Just to be clear, I’m not saying this changes anything about the minigames, I’m saying the GAMEPLAY is Michael’s dream. I’ve read Dittophobia (and all of the other FNAF novels/anthologies) and I think Rory is a separate victim, and whether William used illusion discs or gas doesn’t really matter.
Do you agree that either michael or c.c saw elizabeth die? Why else would nightmare and nightmare fredbear have a stomach mouth. That would also explain why c.c is scared of the animatronics. If none of them saw elizabeth get scooped, it means william using c.c and/or mike in an experiment of some sort and william built the nightmares to keep the children away from animatronics. The nightmares could also be a cause of (if it is evan dreaming them) mike scaring and bullying evan. I just threw out multiple theories that are probably not true.
@@DavetheAf none of them saw elizabeth die. elizabeths death is in a minigame in *sister location* not fnaf 4. matpats theory was that sl took place before all the other games because of the line "remember what you saw" (idk tho i dont remember the line perfectly but it was something like that) from the fnaf 4 minigame and he thought that meant cc witnessed elizabeths death, but i think its because he saw someone get springlocked, it makes much more sense and we even have proof. the voice recordings in fnaf 3 say that there were *multiple* injuries caused by springlocks, and that basically proves it all.
@@Kokusuz_Mum sister location 100% took place after fnaf 4. Because sister location is when Michael went to circus baby's entertainment and rentals and tried to survive 7 nights. Your reasoning is that a mini game from one game has no correlation to other games right? That is uhh... Not a very good way of thinking. Also the "multiple spring lock injuries" happened in 2023 or before (near the time of fnaf 3), how did something that happened in 2023 have something to do with a kid who lived 40 years before that? Maybe you confused sister location with sister baby's pizza world. If yes, then I could kind of help matpat s theory about when it opened and when Elizabeth died. In sister location we hear hand unit say "after the success and unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear's pizza, it was clear that the stage was set (no pun intended) for a new contender" This could have happened after the first location closed due to the MCI. But that raises more questions, William used remnant to power the fun times, and he got remnant from the fnaf 1 animatronics. That means circus baby's is after Freddy Fazbear's pizza so I am confused fnaf lore is making my brain hurt
@@DavetheAf i see no reasonable proof here. are you like trying to deny the fact that the minigame is in sister location instead of fnaf 4? matpats theory does not make any sense. since fnaf 4 most likely took place in michaels dreams, this means that it isnt even supposed to take in place some exact place in the timeline. its just a dream, and when it takes place doesnt matter at this point. theres no way fnaf 5 takes place before fnaf 4. i dont understand your point here. go watch matpats timeline vid, but also remember that it is NOT canon, it has many theories that have no proof and some facts we know, but its the shortest and most basic explanation i can find for you since you seem like you have an urgent need to be educated about not only this part of the fnaf lore, but also the whole fnaf lore too. theres also a 9 hour video by gibi's good idea and bad idea but its pretty long. anyway, ever heard about the springtrap cutscene in sister location?
Fnaf 4 story In 2015: we play as a child a coma, having nightmares, until he inevitably dies Fnaf 4 story in 2024: Michael Afton got caught in 4K smoking some of that nightmare pack that shadow Freddy gave him for 5 dollars.
@@evan11cole97He is talking about Fnaf 4 lore. Which can go from Dream to Nightmare pills/catnap gas/illusion disc. Funnily enough William freed more souls than Mike ever did lol.
C.C as in we are in a Hospital having Nightmares, Dreams, and Scrambled memories. Michael as in William gave Mike that Nightmare Pack so they can smoke it together to cope about C.C's death.
i have a feeling william wanted michael to suffer crying child's fate by constantly putting him against animatronics in all the games, thats why cassidy is like "this is how it feels" in ucn, this has to mean something since in fnaf 3 there's such an emphasis on fear and michael facing it. (i also think this is why scott decided to make fnaf 4 abt the bite of 83, mike and his brother's fates are so connected mike got bit in 87 the same place, but survived and possibly why hes so willing to obey his father in sl, just speculation)
@@Toyfredsfm fair however we know for a fact mike has atleast seen the fnaf 2 animatronics so 87 still could mean for mike, i cant think of a more satisfying explanation for the bite of 87
@@breathair69420 thank you! i have a theory for the names, maybe while mike was investigating the mci he used their names as coverups to find out more, but either way the diff names are odd but since they're related to the mci kids thats what i had in mind, maybe its the same with mike using the name schmidt, as a coverup with inspiration using henry's name since possibly by this point he's aware henry is a good guy
In all seriousness, I genuinely think it was always Scott intention that we were playing as Michael in the Fnaf 4 gameplay. An Easter egg everyone forgets is the night one phone guy reverse call. Unless crying child time travel, he cannot be able to hear that call because that’s in 1993 10 years later also he doesn’t know who phone guy is Also, all of the animatronics almost do the exact same thing as the Fnaf 1 animatronics Bonnie comes from the left chica comes from the right and Freddy and foxy you need to look at in order to stop them.
yup you're spot on, if you look at the perspective of just the first three games existing, all fnaf4 couldve done was add depth to the actual player who is michael, i beleive it was about michael making the worst mistake of his life and in order to make ammends he sets out a goal to set free all of the souls in fnaf 3
@@evan11cole97True. Though funnily enough Mike goesn't Free anyone's soul, After all he isn't Mangle,Toy Chica, Golden Freddy, Shadow Bonnie, or the Puppet . Unless you think Mike is Purple Guy. He never freed anyone. The Fire didn't really get rid of the Missing kids or Afton. because they all come back 2 games later.
