken been to far which is why he needs help but no one can really understand the pain he went through, so he’s alone and he’s trying his best to right his wrongs
Ok commenters, let me point out that doesn't really matter exactly how Miguel got his fangs, etc. The symbolism is the same whether he's a vampire or part spider. He's still a misunderstood monster who's got a bit of a dramatic, loner worldview. Georgia's character analysis still applies.
A character with an EXTREMELY damaged past and a single-mindedness is a recipe for a fantastic antagonist. That's honestly what Miguel O'hara is. He's not a villain, but is obsessed with reaching his goal.
This movie made me cry man. Everything about it is perfect and I recently got a therapist because my father passed away and in a way I resonate with the story heavy. I love these videos.
I couldn't agree more with you, my friend. I'm sorry for your loss, hope you're doing better.
What I don’t see people asking is this for some reason: if Miguel is wrong and saving the father will not trigger a destructive butterfly event like what happened to him, then why wouldn’t it? How can Miles save his father and evade the catastrophe? What makes him better or more special than Miguel that if he changes fate, his world will be fine wile Miguel’s saw destruction?
I was a bit apprehensive when I first saw the trailer for portraying Miguel O'Hara aka Spider-Man 2099 in an antagonistic way because Miguel is a far cry from a villain and he's also my all-time favourite Spider-Man in the comics but the movie did an amazing job for portraying him not as the villain but more like an opposing force. Also just to clarify, he is not part vampire. That was just a joke they made in the movie becuse he has fangs which can secrete paralyzing venom.
He should’ve eaten the empanada in the scene where he threw a machine at miles 😂 empanadas help ease tension
Great video! He may be an antagonist, but he wasn’t an evil villain. Just him mirroring off Miles , and comparing him to himself. His struggle for change is all from his experience, he thinks change will make the same thing happen to him happen all over the multiverse. He just doesn’t want Miles to end up like him. It’s not his way or no way, he just feels like it’s too much of a risk. Great video! Can you do The Spot next? Great video @GerogiaDow ! God bless y’all! :)
Thank you! Everytime I watch the scene with Miguel blaming Miles for being the "anomaly" that's messing up the Spiderverse, I see it as a projection of his own guilt and frustration, but everyone is on the band wagon that Miguel's logic makes sense or Miles is to blame. Miguel tried to take someone else's life from another world, he *chose* to be selfish and risk the lives of another dimension. Miles *didn't* ask for the Spider from Earth 42 to bite him! He never knew his graffiti art spot with Aaron was near where the hidden collider was. It was Kingpin and Dr. Ohnn who brought the Spider to Earth 1610, and then let it escape. And The Spot's existence only happened because Kingpin wouldn't stop looking for another life to steal from himself, just like Miguel did. All Miles has been doing is dealing with the situation he was thrown into, not for his own gain, but because of that great responsibility given to him by *his* Earth's Peter Parker, who chose to save him and sacrifice his life as a hero does, and because Miles is a hero himself, of course he'll think of his loved ones first before the word of a random group of Spider People he barely knows and lied to him based on the mistakes of one screw up.
1610-B*
Miguel is one of the original anomalies
@@Gemini053hes not...
@@Gemini053Miguel’s not an anomaly he was meant to be spider man. Miles wasn’t
Thanks for not just calling him a racist. I see some people saying this online, and it's a shame they simplify it for themselves that way. Miguel is an crazy deep character and I'm glad that most people seem to understand that. Especially since it's been said that the producers wanted Miguel to hate Miles that much, i.e. his "You don't belong" speech, and for Miles to beat him down kind of a clap back at the people that hated Miles when he debuted in the comics. I wonder if they are upset that Miguel turned out as popular as he did?
Loved your analysis on Miguel, Georgia!❤ He’s such a complex character, and especially when you acknowledge his background which is heartbreaking, but still takes the part of being a leader carrying the burdens in protecting the multiverse is overwhelming. He’s such a cool character.💕🕷️
So happy you like it < 3
I'm happy we got a Mexican spiderman miguels amazing I love his comics 💯💯
@@Nate_4677 Same!💙🕷️
The thing too with Miguel's not cool redirected anger/projection on to Miles about being an anomaly/being the reason why everything went bad is that its not even true that its miles's fault. It was king pin/alcamex who kept messing with the collider which then caused ripple effects on the spiderverse.
