Roman Catholic View of Justification (Part 1): Luther and the Reformation with R.C. Sproul
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- Many members of the Protestant church today do not understand properly their origins and the nature of their predecessors “protest” against the Roman Catholic Church. When asked about the respective differences, they may respond with some stereotypical answers such as, “I don’t worship Mary,” “I believe in justification by faith, not works,” or “The bread and wine of the Lord’s supper don’t really turn into the body of Jesus.” In this lesson, Dr. Sproul explains the real, serious points of doctrine at stake during Martin Luther’s timeframe and the Reformation, paying careful attention to the doctrine of justification and its place in Roman Catholic thought.
This message is from R.C. Sproul's 10-part teaching series Luther and the Reformation. Learn more: www.ligonier.org/learn/series...
This message is from R.C. Sproul's 10-part teaching series Luther and the Reformation. Watch the entire series: www.ligonier.org/learn/series/luther-and-the-reformation/
Thanks R. C. Sproul & Lingoiner Ministries & May Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Lead Yu Always.
pennance is not a sacrament
@cultivatorpgh There are no Sacraments talked or written about in the New Testament.
Martin Luther said that Jesus committed adultery with Mary Magdalene.
@@chesterjade7630 If you believe that Sacraments are not written about in the New Testament then you obviously don't understand what a Sacrament is. Here is the Biblical Truth - there is not one single example of a person being saved in the Biblical New Testament Church without a Catholic Sacrament - NOT ONE! There is not one single example of Protestant salvation that can be found anywhere in the entire Bible. Saved by Grace? Not without the Sacraments.
I am a full-time barber only finished high-school no further education but this channel has taught me everything I know about theology. Very thankful towards the Lord for the work you men of God do with these videos. I have many catholic friends, now I have a much better fortress hahaha. Peace my brothers!
Sola Fide ignores - what Jesus has revealed to St John
Revelation 20:11-12 (Christ’s refutes Sola Fide)
The Dead Are Judged
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, the book of life. (And the dead were judged according to their works, )as recorded in the books.
John 3:36 (Jesus said Works of Obedience)
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but must endure God’s wrath.
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
James 2:26
26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead
The Catholic Church teaches that Works of Love, Works of Obedience, Good Deeds along with Faith are active in the Final Judgment -
Christ’s Teachings on Salvation- believe & obey ✅
Did you learn to be a barber from a waffle house employee? If not, why do you learn about. Catholicism from an anti Catholic?
@@anticoomer Catholicism goes against Romans 5:8
@@josecorpus5767 I'm sure the Catholic church teaches that, however, the Word of God doesn't. Churches don't save, denominations don't save, please run to CHRIST and Him alone!
@@RavensStarryNight That's an absurd lie. "You shall not bear false witness."
I was raised in a hardcore catholic family. I was an alter boy for many years and actually wanted to become a priest. Later I read the Gospels and understood that I was saved by grace alone in Christ alone. It took me many years to live the Catholic Church but God had His way. Soli Deo Gloria
@Life right....it is the love of Christ in us that compels us to do good works. Thus, the glory always returns to Him, and Him alone.
@Life God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
@Life so I guess we both agree that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
Catholics also believe in grace alone ❤️
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 plus works
The Catholic view of Salvation is that Christ’s death is a sacrifice of atonement (see Leviticus chapter 5). Christ offers himself, not just nails through his wrists, but his whole life is a offering given to God. Holy Week is Christ displaying before our very 👀 the ethic that he commands for us.
Christ surrenders himself to wicked men who martyr him, not God killing Christ, but us. Not as a penal substitution but as a martyr to charity, holiness and righteousness. As Paul says he took on the nature of a servant, obedient to death on a Cross, therefore God exalted him.
If you follow Imputed Justification the rest of the Bible (mostly about moral behavior and warnings) makes no sense.
@Don Boniface: “For even the Son of Man came ...and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Mark 10:45
“...But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name.”
...This He said, signifying by what death He would die.(John12:27-28,32-33 NKJV)
“...he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin
by the sacrifice of himself.” Hebrews 9:26
...He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, ...
For indeed He does NOT give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. (Hebrews2:14,16 NKJV)
Sin doesn't destroy your salvation so mechanistically as you act like Catholics think. Rather YOU destroy your salvation if YOUR sin is truly mortal ( the list "can be considered mortal", not that it definitely is if the act is done...).
This is because mortal sin is the act of a person who says in their heart that they're not sure (luke warm) or don't want to be with God and thus reject God's salvation and send themselves to Hell. Mortal sin is stuff which can be an act of one who is actively opposed to God's desire for them. The sin act isn't separate front them but rather a result of their state of heart already, or is that which gives death to faith or enacts and fulfills the desires or will of the heart. Just as works are that which give life to faith or enacts and fulfills the desires or will of the heart, afforded to them by God's grace (in the protestant rc sproul sense)
In addition to contrition there is also a need for firm purpose of amendment.
Robert Charles Sproul was my favourite Reformed author. His books about Reformed teaching are easy to understand. The questions I would like to ask Liguonier Ministries:
1. According to Sproul the use of Latin in the Catholic Church is the reason why the Catholic Church ended up with wrong meaning of Greek verb "to justify" while Luther who worked on Greek New Testament got it correctly. However, the Eastern Orthodox Church who continued using Greek to this day, does not teach the same justification as that of the Reformers. The phrase "justified by faith" in New Testament appears four times (Rom. 3:28, 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24). In Greek three of them (Rom. 5:1, Gal. 2:16, 3:24) appear in passive aorist tense while that of Rom. 3:28 is in passive present tense. Those two tenses do not indicate a completed action in the past. If justification is meant to be one time event is by faith alone, then Paul would write those verses in passive perfect tense. Unlike that of English, Greek perfect tense indicates the action described by the verb (to be justified) is completed in the past with continuing result to the present (from speaker/writer point of view).
2. According to Reformers through (one time) justification by faith alone we are counted or declared as righteous based on righteousness of Christ imputed on us. The reason is we can never be able to become righteous that meets God's standard and therefore the only solution is we use righteousness Christ to cover our unrighteousness. When God looks at us, instead of seeing our sins and unrighteousness, he will see the perfect righteousness of Christ. How do you reconcile this concept of external/alien righteousness of Christ with Ezekiel 18:20 that says "the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself", which means we cannot use other person's righteousness?
3. Imputed righteousness concept of the Reformers implies that we are both justified (counted as righteous) and sinners at the same time, which in Latin is "simul iustus et peccator". How do you reconcile it with Ezekiel 33:12 that says "the righteous shall not be able to live by his righteousness when he sins", which means we cannot become righteous and sinner at the same time?
imputed PErfect Righteousness of Christ does not even apply in Luke 12: 47-48....If the Perfect righteousness of Christ is imputed in us, then Why is it that those who sinned Ignorantly must still suffer Minor punishment according to Luke 12: 47-48??
Obviously jesus said same a tree is known by its fruit, its either good or bad,not both.
I wonder how his judgement turned out, seeing he willfully bore false witness against the Church Christ established.
Honestly? I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes.
Please read your Bibles and follow JESUS CHRIST, not a church. Church doesn't save, denominations don't save, only the true Gospel of Jesus Christ saves. Those verses in Ezekiel have nothing to do with the claim you're trying to support friend, but I do understand the problem you would run into if you prooftext those verses with your presupposition, also you ended your paragraph by saying you can't be simultaneously righteous and a sinner.. have you read Romans 6,7 and 8 where Paul describes EXACTLY that..? I'll be praying for you all😁👍
@@paulgritter7957 it's unfortunate to hear someone say I wouldn't want to be that guy, presuming yourself to be above him because you believe your theology is more accurate to the Bibles teaching. Friend we are all sinners and all fall short. Please read your Bible and check out the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector. Please examine yourself
We need more of this and some clear disclosure on all sides of the debate. I am seeing many discussions on this subject and Protestants becoming Catholic or very open to unification. I'm all for unity among Christians, but not at any price.
Studying scripture leads to Catholicism …
When the Catholic faith is fairly presented, even with some mistakes, from a source like RC Sproul, it makes biblical sense to most reasonable people. That is what I have observed.
@@3leon306yep
yes - I'm not a Catholic and I know that works do not save you, but faith in Christ. However, I'm sure that any Catholic will tell me that the works he or she does come out of his or her faith. They probably don't think at all that their works save them at all. But maybe I'm wrong.
You do be right:
Council of Trent, Session VI, Chapter VII says
"Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross"
Some Protestants will get confused when Catholics say good works are necessary for salvation and think that means good works merit salvation, but that is not what Catholics believe. As Paul says: Philippians 2:12-13 "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
We must obey (good works) Jesus if we love him and believe in him, but that it not what merits our salvation or justification.
@@brycemitchell6343 yes - thanks for that. I suppose James is the book that explains it all most clearly- BOTH faith and works are necessary. God bless you!
@@brycemitchell6343 This is my view of faith as well, faith will necessarily produce good works as fruits of justification. The problem is this view is anathematized in the council of Trent (Canon 24 on justification). If you believe your works are fruit of justification and do not cause an increase in justification you’re anathema.
“If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema.”
@@TheRoark this has to be anathematized given that anything that begins without the aid of or is not caused by grace is merely human or Pelagianism
Look into the catholic indulgences and you’ll have a better understanding (as Luther did).
It would be nice if he would actually quote official Catholic teaching on the subject. I have read numerous official Catholic teachings on justification and I’ve never read any that said we are justified after sanctification. All the ones I’ve read say that justification not only the initial declaration of righteousness (as Protestants believe) but that God has also made us a new creation and is sanctifying us and conforming us to the image of his Son.
