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In this video I react to British cops vs American cops. It truly is amazing just how different the police are in the UK vs USA.
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In America people call the cops Sir, in the UK the police will address you as Sir. It's often said that in America it's called a Police Force because they use force, whereas in the UK we have a Police Service.
totally right Dave. No Brit would call a cop "Sir" or "Ma'am", it just wouldn't happen.
" in the UK the police will address you as Sir" Unless you are a young black male in one of our cities where it is a very different experience when the police use stop and search powers
@@kevins2961 Nope !
Wow ! that is so true !
American police also won't come knocking on your door for tweets. Neither is that great. Cops are cops
He skipped over a huge factor in the UK it takes between 2-3 years to train to become a police officer in the US it takes between 10- 36 weeks.
In the UK most police forces are organised on a county basis; theexceptions being PSNI, Police Scotland, the Met and the City of London. In the US each county and/or municipality has its own police department. Some police departments are better than others.
The first cops were known as Bow street runners ,,,,, when the Net was formed they were known as Bobes after Sir Robert peelers
@@xarisstylianou ...Just some corrections: Met (Metropolitan Police Service). Bobbies. Sir Robert Peel.
It longer to become a london taxi driver than an American police officer.
@@WookieWarriorz yes it is true. Go look for yourself. The vast majority of police academies count a high school diploma as a degree or optionally you can get in with college credit hours, basically hours spent at college not even a qualification and police academies are usually 26 weeks long.
Policing in Northern Ireland is very different to the rest of the UK. During the troubles, they were a huge target for the IRA (over 300 killed and 9000 seriously injured.) They have to carry for their own protection if nothing else. A couple of weeks ago, the IRA actually shot a high ranking police officer here when he was coaching football. It happened in front of his son and other kids. Also, when I'm in the rest of the UK I find it so strange that their police stations can just be like a normal house on the street you can walk into. Here, they're more like fortresses with high fencing etc. Again, police stations were huge targets for bombings during the troubles.
Back in the mid 1960's I was talking to a PC in Belfast. Although the carried a revolver in a Holster, at that time he had no ammunition. Then along came 'the troubles' and near civil war resulted. There are still people who will use force against the will of the population for their own political ends, on both sides of the argument.
policing here is very much based on the consent of both unionists and nationalists. If the police here wore outwardly British uniforms with the crown etc on them it wouldn’t go down very well in some quarters. So, we have our own that’s seen as more neutral but naturally there’s still people on both sides that take issue with it.
For historical context, only 2% of the RUC were Catholics, they were openly discriminative against the majority of the population of those who live here to their very core. It's gradually improving however.
Also important to say many Catholics interested in joining the police were intimidated out of doing so by their community. This still happens. There were many issues within the RUC however, to say they as a collective were openly discriminatory is an opinion rather than historical context. There are many different interpretations of the past and policing has always been and still is a contentious issue.
@@ostrozac as an 80s child in a Catholic area the police we seen were very discriminatory. I remember having my school bag searched constantly and getting kicked out of class so the could search our clasroom. The police station was beside the park and my school. The police wouldn't let us use the park, they would scream threats at us and point weapons at us. As a primary school child it was not fun
I would be interested as to what is considered an “assault” in the UK vs the US. In the UK we would consider spitting, slapping, even throwing a drink at someone to be assault. There is quite a push to report these things so that unions can push for better pay and working conditions.
The police aren't allowed to unionise in the UK - they only have the Police Federation which is completely toothless. So there's no way for the police to get better working conditions. They're not allowed to strike either by law and have to follow "lawful orders" so they really end up with the bad end of the stick a lot of the time.
Anything from a poke to a full on punch and everything in between.
Assault in the UK includes threatening violence without actual contact.
@@missharry5727 a threat is a threat not assault. If I was to threaten to give you a slap I wouldn't be arrested, never mind for assault. Now if I threatened to kill you on the other hand that might get taken a little more seriously. Now if I was to tickle you on the other hand and you didn't like it, well that is called common assault. In fact depending on the context could be considered sexual assault. Either way it all comes down to sticks and stones. Well unless your a Karen in that case I'm wrong, you're right about everything and I'm so sorry I lied. Don't get me arrested.
The police are not allowed to be members of a union
Bobbies are so called because the first Metropolitan police force was formed by Sir Robert Peel, Parliamentarian and Victorian Prime Minister. Hence Bobby.
Old Bill.
Bobbies AKA Peelers. [ both would have been slang in Peaky Blinders ;-) ]
@@neilgayleard3842 old bill came later post WWI based on soldier cartoon character Old Bill, by George Bairnsfather.