I do think Miguel has a lot of trauma, fear, anger, and anxiety and feels responsible to make things right in every universe, but its directed to the wrong person.
I really appreciated how Miguel is definitely the antagonist of the film, but he's not a villain. I feel like we don't see that very much in these types of movies.
i think how he's animated also shows how he's feeling. you can see the lines from the sketches all around him, he feels incomplete.
“When a man learns to love, he must bear the risk of hatred” - Obito Uchiha
Such a great analysis about Miguel. I can’t wait to see his journey continued in the next film.
That was a fun little spider-meme at the the end.
me as well
To me it felt like Miguel was holding back his humour. That he felt like none of them are serious enough to take the lead so he feels he has to make himself fit that.
Obviously I'm not learned on any of this stuff and might have just misread it.
I really liked Miguel.
I think Miles and Miguel would've been great friends if they were in the right situation but man they met at a horrible time.
I audibly screamed when I saw you were doing one of Miguel O'Hara. lets goooo
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One of the most interesting parts for me was Miguel saying that Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man, when in the comics Miguel turned himself into Spider-Man with science rather than being bit by a spider. By his own logic he was never supposed to be Spider-Man either, and I think that's where a lot of his anger comes from, particularly towards Miles because he sees that part of himself in him. Sidenote, I'm pretty sure that injection he does is a re-up on the drug that makes him have the powers, and he does it while saying he doesn't like doing what he has to do. He feels like a fraud, and he knows that he's a hypocrite, but he can't bring himself to stop.
I think this depiction of Miguel is really interesting, because he definitely seems like someone with good intentions who's lost his way. He's surrounded himself with HUNDREDS of Spider-People across different dimensions -- people who either are Peter Parker, or are people with their unique spin on being Spider-Man. This could be a think-tank of epic proportions with some of the cleverest people in the multiverse.
But instead, Miguel is so burdened by his trauma and loss that he has fully bought into Canon Events so his trauma can still have meaning. He feels like it's his way or the highway, and he seems to have browbeat quite a large amount of people into accepting his narrow way of saving reality.
The Miguel O'Hara from the 1990s Spider-Man 2099 comics didn't act like this, but I think this is a look at an older Miguel who had a child with his lifelong friend/lover Xina Kwan. His child in the flashbacks looked partially Asian, so I think that might have been a reference to Xina. And this Earth-928 we see in the movie looks like a utopia compared to the grim cyberpunk setting of the 2099 comics, so it's possible Miguel cleaned things up over time. That couldn't have been easy.
Now the multiverse is his new project...and it's not going the way he hoped.
im not even kidding i’ve never heard gabriella’s voice lines before when miguel is running w her in his arms, I JUST STARTED BAWLING MY EYES OUT. ITS SO HEARTBREAKING😭
hes actually borderline suicidal in the comics. lyla has o protect him from windows
If #CinemaTherapy covers this movie, I hope you're the guest host. I'd love to see what the three of you would discuss.
Yes
I love Miguel, he's so misunderstood.❤
Thank you so much for this analysis. I’ve seen so many discussions where people are calling Miguel evil or malicious, and honestly it’s so frustrating that they don’t understand the nuances of this character beyond “he’s mean to miles, let him potentially destroy the multiverse 😡”, like Miguel saw with his own eyes what trying to change the canon can do. He’s so misunderstood but I knew that your understanding nuance would be perfect for an analysis video on him.
Not only did Miguel see with his own eyes- he’s been patching up anomalies across the multiverse for at least a year and a half (according to the fact that Miles has been Spider-Man for that amount of time). And I don’t think all anomaly incidences involve letting someone die. At the Guggenheim with Gwen, he contained the displaced vulture and saved civilians in the museum. He and the entire spider society have been working behind the scenes on removing anomalies and returning them to their home dimensions the whole time by the time across the spiderverse happens.
Miguel isn't a vampire, just a human mutate spider. That's why he has fangs and talons. Also, he doesn't have a spider sense. Hence not like the others. Bad ass character
I had big traumas too in my life, Miguel feels so much like myself in a way. I may discovered big stuff about myself with this video, thanks
In another note, Im glad a spiderman finally has fangs and venom like all spiders do
Miguel O'hara just needs chai tea and a conversation with peter or a hug.