Scripture says salvation is a process too
@@laserdolphin6483 Where?
That would require truth and work ... he’s only interested in caricature and straw men. His kind of clownish presentation made me Catholic offer 20 years of study
@@3leon306 does Catholicism teach that we are fully justified from our sins by believing and trusting in Christ and His work on the cross or does God still count our sins against us outside of the participation of the Mass? And if He does still count our sins against us outside of participating in the Mass each week, is that then why God provided purgatory for us? So as to give us aid to atone for our own sins, or…?
@@jayman1338 the catechism teaches what Scripture teaches (Old and New Testament) and what is confirmed by the ancient church fathers and ancient Christianity. Let’s begin: (1) We are not in competition with God and not on the same ontological map of being as He, see Exodus 3:14. get this wrong and you’ll run into modern heretical ideas like “synergism” with regard to justification; (2) Hebrews in particular and the entire New Testament reinforce the idea that salvation can be lost through apostasy and sin. Too much scripture involved to begin citing; (3) we have free will AND efficacious and sufficient grace. God’s working out of these two is a mystery, as is His plan for for salvation, predestination, and desire that all be saved. it’s mystery. Yes, we have e means available to us (sacraments) to avoid sin and as Paul says to run the good race and endure to the end 4) Romans is bookmarked with Chapters 1 and 12 through 15 with God’s command for faith that is bound with being obedient. The 613 Jewish laws are essentially replaced with 2 … love and show Charity. Don’t talk to Catholics about “works” (Remember we condemned Pelagianism) until you understand that we’re really talking about obedience in response to scripture. (5) a baptism clearly according to scripture accomplishes something … a grace.
sola scriptura (ironically) violates its own precept by being itself a product of modern tradition. The New Testament itself is the product of tradition and concern for canonicity, apostolic fidelity and succession, etc. As Catholics we apply those criteria to oral tradition of Church Fathers without who we would not have, let’s see, foundations to Christianity such as the trinity and a triune God, the idea of sin, the Eucharist etc. QUESTION: do you believe in a final judgment? what will be the nature of that judgment? What can be lost? are we guaranteed Heaven based on predestination?
I did not understand grace until I attended a Christian church. So glad to have walked away.
The same here. Praise the Lord 🙌
... are you not so grateful for the 'Free Agency' granted to you? Without 'Free agency', are you not no better than the animals created? However; by your own 'Free Agency' ...
@@remalm3670 ????, what are talking about?
@@elizabethdurbin3255 ... what some of the more "traditional Catholics" are considering Apostasy & Herisy in accordance with their believes. There has been a shift in what is Catholic. Beginning with 'Individual Free Will' and 'Collective Salvation' ...czcams.com/video/u5QIr04f0PE/video.html ... 'Free Will' makes YOU and YOU alone are responsible for YOUR ACTIONS not of others ... so here is the question, how have you lived your life? Have you lived your life that you should be on a knee? Did you, as a practicing Catholic refute 'Racism' and affirm "1776" ... "get woke" sister ...
Walked away from grace????
You are wrong that satisfaction earns you your justification and forgiveness. You are already granted absolution if you have the mere will to do penance which in no way makes up for anything you've done, just like an apology gift has absolutely nothing to do with making up for pain you've caused someone. Yet you still have a recognised yearning in yourself to send the gift or do the penance. It is a sign of love and the mere desire to do some act of love as a result of your wrongdoing is a natural part of the nature of your repentance. It is the first steps of your turning from sin. It is nothing to do with earning anything or gaining your justification.
Go read Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by OTT. It's all in there. Including references to all the church documents where the dogma comes from.
Romans 5:9-10 How much more then, since we are now justified by his blood, will we be saved through him from the wrath. Indeed, if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, once reconciled will we be saved by his life. These two verses make the difference between our initial and present justification - having now been reconciled to God - and our salvation which is not just a one time accomplishment/a final done deal but rather ongoing into the future/futuristic; conclusively, they show that justification and salvation do not happen (fully) at the same time. In Romans chapter 5 St Paul says that by faith in Christ and through Christ we gain access to this justifying grace in which we stand and which brings peace between God and us. Because salvation is not by faith alone St Paul rightly introduces saving hope into the formula. St Paul, not explicitly, but by implication says that hope is required with faith for salvation. Romans 5:2b and we boast in hope of the glory of God, in other words a very loving God will never fail us nor forsake us unless we give up. St Paul continues to make his point by saying that even our afflictions produce a chain of virtues - endurance, character - and ending up in giving us great/sure hope in God, which hope does not disappoint us as the Holy Spirit makes us feel in our hearts the reassuring and abundant love with which God loves us. In Romans 5: 6, 8 St Paul points out that God has proven his love for us, namely, "For Christ, while we were still helpless, yet died at the appointed time for the ungodly" and "But God proves his love for us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us." In my opinion although both faith and hope have an element of certainty to them yet they are not guarantees by themselves.
This guy sure could teach....One of the top teachers in Christendom in my opinion.
😂
@@candelario4288 something funny bud?
@@jayman1338 yeah. He is a second hand car salesman. Hasn't a clue about roman Catholicism but ye all thought he did
@@philipcorr8225 listen this really isn’t the platform for you to be coming out. If you’re a homosexual go tell your priest or someone, I don’t want to know…
Gosh dude! 🤷♂️ gross!
Trying to insult me. Try harder. But try responding to the point I made. Oh wait you can't and resorted to an attack on me
Very enlightening indeed. Thanks😮❤
If God has the ability to declare righteous why can’t he just go all the way and make righteous? Also, how do you have faith? Is faith a feeling, a thought or actions? The book of James says your faith is your actions and your actions are your faith. The two are one and the same and can’t be separated.
You’re saved by faith through grace not by work but work is the evidence of your faith
Christian faith is believing Jesus Christ is the begotten son of God and came to the world as a flesh to die for our sin and the Father (Aba)raises him up from the dead after 3 day’s with his full un decayed body 😁❤️
He declares us righteous by the blood of Jesus, is making us more righteous through the work of the Holy Spirit, and will make us righteous after we die. That's why they are called the fruit of the Spirit. That's why Jesus is called the Lord our Righteousness. It is the righteousness that comes by faith in Romans. James is a more practical book. If people claim to have faith but do not even try to have good works they are lying.
@Guess Work There are a couple of pasages I would like to bring up, if you will bear with me.
"8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner.12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” - Matthew 20:8-16
Every believer receives the same salvation, regardless of how effective we are or how long we have been believers. We who have been following Christ for a long time must be careful not to become jealous of young believers or those who die right after receiving Jesus.
"By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care.For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved-even though only as one escaping through the flames... So then, no more boasting about human leaders! All things are yours,whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future -all are yours,and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God. - 1 Corinthians 3:10-15,21-23
Our works and growth in the Spirit will be tested by fire, but the foundation is Jesus. Even if your works fail the test, it is Jesus that saves you.
@Guess Work Paul was a murderer. David was a murderer and adulterer. Will these men be in heaven? On their own merit or because of grace?
Faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
Have faith in God.
Pray and seek his wisdom and knowledge.
Seek his treasures everyday in the word of God.
The Lord will speak to you through his word so read it.
Thanks R. C. Sproul *4 Yur Powerful, Deep, Blessed Sermon on "The Catholic Church & Justification" Especially on Martin Luther & Reformation Where I Say That I Don't Agree With Catholic Church's Say That Justification Is By Faith Alone 4 Our Great Almighty God's Word Is Clear That We Have Been Saved By Grace Thru Faith 4 It's Not Our Own That We Should Boast 4 Salvation Is The Gift of God Written In Ephesians 2:8 4 Catholic Church's Teaching on Justification Is Saying We Do It on Our Own Instead of Focusing on Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Who Saved Us As Written In Romans 5:8 & John **3:16* & Be Blessed R. C. Sproul & Lingoiner Ministries So Very Much.🙏🙏🙌🙌🕊🕊🕊🕊
"Catholic Church's Teaching on Justification Is Saying We Do It on Our Own Instead of Focusing on Our Great Lord Jesus Christ Who Saved Us"
This is false. It's not what the Church teaches, but an absurd lie. And Sproul did not say this either. He was pretty much fair in his treatment of the subject.
If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema. (Canon 9)
@@lanaferguson5000 Yes, that's one of the canons of Trent on justification. What's your point?
I recently just started working at a Catholic School. I knew some things about Rome, but my eyes have been opened just to how much extra Biblical stuff they believe in. I was looking for a video about this subject should apologetics arise. Thanks.
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@@remalm3670 if they believe the Holy Spirit protects the councils and Popes from error how can they criticize the Catholic church and be Catholic?
@@dahelmang ... the Holy Spirit can not / does not cohabitate / tolerate "Evil' (violation of purpose) and/or corruption. When 'Evil and Corruption exist, the Holy Ghost Wil not/Does not 'Protect it'. Want the protection / guidance of the Holy Spirit; do God's Will, do what is Good and Righteous; otherwise You will not and do not have the protection or the guidance of the Holy Spirit ... that goes for everyone and everthing ....
@@remalm3670 ok what is your conclusion about the Catholic Church then? Has the Holy Spirit kept the councils and ex cathedra statements of the Pope from error as the Catholics claim? Or are the Protestants correct that only Scripture is infallible?
Merit of absolution is the crux of the matter.
Redemption through Christ alone cannot be any other way.
From your comment, it sounds like you believe that Catholic doctrine points to something other than Christ’s atoning death and resurrection for our salvation.
@@wjtruax I guess those that practiced “merit containing absolution “for example indulgence , and knew it was a means for filling the coffers so to speak for purpose of completing the Basilca , could be held to account for repentance failure.