@@philiprowney That`s why they still call them Peelers in Northern Ireland.
They did cover that in the video.
11:10 You had the answer about that Steve. The previous segment said there was 5 people killed by UK police in one year. That INCLUDES Northern Ireland. So on average 1 person per nation. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.
British cops are extremely well trained in defusing a situation.
As a german my experience with policemen is similiar to the british view on them. One thing that probably makes a big difference is not only the length of formal training it takes to become a police officer in germany (roughly 3 years minimum) but also the focus of the training.
Watching police training videos in the US you will soon notice how much emphasis is put on the US officer being aware of the dangers. They are reprimanded for every minor mistake to secure themselves or their partner. They are trained to eliminate any risk, in other words they are trained to be fearful of their environment while on duty. They are trained to be cowards.
What is the most likely thing an armed coward does when threatened or feeling insecure ? He will make use of his weapon to "neutralize" any threat. The officers in the US are taught to always (!) assume the worst, expect the worst and, totally crazy to even think about it, *act* on that expectation. Police officers in the US are trained to feel like a group of people detached from society and every individual to be their enemy devoid of any basic level of human decency. Sure those types of criminals exist, but the majority of even criminal people that are treated with a basic level of decency will somewhat respond to it. Being respectful as a policeman ushers others to treat you with respect. A policeman full of distrust and treating citizen like enemies will provoke a similiar reaction.
Of course these spiral of animosity, the police being fearful of citizens thereby making citizens increasingly fearful of police, is going on for decades now and it will be hard to turn this around. The police will have to make an effort to change their image, but it might also be a good idea to stop referring to your police with a slur like it was the most natural thing. 😄
P.S. By they way, one of the most important bits you can take away from this videos statistics. More police does not equal less crime, otherwise the US would be the safest country, which it clearly is not.
I worked for 20 years in one of the very few specialist fully armed police force, what I noticed was that the firearms training was specifically directed on an escalation of force principle i.e. you would use non lethal alternatives first such as batons, pepper spray (PARVA) Taser, baton guns and as a last resort your personal protection weapon. They also carried first aid kits so they could try and save the person they had shot. Threat perception and training to eliminate collateral damage of bystanders is another deep training exercise, if it’s not safe to shoot… don’t shoot
The biggest difference, which he didn't mention for some reason though it's a major difference, is that to become a policeman in Britain you have to train for a lot longer. I feel that this difference is why British police, on the whole, are better prepared to face whatever comes at them while on the job, without resorting to violence right away.
“Bobby” is a contraction of Robert. Sir Robert Peel actually started the British Police Force hence Bobbys or sometimes Peelers. Also, regarding assaults, doesn’t necessarily mean physical assault, a verbal diatribe, a minor shove all get reported as assaults!
Assault is always distinguished as verbal, physical or mental. This should have been broken down by the youtuber. Myself, where I live is classed as the most dangerous town in England. No hope of moving either, I suppose better the devil you know 😮😮
After Sir Robert Peel, police were also called Peelers a while ago. Also Mr. Plod after Enid Blyton’s Noddy books and particularly in London The Old Bill. Don’t know why.
The police were also known as Rossers as Sir Robert Peel came from an area of Lancashire called Rossendale
@@susansmiles2242 thanks for that additional info, I’ve always wondered about that.
@@janescott4574 there is also a Peel monument that can be seen from the A56 but this is actually on the hills overlooking Bury
I do find it quite unsettling when I see police in the UK with guns. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have them in certain, specific, settings, but it is so foreign that it certainly stands out to me.
Seeing police with obvious firearms at airports is more disturbing for me.
Familiarize yourself with firearms. They are merely tools. Education, training, and familiarity build comfort with them, which is key to assuage any discomfort one may otherwise feel.
Firearms are just “tools”. They are the means of destruction and death. They have no peaceful use and those that wield them have only the choice of doing harm and violence or leaving them holstered. Attempting to normalise guns is to dehumanise yourself and accept violence as just another part of life. Remember the aftermath of Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and feel ashamed. Not in my country, not in any civilised country, would that have been accepted.
Never want to see our police armed. Never ever!!!!!
@@stevenredpath9332 thats every airport though?
the figure for assaults on UK police is all down to what is classed as assault and its getting to the point where just looking at someone in a bad way could be consider assault.
I was going to comment I'm extremely suspicious about those figures for assaults on police in the UK
Yep, the same goes for the definition used for violent crime in the two countries. It's like comparing apples and oranges when you try and make meaningful comparisons between crime statistics.
@@mattsmith5421 resisting arrest is assault.
