I've always seen CC not being able to see being due to the fact that Fredbear crushed a good amount of his head, eyes included (or maybe in the surgery that tried to save him he had to get his eyes removed), but the idea of him just being a walkie-talkie is on the same level of amusing as the idea of phone guy possessing the FNaF1's phone and I'm so in for it XD
This is very good video. If we take what we know about FNaF possessions, the two contenders that fit the criteria the best is Fredbear plush and the Fredbear animatronic. Shatter victim seems more like an explanation from convenience rather than based from something based within the universe.
A lot of characters in the books are able to use there emotions to manifest things into reality Henry straight up does this to make robots Charlie Edwin does this to make the mimic Granny Foster can predict the future and manipulate reality simply because they believe they could Matt, (yes the spring trap impregnation guy) brings a piece of code to life with his anger Phineas tagger create crystals with his own thoughts Greg and kindly influence a random number generator just with their own thoughts
@@danielroberts8049 Except the other little detail that they were explicitly stated to be canon, by Scott. They are in a different continuity, and there are major differences, but they are still canon. ShatterVictim is the most satisfying explanation we have for what is happening in the FNAF 3 secret minigames, what is happening in FNAF World, and why CC is never actually grouped up with Gabriel's team (unless you believe CC is the HD reciever, which is totally plausible, but then begs the question of where Cassidy is)
you ever hear that one theory that has both plushvictim and golden duo by saying the possessed fredbear plush containing bv was put inside the fredbear suit, the same way how the ella doll that contains charlies memory or whatever was put inside the charlie bots to give them life
I'd always assumed that since he died from being crushed by fredbear's jaws, he could've possessed it. Either by virtue of it being the cause of death or being injured so badly that death was inevitable. In essence, he "died" the moment the mouth shut and crushed him.
I just wanted to point out that there is a real-world plushy of the Psychic Friend Fredbear Plush that is labeled as possessed. You could argue it's a toy, so it doesn't couldn't. However, they could have named it anything yet they went with possessed. Personally, as soon as I heard the theory from GiBi, I believed it because I always had a problem with CC possessing Fredbear despite not dying near it.
The bite victim is a literal Achilles heel when it comes to theorizing that people will tear to shreds. People response examples I see often. Bite victim motive: this guy is imply willgrief get em!! Bite victim receiver: reading comprehension much? Its like if your not conforming to a theory your just gonna be attacked for trying to involve bite victim in anyway that goes against the consensus. I personally still believe he’s the receiver as he’s the only one we specifically know game wise had a birthday and if happiest day is about happy memories releasing the spirits then he’s the perfect fit other then still needing a connection to the MCI and why they can only move on when he does. But again people will say it’s wrong and say Cassidy has to be the receiver cause the puppet is handing her cake (justified and no way to argue that)
Cassidy is the receiver because the story was supposed to end at 3 and cc didn’t exist. Scott only made 1 retcon which happend during Sl and it definitely not that Also vr 2 shows that the spirit moved on and grave orders is the order of Fnaf 3 secret minigame You can get Freddy any time before happiest day so he can be 3rd
@@mylam658 the name no but the character but the victim yes. Fnaf used to be a story where you were supposed to fill in the blanks characters however in order to expand the story
Y'know as a ShatterVictimer, I can confirm that BV's connection with the MCI is always the #1 problem when it comes to this theory. The only real reason as to why I even believe it is because it sorta gives him a significance as Molten Freddy just like you said. Anyways, this was a fun video! The idea of BV becoming the thing that kept him company before his death is honestly kinda heartwarming. It might not be the best, but this is the only theory you get without the "distance" issue if you don't like FollowVictim.
Imo the core memories go in the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics. The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends. Those 5 characters friends are the things that kill him. This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you”
@@Eddbruh83also I like to add the reasons why Cassidy can talk to Bv is because he poured his emotions in Fredbear. He cried inside him. It not the real him it just a memory
Scott seems to implement visual story-telling very intentionally; I agree with you that to introduce two visually distinct forms of communication in the work book (altered text & faded text) but for it to be the same character makes no sense; one format then would have been enough (especially because Mike is writing with red ink; having more "types" then character clutters the narrative illogically). I think what we need to ask is; "Why do we need to know he can't see?" from a writing perspective, details only need to exist or truly add to the story if it helps to inform us about something or "sets the mood". In horror many details exist just to be creepy (mention of body fluids, suggestions of feeling trapped or alone), because the story playing with your sensory emotions is central to that genre. With a mystery every detail is either a true hint or a red herring. One easy way to distinguish between them is that if a detail seems to be given but it doesn't immediately cause you to think of something else then it probably is a genuine detail meant to inform you better about the situation. All of that said, what benefit is it to tell us details like "I can't see" unless Scott is directly trying to suggest that information can tell us something? We never wonder if the other ghosts see things; being told that a specific ghost cannot see suggests it is existing under different conditions then all the others.
I actually like and agree with the idea that he actually possess the plush. I can imagine it being something for Mike to stay determined and focus on his goals.