@@wjtruax Further I don’t know how the Lord will view this method of “walking out your salvation “ .
The church was built either on a false gospel or a true gospel.
I think the renewal of justification perpetually goes to the nucleus of “merit absolution “
@@andrewdrew677 “merit absolution”?
"Imputation" vs. "Infusion." This is the substance of the argument. Paul addresses it in his specific grief against those leaders in the Galatian churches that pushed the idea of "infusion." I guess their need for being recognized as "father confessors" to satisfy God outweighed their need for truth. The temptation to use knowledge as a weapon looms big in the mind of "control freaks."
Mortal sin clearly and universally defined. It's a lie to say that theologians are in disagreement as to what constitutes a mortal sin.
All sin is mortal. “Venial” sins send you straight to hell. God doesn’t give slaps on the wrist. You’re either in Christ or out.
@@KnightFel No this is unbiblical.
John 5:
16 If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that you should pray about that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, *and there is sin that does not lead to death.*
Which people are preaching the good news of the kingdom around the world to all nations like Jesus christ Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,mark 13:10 ?
There are a lot of denominations doing this; but are they spreading the truth is the issue
@@ottovonapps Please show me a proof from the Bible that many different churches are preach one massage. 1corintians 1:10.
@@vusimngomezulu2500 that's just it...us reformed churches don't "massage" anything. Your demand/question is very hard to understand, my friend. I assume you mean, "show me in the bible where there are multiple places preaching a different Christ and His message?" I don't see different messages in the bible, but we still see many churches preaching different Christs and different gospels don't we. Therefore, I'm asking you to explain that phenomenon. Don't try to put the burden of proof on me as I clearly stated my stance in "reformed Christian."
@@ottovonapps Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Roman's 10:1-3,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3..
@@vusimngomezulu2500 agreed. However, I've seen so many debates that an argument can be made out of isolated or even chapters. I recommend to people reading the whole thing and doing exegesis but not loosing sight of the big picture. To me, weigh individual texts to the whole comprehension. That's why I believe the way I do. If you want me to start bringing in individual verses we can go around in circles the rest of our lives: I've seen/done that already thousands of times
Clear explanation
2 THESS. 2:12 for further thought.
The phrase is to miss mass through one's own fault.
Thank you Dr. Sproul for ministering the Word of God to all.
A fun question for my Roman Catholic friends, who is the blessed man in Romans 4:8 to whom the Lord will NOT impute sin?
Anyone justified and sanctified by the Lord. Of course.
Romans 4:8, where Paul quotes Psalm 32:2: “Blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not reckon [Greek: logizomai] his sin.” David wrote these words in the context of having confessed his abominable sins of murder and adultery, for which he was forgiven. He writes in verse five of the same psalm, “I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, ‘I will confess my transgressions to the Lord”; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin.” For David, this was why God didn’t reckon his sin.
But God’s forgiveness of David’s sins was not merely a legal declaration without some existential effect on David. To the contrary, David describes God’s forgiveness of his sins as being made “clean” and “whiter than snow” (51:7). And herein lies the key to God no longer reckoning David’s sin: the objective guilt of those sins had been removed. God’s reckoning was an evaluation that correctly corresponded to the objective reality of that which was being reckoned.
The comments below are absolutely right. Remember, just because God forgave David his sin doesn’t mean there was not temporal consequences for that sin. Remember David’s son died and his other son Solomon lost the Kingdom of Israel
God forgives the sins of all those who repent.
The man who is forgiven ? your point ?
I think the infallibility of the pope is a major source of disagreement too. If the pope actually has Apostolic authority as the Catholics claim, then he is speaking for God and we should listen to him. If not, then he is blaspheming the Holy Spirit and no one should listen to him. If the Holy Spirit protects the Catholic councils from error then we should believe them. But we know that's not true.
Correct!
@Daniel Pan the councils did not have to be inerrant to establish the canon, they had to be correct about the authorship of the New Testament. After all the Jews established the Old Testament and they were not infallible.
@Daniel Pan the New Testament was written by the Apostles, that's why it is inerrant, because God was speaking through the Apostles. The early church did have the Bible but it was not combined and organized until the councils realized gnostic letters were a threat. That does not require that the councils be inerrant. No one at those councils was an Apostle. They knew which books were written by Apostles.
@Daniel Pan I don't know where you got this idea but if you read the early church father like Athanasius they were very concerned with the author of the books. The gnostic letters claimed to be written by Apostles but were forgeries. Luke travelled with Paul and interviewed the other Apostles. The real question is Hebrews, which is why it took so long for it to be added to canon.
@Daniel Pan they didn't have to be archeologists, the early church fathers were trained by the Apostles and knew which letters they had written.
Catholics are more divided now than ever with Francis being such a political figure. But we have a motto, in essentials unity, in non-essentials diversity, in everything charity. We don't brutally enforce a dogma the way the Catholic Church has done in the past so of course we have more variety. That's not always bad. And I believe many Catholics have genuine relationships with God as well, no thanks to their leadership. But if both Protestants and Catholics can be genuine Christians, then Catholicism isn't true.
You made an incorrect entailment from the concept of infused grace. That somehow this means you possess it... Weird... It's more that when grace is infused into you, you become gracious yourself and the good of God's gifts which are his grace upon you become efficacious in you to bring you into God's glory and to shine out into the world God's loving grace to others.
Again, your works, bud. This doctrine is directly related to your view of God's sovereignty; you like to give yourself credit like God owes you something because you add to your salvation. You're partially man centered...good luck with that 👍
At confession, we are given a penance, but that is to remediate temporal punishment (aka time in purgatory), you don’t have to do it to make reconciliation effective. Reconciliation happens at absolution, there is no “work” needed other than repentance.
There is no reconciliation for the unsaved. When unsaved people confess their sins, whether to God or to a priest, they are not forgiven by God until God converts them to His truth and they then repent of the sins they committed before God gave them the gift of salvation, including the sin of unbelief, when before salvation they believed in a religion which told them to believe what God has either forbidden or not permitted. God isn't interested in penance only repentance. Penance serves no purpose whereas repentance is genuine desire and effort to stop committing sins. God demands repentance not penance. John the Baptist, Jesus and the apostles never told anyone to do penance for their sins to shorten time in purgatory for themselves or for others, but to repent which is a turning away from sin to stop offending God.
One is already restored to a state of grace before the "works of satisfaction"...
The works which are penance are actually a sign of ones desire to love either God or others whom they offended. This is a very natural thing. When you smash something of your friends, you desire to send flowers or a gift or something with your apology. And you always say "this in no way makes up for the suffering I've caused, I just am deeply sorry and it is part of my apology as a sign of my deep sorrow and love for you and our friendship or relationship.
And so the act is a mere extension of the repentant love one feels and has nothing to do with whether you are already forgiven or not. But it is recognised that one who does not have this desire in them to do good out of a first sign of love to regrow what was destroyed, this person likely is not sorry or was never sorry in the first place. There is something broken in their so called repentance. And naturally, if this is true, then they will not be forgiven for they did not repent and turn. Penance is the first steps of turning from ones evil ways. If you didn't take the first step, you haven't truly repented. The whole relationship of penance to repentance is the exact outplaying of he parable of the servant who owed the King. He was forgiven, and then he didn't show signs of his repentance and for his failings in not forgiving others who owed him and so then had his forgiveness of his debt taken back from him.
@Guess Work After the REAL NT Church began at Pentecost....NO Priests absolving sin, then imposing penance for the confessed sins of the penitent
@@shihyuchu6753 There is only one Church established by Christ, the Catholic Church. Jesus established the Sacrament of Confession in John 20:22-23.
It is Jesus Who Saves You..Seek Him. The Blab of men can do nothing for you. When will you people ever learn?
Awesome word, so clear. Thank you! Matt
Wow...
Did you bother to ask what is meant by infusing the grace into a person given that Catholics also describe grace as a gift of goodness from God to man? To have that goodness infused into you or grace infused into you is to say there is an effect of God's grace in the one whom it is poured out upon, i.e in the wine whom a gift of grace is given... This effect producing a goodness within the one receiving which outpours from them into the world... What's the problem?
Your works providing your salvation 😂. Listen please
Why could I never consider becoming a Protestant? Because of what I should be obliged to believe. That Jesus Christ founded a Church. He promised that he would be with it always and that it would never fail. A Protestant must believe that the Church founded by Jesus Christ fizzled out in about a hundred years. That there was no true Christian Church until Martin Luther founded the many not very holy and non apostolic Churches fifteen hundred years later. I should be also obliged to believe that the Bishops who met in Council to define the dogmas of the Trinity and the divinity of Christ got it wrong. That, without the blessings offered by the many not very holy and non apostolic Churches, outside which, Protestants believe, there is no salvation, all were destined to the fires of Hell for fifteen hundred years and that the true way to salvation has only been available for about five hundred years. Well, you believe that, if you like.
So you are lost? Got it
Say what you like about his beliefs, but the man is a great communicator.
It is sad how things can be misconstrued and by doing so, lead others astray. It is important to consider the Bible and the history of the Church in context. Come home to the Universal Church, spread throughout the world.
Universalism is No good at all and No universal because they teach Nothing but Lies and they believe that Hell is Not eternal and they also believe in soul sleeping and it is Not written in the bible at all so explain this! If Hell wasn't eternal punishment then heaven wouldn't be eternal Neither because that's what universalism teaches and they don't believe in the true word of God.