Yeah I'm very skeptical on those numbers. I bet they are including "Verbal Assault" like when someone uses a swear word in their direction lmao.
Yeah, I think if you knock off a police officer's helmet that would be classed as an assault.
i cant get over how much american police swear 😱and ive had several experiences first hand in police interviews here in the UK! i have NEVER heard a british police officer swear.
Disciplinary Offence to swear in public whilst in uniform or to swear in the execution of duty.
Other nicknames we use here:
Rozzers - from Robert (Peel)
Peelers (old term) from Robert Peel
Filth
Plod
Po-Po
Pigs (also in US)
Babylon - Rastafarian/Jamaican term - used by Balck youth in the 70s-possibly now.
Bizzies - local to Liverpool
Old Bill -
Fuzz
Bottles - apparently Cockney rhyming slang - bottles and stoppers = coppers
Copper comes from Latin copare that means to capture
@@gerbill13 Indeed.
Police in the UK do not enjoy the same sort of immunity enjoyed(?) by their US counterparts and are subject to the law the same as everyone else. As a result, armed officers would think twice about using their guns and are specifically trained to talk down a situation. Whereas an American cop seems to reach for his gun at the first opportunity, the British policeman talks and will reach for his taser as the last resort! Also if a British policeman is dismissed from the force for wrongdoing, that is the end of his career unlike in the USA where frequently it is a case of just moving on to the next force that WILL employ him. The video you are watching is inaccurate, police recruits DO need educational qualifications - an 'A' level GCSE (nearest equivalent is a high-school diploma) followed by a 3-year degree apprenticeship.
The main difference I believe is that the UKs approach to dealing with most situations is to de-escalate the scenario they are face with, using words and humour and reason. Rather than the US where the first step often appears to be an effort to subdue suspects using force. Obviously with a nation that’s armed to the teeth with firearms it’s not entirely unexpected that the police may feel under more threat in any situation.
He should highlight this comment. I think you've absolutely hit the nail on the head.
I remember watching an American broadcaster watching British police talk down a man with a weapon and get him to surrender and they were just blown away and couldn't believe that our police didn't immediately shoot him🤦🏻♀️
We live in a small town. We have been burgled. They stole our car as well - which included my wheelchair, so it was in the newspapers. The idiot burglar used one of our stolen bank cards at the petrol station down the road to top up our car - and then went to Asda. The Policeman nearly fell over laughing. He popped down to the Petrol Station ( and Asda ) to pick up the video evidence and I had my wheelchair back well within 24 hours. It took longer to get the rest of our possessions back - for them we had to wait until after the court case - but we had new bank cards so only the car rankled.
From my experience it's the length of training. In the uk, the training is more than double that of an American. In the UK, the police is known as a service but in USA a force. Just the whole mindset of police officers is different in both countries. In the uk only specialist trained police after some service can apply to be a firearm bearing officer whereas in the US every police officer has a gun. I think guns have a big thing to do with the difference to. I understand in america the general public have guns to zo it is slightly different.
I think it’s more than slightly different. The problem for America is that even if all the civilians and police gave up their guns, the criminals will still have them, so America have trapped themselves in a situation where they need guns to defend themselves from guns. And of course, that comes with all the other effects of providing guns to the general public.
@@fahimtajwaar2521 it seems to me there are multiple groups: the responsible gun owners, the criminals and a third group who are the general public but lack self control. They are liable to get drunk and have short tempers and pick up their gun in a moment of passion. There are also another group that mess around with guns like toys - the Homer Simpsons of the world. Interestingly the police can belong to any of these groups as well. It would be nice if ALL the police belonged to the responsible gun owners group but in practice you have your rogue trigger happy officers with a chip on their shoulder. Though some are triggered by "quick draw" of the public like the "just me" guy that shot a police officer suddenly.
Bobbies - Robert Peel founded the UK police force, and a short form of Robert is Bobby. So, we nickname the cops Bobbies (usually they are the ones that wield truncheons/nightsticks only...)
The crime being based in big cities thing is the same in the UK. Also, as people have said, “assault” of the police is a very broad term.
The legal definition of 'assault', in the UK, is 'engendering fear in another'. As such, many things can be categorised as assault.
For all those claiming that 'assault' is treated too seriously - I was assaulted in a road rage attack. The offender kicked the driver's window in, showering me in glass and leaving cuts, then used my head as a punch-bag (he obviously was a trained boxer). When he drove off, he ran me over. It took Bristol police over 6 months to trace him (despite 15 witnesses, his car details, etc) - and then he was simply given a police caution for common assault, not even a fine. He clearly had done similar before. I still carry the scars on my face; it is apparently normal, for assault, for the authorities to charge 'two down' to minimise prison populations.