So... i got 2 ideas. 1: When you say plush and FNAF 6, i immediately imagine Helpy. What if... BV possesses Helpy? Maybe Mike turned the plushie into Helpy. Which would explain Helpy's cute and childish personality, and why he's always with Mike, because he's his brother. Or maybe BV's spirit follows Mike, but shows himself in the form of Helpy as a friend (?). And 2: Possession is not necessary for lingering. While the idea is 10 times better, as we can see in Alone Together, ghosts in general just exist. They don't need to attach themselves to a toy or an animatronic to keep existing. So, it's an answer! Not a satisfying one to me, but it's one...
I still cant tell if fnaf 6 set the BV free or fnaf 3 Happiest day did. Honestly for some reason i feel like he was with Mike at the end though. Because thats where William Michael and Elizabeth are. It feels... More potent that all the family is there in some way. (Ignore Ms CEO afton, obviously. /J)
Plush Victim is an interesting theory, and it has as much if not more validity than any other theory regarding him considering how little we really know about him That said something caught my attention while watching this video and made me think “ Huh, that’d be really stupid if correct cause where were any of the signs” But imagine if somehow the figure of Helpy in the office in FNAF 6 was somehow supposed to be like an upgraded version of the plush, and that’s where the BV is hiding in 6. And all the mini games being done with him is like Mike letting him play in the perfect pizzeria and enjoy things he didn’t get a chance to as a kid. Again, 0 evidence for this and this is definitely not what Scott was thinking at the time of making 6, but it crossed my mind and felt like sharing it Keep up the good work Strange Avian Creature
I honestly think Molten Freddy's "One big happy family" line has to do with how the Afton family is together again in Pizza Sim. However, I also think that if you look at the Funtimes, you realize each one is modelled on a member of the Afton Family. William built animatronics to represent his family. Ballora for his wife, Baby for his daughter, Funtime Foxy for Mike, and Funtime Freddy for CC (with BonBon being Psychic Friend Fredbear, the thing that soothes him). This also ties back into Immortal and the Restless in a way. A lot of people think the vampire is William and that Clara is his wife, with the baby being Mike, his misfit son, but the show calls Clara a "mistress", or illegitimate love interest, so it's possible that if you think about who Yenndo might be... that Cassidy could be William's illegitimate son (yes, son, TOYSNHK uses he/him and Cassidy is a unisex name). This would explain why Cassidy is TOYSNHK in the first place, but I digress.
One thing to point out is that in the fnaf movie novel, Vanessa says Garret doesn't posses anyone, and that tracks with the cut scenes in the film of him just running about His actor was also holding a fredbear plush in a bts image
Great video. I have to think some more on it... I really, really like it though. I've kinda leaned Plushvictim a while and you listed all the logical reasons that I just absorbed and never knew why I felt the way I did. (At this point I just sorta seek out more satisfying naratives than what we got, I suppose. Even if this isn't the intended 'canon' explaination, we will never get one so may as well find one I like.) What would "I will put you back together" Mean in this context?
My current idea is that BV possesses the Fredbear Plush and William takes it to his underground facility. When he begins his remnant experiments, he realizes that there's a possibility his son is in the plush, so he starts experimenting with the remnant within his plush. Since remnant is heavily tied to memory, this causes his memory to become shattered, his remnant split across various objects William used for his remnant experiments, including the MCI animatronics. This is how BV's memories become attached to the MCI kids for ShatterVictim to work. Another idea I toyed with is that BV's remnant is put in the remnant reservoir of the Scooper and that his remnant was directly injected into Mike, BV attaching himself to Mike which would explain why Mike is still alive, BV kept him alive, similar to how Andrew kept William alive in the novels. This could also explain the FNAF 4 Nightmares, BV's memories and maybe even his agony is attached to Mike, causing him to experience the nightmares that mix the experiments with FNAF 1 and the Bite of '83 into one big nightmare until the Logbook happens and BV recovers more of his memories with the help of Cassidy.
bro ur a genius I never even thought about how the walkie talkie inside the plush is technically the metal inside of it. Cuz I think the possession does need metal since it’s based off of the joy of creation line and the autobiography of a yogi where the remnant is just an imprint of the electrical pathways from your nervous system onto a metal component and since both conducts electricity it is a way for metal to gain consciousness. So that’s why I think agony is just like the means in which remnant is made. The souls idea is connected to the memories of the dead so putting someone back together is to return their memories and personality to them and I think that’s why once Elizabeth is put back together she starts acting in service of Afton but before she was fed up with him and wanted to leave.
Hard agree on your points against ShatterVictim, I can't even begin to describe how funny it is when ShatterVictim believers try to tell me that GoldenDuo is impossible because of the distance argument. Like, bro, the Classics weren't in the hospital room either, were they? On the theory itself, whilst I agree that it works on a logistical stand point, the evidence that it actually does happen is pretty lacking. I know you brought up "what WOULD the plush do" but it could like mess with the cameras, or at least look at you or something. Additionally, I do see you point on it being weird that they'd ask each others names if they've known each other for decades, but on the other hand Cassidy asks extremely personal stuff like "was your favourite toy a blue plastic telephone?" There's no way she'd ask that sort of question to a complete stranger. I personally think the logbook is picking up on various bits and pieces of conversation they've had over the years, rather than just one conversation they're having at the time.