In Fnaf 4 we are either C.C., Michael Afton, or Rory, the guy William Afton kidnapped and used hallucinogenic gas and blank mannequins to create his nightmares
dude why would we be rory, thats a totally seperate timeline from the games, in fnaf4 you're either mike or cc, and its most likely mike bc obv reasons
*My idea is that we play as both… (In my point, I believe CC died first, meaning SL hasn’t existed yet. But Freddy fazbears pizza existed, but here’s the thing, the incident hadn’t happened yet, meaning they wouldn’t bug out, therefore no night shift, especially evidently mike is a teen. Meaning he couldn’t work a dangerous job like this.) 1: We seem very small when we are walking, we can see this by how close to the floor we are, pointing towards us being BV/CC 2: the distorted phone call is something only mike would know of, pointing towards us being mike. 3: in this timeline, none of the Freddy locations existed except for FFD, meaning mike wouldn’t of heard this yet. 4: in the logbook, there was a drawing of nightmare Freddy, meaning mike would’ve definitely had these nightmares. So, my theory.. C.C/BV, had them first, nightmares, and those made him even more scared of these animatronics. After mike accidentally killed his brother, Williams used the illusion discs to present this same punishment onto mike, the same thing BV/CC experienced, the same type of nightmares. And my reason why cc died first… Freddy fazbear’s pizza exists along with Fredbears as of the event, but the incident hasn’t happened yet, the SL animatronics were made to kill kids, there had to be something, to make him reach his breaking point, to create something like this, FREDBEAR And SPRING BONNIE, weren’t originally made to kill, so someone dying to it, could make him reach his breaking point, causing him to kill more, on purpose this time though. And for timeline purposes, we know the Freddy fazbears is open, based on the masks, but based on the handunit in SL, we know that Freddy fazbears has been closed, or atleast temporarily closed due to the police search required after the missing Children’s incident.* (And I understand if u say “TLDR”)
Freddie’s had to have been around in 1983, because of the masks that Michal and his friends used to torment his younger brother why else would these masks exist if Freddie’s didn’t exist yet, also in FNAF 2 which took place in 1987 just 4 years after the bite of 83, it’s called the NEW and IMPROVED Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza meaning that Freddie’s was around in the timeframe of 1983, to 1987 and the Freddie’s we see in 1987 is likely the second location of the Freddie’s brand, and Fredbear’s is an brand that’s separate from Freddie’s but are extremely similar so either the Freddie’s name is a rebranding to Fredbear’s or there was 2 people at play with making these restaurants for children and the Aftons was caught up in tragedy after tragedy that it was like they belonged there hence why Michal always came back time and time again knowing the danger he imposes on himself
@@lugismansion2400I stated that Freddy’s most likely existed as a precursor to FNAF 2 then FNAF 1, more of a version of the withereds, but fixed. And that it existed, but also it could’ve been cause of the “Fredbear and friends” show, which involved the four main animatronics, which didn’t exist yet, we know that Fredbears was made in 1979 so within those four years both the show and Freddy fazbears pizza could exist, but pointing to the fact, the missing children’s incident are the reason they act up, William afton still has all three of his kids, meaning he hasn’t reached his breaking point yet, based off some theories, it points to the fact the nightmare FREDBEAR, and nightmare are illusion disc animatronics, and not actual nightmares, while though the main nightmares are nightmares crying child had, and the illusion disc nightmares are the ones Michael had, So we can assume Michael did some nights and crying child did the other, So that’s just what I believe,
@@Gamer_Goodness but Freddie’s had to have existed not only because of the Withered animatronics in FNAF 2, but also due to the restaurant being branded as the new and improved Freddie’s, so either a, there was a previous Freddie’s within that timeframe of the first opening of Fredbear’s to the new and improved location, or b, the Fredbear’s Family Diner is the first Freddie’s restaurant and the originals might have been roaming animatronics or in the concept of being made into the FNAF 1 location’s animatronics which would explain why they looked so withered in FNAF 2 then again, we’ll never know until we get an official Fredbear’s game which would be neat imo
@@lugismansion2400 FNAF 2 is a prequel to FNAF 1, there was a pizzeria we DONT get a game for, that’s the second ever pizzeria, which is open during Fredbears for less than a year before the bite of ‘83, FNAF 4 was also technically a official Fredbears game, but I do agree on it would be cool to have a official FNAF 0. I’m saying, the Freddy’s location had to exist at some point before the bite of 1983, when they were both open, based on this info, we can say it exists, but the office location for the night shift shouldn’t exist yet, knowing the missing children’s incident hasn’t happened, since William hasn’t been (emotionally) broken yet, Therefore the animatronics won’t act up, since there’s no souls possessing the animatronics. So there’s no night shift for Michael to be In yet, meaning he wouldn’t of heard that in his life yet, I keep my evidence further.
I don’t think we’re playing as C.C in FNAF four, I think we’re playing as Michael it seems pretty obvious from the beginning since C.C room layout is just completely different to that of the one we spend the night in. If you want more info I’ll happily explain
Honestly if we were playing as Crying Child we would be in the bedroom that we see in the Fnaf 4 minigame. The layout of the bedroom we play in in the main game of Fnaf 4 is different from the layout in the minigame. Therefore in the main game we are playing as Michael and in the Minigame we are C.C.
I think it’s possible that after night 5 (The bite of 83’) happened Michael was traumatised so after night five you play as Michael but… *Only Scott Knows*
I think it’s definitely C.c, because on the crying child’s page in the character encyclopaedia it states that he is “terrorised by the Nightmare Animatronics in his bedroom”
Or, what I personally believe, is that BV was put through the experiments as a punishment for running away multiple times and BV is giving Michael the same experience he had to go through via Michael's nightmares.