That’s a very vague definition . In Scotland assault is “An assault is an attack upon the person of another. It will normally take the form of a physical attack. The attack does not need to cause injury for it to be seen as an assault in law.” We haven’t gone as far as the woke version where even looking at someone the wrong way people say is assault.
Thats not the definition in scotland
An assault is defined in English law (and Northern Irish Law) as "intentionally or recklessly causing another to reasonably apprehend the imminent use of unlawful force upon their person." Its also worth noting that in 49 US states the same definition is used, in New York this would be named menacing and the NYS offence of assault is what in England and the other 49 states is called battery. Battery is always an assault but not all assaults are battery.
One major issue about the British armed officers is they go through extended assessments and training before they are allowed to become part of an armed response unit. In the USA it appears a police officer will pretty much be handed a weapon as they graduate police academy.
The police in the UK do have a reputation of being helpful and friendly, which is why we call them bobbies. As a children, we are taught that if we are lost or don’t feel safe to find a police officer. I also would not think twice about approaching a bobby on the beat for directions - this is quite common.
With regard to police officers involved in killing a member of the public - it would be interesting to know the ratio of incidences where the deceased actually presented a threat to the police or public. I think most of the deaths attributed to British police officers is linked to terrorist events and we have very few incidents of an innocent person being killed or injured by an armed officer.
Also, our (British) armed officers may often use non-fatal force when dealing with a suspect, even a terrorist with a knife or a gun. One such terrorist was shot in the arm after killing an off duty soldier, thus denying him his martyrdom and 72 virgins. He rots in jail now. In the USA, it seems like officers adopt a shoot to kill policy, even in instances where a subject is not armed or armed but not a direct threat to the officer (for instance, armed with a knife but not close to the officer).
Try watching a recent episode of Police Interceptors, a UK real-cop show if you want more of an idea of what actual policing is like in the UK.
We do have the same systemic problems with our police as yours, but it’s in the context of few weapons and “policing by consent”, a philosophy of policing which the UK aims for.
Im from UK and find it both scary and reassuring at Heathrow and in London seeing anti-terrorist police WITH guns nowadays. How times have chsnged. However on the ordinary street in the UK very very rarely see them with guns. The special gun division are called out at quick response if an incident requires armed police.
When terrorists are trying to kill you it's best to be armed. N. Ireland.
I can't remember any police shootings since the 90's. There may have been but I do not recall any.
There was one very recently, with the guy taking the kids for football training I think?
@@johnp8131 You mean the guy shot by dissident republicans?
I just did a quick search. The last was 2011.
My great grandpa was one of the first policeman in 1901 in his town in derbyshire! I have his badge number and photo. He arrested a rapist in 1902! Very proud
Also if whilst being arrested if a police officer gets hit or spat at its classed as assult. I would say because they dont carry firearms more people try fight their way from being arrested as theyre not scared of being shot. It is getting worse in the uk for violent crime but i blame social media with younger people trying to act gangsta when theyre not. We have tazers that seem to do the job if needed though.
Sheriffs first appointed in the Saxon era. Sheriffs were appointed by the King to cover each area or district of the Kingdom and the Sheriff’s area was known as the Shire. A sheriff was responsible for the administration of all the laws in that district, raising the King’s army and collecting the Kings taxes. The sheriffs were even responsible for completing executions when England had the death penalty.
There was Hue and Cry laws, all able bodied men were required to respond to crys of 'THIEF' or 'MURDERER' and try to apprehend the suspect, they were supposed to keep up the cry across towns cities, even county's until the suspect was caught and handed over to the Sheriff
whether or not anyone ever actually did is another matter
Originally it was a reeve that was appointed to oversee a shire, which would have been under the overall control of an earl. Over time, "shire reeve" contracted to "sheriff". There were other types of reeve, such as "town reeve" or "port reeve".
‘Sheriff’ from ‘shire reef’, a reef being a public official.
I grew up in a not so great part of England called Rochdale. If you look up "Rochdale Girls", I grew up in that period and police were not to be trusted. Still I never really feared police or hated them or disrespected them, I just sort of saw them as not there to help or believe us; you're more likely to get help if you tell the big guy and his friends down the street than the police.
Saying that I remember going to a house party as a young teen and a guy came in with a machete and started attacking. 6-8 police officers showed up, no guns as far as I'm aware and just talked the guy down. Luckily, there were no serious injures, worse was an ear cut off
Actually it is considered that the Glasgow City police founded in 1800 is the 1st formal police force in the UK not the metropolitan police force.