They go into the animatronics because Bv doesn’t see them as his friends anymore The 5 characters, he considers his friends are the 5 characters that get him killed. The bullies ruined his view of the characters. The 4 killed him and essentially laughed at him in his final moments. This is why foxy is missing his head because Mike kept bullying him with the foxy mask it ruined his image of the character he no longer considers him his friend That agony of being betrayed by his friends is why they get the animatronics get 5 core memories Glitchbear line “you don’t believe that do you” shows that he didn’t actually believe what the speaker was saying. We know the memories of him split after he dies, because Bonnie victim has the void/death memory which is why he’s the darkest one out of all of them.
@@Sonicmid I don't see how this has anything to do with my point. Also, forgive me saying this, but this all seems like assumptions without any substantial evidence backing it, I don't see the logic here. (which seems to be my thoughts on most ShatterVictim explanations now that I think about it)
@@randomrhino4371 you said you didn’t get how the memories could go into the characters since they’re not there there is a lot of characters in the books can manifest their emotions and into reality This is how Henry made robot Charlie. He really wanted his daughter back so his emotions made his desires come true. This is also for Edwin made the mimic. He really wanted to make something for his son and that emotion made things much faster
@@Sonicmid you answered _why_ you think they do, but not *how.* The distance problem remains unaddressed. He doesn't even have a connection to the actual characters, just the plushies and the masks, which wouldn't count. At least with Fredbear he has a strong, well established connection with the actual Fredbear, whereas, for all we know, he may not have even to Freddy's ever. Why would he? Fredbear’s is right next door.
@@randomrhino4371 Freddy and its characters are implied to have existed since the 1940s thanks to the singing the FredBears sing show and fall fest. It very likely that Freddy and Fredbear coexisted in 1983 (I personally believe they were once the same character, but they got split to make more money since FredBear is also called Freddy in the singing show)
This is really plausible and I have no idea why no one thought of it sooner (that I know of). I'd argue that it's possible for the Bite Victim to be gone before the events of FNAF 6 and that being the reason he's not mentioned. Maybe I'm missing something, but the idea that Psychic Friend Bite Victim and Cassidy interacted through the logbook during FNAF 3, the game that has Happiest Day which seems to be connected to the Bite Victim because of FNAF World, makes it so that it doesn't sound like much of a stretch to say that BV moved on before the events of FNAF 6. I can see my idea being a problem in a few ways though, mostly in terms of storytelling and themes. Why would BV wear a mask like the MCI victims if he didn't possess a fullass animatronic? And if we justify that saying the MCI kids are paralleling the masked bullies, why would the Marionette be there? Just to bring the cake? Couldn't they have told Gabriel to do something for once? Idk
I think it should be considered that the bite victim might not *need* to be in fnaf 6. If he isn't involved in molten MCI, then there wouldn't be any of him in molten freddy's remnant slurry. It's possible imo that happiest day was enough yo free BV in one go without any extra fire to finish the job like with the MCI kids
But did Michael have access to the plushie? The office room in the SL bunker was never entered in the canon ending to SL, and I can't think of much reason for Ennard to puppet Michael into there before leaving. Maybe I missed something. I'd also note, why would we assume that the plush in the office with the walkie talkie is the one the BV had near him? I thought it was fairly easy to assume that it was William's end of the plush, where he talked from. Considering it's in his office.
I personally think ShatterVictim has way too much going for it to not be true, but the How has always been the biggest problem But I think I have 2 decent explanations for how ShatterVictim couldve happened First is that BV's biggest fear is that the animatronics would eat him and then with the MCI kids, they're stuffed by either William or the Puppet, which would be fullfilling Crying Child's biggest fear (even more than it was already). And for the Puppet, the Bite probably happened close enough to Charlies death that BV was able to latch onto the puppet Alternatively, Give Gifts Give Life might be when it happened, the story of the five keys and the woman is likely about GGGL imo, what if the keys were BV's soul/memories, and by giving the mci BV's remnant(?) she actually trapped the mci kids even more. In fnaf 3's Happiest Day minigames, the MCI kids are trapped within BV's memories, and have to be freed by completing the minigames
Imo the core memories go in the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics. The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends. Those 5 characters friends are the things that kill him. This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you” Give gifts give life it’s just the puppet making the kids aware that they’re dead and possess the suits golden Freddy jump scares because he already knew that.
does cc really need to possess anyone tho? I always found it dumb that seemingly no one ever argues that. We already know the 5 kids in MCI so I feel this idea that he has to possess something is way to pressed upon. It's at least noting that he doesn't have to possess shit and can just be a stand alone death especially given where he died if we assume it's CC's POV in fnaf 4 at least at the time and for anyone that argues that that's Michael's POV then I would also argue that if that's true then u can't use the fact that CC is seen "dying" next to PFFB in 8-bit.