Chai *tea*? Chai *means* "tea", bro! You're saying "tea tea"!
fun fact: miguel has fangs and claws because he got his powers through gen splicing so he is literally part spider
truth
11:14 Every time see this scene Miguel in this scene it always comes off as Miguel trapping Miles not because Miles is against him but because he's afraid Miles is going to destroy his own universe and he knows damn well he can't convince him to do otherwise.
From his point of view, he can either capture Miles and let his dad die and save his universe, or he can let Miles go save his dad and risk him destroying his entire world and his dad anyways.
its like watching your toddler run across a field into some neighbor, you can either let him go and pray that it will be fine. Or you can race across the feild and make sure he doesn't get hurt
One thing to keep in mind is that Miguel is essentially correct about the canon events themselves, given what's seen in the movies, but he only knows that because he broke one himself. It's dangerous on a universal scale to mess with them, and because of what he went through, he's doing everything in his power to keep people from breaking them, even if it means going too far. What he's trying to do is good and bad at the same time. He's trying to save universes, and to do that he tries to ensure specific events aren't changed because changing them causes the universe to unravel. It's pretty much the same thing as the set points in time introduced in the marvel what if series where Doctor Strange gets obsessed with bringing back Christine, and in doing so, destroys his universe. Because her death is what led to him becoming a sorcerer in that universe and changing that dooms the universe because he wouldn't have been able to save it from various threats. It's like Peter B Parker said, if these certain events hadn't happened, then all the good things they've done afterwards wouldn't have happened. It causes a paradox that destroys the universe.
It's far beyond the purview of this video and I'm not sure how it's going to be adapted, but beyond the flashbacks we've seen in ATSV and looking at his comics, Miguel's had a really rough home life: finding out his father isn't who he thought he was, growing up with an abusive narcissistic mother who verbally berated him, frequently compared him to others to tear him down and laughed in his face when he revealed he was Spider-Man. He's a jackass the whole movie but I feel like we'll see a very different side of him in the next one.
Not to mention his relationship with Lyla - I feel like Beyond the Spider-Verse will focus on him (alongside Miles Morales 42)
For people wondering what exactly Miguel is, essentially, the short version is due to a sabotage experiment, his DNA got mixed with spider DNA, so he took on some spider features, which essentially gave him what we would call more vampiric appearances. Basically, his bite would paralyze you much like a spider does with its prey. It wouldn’t kill someone, but it’s a good way to stop criminals so that he can turn them in.
He’s such a fascinating character in the comics, and in the few different media versions, we see with him in it. I’m definitely very excited to see what he will be doing in the future movie, and I definitely hope that they don’t just make him a straight up bad guy.
Big cheeks himself makes a debut for therapy. He really needs it xD
He isn't a vampire actually, his fangs have venom in them instead if I recall. He's less of a web spinning spider and more of a huntsman one in terms of abilities. He chases after his prey and bruteforces them into submission rather than patiently waiting and trapping them in a web
I feel like in the sequel we'll learn that it wasnt Miguel's fault that universed disappeared but he believes its his fault
I just realized this, since you pointed out that Peter B. was also there with Miguel when that world was erased, do you think that was why he was so against having kids with MJ in the first movie? He was scared he would lose his daughter similarly to Miguel?
What makes Miguel so relatable and scary to me, is that I saw moments in my own life where I was going on a similar path of past events pushing me towards detachment and being driven by anxiety. At those moments I just felt completely lost and everything seemed pointless, I felt detached, bitter and angry, and just so lonely and in those moments I just felt like a ghost, with no future, living in the past mistakes and how I could have changed them if I knew better, if I was better. And those moments seem so dangerous, because it's easy to fall to them and self doubt will keep you there if you let yourself go.
I find it hard to disgree with Miguel. He tried, it failed, and billions perished because of him. So I understand his firm stance against other spider people attempting to save their loved ones.
I think it's perfectly shown when Gwen asks if he knows for sure it wont work and he says: "You wanna find out?" Is it worth the risk to experiment on solutions when the ramifications are so great?? If Miles is wrong then billions die. If Miguel is wrong, one person dies. I dont think he's unjustified.
My one hope when Beyond the Spider Verse comes out is that I wish to see Miguel admitting that he's been underplaying his role as a leader. When you are so focused on a belief you feel is the only right thing to believe in, you do start to lose a sense of humanity. I want to see a moment of Miguel admitting his role a leader is so corrupted and that his past was all on him and not on Miles. I wanna see him understand that not every Spider Man has to be born out of the loss of an uncle or a captain of the police department. The whole point of Spider Man is that he always tries, he may not save everyone especially the ones close to him, but he gets back up and tries. Don't ever be afraid of losing people, be afraid of losing yourself over a belief.