That makes sense, but i think it could be a child that was a witness becuase they got scared and didnt want it to happen to them and what if william played the illouson disc by accident in fredbares dinner
I think depending on the night is who you play as. It would make sense for the first 5 nights to be Michael since he was more exposed to the core 4 animatronics. The crying child would fit better in the night with nightmare since he supposedly represents death. Its also worth noting that the picture Mike drew could either be Nightmare or Nightmare Fredbear, they both look identical without any coloring.
The problem is that the minigames are the crying child's experiences, and there is even a hospital thing,I forgot what exact thing it was, but it was from a hospital. I possibly think that the night with Nightmare is Michael. Not sure though.
I heard people say that you can hear what sounds like doctors speaking and hospital machinery in fnaf 4. I don't know if it's true but if it is then you are definitely playing as CC
I'm not an expert on FNaF lore, but I feel like FNaF4 makes more sense if we're playing as the Crying Child. The nightmares paint the player as the victim of the situation. The Nightmare animatronics are directly attacking & scaring us. The game clearly doesn't paint us as suffering from guilt in any way. There's nothing anywhere to suggest that we're at fault for anything. It paints us as being the victim of the situation.
@@cartooncatastrophe-ts6nn That doesn't give us credence to ignore all the signs that we play as the Crying Child. In addition to the Michael connections, there are details IN the game that only make sense if we are the Crying Child (for example, the existence of Plushtrap & Nightmare BB). As such, those supposed details mean that either A. Michael IS the Crying Child, or B. the Michael stuff doesn't actually connect him to FNaF4 at all.
@@cartooncatastrophe-ts6nn Plushtrap is based on the finger-trap toy that one kid outside Fredbear's owns, and Nightmare BB is based on the balloon kid near the parking lot. Both of which only the Crying Child would reasonably be able to know or be afraid of.
My theory is that nights 1-5 we play as the Crying Child and it is his nightmares, and nights 6-8 are Micheal’s Nightmare feeling guilty after what he did to his brother. But it’s just a theory
What if Cassidy is doing this to Micheal as revenge for what he did to crying child. They would probably be somewhat friends being trapped in the robot.
What I think is that fnaf 4 is cc reliving his memories in order to move on. He does this while inside the golden Freddy suit and while in the fnaf 1 pizzeria.
I do think that it is that micheals having reacuring nightmares, but i think thats caused by the crying childs memories of those nightmares. Basically, the fnaf book, "alone together", i think it was called, explaines that when someone is being haunted, a lot can happen, such as sometimes, the one being haunted can gain the gosts memories, as we likely see with micheal. That also must be why we can see some hospital equipment in the fnaf 4 bedroom, it was the last thing the crying child saw, or atleast was around. So, i believe that crying child was the one to have these nightmares in the first place, then, after the bite, he likely passed those memories onto micheal, hence why we hear phone guys voice.
I personally think both are technically the player. All the easter eggs etc point to Michael but the designs and logic point to CC. The house is underground hinted on the SL blueprints and confirmed in Dittophobia so to experience the events of Fnaf4 they would need to disappear for at least 8 days without anyone noticing, something nearly impossible to Michael as he has friends who would most likely question where he was and most likely attends school. Also Michael's a teen, taller than the player and old enough to understand the concept of "my dad locked me into an underground bunker to run human experiments on me" and for people to believe him, unlike CC who's a little kid and doesn't have friends. Also CC's very scared of the animatronics for an unknown reason and the bedroom is a kid's, not a teens, with a plushie on the bed and other toys on the floor like they're often played with, something which also is true for CC's room in the minigames. With all this I find it very unlikely that the one experiencing the gameplay is Michael. But what about the phone call and the bedside hospital items (which CC most likely didn't see)? That's when how Michael is the player comes in. Obviously CC wouldn't have heard the Fnaf 1 phone call (unless maybe if Golden Freddy was near) nor would he have seen the flowers, iv and pills by his bed so it has to be Michael's nightmare but CC experiencing it in the 80s and Michael having nightmares of it in the 90s aren't mutually exclusive since we have Alone Together which gives us signs of being haunted, one being *having memories that aren't yours* and during Fnaf 1 we see the player (most likely Michael) get the "it's me" messages from (most likely) Golden Freddy. So my answer is that Fnaf 4 is Michael during Fnaf 1 having nightmares of what CC experienced back in around 1983 mixed with his recent experiences at Freddy's and the memories of his brother's final moments. Most likely it's not what Scott intended but it ties everything together neatly
My theory, is that its both. It DID happen with CC/Evan with illusions and the testing room, but when we play through it, its Mike seeing the nights in his dreams because of Golden Freddy
Option 3: C.C had nightmares before bite of 83, after he was bit, William punished mike and experimented on him with discs, so fnaf 4 gameplay is Michale
I say option 2 because think about golden Freddy was his best friend(talking about Evan)at this time and in the original game you get hunted down by him and this was right after the bite of 83” so mike was going crazy or he was smoking whatever that William Appleton was smoking when he killed 5 kids or 6 or 7 or his own children
This makes sense thats its c.c and not michael because the camera view is down and short but the camera view will be taller if michael were playing it, so i think its confirmed its c.c’s nightmares or a dream while he is in the hospital.
What if the nightmares were made to look like that bc crying child had nightmares and told William about them then he used crying child’s nightmares to scare Mike, would be good revenge
FNaF 4 Story In 2015: We play as a child in a coma, having nightmares, until he dies. FNaF 4 Story In 2024: Michael Afton turned off friendly fire and Nightmare smoked with him.