On where the crying child/plush is in FNAF6: Help Wanted 2 points to the endos of the 4 classics being melted down. Golden Freddy isn’t clearly present there, nor do we see Golden Freddy get dismantled in follow me. Based on UCN lines, the vengeful spirit has attached itself to William by the time of FNAF3, in talking about ‘no matter how many times they burn us’. Happiest day and candy cadet all revolve around 5 spirits, not 6. So, hypothesis - during the process of William dismantling the various animatronics at the closed FNAF1 location, he starts with Golden Freddy and screws up somehow. He tries to extract remnant but ends up getting some on him, or in him, or something just doesn’t go to plan. This allows Cassidy to either jump into William or into Spring Bonnie. The other 4 classics get taken apart and melted down so that they can be injected into the funtimes or whatever. If we go with the idea that everything started with Bite Victim and possessing the plushie, William’s experiments might have all been about finding a way to give BV a better body, especially after what he learned about Elizabeth. So what if William included the plush (or the internal electronic components of it) in the remnant mixture with the original 4. This puts BV and the other 4 MCI together in Ennard/Molten Freddy, with their minds all mixed up and needing to be put back together. And some of that remnant ends up inside Mike as well, which connects to his fnaf4 dreams, fnaf3 hallucinations, etc. Meanwhile Cassidy is hitching on Springtrap. So when Mike and William are both at the Fright, Cassidy and BV can talk. Alternatively, Mike brings the plushie with him to work at FNAF3. This brings Cassidy and BV in proximity. BV ends up being left behind in the fire, along with other stuff, and Molten Freddy is a result of Ennard going to Fazbear’s Fright and absorbing pieces of stuff left over after the fire, allowing it to pick up BV there. Third option: Henry gets the blueprints of William’s robotics company, so he likely had found the same bunker Mike visited. If the plush was still there, Henry might have brought it with him to the Simulator especially if he was able to figure out it was also possessed.
I think the possessed plush theory is the best we’ve got. Especially considering the “parallel” (you used a different word recently I don’t remember) with the silver eyes where Charlie possesses a doll that is moved from robot to robot.
I just don't consider BV to be possessing anything just a lost wandering spirit. But if he were possessing anything this fits the best in current canon.
I can't be the only one who thinks the FNAF 4 story is really sad. That kid is bullied to the point that it kills him, and he dies alone with nothing but his imaginary friends and (unknowingly to him) his dad speaking from a walkie-talkie in his favorite plushie. And then he doesn't even get to rest and is trapped in a dark void for who knows how long.
before i was like hardcore plushvictim for different reasons cuz in frights jake would turn into simon, alec would swap with lonely freddy implying plush victim, im not so much anymore cuz i learned its probably not a best idea to extrapolate ideas onto the game continuity without game evidence, and like something along the lines of what you said, there's barely anything connecting bv to anything and there's a lot of "bending" or sus parts of every bv theory (that's why idk what he is but he's prob there somewhere as shown in fnaf world and the logbook) technically as well, he technically doesn't die near the plush, since if i recall, the plush fades away before bv flatlines so he dies either all alone or with Mike
Wouldn't it just be possible that when Golden Freddy was merely a form BV can take. It makes sense as Golden Freddy is stuck in suit mode and can't move yet he appears and disappears and causes hallucinations. It can easily be that BV takes the form of the suit and also the plush, they both like i said can't move even while possessed and are locked away. That would mean that the Vengeful spirit would also be connected to BV as the Vengeful spirit also takes the form of GG.
I don't know if it's a reasonable assumption to say that Mike ever found the plush in the private room. Because he didn't go there during SL, that's the fake ending. He went to the scooping room and became a more hollow Mike. So he'd have to, after possessing his own corpse, go back to the bunker and find it. It's a similar leap of "this person has to go to the bunker offscreen" to MoltenMCI, and I don't really believe MoltenMCI either. I think it's an interesting idea to consider, as well as if William knew that the plush was possessed. Because if he did, would he not have tried transferring the remnant? I don't know, I'm coming up with this as I write it. But I do think it's possible the remnant in the scooper that gets injected into Mike could've been the Crying Child's.