Correct
Knife crime is becoming a hugh issue in our inner cities , my sons a police officer and has come into contact with a fair few people with machetes and knives , usually gang related , assaults can mean spat on , verbal , punches thrown , de- escalation is key in his job . Very proud of him .
Ditto me too ...very long hours for very little pay....but my son is a detective and loves his job 🇬🇧
In the UK the "cops" police by public consent but not in the US
When it comes to "assaults" on police officers in the UK you can be charged with assault merely by touching a police officer. So many of these assaults in the UK are not serious, in fact, many people would not even consider them assault. If you look at the number of assaults on police officers reported by the Police Federation and the number of people charged with assault on a police officer you will find that the number of real assaults is a small fraction of the reported number. So either the police in the UK are so kind that they don't charge many of the people that assault them, or the reported number of assaults is bunkum.
relative of mine is a police officer. in over 12 years she has never used her tazer or truncheon she says she can talk anyone into getting into a police car.
Don't know what constitutes 'Assault' in the USA, however in the UK, 'verbal assault' or being spat at will be included in the UK statistics which may distort it somewhat? I looked closely at joining the police in the mid seventies rather than the military (just my local county constabulary). Financially, I would have been far better off then in the police, than someone joining now.
One reason for treating spitting as an assault is that a PC was spat at in the eye by a person infected with HIV and subsequently died.
@@solentbum .
That never happened.
There is no such thing as verbal assault in U.K., any such incident would be classed at a public order offence and recorded as such
Bobby/bobbies comes from Sir Robert Peel (he made the police in the uk with govt support)
Bobby was a nickname for him. Also why cops were called "peelers" too.
If you listened closely they mention that only 67 people have been shot since 1990 in the UK which Northern Ireland is part of.
The mainland UK model is known as "Policing by consent", meaning that "the people" have enfranchised the police to keep the laws that Parliament passes as legislation.
N.Ireland is different because of "the troubles" aka the IRA insurrection, where the IRA targeted the police, so the police force then called the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) were then all armed so they could defend themselves. When the peace were signed the service became the PSNI "Police service for Northern Ireland" as the RUC were seen as too pro-loyalist.
When he says that it's well over a million assaults per year is false, it includes verbal assaults or spitting etc,the physical assaults is massively lower,
A number of comments here point out that in the UK we "Police by consent", it should be further clarified that the UK philosophy is that it is everyones duty and responsibility to uphold the laws of the UK regardless of their position in life, uniformed Police officers are simply members of the public who are paid to do this on a full time basis - "the police are the public and that the public are the police"
Here's a statistic to make you think. Figures published in 2017 showed that the number of Americans killed by firearms since 1968 exceeded the total deaths in ALL wars conducted by Americans, going back to the Revolutionary war up to Iraq and Afghanistan. The figures are: Between 1775 and 2015, there were approximately 1.2 million military deaths (source: Dept. of Veteran Affairs), and in contrast, between 1968 and 2015 there were 1.53 million deaths of US citizens within its borders (source: US Centre for Disease Control and Prevention)
That is really quite shocking.
The police carry guns in the North of Ireland because there is a whole other set of problems than the rest of the UK. You should react to N. Ireland and The Troubles. If you haven't already
Having experienced both I confirm there is no comparison. UK Police are super chill by comparison.
I'm glad that British police don't carry guns or in specific situations, tasers, as if I got hit by a taser it'd probably kill me instantly. I have a heart condition and if I get hit by 40k volts I'm sure I'd die instantly. As far as guns are concerned, I'm just plain scared of them.
The data on "assaults" is quite misleading - if you touch an officer in the course of him/her doing their duty - they can and often will arrest you on an assault charge - this can be verbal assault, physical assault and in rare cases, mental assault. So take that with a pinch of salt Steve.
In the UK recently the police have been given a bad rap as there have been several *bad eggs* come to light - and these bad eggs were/are serving officers. I won't go into the range of crimes as they are quite disgusting and offensive.
The British also introduced courts of law. Things like judges, lawyers, solicitors, jurors etc, which we all take for granted now, were all started by the British .
The definition of assault in the UK is broad and the police have a zero-tolerance policy, saying discriminating words and spitting at police officers would be considered an assault and added onto the charges you face... the judge will make you pay compensation to the officer for them.
I think this probably accounts for many of the reported assaults on officers.
The reason why Bobbies in Northern Ireland carry arms is because of the troubles back in the 60s/70s. Perhaps look up a video on the Troubles.