Y’all, it’s just CC. CC is traumatized of the animatronics because of Micheal n his friends that scare him with their animatronic mask, that’s literally how he got these nightmares, William didn’t do shit. There’s literally no clue of this, Micheal may have had these nightmares as well, however we never played him in FnaF4.
I feel like we play as the crying child because we play until a day by twelve eighty three , and that would mean that william did not go and say yes , and use the illusion disk on michael
in the first 5 nights you play as the crying child, in night 6 and the other nights you play as micheal because the crying child died in the 5th night, that is why in night 6 micheal and william start talking to crying child who is in a coma and after dies
If Shadow Freddy was the agony of C.C., he can follow Michael and give him this nightmares, where he (Michael) in Afton's observatory, where C.C. can be before the bite
Wait it’s weird that we hear a distorted phone guy call because at that time (1983) Michael hasn’t worked his first night shift at Freddy’s yet. His first time hearing Phone Guy was in 1993 and FNAF 4 is in 1983, which is 10 years prior. I also think that we play as Michael but the whole Phone Guy thing doesn’t really add up. (No hate I love your videos and I’m a huge fan :) )
My theory is that after the bite of 83 we play as Michael because William Afton uses the illusion discs to teach Michael a lesson for letting his brother "kiss fredbear" but who knows I might be wrong 🤔
My theory is that we play as the crying child in fnaf 4 and die about a week later due to the injury from the bite,and that golden freddy is only possessed by Cassidy.Edit sorry I forgot about that.
@@Ayandarue The 1st TFTPP Book Reveals That Remnant Can Save People From Certain Death Witch Means C.C Could Have Been Saved With Remnant From William Afton
It could make sense, since the distorted audio doesn’t make sense if it comes for the c.c because it doesn’t. It only comes from a one person in this franchise none other than Micheal himself. Yet this one trip of a lore takes a time to learn :’] oh well I mean I see it as an adventure collecting pieces to this lore.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying this changes anything about the minigames, I’m saying the GAMEPLAY is Michael’s dream. I’ve read Dittophobia (and all of the other FNAF novels/anthologies) and I think Rory is a separate victim, and whether William used illusion discs or gas doesn’t really matter.
Do you agree that either michael or c.c saw elizabeth die? Why else would nightmare and nightmare fredbear have a stomach mouth. That would also explain why c.c is scared of the animatronics. If none of them saw elizabeth get scooped, it means william using c.c and/or mike in an experiment of some sort and william built the nightmares to keep the children away from animatronics. The nightmares could also be a cause of (if it is evan dreaming them) mike scaring and bullying evan.
I just threw out multiple theories that are probably not true.
@@DavetheAf none of them saw elizabeth die. elizabeths death is in a minigame in *sister location* not fnaf 4. matpats theory was that sl took place before all the other games because of the line "remember what you saw" (idk tho i dont remember the line perfectly but it was something like that) from the fnaf 4 minigame and he thought that meant cc witnessed elizabeths death, but i think its because he saw someone get springlocked, it makes much more sense and we even have proof. the voice recordings in fnaf 3 say that there were *multiple* injuries caused by springlocks, and that basically proves it all.
@@Kokusuz_Mum sister location 100% took place after fnaf 4. Because sister location is when Michael went to circus baby's entertainment and rentals and tried to survive 7 nights. Your reasoning is that a mini game from one game has no correlation to other games right? That is uhh... Not a very good way of thinking. Also the "multiple spring lock injuries" happened in 2023 or before (near the time of fnaf 3), how did something that happened in 2023 have something to do with a kid who lived 40 years before that? Maybe you confused sister location with sister baby's pizza world. If yes, then I could kind of help matpat s theory about when it opened and when Elizabeth died. In sister location we hear hand unit say "after the success and unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear's pizza, it was clear that the stage was set (no pun intended) for a new contender" This could have happened after the first location closed due to the MCI. But that raises more questions, William used remnant to power the fun times, and he got remnant from the fnaf 1 animatronics. That means circus baby's is after Freddy Fazbear's pizza so I am confused fnaf lore is making my brain hurt
@@DavetheAf i see no reasonable proof here. are you like trying to deny the fact that the minigame is in sister location instead of fnaf 4? matpats theory does not make any sense. since fnaf 4 most likely took place in michaels dreams, this means that it isnt even supposed to take in place some exact place in the timeline. its just a dream, and when it takes place doesnt matter at this point. theres no way fnaf 5 takes place before fnaf 4. i dont understand your point here. go watch matpats timeline vid, but also remember that it is NOT canon, it has many theories that have no proof and some facts we know, but its the shortest and most basic explanation i can find for you since you seem like you have an urgent need to be educated about not only this part of the fnaf lore, but also the whole fnaf lore too. theres also a 9 hour video by gibi's good idea and bad idea but its pretty long. anyway, ever heard about the springtrap cutscene in sister location?
@@DavetheAf oh nvm i misread ur comment
Fnaf 4 story In 2015: we play as a child a coma, having nightmares, until he inevitably dies
Fnaf 4 story in 2024: Michael Afton got caught in 4K smoking some of that nightmare pack that shadow Freddy gave him for 5 dollars.
Sounds accurate
I like the new one more
FAXCTS BRO. Michael should share than Nightmare Pack.
nah it was never dream theory, it was always about foxybro and his determination to release all of the kids souls after accidentally killing cc
@@evan11cole97He is talking about Fnaf 4 lore. Which can go from Dream to Nightmare pills/catnap gas/illusion disc. Funnily enough William freed more souls than Mike ever did lol.