Theory around "Does he still talk to you?" -- What if that Implies SL --> FNAF4 --> FNAF World --> FNAF3 --> FFPS --> UCN? Logic; What if Mike sees the private room and immediately recognizes that plush and feels entitled to just take it? There's evidence that Mike is a bit of a jerk as an adult, even if he regrets being a bully to his brother. Then Mike dies and what if his undead state allows him to communicate with the plush? He has to hide in shadows now, so maybe that implies he is hiding inside of his house which seems to be his family home that shares decorations with the interior spaces of FNAF4. So he's hiding with a plush that now speaks with him because he is dead and it is dead so to speak. He experiences FNAF4, having nothing to interrupt his life now as he can't really go out anymore. The phone dude calls; someone he already knew, someone who wants him as the nightguard because Mike was a nightguard so he fits in literally as a part of an attraction paying tribute to the old franchise. Mikes takes the job, he's undead, surrounded by elements of the old robots; the spirits talk with him. They coach him into playing the arcade machines; the machines that were sealed in that back room with ol' Willy and that contain the ghosts now, where they hide now, because the animatronics are gone (remember how they fade out in the backroom after Afton is springlocked). One of the ghosts has done the legwork of FNAF World already, in all the time between "Follow me" and FNAF3. Mike completes the task and Happiest day happens; thus the Fredbear plush stops talking to him. It stops talking, because BV is gone now... But Cassidy did not leave. When Mike sets the Fazbear Frights attraction, he takes with him a "work book" (children's coloring activity book themed around the attraction) and notices... Notices now that there is faded text. Maybe he was genuinely doodling in it over the week of working FNAF3 and saw the altered text, but perhaps he notices the faded text now... Trying to talk to him; "Does he still talk to you?" It asks... And Mike realizes that out there, somewhere, there is a spirit still not at rest. He missed one, or more? He did what he did, the plush is no longer haunted... But there is at least one still out there, haunting him; that yellow one he saw all the way back in 1987. So he sees an ad later in the paper... And knows it's for him. Who else could it be for? There's still work to be done; he knows Willy physically exists somewhere, he knows Enard is out there... He knows the angry faded text refused to pass on and he knows... He knows... That voice on the tapes. It needs to end; he needs to answer that ad in the paper and stop hiding inside of his house.
Hi @Sire Squawks I have a question - do you believe that because Stingers have Charlie after FFPS, does this mean that in games it is also after FFPS? After all, HD will happen either after FFPS or during or after UCN, and the Puppet mask falls slower.I would like to ask you for an answer or a video devoted to this topic. Also my 2 other suggestions are what does OMC minigame mean - Cassidy leaving UCN? Cassidy returns from OMC minigame to UCN? And my last proposition this is your opinion about Toy Chica The Highschool Years - who is who and who does Foxy's hook represent, if you don't believe in Andrew in games. Thanks in advance for your reply
Honestly I really do agree with this theory. My only real problem is that the sister location where we see Psychic friend fredbear is that the ending isn’t canon. So Michael doesn’t see that plushie unless it’s like a fnaf 3 thing where Scott thinks both endings are Sorta canon or whatever he said. But idk maybe you mentioned this and I just didn’t catch it.
It's an interesting thought, but I feel like the only evidence that resonated with me is BV being physically near the plush as he dies. If that's the case, then what are the rules for this world? when people die near mechanical objects or electronics, they just possess them? If Mike is the protag for fnaf 1 gameplay, for what reason does golden freddy have to say ITS ME. Furthermore, if golden freddy has ghostly properties and can phase into and out of your office creating hallucinations, why can't the BV do the same in the plush during SL ennard night? I don't think him being scared and confused warrants his inaction there. SL was made to kind of push the narrative from dream theory (whether you believe that was the case or not, it's definitely something the community at least considered at the time) to more concrete events and happenstance. It's possible that william brought the plush knowing it was possessed down to the bunker, but that doesn't excuse the concrete detail that when typing in 1983, you see camera footage and not to mention the plush has a microphone. There are multiple plushes, so I feel like it's Scott literally just pointing out that fredbear isn't a manifestation or psychic friend, but a tool used by william. Therefore, BV wouldn't really have any attachment to any ONE plush. There are weird rules concerning golden freddy and while I think plush victim definitely could be the case, I'm not placing any bets.
I would really like if you watch WCM0211 video about his shatter victim theory about the Crying Child. That really gave me a new perspectiv about the line "I will put you back together."
I don’t think so. In my opinion, I don’t think the Fredbear Plush in 4 mini games is real. It’s main goals in night 1-5 is to add to CC tournament. By the time of night 4 minigame he disappears almost like he doesn’t need him anymore. The plush in Bv is likely just his imagination and the final speakers is probably William. In my opinion, I think the Fredbear in nights 1-5 is shadow Freddy. He gets a physical form once bite victim dies. Which is implied by his broken jaw world. As for how he is also William wickedness, I believe the plush gain sentence because William put his son in the nightmare experiment chambers. He wanted to experiment with ability to manifest things into reality through his emotions. I believe he only use nightmare Fredbear on him though explaining his fear of the yellow suits Also in order to possess something you have to be near it or in Jake cases want to be it which Bv does none
I always thought that the good ending of FNaF3 was canon, hence why 6 never really gives us much on the bite victim or MCI kids (unless you believe in MCI which is… definitely plausible, but not super heavily implied)
I heard a theory that the crying child possess the Fredbear plush and the Fredbear plush is inside golden Freddy like the Ella doll in the novels, I like that theory but I believe that CC possessed the Fredbear plush and then attached his soul to Fredbear some days after his death.
That doesn’t make sense tho golden Freddy is in a real physical suit he’s a spirit that’s how he’s able to turn into a giant floating head and take the form of any Freddy.