No one cares to join the universal church of satan when they belong to the universal church of God in Christ
I was mind blown when I learned that the Catholic Church denies penal substitutionary atonement. I thought that was the one thing we agreed upon and that Rome just adds the sacraments as requirements to remain saved.
Penal substitution splits the Trinity. Makes no sense.
@@truthnotliesits more like you don’t understand the Trinity or Penal substitution or the scripture for that matter
@@Scribeintheink how can you say you that, actually? You have no authority over me. If the Holy Spirit guides me when I read my Bible and it leads me into all truth, you can say nothing to me.
The pope is not our Father. The priest is not our Father. Stop addressing them as "Father."
It's always interesting to listen to other Christians who don't understand Catholic teaching. If you'd like to learn what Rome teaches, might I suggest going to Rome (not literally).
All the result of the loss of Holy Orders starting with Luther...
I have read books by those who belong to the church of Rome, (Scott Hahn and others) and they basically affirm what Sproul says.
Instead of walking to Rome, rather walk with the Lord.
@@philipdeklerk325 yeah walk with the Lord in his church for he said “he who listens to you listens to me” and on matters of dispute he said “go tell the church.” He also said to the church “whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.”
I don’t need to walk any further than my night stand . He gave us the word of God . The Bible . Not the council of Trent our the arrogant pompous piety of Vatican City . What kind of Fool
Am I ? I spent 21 years of my life up to my neck in the lies of the Catholic Church . I know exactly what Truth is , I met him in 1982 in A barracks while serving in the Air Force . His name is Jesus Christ !
The problem with reformation and luther is that they use words weirdly and won't ask what the Catholics mean by their words. Merely ask what doesn't make sense and then you will see the linguistic problem and your openness to truth will make yours we that Catholicism is the truest pursuit of Christ there is.
Ok...what are GRACES?
Now this is True bible teaching.
The Catholic Church publishes it's official teaching freely online for everyone to view. So why do you think RC Sproul made so many mistakes? Carelessness? Or Malice?
Jesus said to pray to him only to be forgiven god gave Jesus the power can't get to god except throw Jesus Christ..
Jesus did not say that. Jesus gave the Apostles the power to forgive or retain sins in John 20:22-23.
Wibisono hartono.....when God looks at a believer who has accepted His salvation through Christ alone ,of course He sees His son and not the corrupt sinner,( but a sign of a true believer is when God disciplines him!) ..... He cannot look upon sin ,but to say that a believer never sins is false teaching!.... as a Christian will only be perfect in heaven,not on earth!...scripure tells us that if you say you have no sin you make God a liar!... ,that s why we are being sanctified.....,you are limiting the power of the blood of Christ !....,who was sacrificed once only!Amen!.....and any true believer ,of course is not happy with sin as it hurts our relationship with God thru Jesus,but to say you have no sin is false and implies a self righteous attitude !
He is actually false about penance. The church teaches that the person's sins are forgiven at absolution by the priest. This is before any penance is performed by the penitent.
And condign merit is God giving us His grace because He promised it, not because we earned it.
If you do anything at all to get God’s grace, you are by definition earning it
@Scribeintheink What about believing on Jesus and repenting? That's necessary to recieve God's grace. Would you say that one has earned God's grace in this way? I wouldn't
I was raised Catholic, and I felt that Protestant is a good description.I protest against the false doctrine that I was subjected to.
A German man we once knew said it came from 'pro testamentum' i.e. for the testimony (of Jesus Christ). Puts a more positive aspect to it.
... isn't a precious gift that our Lord, Creator of everthing; granted us Free Agency? Without Free Agency, we are no more than the animals that were created also. By his Love and Grace he respects your choice (s). "By your own hand" ... ;-) ...
@@remalm3670, that statement does not make sense. You sound like you are trying to be intellectual but you are not.
@@Bibliotechno, you need to expand on your story to get your point across.
@@elizabethdurbin3255 ... never said I was an "Intellectual", never wanted to be "Intellectual" ... they have not a clue ...
Ligonier is the only ministry that does justice by the Roman Catholic Church and confronts them on the actual doctrine they hold. This level of transparency about the doctrine would make many priests squirm.. which just goes to show the great strides the reformation has accomplished.. Rome on paper has stayed.. but in practice, has definitely changed and shifted to be more Protestant. Pope Benedict proved that when he said Luther was right.. and sent the catholic apologists scrambling to lawyer themselves around that.
No, Sproul got almost everything wrong about what we believe.
Yeah, he either doesn't know Catholic doctrine well enough to articulate it fairly, or he's just being unfair. Not impressed with this at all. Knowing Catholic terms is not the same as knowing Catholicism
@@shamuscrawfordI doubt you know what you are talking about. You act like we haven’t read through and studied your catechism
@@tylerrossjclso is the way of Satan’s children… making excuses continuously to justify their sin
You see JUSTIFICATION is spelled out in the Bible.
There is no such thing as the Roman Catholic JUSTIFICATION.
We are called Christians in the Biok of Acts.
See people need to follow the WORD OF GOD and not the doctrines of men like
in Catholicism.
There is none righteous. That is why Jesus the righteous came and became sin for us that we would be righteous in him.
There are no SACRAMENTS in the Bible.
Catholicism teaches doctrines of men that the Bible says we should stay away from.
The Bible teaches us to repent and be baptized........
We are under grace and faith.
Looking unto JESUS the Author And Finisher of our FAITH.
The Bible does not say look unto Mary.
We are to follow the word of God not denominations.
People need to stop leading people astray.
There is no mortal sin in the Bible.
Sin is SIN.
You see the Bible says not to add to the word of God.
Rome and the Catholic Pope needs to REPENT.
Read your Bible and don't be led away by people or Catholic doctrines that speak on things not even in the Bible.
Doctrines of men are taught to control you.
The Preist cannot absolve anyone. They cannot even absolve themselves.
Praise the Lord and keep Jesus in your heart and soul and live a holy life.
I'm waiting for him to mention any Bible verses that will supports his explanation.
The purpose of this video is purely a comparison of the two views. If you would like to see his Biblical support for the Reformed position and that of the early Church Fathers such as Augustine, he has many videos that explain the Biblical support for it.
Read the Pauline epistles, especially Romans and Galatians.
It’s funny because Rome hardly ever uses verses to support their absurd man made doctrine. If the magisterium can infallibly interpret scripture, why haven’t they given us a total and complete interpretation of the Bible? What’s taking so long?
@@KnightFel There are literally thousands of years worth of biblical interpretation documented and full of biblical citations. Maybe you should have done a quick google search before typing this comment haha. You could start with the Summa Theologiae - it is 1.5 million words long and describes the Catholic interpretation of Sacred Scripture in quite some detail!!!
I have yet to find a Catholic who can explain the concept of superogatory works without saying we deserve our salvation at that point.
I can answer that for you. I am protestant converting to Catholicism. Catholics believe than when you are regenerated by the grace of God (you do nothing to deserve this) God infuses the gift of charity (or love) which makes it possible for you to do good works. As Paul says in Philippians 2:12-13 "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed-not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence-continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."
So Catholic's believe that when we do good works it is God working in us and through us. And Catholics believe that all of this that I just mentioned was merited by and made possible by the work of Jesus.
Council of Trent, Session VI, Chapter VII says
"Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross"
Hope this clears things up, have a great day!
My sources:
www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a7.htm
www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch6.htm
@@brycemitchell6343 kinda weird to quote the council of trent when the Word of God says the same thing in Romans 5:8, but your choice of preference for man made articles from ecumenical councils seems to show why you would lean towards leaving for a works based religion. I'll be praying for you! Anyways protestants affirm God regenerates us no Christian believes they save themselves but catholicism is a synergistic system. You said Christ came to make it "possible" for you to do these good works, no Christ came to seek and save the lost. He redeems us and we are without condemnation, we don't add our works with his work on the cross towards our salvation, nowhere is that taught in scripture. Jesus last words on the cross were "Tetelestai" = "It is Finished" what is finished? John 17:4 he has accomplished the Father's will to that all who BELIEVE will have eternal life. Man there's so much more I wish I could share with you but please do a deep dive into the man made Roman Catholicism it is an apostate body please see what the church actually teaches, look at it objectively. But remember friend a church doesn't save, a denomination doesn't save, Jesus and Jesus alone saves. Everything you just posted protestants affirm so why would you leave for a works based religion?
@@jdubb6557 as an Eastern Orthodox, I can tell you: I HAVE looked at this objectively, and the Bible definitely doesn't teach that all we need is a mental consent to truth in order to be saved.
@@brycemitchell6343This is a really good answer! Well done on be able to spread the truth about our faith.
I've come to believe I am nowhere near righteous enough to say Catholics are lost or protestants are lost. I do believe issues arise when you don't look to Christ and stay rigid in your belief. Read the Bible. Pray and perhaps the Holy Spirit Will open your eyes.
False humility and self righteousness is not a healthy way to go
Perfect
This is hogwash. Any believer can see the clear distinction - the catholics believed that forgiveness came through works and Protestants that it's free. Free forgiveness without having to do anything, including confession.
Um, for a guy who uses the word hogwash you don’t get anything correct
@@3leon306 Thank you for that vague comment.
@@metalcomposition a diplomatic way of saying you have no idea what you’re talking about relative to 2000 years of Catholic Church history
@@3leon306 Essentially he is saying that it's all relative and that there wasn't really a reformation at all. Sounds all intellectual and sophisticated, but it comes from indifference to what most of protestantism knows is true about the radical transition from Roman Catholicism. It was radical and it did restore the Truth of Jesus Christ.
One Faith, one Lord, one Baptism....protestantism can't àgree amongst each other and so they have 60,000 different denominations ...and all deny the real presences of Jesus in the Lord's supper...only one has been doing it since day 1...the Church with Bishops, deacons, and priests...