I was the crying child after playing fnaf 4
😭 me too
Same 😭
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@@NightGuardJohnny by the way nightmare is the nightmare form of nightbear which was an animatronic at freadbears family dinner
Reply 5, I became Gregory after playing fnaf 4
Nah FNAF lore is the one thing that is more complicated than Algebra 💀
Wait till you learn about the books and trash trap
Also don’t read “In the flesh” its fucking weird and definitely the author’s fetish
And I'd rather study fnaf lore in school, rather than algebra
@@markofabecic6824agreed
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For me, it's both. We are both Michael and C.C.
C.C as in we are in a Hospital having Nightmares, Dreams, and Scrambled memories.
Michael as in William gave Mike that Nightmare Pack so they can smoke it together to cope about C.C's death.
Yeah I agree
We need Scott to confirm at this point, this shit is getting out of hand now.
He gave us the fnaf 4 box said “it has the secrets to the puzzle” or some shit and never let us open it
No it was some kid in the tales.of pizza plex book it literally says it I don't rember which one it is
@@waterwaifu612Maybe the secrets of the Fnaf 3 puzzles. So Fnaf 4 is just more showings of the happiest day.
I think he confrimed we play as CC in the official character encyclopedia but the same book also said bon-bon was a she so im not sure
@@thebunniekid the books are a different continuity than the main game
i have a feeling william wanted michael to suffer crying child's fate by constantly putting him against animatronics in all the games, thats why cassidy is like "this is how it feels" in ucn,
this has to mean something since in fnaf 3 there's such an emphasis on fear and michael facing it.
(i also think this is why scott decided to make fnaf 4 abt the bite of 83, mike and his brother's fates are so connected mike got bit in 87 the same place, but survived and possibly why hes so willing to obey his father in sl, just speculation)
It's jeremy fitzgerald who got bit i think
@@Toyfredsfm fair however we know for a fact mike has atleast seen the fnaf 2 animatronics so 87 still could mean for mike, i cant think of a more satisfying explanation for the bite of 87
Yeah. Though I kinda doubt Mike is Jeramy or Fritz. Though this is a very good theory.
@@breathair69420 thank you! i have a theory for the names, maybe while mike was investigating the mci he used their names as coverups to find out more, but either way the diff names are odd but since they're related to the mci kids thats what i had in mind, maybe its the same with mike using the name schmidt, as a coverup with inspiration using henry's name since possibly by this point he's aware henry is a good guy
@@evan11cole97wait, do you mean Henry-father of Charlie that possesses the puppet, because if yes then i think you know that his name is Henry Emily
In all seriousness, I genuinely think it was always Scott intention that we were playing as Michael in the Fnaf 4 gameplay. An Easter egg everyone forgets is the night one phone guy reverse call. Unless crying child time travel, he cannot be able to hear that call because that’s in 1993 10 years later also he doesn’t know who phone guy is
Also, all of the animatronics almost do the exact same thing as the Fnaf 1 animatronics
Bonnie comes from the left chica comes from the right and Freddy and foxy you need to look at in order to stop them.
Based. It seems obvious in hindsight that Mike was always the FNaF 4 player, especially with how Scott said no one solved the story in 2015
@@zetorocks811 Scott saying that also deconfirms dream theory since he said, nobody got it after that theory release.
@@Sonicmid Yeah but he also said stuff like. "Why is the Toy Chica toy missing her beak," and "4 games, 1 story" causing more confusion.
yup you're spot on, if you look at the perspective of just the first three games existing, all fnaf4 couldve done was add depth to the actual player who is michael,
i beleive it was about michael making the worst mistake of his life and in order to make ammends he sets out a goal to set free all of the souls in fnaf 3
@@evan11cole97True. Though funnily enough Mike goesn't Free anyone's soul, After all he isn't Mangle,Toy Chica, Golden Freddy, Shadow Bonnie, or the Puppet . Unless you think Mike is Purple Guy. He never freed anyone. The Fire didn't really get rid of the Missing kids or Afton. because they all come back 2 games later.
In Fnaf 4 we are either C.C., Michael Afton, or Rory, the guy William Afton kidnapped and used hallucinogenic gas and blank mannequins to create his nightmares
The crying child is Evans Afton
dude why would we be rory, thats a totally seperate timeline from the games, in fnaf4 you're either mike or cc, and its most likely mike bc obv reasons
@@SpringTrapy_YT I know
@@SpringTrapy_YTwe don’t know his name
@@breathair69420 Yeah ppl call him that but he’s Evan Afton
My god, I always believed in the 2nd theory ever since FNAF 4 came out in 2015
*My idea is that we play as both…
(In my point, I believe CC died first, meaning SL hasn’t existed yet. But Freddy fazbears pizza existed, but here’s the thing, the incident hadn’t happened yet, meaning they wouldn’t bug out, therefore no night shift, especially evidently mike is a teen. Meaning he couldn’t work a dangerous job like this.)
1: We seem very small when we are walking, we can see this by how close to the floor we are, pointing towards us being BV/CC
2: the distorted phone call is something only mike would know of, pointing towards us being mike.
3: in this timeline, none of the Freddy locations existed except for FFD, meaning mike wouldn’t of heard this yet.
4: in the logbook, there was a drawing of nightmare Freddy, meaning mike would’ve definitely had these nightmares.
So, my theory..
C.C/BV, had them first, nightmares, and those made him even more scared of these animatronics. After mike accidentally killed his brother, Williams used the illusion discs to present this same punishment onto mike, the same thing BV/CC experienced, the same type of nightmares.