This is certainly an interesting one. If this is true, and the games are running with it: One thing I think would be cool to see to confirm it is, following the Fourth Closet logic; near the end of the Pizzaplex Era, Gregory revealing that he has this plushie inside his chest cavity... (Also following Fourth Closet logic; probably has to remember it first I imagine, I doubt he'd be aware he's a robot at this point in the story...[if he even is one ofc]) Certainly would make a fun parallel to him being inside Glamrock Frebby's chest cavity the whole time in Security Breach. Plush Freddy inside Gregory inside Glam Freddy.. Chest Cavity-ception... Or was it called a stomach hatch? Stomach Hatch-ception?... either way I'm done talking......
I think crying childs soul moved on during happiest day in FNAF 3, explaining the lack of him in FNAF 6. You set up happiest day for him in FNAF world and then it takes place in FNAF 3. Scott said that the true ending of FNAF 3 is somewhere in the middle of the good and bad ending in the interview. I think this is decent evidence to show that he moved on at that point and his soul was the only one freed compared to everyone's. This would be in the middle of the two endings, lining up with what Scott said. Also, theres one more piece of evidence that I would like to point out. The official Fredbear plush is titled "Possessed Fredbear" which is a weird name to pick if it didn't mean anything.
Honestly unless Scott literally confirms this there is no way to exactly know how possession works and the quiteria for it IIRC the Fazbear Frights books mentioned how remenant doesn't exactly follow any concrete science it's literally supernatural I don't see any logical way to explain Micheal casually bringing a plush with him to the FNAF 3 location and for it to somehow communicate with the funny yellow bear CC just possessing Fredbear and the logbook being some weird manifestation of their conversation after Cassidy comes into play makes more sense to me using Occam's razor The reason why the logbook only has things from FNAF 3 and prior could be because CC moved on after FNAF 3 possibly due to the events of FNAF World which would also explain CC not being in FNAF 6
We do actually know how possession works according to William “ the spirit follows the flesh so it would seem” In order to possess something, you have to be inside or touch it. Possesses after hugging her dying corpse Elizabeth possesses baby because she died in side her MCI kids possess the animatronics after dying inside them Dci kids:… OK this is weird but they probably possess the toys or Jake case you really reallly wanna to be it.
@@Sonicmid William believed that fire could destroy remenant according to the blueprints in FNAF 6 IIRC In general characters in a story can be misled or believe in the wrong things they don't know anymore than we do
@@ZigyTheBird One thing I've always seen people overlook about the scooper blueprints is that it says "There is a possibility that overheating might neutralize the effects permanently" showing that William wasn't even sure that heat permanently destroys remnant, just that it's a possibility. People somehow saw that and said "Welp fire destroys remnant" which isn't even what's said. That's why I get pissed off about people complaining about bringing characters back after FNAF 6 because the scooper blueprints themselves say it's only a possibility that fire destroyed remnant not a guarantee. Idk, what do you think about that?
@@BLAKEx2O we practically know that fire doesn't do anything now Whether that was always the intent or not IDK but there is nothing 100% proving that fire was supposed to destroy remnant Afton was just speculating I guess just like a FNAF theorist But that doesn't mean people don't have the right to be mad about the direction the story took because honestly it could have been way better
@@ZigyTheBird I agree with you 100%, the story could have branched off better. I agree with you there, I just get annoyed when people try to use the “Oh Henry’s sacrifice now means nothing” because Henry’s plan was never guaranteed to work anyway. More people would have realized this if they actually looked at the blueprints. It’s also why I cannot stress enough how much context clues matter. The scooper blueprints show that remnant being destroyed by fire was never certain just a potential outcome. Less people would be complaining if big CZcamsrs like MatPat and all actually looked at those blueprints properly. I blame big CZcamsrs like MatPat more than anyone else for looking over something so important and feeding a misinformed conclusion to millions of FNaF fans.
I dunno, this one is kinda like the Mike helping Will theory where it’s totally feasible but there’s just not enough hard evidence for me to really consider it. Like if BV *does* possess Fredbear it must not be that big of a deal because we *never* see the plush doing anything that implies possession. And, again, it’s not in FNaF6.
4:05 the memories go into the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics. The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends. This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you” line by glitchbear Also shatter victim is more than just his memories going into the animatronics. It’s the idea that my victims memories create almost everything in the series it’s essentially dream theory but real The toys,bb,mangle, withered animatronics, baby design, the shadow animatronics, foxy being out of order in Fnaf 1, foxy jumpscares, Fnaf 2 hall, grandfather clock, Fnaf 1 office and sister locations gameplay being a repeat 4 mini games, They all come from his memories The main characters that represent him are Puppet, ennard, And molten Freddy When ennard say there a piece of him in side everybody he wasn’t lying every has a part of BV in them. ( also his birthday hat as well) The Bv Cassidy talks to you isn’t the real BV it’s just a disconnected memory of him. why he can’t remember anything. The reason why Cassidy has this is because BV poured his emotions into fredbear when he cried inside him.