1: There are only 250 or so major denominations
2: almost all of them agree on every essential doctrine.
3: agreeing on heresy doesn’t make you right
4: it is far from honest to pretend that Roman catholics are fully united. They themselves are a schism from older churches.
Don't you love when Nestorians try to school Christ's Church? Fascinating!
You mean Constantine's church.
@@bcm1621 Constantine church? Dont tell me you still believe in that myth. That claim has already been debunked...
But please elaborate what you mean by Constantine church?
just spit it out dude
Nestorian? RC isn’t Nestorian as far as I know, is he?
RC isnt a Nestorian. Also the roman catholic church teaches im going to hell for believing that ive been saved solely by grace through faith. Yet someone whos never heard of Christ can still be saved, see Lumen Gentium 16.
ON JUSTIFICATION
CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works,
whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace
of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.
CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for
this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free
will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let
him be anathema.
CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost,
and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that
the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.
[Page 45] CANON IV.-If any one saith, that man's free will moved and excited by God,
by assenting to God exciting and calling, nowise co-operates towards disposing and
preparing itself for obtaining the grace of Justification; that it cannot refuse its consent, if
it would, but that, as something inanimate, it does nothing whatever and is merely
passive; let him be anathema.
CANON V.-If any one saith, that, since Adam's sin, the free will of man is lost and
extinguished; or, that it is a thing with only a name, yea a name without a reality, a
figment, in fine, introduced into the Church by Satan; let him be anathema.
CANON VI.-If any one saith, that it is not in man's power to make his ways evil, but that
the works that are evil God worketh as well as those that are good, not permissively only,
but properly, and of Himself, in such wise that the treason of Judas is no less His own
proper work than the vocation of Paul; let him be anathema.
CANON VII.-If any one saith, that all works done before Justification, in whatsoever way
they be done, are truly sins, or merit the hatred of God; or that the more earnestly one
strives to dispose himself for grace, the more grievously he sins: let him be anathema.
CANON VIII.-If any one saith, that the fear of hell,-whereby, by grieving for our sins, we
flee unto the mercy of God, or refrain from sinning,-is a sin, or makes sinners worse; let
him be anathema.
CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as
to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by
the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.
CANON X.-If any one saith, that men are just without the justice of Christ, whereby He
merited for us to be justified; or that it is by that justice itself that they are formally just;
let him be anathema.
[Page 46] CANON XI.-If any one saith, that men are justified, either by the sole
imputation of the justice of Christ, or by the sole remission of sins, to the exclusion of the
grace and the charity which is poured forth in their hearts by the Holy Ghost, and is
inherent in them; or even that the grace, whereby we are justified, is only the favour of
God; let him be anathema.
CANON XII.-If any one saith, that justifying faith is nothing else but confidence in the
divine mercy which remits sins for Christ's sake; or, that this confidence alone is that
whereby we are justified; let him be anathema.
CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that it is necessary for every one, for the obtaining the
remission of sins, that he believe for certain, and without any wavering arising from his
own infirmity and disposition, that his sins are forgiven him; let him be anathema.
CANON XIV.-If any one saith, that man is truly absolved from his sins and justified,
because that he assuredly believed himself absolved and justified; or, that no one is truly
justified but he who believes himself justified; and that, by this faith alone, absolution and
justification are effected; let him be anathema.
CANON XV.-If any one saith, that a man, who is born again and justified, is bound of
faith to believe that he is assuredly in the number of the predestinate; let him be
anathema.
CANON XVI.-If any one saith, that he will for certain, of an absolute and infallible
certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he have learned this by
special revelation; let him be anathema.
CANON XVII.-If any one saith, that the grace of Justification is only attained to by those
who are predestined unto life; but that all others who are called, are called indeed, but
receive not grace, as being, by the divine power, predestined unto evil; let him be
anathema.
CANON XVIII.-If any one saith, that the commandments of God are, even for one that is
justified and constituted in grace, impossible to keep; let him be anathema.
[Page 47] CANON XIX.-If any one saith, that nothing besides faith is commanded in the
Gospel; that other things are indifferent, neither commanded nor prohibited, but free; or,
that the ten commandments nowise appertain to Christians; let him be anathema. CANON XX.-If any one saith, that the man who is justified and how perfect soever, is not
bound to observe the commandments of God and of the Church, but only to believe; as if
indeed the Gospel were a bare and absolute promise of eternal life, without the condition
of observing the commandments ; let him be anathema.
CANON XXI.-If any one saith, that Christ Jesus was given of God to men, as a redeemer
in whom to trust, and not also as a legislator whom to obey; let him be anathema.
CANON XXII.-If any one saith, that the justified, either is able to persevere, without the
special help of God, in the justice received; or that, with that help, he is not able; let him
be anathema.
CANON XXIII.-lf any one saith, that a man once justified can sin no more, nor lose
grace, and that therefore he that falls and sins was never truly justified; or, on the other
hand, that he is able, during his whole life, to avoid all sins, even those that are venial,-
except by a special privilege from God, as the Church holds in regard of the Blessed
Virgin; let him be anathema.
CANON XXIV.-If any one saith, that the justice received is not preserved and also
increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits
and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be
anathema.
CANON XXV.-If any one saith, that, in every good work, the just sins venially at least,
or-which is more intolerable still-mortally, and consequently deserves eternal
punishments; and that for this cause only he is not damned, that God does not impute
those works unto damnation; let him be anathema.
CANON XXVI.-If any one saith, that the just ought not, for their good works done in
God, to expect and hope for an eternal recompense from God, through His mercy and the
merit of Jesus Christ, if so be that they persevere to the end in well [Page 48] doing and in
keeping the divine commandments; let him be anathema.
CANON XXVII.-If any one saith, that there is no mortal sin but that of infidelity; or, that
grace once received is not lost by any other sin, however grievous and enormous, save by
that of infidelity ; let him be anathema.
CANON XXVIII.-If any one saith, that, grace being lost through sin, faith also is always
lost with it; or, that the faith which remains, though it be not a lively faith, is not a true
faith; or, that he, who has faith without charity, is not a Chris taught; let him be anathema.
CANON XXIX.-If any one saith, that he, who has fallen after baptism, is not able by the
grace of God to rise again; or, that he is able indeed to recover the justice which he has
lost, but by faith alone without the sacrament of Penance, contrary to what the holy
Roman and universal Church-instructed by Christ and his Apostles-has hitherto professed, observed, and taugh; let him be anathema.
CANON XXX.-If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to
every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted
out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged
either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of
heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.
CANON XXXI.-If any one saith, that the justified sins when he performs good works
with a view to an eternal recompense; let him be anathema.
CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such
manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified;
or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God
and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose [Page 49] living member he is, does not truly merit
increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however,
that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.
CANON XXXIII.-If any one saith,that,by the Catholic doctrine touching Justification, by
this holy Synod inset forth in this present decree, the glory of God, or the merits of our
Lord Jesus Christ are in any way derogated from, and not rather that the truth of our faith,
and the glory in fine of God and of Jesus Christ are rendered (more) illustrious; let him be
anathema.
Cannon don’t mean squat ! That’s for Catholics who believe that Hog Wash ! You wasted effort writing that. useless mess
@@douggauzy6258 Ok, but I didn't waste much time I copy and pasted
Foolish question, why are you all here learning about Catholicism from a man who is not Catholic and rejects the Catholic view of justification?
If you want to learn about Christ’s Church, go to a Catholic presentation and learn it from there.
This is like watching a video produced by a Democrat about Republicans or visa versa.
3:58 A good example here. Catholics believe that Justification is a process which occurs throughout one’s life. As we live our life’s in Christ, we are not only justified, but we grow in holiness or sanctification. This is very biblical and historical.
All the Vatican 2 catholics say it's too confusing, I don't understand it's confusing ! Or the mass is enough, no, it's not enough. You must have the true Catholic faith.
There is nothing confusing about it !!!
Pope Gregory the 16th 1831 let nothing of the truths that have been defined, it be lessened, nothing altered nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in the word and then meaning.
Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4 part 13 and 14 EX cathedra -- for the doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence but as a Divine deposit committed to the spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext or in the name of a more profound understanding.
Pope Pius the 10th syllabus condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous.
St John of the Cross 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel.
St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated.
Pope Eugene the fourth Council of Florence Session 8 1439 ex cathedra whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally.
Popplio 13th 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium.
Council Florence session 11 February 4th 1442 ex cathedra the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views.
Popplio the 10th 5th lateran Council session 8th 1513 EX cathedra and since truth cannot conjure the truth we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time this sewing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic faith.
Saint Athanasius God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same
Pope Pius the 9th, qui Pluribus I'm faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20 never cease to instruct all men in it never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this faith. What the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic church outside of which there is no salvation
Pope Saints sixtus 3 nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines
St Vincent of Lerins 445, all novelty in faith is ashore Mark of heresy Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized.
There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics, I'll say that again there is no confusion for the true Catholics the teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a father in Heaven !!!
Why do you heretics make such long comments?
@@Scribeintheink What all the SAINTS say “No Salvation outside the Chtholic church.”
Pope St. Clement the first 88-97 A.D. heretical teachers pervert the scriptures and bibles and tried to get into heaven with false Bibles, for they have formed their human assemblies later then the Catholic Church. From this previously existing and most true Catholic Church, it is very clear that these later heresies Heretics and others which have come into being since then, are counterfeit and novel inventions.
St. Ignatius of Antioch a disciple of St Peter and St Paul died 107 A.D.