And my reason why cc died first…
Freddy fazbear’s pizza exists along with Fredbears as of the event, but the incident hasn’t happened yet, the SL animatronics were made to kill kids, there had to be something, to make him reach his breaking point, to create something like this, FREDBEAR And SPRING BONNIE, weren’t originally made to kill, so someone dying to it, could make him reach his breaking point, causing him to kill more, on purpose this time though. And for timeline purposes, we know the Freddy fazbears is open, based on the masks, but based on the handunit in SL, we know that Freddy fazbears has been closed, or atleast temporarily closed due to the police search required after the missing Children’s incident.* (And I understand if u say “TLDR”)
Freddie’s had to have been around in 1983, because of the masks that Michal and his friends used to torment his younger brother why else would these masks exist if Freddie’s didn’t exist yet, also in FNAF 2 which took place in 1987 just 4 years after the bite of 83, it’s called the NEW and IMPROVED Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza meaning that Freddie’s was around in the timeframe of 1983, to 1987 and the Freddie’s we see in 1987 is likely the second location of the Freddie’s brand, and Fredbear’s is an brand that’s separate from Freddie’s but are extremely similar so either the Freddie’s name is a rebranding to Fredbear’s or there was 2 people at play with making these restaurants for children and the Aftons was caught up in tragedy after tragedy that it was like they belonged there hence why Michal always came back time and time again knowing the danger he imposes on himself
@@lugismansion2400I stated that Freddy’s most likely existed as a precursor to FNAF 2 then FNAF 1, more of a version of the withereds, but fixed. And that it existed, but also it could’ve been cause of the “Fredbear and friends” show, which involved the four main animatronics, which didn’t exist yet, we know that Fredbears was made in 1979 so within those four years both the show and Freddy fazbears pizza could exist, but pointing to the fact, the missing children’s incident are the reason they act up, William afton still has all three of his kids, meaning he hasn’t reached his breaking point yet, based off some theories, it points to the fact the nightmare FREDBEAR, and nightmare are illusion disc animatronics, and not actual nightmares, while though the main nightmares are nightmares crying child had, and the illusion disc nightmares are the ones Michael had, So we can assume Michael did some nights and crying child did the other, So that’s just what I believe,
@@Gamer_Goodness but Freddie’s had to have existed not only because of the Withered animatronics in FNAF 2, but also due to the restaurant being branded as the new and improved Freddie’s, so either a, there was a previous Freddie’s within that timeframe of the first opening of Fredbear’s to the new and improved location, or b, the Fredbear’s Family Diner is the first Freddie’s restaurant and the originals might have been roaming animatronics or in the concept of being made into the FNAF 1 location’s animatronics which would explain why they looked so withered in FNAF 2 then again, we’ll never know until we get an official Fredbear’s game which would be neat imo
@@lugismansion2400 FNAF 2 is a prequel to FNAF 1, there was a pizzeria we DONT get a game for, that’s the second ever pizzeria, which is open during Fredbears for less than a year before the bite of ‘83, FNAF 4 was also technically a official Fredbears game, but I do agree on it would be cool to have a official FNAF 0. I’m saying, the Freddy’s location had to exist at some point before the bite of 1983, when they were both open, based on this info, we can say it exists, but the office location for the night shift shouldn’t exist yet, knowing the missing children’s incident hasn’t happened, since William hasn’t been (emotionally) broken yet, Therefore the animatronics won’t act up, since there’s no souls possessing the animatronics. So there’s no night shift for Michael to be In yet, meaning he wouldn’t of heard that in his life yet, I keep my evidence further.
@@Gamer_Goodness we also don’t have a Fredbear’s game yet as well
I don’t think we’re playing as C.C in FNAF four, I think we’re playing as Michael it seems pretty obvious from the beginning since C.C room layout is just completely different to that of the one we spend the night in. If you want more info I’ll happily explain
Honestly if we were playing as Crying Child we would be in the bedroom that we see in the Fnaf 4 minigame. The layout of the bedroom we play in in the main game of Fnaf 4 is different from the layout in the minigame. Therefore in the main game we are playing as Michael and in the Minigame we are C.C.
I think it’s possible that after night 5 (The bite of 83’) happened Michael was traumatised so after night five you play as Michael but…
*Only Scott Knows*
Were you tryna make a Markiplier reference? If not, then it wasn't the bite of 87 its the bite of 83
It’s the bite of 83
I agree but it's the bite of 83 not 87
Yeah Night 5 and maybe Night 6 can be Michael's night. Because the Body of 83 happens before we see Nightmare Fredbear.
@@selene88sakuraNah it was the Body of 83. Or Kiss.
I think it’s definitely C.c, because on the crying child’s page in the character encyclopaedia it states that he is “terrorised by the Nightmare Animatronics in his bedroom”
Personally I think it's mike having nightmares between shifts in Sister Location, since the bunker is below that house.
I’ve just realised I’m in this video 💀
im happy 4 u
Or, what I personally believe, is that BV was put through the experiments as a punishment for running away multiple times and BV is giving Michael the same experience he had to go through via Michael's nightmares.
Fnaf lore : *never ends*
Fnaf lore if mat pat didnt make theories:
Just some killer animatronics
That makes no sense.
So you're telling me that, William Aftin made 4 giant robots, put some illusion discs, just to troll Mickle? Nah
Option 3: it's crying childs nightmares in the coma
I think it's actually that Mike was tortured by his dad with the nightmares to keep him in line and as a way of punishing him for CC's death.
I remember playing this and one time I just stood there the whole time and did nothing yet I won
If C.C.'s dad William was a nightguard for a while, he might have brought C.C. to scare him further.
I think the first option is the correct one personally
This guy is the next Matt patt
Maybe though, we all know what Mike saw bc of the gameplay and all so he probably did have nightmares
That makes sense, but i think it could be a child that was a witness becuase they got scared and didnt want it to happen to them and what if william played the illouson disc by accident in fredbares dinner
We were never playing as crying child, we play as Michael but we play as crying child in the minigame
The first option is the most probable.
bros letting out his inner matpat
The lore behind the Fnaf 1 phone call was dream theory.