In Northern Ireland, our police wear green uniforms instead of blue, like the rest of the UK. Our police also wear bulletproof vests etc. They also carry guns & tasers, though I think they might carry 'rubber' bullets as well as live rounds, as there are still very VERY little lethal shooting by police. This is because of 'The Troubles'. In NI there are laws that restrict ownership of guns, in that there are really strict laws about all public holding gun licences, especially handguns & semi-automatics, (restricted!), along with hunting 2/3 shot rifles. Our police also don't always have marked cars, some are unmarked, but folk here can still tell the difference & they usually work in pairs, only on an extremely rare occasion would a police officer work alone.
Northern Ireland's police are armed because...well, because of the troubles. It literally had British army patrols for much of the 20th century...
Two of the non-geographic forces, the MOD Police (civil police force responsible for policing MOD property) and Civil Nuclear Constabulary, are armed as well. The other non-geographic force, British Transport Police, aren't routinely armed but have specialist firearms officers, the same as the geographic police forces.
The geographic police firearms units officers tend to be interceptor drivers as well, iirc, but even then they're not always armed. When they're working as interceptor drivers their firearms are kept in a secure locker in the boot of the vehicle - they need to be specifically permitted to retrieve them (I think opening the locker actually triggers an alert back at the control centre).
The armed police you tend to see at airports will be from the relevant geographic force's firearms unit (Essex Police in the case of Stansted, for example.)
I'm fascinated by the picture of flowers in the background that only takes up half the frame.
There seems to be confusion over police carrying firearms in the UK. I've heard people say that no UK police carry guns, ever. This is obviously not the case - you don't tackle an armed standoff with sticks and whistles. First of all, all police in Northern Ireland routinely carry guns. In the rest of the UK its more complicated. A limited number - currently around 10% - are authorised to carry guns and mainly belong to a specialist firearms unit within each force. Bigger forces with more complex needs - like the Metropolitan Police in London - have armed counter terrorist units and the like. During times of heightened terrorist threats for example, you may see police at airports who are not only armed but are carrying submachine guns!
A traffic stop in the UK is generally a very friendly meeting, and motorist will often get out of their cars to greet the police, the police normally have a friendly chat about any problem they might have stopped you for jumping a light - speeding - lights not working etc , give you a summons if required, impound your car if you have no insurance, and arrest you if your over the limit when given a breath test. but you will get the times when the drivers knowing they will be arrested will just stop and then run , but don't normally get very far before being caught all without the use of any guns.
Bobby's Comes from Sir Robert Peel MP who formed the first British Police Service in the UK.... Robert? ..Bob that was in 1829 in London.
Cops are also called Peeler's , Blue Bottle's and The Old Bill and sometimes the Boys in Blue. Love the Vids Mate London Bloke.
I live in Northern Ireland and honestly cannot remember the last time anyone was shot by the Police. It is exceptionally rare. I feel they are scared to use their weapons as they are very likely to be prosecuted if they cannot prove that deadly force was required.
David Dunn- so glad I visited NI a few years ago- to see the beauty of the mountains/contryside, the lovely villages and friendly peoples. After a lifetime of only seeing NI in the news it was enlightening to see a gem of a place! Would love to revisit sometime!
NI cops are armed because of the legacy of 'the troubles' - the paramilitaries although quieter now still exist
bobby, derived from the name of Sir Robert (ie "Bob") Peel, who established the Metropolitan Police force in 1829. Police officers in London are also known as “peelers” for the same reason
I think the fact that police in the UK don't have guns means they are less afraid of random crazy people in the street.
US cops seem constantly terrified that someone will get close enough to steal their gun.
UK cops don't carry guns so they don't have to worry that they might be killed at any moment.
If you see UK cops on the street, you will often see them in pairs. They tend to be relaxed, friendly, and helpful. Keep a respectful distance and they'll be happy to give you directions.
If you see UK cops patrolling with guns it will likely be in an airport or busy London train station. The guns will likely be carbines rather than pistols. I would steer well clear of these cops. They willnot appreciate you getting too close.
Assault in UK law is as wider group of actions from threatening words and spitting to a severe physical attack
One of the earliest Uk police forces was Established by Sir Robert Peel ( Bobby Is a nickname for Robert ) they were also once called "Peelers " So they were Bobby's Boys which just became " Bobby's "
The maker of this video made a bit of an error when mentioning 'assaults'. As another correspondent says, assault could be anything from verbal abuse, spitting at, or physically touching, right up to actual bodily harm. A few years back, the Government 'updated' what constituted assault, and in my opinion went completely overboard with some of the things classed as 'assault'.