@@Flowermations The Shadow animatronics: fredbear and spring Bonnie Shadows that scare him grandfater clock 6:00am : the ones that is in this house. Springtrap design: plushtrap Fnaf 2 hallway: experiment room, plustraps hallway Fnaf 1 office: the experimental room jj being under the desk: A reference to bite victim hiding under the desk endo 02: bite victim fear of the Endo in the back room the toys: the toys on the playground bb and mangle: the balloon kid and broken mangle toy . Golden Freddy floating head: the FredBear head in parts and service Foxy being out of order in fnaf 1: His plushie which also out of order Fnaf 1 Foxy jumpscare: Mike 2nd jumpscare Fnaf 2 foxy jumpscare: Mike bed jump scare spring Bonnie being the evil one: he's the only one who's not shown in fredbear and Friends tv show animatronics coming to life and putting people into suits: pigtail girl story " Mike being tortured by 4 animatronics that covered the left side and right side: It's a reference to the bite of 83. foxy and bonnie are on the same side because they are the ones who held crying child while and Chica and Freddy come from the same side because they're the ones who were watching not holding him. withered Freddy and withered Bonnie's buttons: the plushies with those buttons ( if you believe the unwithered don’t exist then these plushies are what make the withered animatronics? withered chica having her arms out: a reference to the toy girl who does the same pose Springtrap name: “Where's your plush toy? Mine is Spring Bonnie. My daddy says I have to be careful with him or I will pinch my finger. He is a finger trap, he says.” Spring traps green design: plustrap Puppet: bite victim himself Baby design: bite victims memory of the girl who made the stories about animatronics hunting down people. Pigtail girl Sister locations gameplay: basically Fnaf 4 mini games repeated, but this time for Mike Ennard mask: bite victim, after he’s finally put back together everything this is also why ennard puppet mask looks similar Fnaf 1 office: the Fnaf 4 experiment room Fnaf 2 office: plushtrap hallway why is tiny toy chica missing her beak: because bite victims memory makes her do that What is seen in shadow is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child: Bv misunderstanding the shadows he saw is what made the shadow designs later on. 4 games one story: fnaf can’t happen without 4 since that the game that starts everything
I kind of wonder if it’s… both. I don’t exactly know how it would work in connection to the Logbook, but is there any reason to believe that Afton couldn’t have transferred CC’s soul into Golden Freddy? I mean, he said he’d put him back together. If this were to be the case, my best guess to make sense of the logbook would be that… for some fuckin’ reason the rules still apply. I don’t know, it’s all weird, especially since Andrew and Jake… exist, and feel like they’re supposed to connect to Golden Freddy _somehow._
first thing, willGRIEF is debunked, second, cc was just a random accidental death that made fredbear's close down, why would afton need cc if he already have the remnant of the mci
@@siresquawks BV's memories influence the events of the fnaf timeline after his death and it is only stopped after he is put back together, here's the creator's shortened explanation: "Basically memories stick around in fnaf. BV’s memories stick around. That’s why there were all those references and Easter eggs in fnaf 4 that people thought were for dream theory like the toy chica missing her beak. The Fredbear plush gains life from the BV. Fredbear puts BV back together in the happiest day. I also point out how memories are used in association with BV. In the logbook, BV forgets stuff, and at the end of fnaf 4, there’s the box which has above it 'Perhaps some things are best left forgotten, for now.'" And here's a sentence from the original post that sums it up pretty well: "BV’s memories stick around and cause all the pain and agony of the series."
@@LiMe251 Yeah I'm aware of the idea. Maybe to an extent there's something to it but it feels a tiny bit under developed to me in some spots- similar to plush victim actually.
CC was really mistreated by Scott. Fnaf 4 makes him a protagonist and important character for the entire story. Fnaf World Clock Ending Route further emphasizes that( I am still confused how this game can exist in universe and outside of it at the same time but whatever). Fnaf SL just says Fnaf 4 is some big experiment by William and CC was being watched and possibly talked to by him. Fnaf 6 and UCN have no direct references to him. Security Logbook says he still exists and talked with Golden Freddy Victim and that's it. Everything else is just speculation. We don't know what he possessed and what happened to him. I realized that cutting Fnaf 4 from the story and references to CC actually makes the story less complicated. Golden Freddy still is MCI victim and vengeful spirit that will torment William in UCN and possibly set themselves free later. William doesn't need CC's death as motivation for murders and Remnant Experiments as shown in the Novels. Michael could be just William's unwilling accomplice who will eventually rebel against him. Just like Vanessa in the Movie. If you can remove a part of the story without affecting it in any way that says it all about relevance of CC and concepts introduced in Fnaf 4 for that matter. We still don't have real answers about CC's character and he is unnecessary so I decided to ignore him. He is not event brought up directly in the new story, just like Cassidy who is most likely gone. We can make theories about him but I don't think any of them will ever be satisfying.
Bite victims main purpose is just so he can die in his emotions/fears can manifest all the characters in the series and his memories can go inside the main animatronics to give an explanation for the secret Fnaf 3 minigames
One thing about golden Freddy is everyone say that both Cassidy and crying child possessed golden Freddy but except for the first time we meet him when he said it's me and in the books there isn't much evidence that crying child is even in golden Freddy in custom night it shows that Cassidy was shown to be the only spirit of possessed him and even in the new movie it only shows Cassidy the only way i can see this is that crying child was released before custom night maybe happiest bay?