We were so focused on Miles we didn't see why Miguel is the way he is. 😢
Love that someone dared to give him an extensive look through his physic. Recently, many people have been thirsting over him, (including myself, I admit it), but besides that he’s gorgeous, I think that part of what attracted me to him, is his emotional side. Can relate to him, in some level. I’ve been grieving, almost my whole life. Lost someone I loved as well.
Funny how when we detect someone that shares our pain, we kinda get attached, or protective over them. Anyway, I have enjoyed the process of meeting his character as a whole. And this video was a great contribute to my knowings.
Would really love to see him happy man, he deserves it.
He’s so strong on the outside, but ah get the feeling that he is so caring deep inside, affectionate. Like a buff teddy bear.
Thus WHY Miguel is an example of An Antagonist who isn’t A Villain of The Story
ALSO though it’s True that there’s ALWAYS sacrifice in The Life of Spider-Man…what they don’t get that it’s The Spider-Person is The One that is to be sacrificed AND NOT Others’ loves
hes so sad but i love him
He lost his kid twice plus all his family and friends, because of his role as spider-man he didn’t choose to be it or by random, it was a co-worker causing this to him and essentially “ruining” his life and I think he has a justified anger/ resentment to his spider power, and in this universe/movie he is the one “holding” the spider-verse together and gathering people to “help” he made the first dimensional goober thing with his AI gal, he has people to help he just chooses not to get any help but he choose them cause they “relate” or are close to “canon” that he believes/knows
I hate to say it, but I personally believe Miguel is right. He went to a different dimension to save his daughter, ignored/avoided the canon events, and cost trillions of people their lives. Because it doesn't just destroy earth, it erases the ENTIRE universe. He's seen what can happen if someone fumbles around with canon events, and doesn't want anyone to make the same mistake he did. I think the 'right thing' to do is, follow the canon events to the exact order. What if spiderman doesn't save the right girl, or can't stop a train. Soon enough a whole reality is destroyed, and potentially ALL of them. We've seen what happened with Tom Hollands Spiderman when he messed with reality, ALL of the villains from ALL realities were coming there (regardless of if they died or not) to beat him up. The only solution was to make everyone, even his closest friends people he saved the galaxy with forget who HE was, just so reality didn't collapse.
Miguel is right, ignore one too many canon events everything crumbles. We've seen towards the end of the second spiderverse movie that if X person quits their job, Y thing won't happen to them because they're not becoming Z. The issue is, the next Z has to be someone close to spiderman. It's one of the key moments in every spidermans story, a canon event that makes them into heroes. If you've read the comics, we've seen what happens when spiderman goes dark. When spiderman punches someone, the force he's using is about the strength it takes for normal people to lift a spoon. So when he punches someone, he's not using everything he's got. His webfluid is capable of being shot point blank into someones mouth, into their lungs to drown them in webfluid. He explains all of this while he beats down a villain, and threatens to kill him if anyone hurts his Aunt May again.
Miguel isn't an antagonist because he enjoys it, he's the antagonist because he HAS to be. He's seen first hand what happens when a spiderman goes too far, tries to save the 'wrong' person, and entire realities disintegrate before his very eyes, his daughter in his arms as she was terrified. He has tried, and so have other spidermen. We saw what happened when Spider-Man: India had his police chief saved by Miles, a giant reality eating hole opened up. The Spider Society came in an effort to stop it's growth, and possibly shrink it. By saving ONE person, and entire reality is pretty much doomed.
In the end Miguel is right, perhaps the methods he is using are because he's invested too much. However, if he doesn't do it how many realities will be lost? How many people will just vanish from existence? How many versions of his daughter will die all because one person needed to be saved? 'The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.' If Miguel, and other spidermen have to let one man die to save their entire reality is has to be done. Because it isn't just earth being erased, it's the entire galaxy
he's actually not a vampire, those are the fangs that spiders have.
Such a great analysis, this was awesome.