For as many as are of God and of Jesus Christ are also with the Bishop. And as many as shall, in the “exercise of repentance” return into the unity of the Catholic Church, these, too, shall belong to God, that day may live according To Jesus Christ. Do not error, and sin, my brethren. If any man follows him that makes a schism in the Catholic church he shall not inherit the kingdom of God if anyone walks according to a strange opinion, he agrees not with the passion of Christ.
Saint Irenaeus, died 202 A.D. - the Catholic church is the entrance to life all others are thieves, and robbers, and Heretics. On this account we are bound to avoid them… We hear it declared of the unbelieving and the blinded of this world that they should not inherit the world of life, which is to come.. Resist them in defense of the only true and Life Giving Catholic faith, which the church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons. (against heresies book 3).
Saint Cyrian, died 258 A.D. - he who has turned his back on the Catholic Church of Christ shall not come to the rewards of Christ he is an alien a worldling, an enemy and heretic. You cannot have God for your father if you have not the Catholic Church or your mother our Lord warns us when he says “ he that is not with me is against me and he that gatherth not with me scatters” whosoever breaks the peace and Harmony of Christ acts against Christ whoever gathers elsewhere then the Catholic Church scatters the Church of Christ.” ( Unity of the Catholic Church)
Saint Irenaeus, against heresies book for chapter 41 A.D. 180 - those who do not obey him being disinherited by him have cease to be his sons wherefore they cannot receive his inheritance he who does not hold this Unity does not hold the law of God does not hold the Catholic faith of the father and the son does not hold life and salvation.
Bishop Firmilean, died 269 A.D.-- what is the greatness of his error, and what the depth of his blindness, who says that remission of sins can be granted in the synagogues of Heretics, and does not abide on the foundation of the one true Catholic Church.
Lactantius,died 310 A.D. - It is the Catholic Church “alone” which retains true worship !! This is the Fountain of Truth. This is the abode of the faith, this is the temple of God; and none other, into which if anyone shall not enter or from which, if anyone shall go out, he is a stranger to the hope of life and eternal salvation. ( the Divine Institutes)
Saint Cyril of Jerusalem died 386 A.D. - Abhor all Heretics.. heed not their fair speaking or their mock humility; for they are serpents, a “brood of vipers” Remember that, when Judas said “Hail Rabbi,” the salutation was an act of betrayal. Do not be deceived by “the kiss” but Beware of the venom. Abhor such men, therefore, and shun the blasphemers of the Holy Spirit, for whom there is no pardon. For what Fellowship have you with men without hope. Let us confidently say to God regarding all Heretics, “Did I not hate, O Lord, those who hate Thee, and did I not Pine away because of your enemies ?!! For there is an enmity that is laudable, as it is written, “I will put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed.” Friendship with the serpent produces enmity with God, and death. Let us shun those from whom God turns away.( the fathers of the church)
Saint John Chrysostom doctor of the church died 407 A.D. - We know that salvation belongs to the Catholic Church “alone” and that no one can partake of Christ nor be saved outside the Catholic Church and the Catholic faith. (De Capto Eutropia)
Saint Jerome, died 4/20 A.D. - As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Catholic Church is built… This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it Shall Perish when the flood prevails… and as for Heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the church's enemies are also my enemies.(Manual of Patrology and history of theology)
Saint Bede the venerable died 7:35 A.D. - Just as all within the ark were saved and all outside of it were carried away when the flood came, so when all who are pre-ordained to eternal life have entered the Catholic Church, the end of the world will come and all will perish who are found outside of it.(Hexaemeron)
Saint Thomas Aquinas died 1274 A.D. - There is no entering into salvation outside the Catholic Church just as in the time of the deluge there was none outside the ark which denotes the Catholic Church.
Blessed Peter Canisius died 1597 A.D.- Outside of this communion with the Catholic Church - as outside of the Ark of Noah - there is absolutely no salvation for Mortals : Not for Jews or pagans who never received the faith of the Catholic Church, Nor for Heretics who, having received it, corrupted
it !! Neither for the excommunicated or those who for any other serious cause deserve to be put away and separated from the body of the Catholic Church like pernicious members… for the rule of Cyprian and Augustine is certain : he will not have God for his father who would not have the church for his mother. (Catechismi Latini et Germanici)
Venable robber to Bellarmine died 1621 A.D. - Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation… I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the Forgiveness of sins… For this reason the Catholic church is compared with the Ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those Parish who are not in the Catholic Church. (De Sacramento Baptism)
St. John Marie Vinny died 1859 A.D. - My children, why are there no sacraments in other religions ? because there is no salvation
there !! We have the sacraments at our disposal because we belong to the true religion of salvation the Catholic Church.
Athanasius Creed, 370 A.D. - Whoever wishes to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic faith, and no other, which unless each one preserves whole and inviolate, without doubt he will perish everlastingly, this is the Catholic faith which unless Each One Believes faithfully and firmly he cannot be saved.
Source from “God's Catholic Dogma” web site. Section 9 and section 2
What the POPES say about Change !!!!
You must have the true Traditional Catholic Faith.
There is nothing Confusing about this !!!
Pope Eugene IV, Council Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441 : therefore the Catholic Church condemns Rejects excommunicates and declares to be outside the body of Christ which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views.
Pope Pelagius II, Quod ad dilectionem, 585:
If anyone however either suggests or believes or presumes to teach contrary to this faith, let him know that he is Condemned and also anathematized, excommunicated, according to the opinion of the Fathers..
Pope Eugene IV, Council Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441 : therefore the Catholic Church condemns Rejects excommunicates and declares to be outside the body of Christ which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views.
Pope Pelagius II, Quod ad dilectionem, 585:
If anyone however either suggests or believes or presumes to teach contrary to this Faith, let him know that he is Condemned and also anathematized, excommunicated, according to the opinion of the same Fathers.
Pope Gregory 16th, 1831 - 1846 : let nothing of the truths, that have been defined be lessened, nothing altered, nothing added, but let them be preserved intact in word and meaning !!
Vatican Council of 1870 session 3 chapter 4, part 13 and 14 EX Cathedra -- for the doctrine of the Faith which God has revealed, is put forward not as some philosophical Discovery capable of being perfected by human intelligence, but as a Divine Deposit committed to the Spouse of Christ to be Faithfully protected and infallibly promulgated, hence to that meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by Holy Mother Church, and there must never be any abandonment of this sense under the pretext, or in the name of a more profound understanding.
Pope Leo 13 - Satis Cognitum # 13, 1896. You are not to be looked upon as holding the true Catholic faith if you do not teach the Faith of Rome is to be held.
Pope Pius10th syllabus, condemning the errors of the modernists 1907 article 62 : the proposition the chief articles of the Apostles Creed did not have the same sense for the Christians of the first stages as they have for the Christians of our time is hereby condemned as erroneous.
St John of the Cross, 1591 wherefore if there be revealed to us anything new or different we must in no way give consent to it not even though it were spoken by an Angel.
St. Thomas Aquinas doctor of the church 1274 all those who deny one Article of Faith regardless of their reason are by that very fact excommunicated.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence Session 8, 1439 - Ex Cathedra - Whoever Wills to be saved before all things it is necessary that he holds the Catholic Faith. Unless a person keeps this Faith whole and undefiled without doubt He Shall Perish eternally.
Pope Leo 13th, 1896 the practice of the church has always been the same as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers who were want to hold as outside Catholic communion and alien to the church whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of Doctrine proposed by her authoritative magisterium.
Council Florence session 11 February 4th, 1442; Ex Cathedra; the Holy Roman Church condemns reproves anathematize has and declares to be outside the body of church which is the Catholic Church whoever holds opposing or contrary views.
Pope Saint Leo the Great, Doctor of the Church, 440- 461 A.D. - the faith shall never vary in any age for one is the faith which justifies the just of all ages it is unlawful to differ even by a single word from Apostolic Doctrine.
Pope Leo 10th, 5th lateran Council, session 8th, 1513 Ex Cathedra, and since truth cannot contradict the truth, we Define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the Faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted, we decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this time, thus sowing heresies which are wholly condemned should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious Heretics and infidels who are undermining the Catholic Faith.
Saint Athanasius,died 373 AD. God's word is one and the same in the doors forever unchanged always the same.
Pope Pius 9th, Qui Pluribus I'm, faith and religion November 9th 1846 paragraph 20, Never Cease to instruct all men in it, never tolerating and letting pass anyting which could in the slightest degree defiled the purity of this Faith !!! With the same great strength of Mind Foster and all men their Unity with the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation.
Pope Saints Sixtus, 3,432 A.D. Nothing new is to be allowed for nothing can be added to the old look for the faith of the elders and do not let our faith be disturbed by a mixture of new doctrines.
St Vincent of Lerins, 445 A.D., all novelty in Faith is a sure Mark of heresy. Saint Paul Cried Out aloud again and again to all men to all times and to all places that if anyone announces a new doctrine let him be anathematized excommunicated.
Ecclesiastics 18:5 - Nothing maybe taken away or added.
Pope Pius X, 1903-1914 A.D., Oath against Modernism - And so I retain most firmly the faith of the Fathers and shall retain it until the final Breath of Life !! Regarding the certain Gifts of Truth, which is, was and will, always be, in the succession of the episcopacy, from the Apostles, But not so that what may seem better and more fitting according to each one's period of culture, may be held, but so that the absolute and immutable truth preached by the apostles from the beginning may never be believed otherwise, may never be understood otherwise !!!
Galatians 1:8 - but though we are an angel from heaven preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you let him be anathema excommunicated from the church
Proverbs 30:6, add nothing to his words lest you be reproved and found a liar.
St Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the church died 1274 A.D - Our faith is identical with that of the ancients. Deny this and you dissolve the unity of the church !! we must hold this for certain that the Faith of the people at the present day is one with the Faith of the people of past centuries !!! were this not true then we would be in a different Church then they and literally the church would not be one !!!
Saint Cyril of Alexandria, Doctor of the church died 444, A.D. - for it is not allowable for anyone to change even one word, nor allow one syllable to be passed over mindful of the saying : past not beyond the ancient bounds which thy fathers have set !!!
If there is a change YOU ARE NOT TO SUPPORT IT OR embrace it IN ANY WAY !!!
There is no confusion unless you're a heretic and belong to the vatican 2 fake church, there is no confusion for true Catholics.The teachings of the church are simple and clear. Nothing is to be changed !!!!! Nothing !!! If you disagree with this your excommunicated from the church you no longer are Catholic you no longer have a Father in Heaven or a Mother !!!!
For Teachings on a Traditional Catholic Church see “the Most Holy Family Monastery” on their website by the diamond Brothers.
She also “God's Catholic dogma” on the website.
These are the only two places in the entire world you can go to for traditional Catholic teachings.
Warning do not ask the opinion of any “Vatican 2 priests” they hate with a passion these two websites, they are sworn enemies. Because the Most Holy Family Monastery and God's Catholic dogma websites expose the Vatican II church for all its evils. Do your own research.
Sproul makes his living spreading his anti-Catholic lies but does not have the courage to debate any Catholic apologist. Hmmm
He doesn’t need to. The Bible condemns them well enough. God doesn’t need to defeat what is already defeated
Catholic Christian church Divine Retreat UK is going on everyday . and also in india TABOUR retreat center in kerala pls watch
Sproul's understanding of mortal sin upto the 13th or 14th minute even when he quotes Calvin on this issue is easily refuted by our Lord Himself in Matthew 5:21-22. So our Lord gives confirmation that the Catholic Church which He established is right on this issue and that Luther, Calvin and even Sproul are wrong over here.
Read Ephesians 2:8-10 carefully.
Matthew is to the House of Israel . Matthew 15:24 Matthew , Acts , Hebrews are transitional books of the Bible . Rightly divide the word of truth . 2 Timothy 2 :15
The New Testament church preceeded Catholicism by five centuries!
The doctrine of the New Testament church is “The New Testament.”
She is “the church of Christ.”
R.C the real argument is not Paul v James, the real argument is Jesus v Paul!!!!! Martin luther can kick James out of scripture but not JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James’ words are just as authoritative as Jesus’ and neither of them contradict the other
The scriptures command baptism and are clear that change occurs ... The Roman Catholic Church is simply reading scripture ... this guy with the chalkboard is obfuscating and slandering, period
Citations would be appreciated.
@@douglasmcnay644 ... perhaps find a place in Romans or Ephesians (just as examples) that point to Baptism as a mere sign? It clearly creates a new person ... a new person in Christ as Paul asserts in Ephesians. it’s a mystery, yes, as Paul asserts. But it serves in place of circumcision and is a requisite for Paul as he tries to convince the Judaizers that their works of the law (specifically circumcision) doesn’t accomplish anything. the burden of proof is on the Protestant who argues that scripture doesn’t point to a real change occurring. Sproul in his rhetoric mixes a priori antipathy toward Catholicism with exegesis. In essence, 50% of what he says = “recall that we despise Rome.” yes, we are NOT a passive pawns who simply assent to God. God calls us to Love and Charity (Romans) and throughout scripture were are directed to become new creatures. And we can lose our salvation through apostasy (Hebrews 6) ... the wages of sin is death and we will endure a final judgment. Luther was taught by Occam (an arch heretic) who placed God on the same ontological map as His creatures ... yes, we can lose salvation and we are not in competition with God. our cooperation does not detract from God’s sovereignty
It is by WORKS and NOT BY FAITH ALONE that we are JUSTIFIED, for even if one has ALL FAITH, but does not LOVE, IT IS USELESS! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
Thank you for this video. The more I listened to this man, the more I realized the authenticity & validity of the Roman Catholic Church. No wonder so many variations of the Protestant faith, each leader has his own interpretation of the scripture, thus confusing the faithful.
At least most Protestant churches do in fact teach the true gospel that saves. The Roman Catholic church does not. They teach a false and fatal gospel that add works, sacraments, the intercession of a human priest, and the intercession of a false deity called Mary. Lastly, the faithful are those who put their complete faith in Christ alone, not in the Roman Catholic church, it's sacraments, it's traditions, it's so-called "infallible" Popes or any other such nonsense. Only Jesus saves.
Rome severed herself from catholicity with the anathematization of the gospel at Trent. I invite all in communion with the Roman pontiff to repent before they perish.
@@theextreme7134 Indeed only Jesus saves! The Catholic Church teaches that we are indeed saved by grace, through faith and that it is indeed a free gift from God. We cannot work our way into Heaven. Fruits of our faith (after we are saved) are our works. Sacraments are all Biblical, and especially Baptism and the Eucharist, both given to us by Christ Himself. Mary is not a deity, only God is. She is a blessed woman who was chosen by God to bear the Messiah and as such, she is respected and loved - but never worshipped. Popes are only infallible when they speak ex-cathedra and only on matters of faith and morals. If you are going to criticise the Catholic Church, fair enough but you should at least, get the facts right first.
@@clivejames5058 If you are a true Christian please tell me your testimony. What happened when you received the Holy Spirit?? What changed?? How does it teach you?? What does it reveal?? What gifts of the Spirit did you receive?? And how do you use those gifts to serve God and build up the body of Christ?? I still have never met a Catholic who can answer those questions, I hope you will be the first.
@@theextreme7134 I was born (and baptised) into a Protestant family. I envied the deep faith of a Catholic friend and asked her many questions including "how can my faith be as deep as yours?". She told me to pray for the gift of the Holy Spirit (as well as answering other questions). About 18 months later, after I converted to Catholicism. I genuinely and deeply felt the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit in my life (as per St Thomas Aquinas) and never doubted again. They were wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety as well as reverence and love of God. I use all to serve God, increase my holiness and build up the body of Christ and they enable me to transcend the limitations of human reason and human nature and participate in the very life of God, as Christ promised (John 14:23)
Not quite an accurate understanding of Catholic doctrine, but ok.
Sure it isn’t buddy.
@@Scribeintheink 😂
It’s so easy to see that the Catholic Church is the true church of Christ if you just look at church history from an unbiased point of view. Also if you do your unbiased research on Martin Luther and the things he did and said. It’s quiet simple really. You are majorly deceived if you believe faith alone doctrine. James chapter 2 verse 24 you see a man is justified by works and NOT by faith alone. Please do your research, do it well. Buy a translation of the Bible older than the king James. They literally changed that bible and added words and removed sentences to fit there doctrine. If you buy a duay rhemies bible. Which is translated straight from the Latin vulgate which is as old as the 300s. You will see how much they changed it. It’s quiet disturbing. I hope you all come to the true church of Christ that can trace its lineage all the way back to the apostles. The Catholic Church. Also, one more thing, so your telling me for 1500 years all those Christian’s were wrong until Martin Luther came along five hundred years ago and got the true doctrine? Give me a break. The man was a literal monster. Just do your research on the things he said and did and not just from Protestant sources that try to make sense of what he did and justify it. Your world view just might be destroyed
Yes it is!! If you are a spiritually dead, uprooted child of satan
As a former Protestant; I’ll make a deal with Protestants. I will renounce Catholicism, and return to my Reformed theological roots, IF you can find me, simply, 3 little things…
1: a single passage that states, we are saved, by faith ALONE.
2:a single passage that claims, scripture ALONE.
3: a single passage, that tells us which books are to be included, in the Bible.
Shouldn’t be too hard. 🤔
Romans 3:28 "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." Faith alone. 2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," Therefore we can judge other things, including church traition, by the bible.
@@RavensStarryNight
1. "works of the law" are different than "works of love."
2. Where in that passage does it tell you which books of the Bible are Scripture?
@@merecatholicity 1. That is a irrelevant statement. I literally proved to you that we are saved by faith alone. Want more proof? Ephesians 2 2:8-9 "8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast."
2. All of the old testament is scripture because the apostle Paul and Jesus sites them. The new testament we can know by seeing which of them were written by the apostles and which were accepted by the early churches. Peter even talks about Paul's writings in his own letters.
@Michael Fox ???What about it? Try what again? Need more explanation
@Michael Fox 2 Timothy 3:16
"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"
So what if they aren't mentioned in the NT? Is there a rule you need to mention all 39 books of the OT?
The very concept of "initial justification" is utterly foreign from Scripture
grace doesn't require full assent otherwise those that are dying, invalid, paralyzed, or other maladys are impossible to save. god can justify a person even without them knowing as no one has full assurance that they are saved
There is no merit in work.
God shows his mercy and blessings on whom he will.
The problem is the Pope and the Papacy has put themselves as God. They want people to think they have the authority over their lives, they don't.
Proof of your statement?
"There is no merit in work."
Easily proven false by reading the parables of Jesus.
@@MillionthUsername We walk by FAITH and not by SIGHT.
@@noahgaming8833 Proof of my statement is tell me where in the Bible does it say the word
"Catholicism"?
Let me know!
@@chesterjade7630 where does it say everything must be in the Bible?
Justification comes AFTER sanctification!! This is not, and has never been, the teaching of the Catholic Church. If the speaker can’t even get this much right, it’s hard to have much confidence in anything else he might have to say.