I think depending on the night is who you play as. It would make sense for the first 5 nights to be Michael since he was more exposed to the core 4 animatronics. The crying child would fit better in the night with nightmare since he supposedly represents death. Its also worth noting that the picture Mike drew could either be Nightmare or Nightmare Fredbear, they both look identical without any coloring.
The problem is that the minigames are the crying child's experiences, and there is even a hospital thing,I forgot what exact thing it was, but it was from a hospital. I possibly think that the night with Nightmare is Michael.
Not sure though.
Ah yes my favorite fnaf game "Final four" 💀
I heard people say that you can hear what sounds like doctors speaking and hospital machinery in fnaf 4. I don't know if it's true but if it is then you are definitely playing as CC
I'm not an expert on FNaF lore, but I feel like FNaF4 makes more sense if we're playing as the Crying Child. The nightmares paint the player as the victim of the situation. The Nightmare animatronics are directly attacking & scaring us. The game clearly doesn't paint us as suffering from guilt in any way. There's nothing anywhere to suggest that we're at fault for anything. It paints us as being the victim of the situation.
but there is details outside of the game and there is the fnaf 1 phone call desordered wic we play as michal in fnaf 1 so it has to be michal
@@cartooncatastrophe-ts6nn That doesn't give us credence to ignore all the signs that we play as the Crying Child. In addition to the Michael connections, there are details IN the game that only make sense if we are the Crying Child (for example, the existence of Plushtrap & Nightmare BB).
As such, those supposed details mean that either A. Michael IS the Crying Child, or B. the Michael stuff doesn't actually connect him to FNaF4 at all.
how does plushtrap and nightmare b.b have anything to do with crying child@@UnoriginalJokester
@@cartooncatastrophe-ts6nn Plushtrap is based on the finger-trap toy that one kid outside Fredbear's owns, and Nightmare BB is based on the balloon kid near the parking lot. Both of which only the Crying Child would reasonably be able to know or be afraid of.
My theory is that nights 1-5 we play as the Crying Child and it is his nightmares, and nights 6-8 are Micheal’s Nightmare feeling guilty after what he did to his brother. But it’s just a theory
Ok hear me out, You play as the crying child in that 4, and the fnaf 1 phone call comes from him hearing William making that call while he was asleep!
Fun fact mickeal face mirrors a real person face named rick
Rick...Astley!? 😱
@@fbi1083yes
I think the comics, the games and movie are different universes
Crying child’s page in fnaf encyclopedia says “The Crying Child is the main character in Five Nights at Freddy’s 4.”
What if Cassidy is doing this to Micheal as revenge for what he did to crying child. They would probably be somewhat friends being trapped in the robot.
In the books its doesn't seem like cassidy likes c.c
@@levenasha104 true.
Option 3:the player the purple guy as a kid
My personal theory is that we play as C.C during nights 1- maybe 5, then we play as Michael for the rest of the game
I think the bite of 83 happened and then William used ilusion discs/nightmare gas (as a like to call it) on Michael
option 3: fnaf 4 is steve from help wanted's dream & mike just played that game
Scott dear god confirm this people have been wondering for YEARS NOW
Michel scares us in fnaf 4 with the foxy mask
What I think is that fnaf 4 is cc reliving his memories in order to move on. He does this while inside the golden Freddy suit and while in the fnaf 1 pizzeria.
Makes sense and we’re way too small to be Mike
I do think that it is that micheals having reacuring nightmares, but i think thats caused by the crying childs memories of those nightmares. Basically, the fnaf book, "alone together", i think it was called, explaines that when someone is being haunted, a lot can happen, such as sometimes, the one being haunted can gain the gosts memories, as we likely see with micheal. That also must be why we can see some hospital equipment in the fnaf 4 bedroom, it was the last thing the crying child saw, or atleast was around. So, i believe that crying child was the one to have these nightmares in the first place, then, after the bite, he likely passed those memories onto micheal, hence why we hear phone guys voice.
Either those two or the cameras inside Williams house to keep an eye on Evan broke started having nightmares and William didn’t do anything😅
Because micheal is traumatized for what happened and started having nightmares about the animatronics
We play as Michael in the fourth game. There’s no doubt about that.
I think we’re Michael dreaming that we are Evan
I personally think both are technically the player. All the easter eggs etc point to Michael but the designs and logic point to CC. The house is underground hinted on the SL blueprints and confirmed in Dittophobia so to experience the events of Fnaf4 they would need to disappear for at least 8 days without anyone noticing, something nearly impossible to Michael as he has friends who would most likely question where he was and most likely attends school. Also Michael's a teen, taller than the player and old enough to understand the concept of "my dad locked me into an underground bunker to run human experiments on me" and for people to believe him, unlike CC who's a little kid and doesn't have friends. Also CC's very scared of the animatronics for an unknown reason and the bedroom is a kid's, not a teens, with a plushie on the bed and other toys on the floor like they're often played with, something which also is true for CC's room in the minigames. With all this I find it very unlikely that the one experiencing the gameplay is Michael. But what about the phone call and the bedside hospital items (which CC most likely didn't see)? That's when how Michael is the player comes in. Obviously CC wouldn't have heard the Fnaf 1 phone call (unless maybe if Golden Freddy was near) nor would he have seen the flowers, iv and pills by his bed so it has to be Michael's nightmare but CC experiencing it in the 80s and Michael having nightmares of it in the 90s aren't mutually exclusive since we have Alone Together which gives us signs of being haunted, one being *having memories that aren't yours* and during Fnaf 1 we see the player (most likely Michael) get the "it's me" messages from (most likely) Golden Freddy. So my answer is that Fnaf 4 is Michael during Fnaf 1 having nightmares of what CC experienced back in around 1983 mixed with his recent experiences at Freddy's and the memories of his brother's final moments. Most likely it's not what Scott intended but it ties everything together neatly
why would there be a medical kit then, and we are si small
It could be like fnaf 2 where you only play as Michael on the final night, considering thats the only time Nightmare appears, but thats just a theory
Nah I think Scott is just messing with us
no he dosent do that
His voice means do deceive you!