Hahahaha! Georgia! LOVE the iconic Spider-pointing at Spider-pointing at Spider scene! YOU made my millennium! I've lost more than Miguel and I'm still funny. In fact, I was bitten by a wolf (not a vampire) when I was 17, and still no weirdness to report [pauses to scratch behind left ear with left foot]. AND I don't drink, do drugs, have casual sex or (currently) eat my feelings. I take my pain straight up and walk it off. Because I WANT to be able to feel good things. Shutting off pain shuts off happiness too. PLUS you NEED FEELINGS in order to make the best decisions. I've said it before, sacrificing others is the antitheses of heroism. Also Georgia...haven't you memorized those D&D manuals by this time? You been playing since you were two...right? = ) I can see why you (and the rest of us) would still need WorldAnvil to keep the ongoing stuff straight, though.
heheh happy you liked the pointing. pain does change us
@@GeorgiaDow Pain changes us for the worse, or the better. We get to choose. I like to write my own story, and lean into the love and happiness = )
thank you for making this video - it is so cathartic to know that every single thought I've had about him is actually like, out there. he's been so mischaracterized its heartbreaking
My therapy is ''it is what it is'.
I already commented on this video a couple minutes ago, lol.
BUT! I just got to the part where you talk about living in despair, and how carrying that weight makes it NEARLY impossible and incredibly psychologically/emotionally draining to even fake a smile for the benefit of others, even though you may (do) care for/love them very much. That really hit home for me. I already identified more with Miguel and his sort of "lost self that could have been" persona, but you helped me understand him even more. Thank you.
I love your Spider verse series, Georgia. Your insights are always fantastic.
Great breakdown, he’s a complex character we want to side with yet unsure about actions
the way he is in the film is the reason i like him and he is so relatable.
One of thr things I really saw was thet the others don’t know how to approach someone like Miguel. When Miles first greets him he’s way too much for Miguel. With someone like him you have to be able to read them and meet them where they’re at. When Peter remarks that O’Hara isn’t funny; he doesn’t know how to talk to someone like Miguel. If they were more quiet and gentle with him they could have seen him in a different way. I have had experience dealing with someone like Miguel. And you really need to know how to read them. Miles is a KID talking to a SOLDIER. There is a really delegate way you have to be around people like Miguel.
Yes yes and yes Miguel O Hara is one of my favorite Spider Men ! Perfect breakdown/analysis of this Spider Man you are spot on as always cool shirt by the way.
I absolutely love this video more than anything I've watched in past 10 years.
Probably, because 1. I see so much of myself in Miguel, and 2. I love digging deep into psychology.
I'm calling it that Hobie has lost a child similar to Miguel but has coped far better.
Where Miguel thinks that because he suffers so must everyone else while Hobie knows what's coming for Parker and Jess but wants to help save them from the pain he suffers.
Thanks for sharing. Blessings on your day!
I really like this analysis, beautifully done
The way he said Spider-Man is a sacrifice…
So well put. Cuz it showcases whenever someone puts the mask on, you will face consequences both sides, once you’re Spider-Man you’re putting your normal life in danger and when you’re a normal person the worlds dangers will be too high.
Sad factor about spider-man, he won’t be able to save everyone around him, especially the ones closest them.
I don't see Miguel projecting, there is a lot of truth in him saying: "You can't have it all" as contrary to Miles who wants to have his cake and eat it too.
It always bothered me how everyone in the movie just blames miles for something that wasn't his choice, he just got bit. If Miguel is gonna be angry at anyone he should be mad at alcemex, or whatever its name is, and kingpin. They warped the spider in, in an experiment to bring over kingpins family from a different universe.
1. i see a lot of people pointing this out in the comments, but still - miguel is 50% spider, not a vampire spider-man
2. i think his empathy for gwen comes from him being a dad of a little girl - he lost his daughter, and right in front of him is a father that almost shot his own daughter, because he thought she was guilty. you can see that miguel is kinda hesitant, because he knows gwen is a kid and won't be always thinking with her brains (meaning she won't be super efficient), but he also knows she has nowhere else to go. if miguel left gwen there - she would be lost, both as a spider-woman and as someone's daughter. i bet if the situation was backwards - gwen being the anomaly and miles being in gwen's spot, the reaction and overall feelings for miles would be different. i would even suggest that if gwen was an anomaly miguel wouldn't be as violent with her as he is with miles. simply because when you are a parent, especially of a child of certain gender, your reaction can be different to what happens to another child of the same gender.
awesom video. i love how the movie shows that miguel's tragedy only made him an unstable wreck instead of just being a thing that motivates him like with alot of fictional characters