@GerardNCasey: please stop idol worshipping: to Mary, to saints, to pictures, to stone-made images, to popes, to priests...
I used to watch RC sproul and became a calvanist, now im a Catholic. God saved me from Protestantism and their heresies.
Okay, 5 minutes in and I’m already disappointed. I grew up listening to literally thousands of hours of sproul/ligionier sermons and lectures. Sproul here wants us to believe that the idea of infused righteousness is a Latin development when it was also propounded by the Greek church as well. So, what he’s doing here is creating in the listener (who doesn’t know any better), the idea that the early church misunderstood justification because they didn’t consult the original Greek. Completely false and it’s awful to think God allowed his church to be in the dark on justification for 1500 years until a German monk set em straight.
You are an idiot
The relationship with God (Justification) is immediately restored in a good confession when the Priest gives absolution irrespective if the penitent completes the penance the Priest gives the penitent. The wound on one’s nature can be healed only in a longer process. The penance given by the Priest has the goal of “ helping the relationship of the person with himself, and the world. And so penance is one of four elements of a good confession along with contrition, confession and absolution. Sin injures and the sinner himself, as well as his relationship with God and neighbor. For the sinner to recover his spiritual health he must make amens for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for’ or ‘expiates’ his sins. The penance the Priest gives may only be a token of the restitution God may require for our sins to be fully satisfied and if we fail to accomplish the full satisfaction Gods justice may require, we will have to make full restitution in the next life I.e. Purgatory. But remember all in Purgatory are on their way to heaven, but not any second salvation opportunity. Also the CatholicChurch also has a corporate act of confession of venial sins which takes place at the beginning of every Mass.
This preacher is not properly informed about Catholic teachings and doctrines. Everyone who desires to negate another faith should learn thoroughly about the other teachings before refuting.
As a general rule Reformed pastors/leaders are misinformed and greatly misunderstand Catholic teaching. In my experience their view of Catholic teaching comes from Protestant sources. Go figure.
No homework done. Almost everything is fabricated and or stereotypical beliefs that people believe about Roman Catholicism.
Wow! What a clown. I'm a Catholic and he's gotten just about everything wrong. First, he conflates justification with righteousness. Second, Matthew 5:19 "Unless your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees, ye shall not enter Heaven." Proving venial sins. Third, this idea of the sacraments is wrong. We don't lose justification. We can lose grace. But as James said, "Faith without works is dead." In other words, if you've got something hindering your faith, like a wrong idea of who God is, your evil works will prove that your faith is leading to death. The only thing we can take with us after death is our works. Let's make an assumption: only the children of God will have justification. And I'm talking real justification, which can only come from the sacraments. Namely "reconciliation." But there are others, like marriage. The sacraments are only outward signs of inward grace. The priests are full of grace, having lived a life of holiness, free of worldly distractions, their justification is 100% pure and their lives sanctified by personal holiness of fasting, abstinence, etc.
Unfortunately R.C. has not represented Catholic teachings well at all. We believe that salvation is by faith alone if we understand faith as that formed faith which works through love(Galatians 5:6). R.C. seems to think we believe salvation is kind of this process that starts with God giving us some kind of weak grace that doesn't really do anything or bring about salvation and then we go to baptism by our own strength enabled by this so called grace and then we have to cooperate for the rest of our lives to merit final perseverance. Wrong, if I was a teacher I would have to give him a failing grade and you can't criticize something well unless you understand it.
What we actually believe is that God from before the foundation of the world has chosen a people from among sinful humanity to make righteous(we call them the elect) and the rest he has chosen to leave in their sins(we them the reprobates). In salvation grace is primary for Catholics; by this we mean absolutely no one could be saved or would be saved without God working in them because eternal life is not natural to man but an elevation above what is natural. If we speak of this order by which a typical man is saved we would say it begins with God's decree of election of that person before the foundation of the world, second God's prevenient grace which the elect person responds to in baptism(or for infants the parents of the elect respond to); let it also be known that I believe this grace is effectual(not irresistible because there's no imposition on the will, God moves our will freely) but some other Catholics such as Molinists disagree on this point. After baptism when we speak of works being meritorious we mean that God enables us by His grace to preform certain good acts which He will credit to us as His friends, these works are as R.C. correctly pointed out not strictly meritorious but are congruous. Unfortunately he again makes a mistake saying that these congruous merits earn us heaven, no they merely pay some or all of the temporal punishment we have accrued by sin. Since our demeritorious sins have strictly merited eternal punishment only a strictly meritorious sacrifice is able to make atonement for us, Christ's death alone makes satisfaction for sin. So God in preparing and usings us to accomplish these good works gives us the reward. Can a person in the state of grace fall into mortal sin and have to be reconciled? Yes because God to accomplish certain goods permits certain defects however it is God's will that the elect certainly will be finally reconciled to God(we call this the grace of a happy death). Does that mean that all who were in the state of grace will be reconciled before their death? No because not everyone who God places into the state of grace is elected to final perseverance. There are elect and nonelect Christians(2 Peter 2:20), God gives the grace of conversion to both the elect and nonelect but only to the elect God grants final perseverance. How can we know if we are the elect or not? We can never know with infallible certainty until we finish the race but the Bible does tell us to "Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith" which can give us a kind of assurance. If God is strengthening us with his gifts of faith, hope and charity then we can have assurance that God will save us if we continue until the end. We can never know if we will continue until the end though because on our own we could never do it and we dont know if it's the mind of God to give us this grace.
Overall I would have to give R.C. a failing grade on this presentation, it was very wrong. I won't impute any bad intentions to him because I actually agree with much of his writings but he just never truly understood Catholicism well.
Ex opere operantis Christi.
While I think Sproul is making a good effort and sincerely trying to represent the teaching of Christ’s true Church and Bride, the man fails. The problem for Sproul is that if he actually knew and understood what the God-breathed Scriptures taught he’d sign up right away for RCIA at the nearest Catholic parish.
Unfortunately, this man is ignorant about Catholicism.
Likely you are the ignorant one
Roman Catholic Sproul= RC Sproul
Really Catholic Sproul AKA Not Roman Catholic (which is demonic) but a member of the true invisible and universal church of God
This man knows nothing about Catholic theology and in fact biblical truths. All you have to do is read, at the very least, the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Start with Part 3, Section 1, Chapter 3, Article 2: Grace and Justification.
Yknow, I think he knows a bit about catholic theology. I might believe Sproul over you in this regard.
@@cordsman it’s not a matter of believing me, it’s a matter of truth in what the Church teaches. You don’t have to believe the Church, just don’t misrepresent it’s teachings. Read the CCC for yourself. It’s in black and white. I even gave you the reference numbers.
@@MrTheKing537 So Luther and the reformation were simply mistaken, interesting take 🤔🤔 what part does man play in justification? The curses laid out in the council of Trent make me think that the church envisioned justification as not occurring alone through Christ and alone through grace by faith.
@@cordsman if you look back through history, yes Luther was mistaken, his doctrine was never taught prior. That’s the findings even of a majority of Protestant theologian and historians. Just please read the text I referenced, I think it is very helpfully in understanding the Church’s teachings.
@@MrTheKing537 I did read it, thanks.
For all those who have been mislead by this video. Here is the official Catholic Church teaching on Justification:
1992 *Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ* who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. *Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith.* It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who makes us inwardly just by the power of his mercy. Its purpose is the glory of God and of Christ, and the gift of eternal life:
1994 *Justification is the most excellent work of God's love made manifest in Christ Jesus and granted by the Holy Spirit.* It is the opinion of St. Augustine that "the justification of the wicked is a greater work than the creation of heaven and earth," because "heaven and earth will pass away but the salvation and justification of the elect . . . will not pass away." He holds also that the justification of sinners surpasses the creation of the angels in justice, in that it bears witness to a greater mercy.
dont try to preach facts brother.
@@user-nu3sd7zb2jWe need to oppose the lies somehow
It looks like he explained the error of this and you are too spiritually dead to have noticed
I don’t know how anyone could stand with Martin Luther. He had much bad fruit. Just do your reaearch
Use spell check.
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Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
@@theviperman1947James chapter 2 verse 24 you see a man is justified by works and NOT by faith alone. I love how Protestants just throw out one random bible verse out of context and base their entire religion on it. Catholic Church is true church of Christ, and it’s easy to see if you do some research on church history
@@theviperman1947you also do know that the Protestants literally added and changed words in the King James Version to fit their Calvinistic faith alone doctrine? It is not an accurate translation. You need an older Bible man. Do you know anything about Martin Luther at all? Obviously not or your whole world view would come crashing down
Martin Luther speaks pure from this video. A general attack by Protestantism against the doctrine of transsubstitution. For evangelicals the host is just a piece of bread. Just for remembrance.: Do this in memory of me. No one, no Catholic, worships a piece of bread, so it's not heresy. I believe in the real presence of God=Jesus Christ. The speaker is a prisoner of Martin Luther's heresy, who divided the church with his heresy.
Roman Papist institution admitted of being liars when they admitted the Donation of Constantine was a forgery. They used it to fool the world Constantine gave the West to the Pope 😂 what a fallacy.
This is dishonest at best.
Thank you RC for exposing the false Papist silly Dogma !
The roman church in a nutshell:
We tell you what the scriptures mean and you give us your money💰
Protestant pastor I will tell you what the Bible means and you have to give me 10%of ur $$$$
Lost me as soon as he demonstrated his ignorance of Greek philosophy and etymology. Somebody should have told him about the LSJ. It's not rocket science.
I am Catholic. We are justified by faith alone.
Good luck in the Lutheran Church
@@Scribeintheink There won't be any need.