its both but you play as cc cause sometimes on late nights instead of a lamp u see a hospital thing
Bro the phone guy call is just an ester egg
A decade later we're still solving
My theory, is that its both. It DID happen with CC/Evan with illusions and the testing room, but when we play through it, its Mike seeing the nights in his dreams because of Golden Freddy
Option 3: C.C had nightmares before bite of 83, after he was bit, William punished mike and experimented on him with discs, so fnaf 4 gameplay is Michale
I say option 2 because think about golden Freddy was his best friend(talking about Evan)at this time and in the original game you get hunted down by him and this was right after the bite of 83” so mike was going crazy or he was smoking whatever that William Appleton was smoking when he killed 5 kids or 6 or 7 or his own children
Bro has more editing than the flash
This makes sense thats its c.c and not michael because the camera view is down and short but the camera view will be taller if michael were playing it, so i think its confirmed its c.c’s nightmares or a dream while he is in the hospital.
What if the nightmares were made to look like that bc crying child had nightmares and told William about them then he used crying child’s nightmares to scare Mike, would be good revenge
I miss watching the fnaf movie on peacock:( I remember that music from the moive
ORRR. After Michael killed c.c, William Punished him by playing the illusion disc's. The mini-games were just memories
FNaF 4 Story In 2015: We play as a child in a coma, having nightmares, until he dies.
FNaF 4 Story In 2024: Michael Afton turned off friendly fire and Nightmare smoked with him.
I still believe we play as crying child
It's easy
Crying child: og gameplay
Micheal: DLC
Scott, time we get a Q&A..
Phone guy thing was. Hinting at dream theory which is no longer cannon.How did no one realize this
cool theory
you have convinced me that fnaf 4's player is Michael afton. well done
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I have a idea the first five nights we play as Evan, but then the rest we plays as Michael
when you said "but still" I wanted to say "that's just a theoryy"...
Mabye its mike in the role of crying child experiencing the stuff crying child experienced
Option 3: somehow the therory of crying child being Michel is right
Y’all, it’s just CC.
CC is traumatized of the animatronics because of Micheal n his friends that scare him with their animatronic mask, that’s literally how he got these nightmares, William didn’t do shit.
There’s literally no clue of this, Micheal may have had these nightmares as well, however we never played him in FnaF4.
Reverse phone guy call ?
I feel like we play as the crying child because we play until a day by twelve eighty three , and that would mean that william did not go and say yes , and use the illusion disk on michael
in the first 5 nights you play as the crying child,
in night 6 and the other nights you play as micheal because the crying child died in the 5th night, that is why in night 6 micheal and william start talking to crying child who is in a coma and after dies
In fnaf 4 you play as both c.c and mike
I think the FNAF4 it’s the chying child telling Micheal what he passed at Micheal dreams
we don’t know who we played in Fnaf four even the Fnaf Wiki doesn’t confirm who is the player is
Yeah the phone thing was SOO weird
If Shadow Freddy was the agony of C.C., he can follow Michael and give him this nightmares, where he (Michael) in Afton's observatory, where C.C. can be before the bite
Or Michael is possessed by crying child and he's making relive his "nightmares" (illusions).
Wait it’s weird that we hear a distorted phone guy call because at that time (1983) Michael hasn’t worked his first night shift at Freddy’s yet. His first time hearing Phone Guy was in 1993 and FNAF 4 is in 1983, which is 10 years prior. I also think that we play as Michael but the whole Phone Guy thing doesn’t really add up. (No hate I love your videos and I’m a huge fan :) )
I'd see option 1 as more possible
I mean like, Evan/Chris/ C.C never saw the fnaf 1 location animatronics unless they were in the works? Right? Only Michael did because he worked there
My theory is that after the bite of 83 we play as Michael because William Afton uses the illusion discs to teach Michael a lesson for letting his brother "kiss fredbear" but who knows I might be wrong 🤔
My theory is that we play as the crying child in fnaf 4 and die about a week later due to the injury from the bite,and that golden freddy is only possessed by Cassidy.Edit sorry I forgot about that.
Why do we hear the phone calls in fnaf 4. And why does golden freddy say "its me"
@@boyhowdy682I guess this is more hint of Purple Guy-Phone Guy. Which get debunked in the next game funnily enough lol.
I think it’s the first one. Because CC obviously knows about the nightmares
how
The distorted call is just an easter egg
3:Michael Is The Crying Child Who Somehow Survived
The Bite of 83☝️
Michael is not the crying child and the crying child did not survive.
@@Ayandarue The 1st TFTPP Book
Reveals That Remnant Can Save People From Certain Death Witch Means C.C
Could Have Been Saved With Remnant
From William Afton
It could make sense, since the distorted audio doesn’t make sense if it comes for the c.c because it doesn’t. It only comes from a one person in this franchise none other than Micheal himself. Yet this one trip of a lore takes a time to learn :’] oh well I mean I see it as an adventure collecting pieces to this lore.
Also cool theories man! Keep up the great work there!
Michal is who we play as for nights 1-6 and on the 7th night we play as crying child