There are basically 4 classes of assault, listed here in ascending order of severity:
1. 'Common assault' which would include verbal abuse, spitting at, to touching someone. (Technically, if, for example, I came up behind a stranger and tapped them on the shoulder to ask for directions, I could be charged with assault if the stranger took objection to being tapped on the shoulder).
2. Assault causing ABH (Actual Bodily Harm) which might be something like giving someone a black eye.
3. Assault causing GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm), which might be something like breaking a bone in a fight.
4. Assault with Intent (Intent to Kill), and might be something like hitting someone on the head with a brick or stone, to beating them half to death with a baseball bat.
To group all these different levels into 'number of assaults this year' is merely a police tactic to try to garner more funding from the government 'because assault crime is rising', and is a direct result of the Government's muddled thinking.
As an ex UK resident, I am confident and comfortable asking police in Europe for help, directions, the time. When I visited NY in 2014 I was intimidated by the policeman who I asked for directions....who else should you ask?
The figure of 23 days vacation is on top of the statutory holidays (bank holidays) of at least 8, so actual paid annual holiday is at least 31 days (6.2 weeks). By law everyone must be given at least 5.6 weeks full paid vacation.
Hi Steve, In the UK an assault is not the actual touching. Assault and battery where battery is the actual touching. There are 3 main types of 'assault'. Common Assault - s.39 Criminal Justice Act 1988
An assault is any act (and not mere omission to act) by which a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to suffer or apprehend immediate unlawful violence.
The next more serious offence is Assault Causing Actual Bodily Harm (A.O.B.H.) The most serious form of assault is split into 2 parts Grievous Bodily Harm (G.B.H.) and Wounding. G.B.H. is classed as some kind of blunt force trauma whilst Wounding is some kind of incised wound. These two offences are further divided into Section 18 where the injuries were caused on purpose or maliciously, which can result in life imprisonment or Section 20. Where the injuries were caused but not on purpose or maliciously. This can result in 10 years imprisonment. Sexual Assualt is defined differently. Regarding police assaults, all the above types of assault would be counted. So if a person spits at a police officer and the spittle lands on his skin this would be an assault If it lands on his uniform it would be Criminal Damage. Hope this helps.
yeah i was done with a sec 18 when i was 16 , i was lucky i only got 3yrs but i was expecting between 8 and 10yrs, thank god i was sentenced as a juvenile even though i was tried as an adult.
In Northern Ireland there is a history with The Troubles, which may go to explain why cops carry guns on the job.
We don't have easy access to guns and tasers here - and our Police reflect that. We do have armed Police now - but they really only are used if armed criminals are suspected. You'll also see armed Police at international airports etc
Beadles were also a pre peeler type of policemen.
They loved us, yeah, yeah, yeah... ;)
I think how assault is defined is different between the UK and US. So being spat at is assault.
policing in America is, essentially, an extension of the slave patrol. That may sound rough, but its true. Also, there is qualified immunity where cops are shielded. Also there is a significant gun culture in the USA. Other countries don't have those issues (at least not systemically).
My little city of Carlisle (9 miles south of the Scottish Border) is older than me Metropolitan Police or Bobbies. Cumbria is also home to the first black police officer in Britain, John Kent in the 1800s.
Very interesting!
The reason Police carry guns in NI was because of "The Troubles" and the Para Military groups on both sides. Since the Peace agreement many fewer violent crimes are committed and would be mostjy "criminal" rather than "Sectarian".
When I saw him tracing the line of the Irish border I tensed up, still a touchy subject today.
It is definitely dramatised but the USA does have a larger crime rate than most western countries.
We've been here before. The UK is policed with the consent of the public .
(In passing, Added to the "Bobby" comes from Sir Robert Peel, the Home Secretary who founded the police. In earlier times, they were also called "Peelers". The concept of Policing by consent came about at the same time. The first "Police" carried a rattle to summon help and a cutlass or sabre.
the term "bobby" comes from the shortening of the founder of the modern police force, they get called bobbies or peelers in memory of Sir Robert Peel @reacting to my roots
Bobby 👮♀️ is the short form of Robert. The Met Police in London began with a police officer called Sir Robert Peel. The UK population is 67.33m
The usage of the term "Bobbies" to refer to the police over here comes from Sir Robert Peel (1788-1850) who, after having served as Prime Minister for two terms of office as well as also serving as Chancellor Of The Exchequer alongside his second term, founded the Metropolitan Police Force in London is is regarded historically as the father of modern policing. (Incidentally, for a while they were also referred to as "Peelers", particulary among the criminal classes, making "Peelers" something of a perjorative term (which isn't really used anymore these days), while "Bobbies" tends to be used more respectfully and affectionally.
The term Bobby for. UK police officer comes from the name of the Home Secretary that created the first formal police unit in the UK …Sir Robert (Bobby) Peel
Northern Ireland cops have to carry guns because of the past troubles there.
A civilian service that trained to aid the public versus an occupying army taught to see everyone as potential threats.
Sir Robert Peel established the Metropolitan Police Force in London in 1829. Consequently the policemen were commonly known as 'Peelers' and later, more affectionately, as 'Bobbies'. Scotland had its first police force in Glasgow in 1800, whilst Ireland had the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1822. Historically, prior to this and for some time after, locals elected parish constables, who were unpaid, and whose job it was to help local magistrates. In some areas, in earlier days, it would be considered more the responsibility of the town or village Reeve.
It's an absolutely fascinating subject and not cut and dried. Most things in Britain aren't.
Robert Peel
In 1829 the home secretary Robert Peel introduced the Metropolitan Police Act which formed the basis of the Metropolitan Police Force widely considered as the first organised English police service.
The definition of "assault" is different. In the UK a verbal assault counts in the stats as do a physical push or shove. What is counted in the USA?
There’s a reason the NI police carry guns. Too complicated to go into here but perhaps a video on The Troubles will give an insight into why policing is different there.
According to the Oslo Community Council Archive in Norway, a "politimesterembete" meaning a position as chief of police was established in 1744, sept 11.
Sir Robert Peel established the first police force in 1829. Sometimes the officers were nicknamed Peelers, or Bobbies (short for Robert), or Coppers
our definition of "assault" is quite different, legally
You need to look into the Northern Ireland " Troubles" to understand why their police carry guns.
I don't know if you noticed the REAL difference, but at 9:54 the USA figure is based on 2016 only, but UK was all the way from 2010 until the video was made.
Also with the assaults thing, so many things are filed as assaults here, many with no further action, it could include verbal assault, spitting at an officer, and other "less serious" assaults.
Armed police here are trained to use their firearms as a last resort and will always try to give as many warnings and talk people down before use and will usually only shoot once, rather than unloading several magazines if someone is Black and has been pulled over for a minor traffic offence, like in the US.
The first police force was the city of Glasgow police, founded in 1800, not the MET
Naming police in the UK “Bobbies” was due to the fact that the founder of the force was called Robert (Bobby) Peel.
In New Zealand, the Police Act 1886 established New Zealand's first national, civil, police force. The force was generally unarmed. Sergeant John Nash was New Zealand's first non-commissioned police officer.
In 1958 a new Police Act was passed in which the word 'force' was removed. The name now used is New Zealand Police or Police.
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Our first death of an officer in the line of duty - caused by active criminal intent - was in July 1890 (Constable Neil Macleod).
Since then - as of 2022 - we've had a total of 33 officers killed in the line of duty due to criminal intent. As a result of accidental death in line of duty, add another 17.
Sir Robert peel was born in my town Tamworth we have a statue of him in front of the town hall.
One part that most of these videos and articles omit is what is counted as an "assault" against a police officer, in the US this is generally violent contact that could result in injury, in the UK, it usually includes verbal and non-injuring "unwarranted" contact (pushing/shoving).
Similar differences also exist between what each country considers "violent crime".
Also, armed Police in the UK generally have similar weaponry to US ones, though I have seen armed Police "showing their presence" (rather than being specially called out) at a few railway stations over the years, often carrying sub-machine guns or smaller automatic rifles.
They were also called Peelers, after Roberts surname "Peel". Hence Robert Peel, some called police "Peelers" at first, then some called them "Bobbies".
The slang word for british cop comes from london times Robert peel, bob is short for robert he started the police force in london first they were called peelers i think but got shot named to bobbies
Robert Peel is the founder of modern policing. Bobby is the short for Robert, hence Bobby's also they can be known as Peelers.
And the video just came up with the answer 😂
The word "police" is derived from ancient times when what we today call the public were known as the "polis" (or 'people'). In Europe and UK the police are a "service", as in Police Service. In USA you call them a police 'force'. A subtle yet meaningful difference. Regarding the "assaults" against UK police officers it pays to know that even spitting at a policeman is 'assault', so this statistic can be quite misleading.
They are also known as the Peelers.
Bobby comes from Sir Robert Peel who started the 1st police force in the UK. They were first referred to as Peelers and then Bobby's as a reference to Robert Peel. Hardly anyone ever says Bobby accept Americans or other foreigners.