Father please, don't turn me into a marketable plushie
*turn him into a marktable plushie*
No matter what, crying child will always possess a place in our hearts
Rip Evagarretbitechild Afton
Evan, garret Norman, sans aftons
Don't forget that people thought he was Mike and when he was called Cassidy in undoubtedly cannon fnaf
I saw Eva and at first I thought you called him Evangelion Afton
I've always seen CC not being able to see being due to the fact that Fredbear crushed a good amount of his head, eyes included (or maybe in the surgery that tried to save him he had to get his eyes removed), but the idea of him just being a walkie-talkie is on the same level of amusing as the idea of phone guy possessing the FNaF1's phone and I'm so in for it XD
This is very good video. If we take what we know about FNaF possessions, the two contenders that fit the criteria the best is Fredbear plush and the Fredbear animatronic. Shatter victim seems more like an explanation from convenience rather than based from something based within the universe.
A lot of characters in the books are able to use there emotions to manifest things into reality
Henry straight up does this to make robots Charlie
Edwin does this to make the mimic
Granny Foster can predict the future and manipulate reality simply because they believe they could
Matt, (yes the spring trap impregnation guy) brings a piece of code to life with his anger
Phineas tagger create crystals with his own thoughts
Greg and kindly influence a random number generator just with their own thoughts
@@Sonicmidexcept the one little detail that none of those are canon to the games
@@danielroberts8049 Except the other little detail that they were explicitly stated to be canon, by Scott. They are in a different continuity, and there are major differences, but they are still canon. ShatterVictim is the most satisfying explanation we have for what is happening in the FNAF 3 secret minigames, what is happening in FNAF World, and why CC is never actually grouped up with Gabriel's team (unless you believe CC is the HD reciever, which is totally plausible, but then begs the question of where Cassidy is)
@@danielroberts8049”none of those are canon to the games” lol
you ever hear that one theory that has both plushvictim and golden duo by saying the possessed fredbear plush containing bv was put inside the fredbear suit, the same way how the ella doll that contains charlies memory or whatever was put inside the charlie bots to give them life
avid believer of this
I believe this so strongly
I'd always assumed that since he died from being crushed by fredbear's jaws, he could've possessed it. Either by virtue of it being the cause of death or being injured so badly that death was inevitable. In essence, he "died" the moment the mouth shut and crushed him.
CC is definitely a lingering spirt related to Fredbear/Golden Freddy
Personally I figured bite victim moved on after the fire in fnaf 3 since he never showed up anywhere in fnaf 6
Molten Freddy….
Yeah that just theory anyway and some people don't believe it@@Sonicmid
@@zhenjia7717 MoltenMCI is 100% canon at this point, there is too much irrefutable evidence suggesting it.
@@gamesuarx but there Sometimes people can still Disproving that theory means it's not completely canon
I just wanted to point out that there is a real-world plushy of the Psychic Friend Fredbear Plush that is labeled as possessed. You could argue it's a toy, so it doesn't couldn't. However, they could have named it anything yet they went with possessed.
Personally, as soon as I heard the theory from GiBi, I believed it because I always had a problem with CC possessing Fredbear despite not dying near it.
The bite victim is a literal Achilles heel when it comes to theorizing that people will tear to shreds.
People response examples I see often.
Bite victim motive: this guy is imply willgrief get em!!
Bite victim receiver: reading comprehension much?
Its like if your not conforming to a theory your just gonna be attacked for trying to involve bite victim in anyway that goes against the consensus.
I personally still believe he’s the receiver as he’s the only one we specifically know game wise had a birthday and if happiest day is about happy memories releasing the spirits then he’s the perfect fit other then still needing a connection to the MCI and why they can only move on when he does.
But again people will say it’s wrong and say Cassidy has to be the receiver cause the puppet is handing her cake (justified and no way to argue that)
Cassidy is the receiver because the story was supposed to end at 3 and cc didn’t exist. Scott only made 1 retcon which happend during Sl and it definitely not that
Also vr 2 shows that the spirit moved on and grave orders is the order of Fnaf 3 secret minigame
You can get Freddy any time before happiest day so he can be 3rd
@@Sonicmid I feel like by fnaf 3 Cassidy didn't exist yet until later, but I guess we'll never know
@@mylam658 the name no but the character but the victim yes. Fnaf used to be a story where you were supposed to fill in the blanks characters however in order to expand the story
@@Sonicmid yeah fair
@@Sonicmid: I just watched another vid from you not to long ago. Crazy to see you here :p
Y'know as a ShatterVictimer, I can confirm that BV's connection with the MCI is always the #1 problem when it comes to this theory. The only real reason as to why I even believe it is because it sorta gives him a significance as Molten Freddy just like you said.
Anyways, this was a fun video! The idea of BV becoming the thing that kept him company before his death is honestly kinda heartwarming. It might not be the best, but this is the only theory you get without the "distance" issue if you don't like FollowVictim.
Imo the core memories go in the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics.
The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends. Those 5 characters friends are the things that kill him.
This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you”
@@Sonicmid You know what? This is really good explanation. Might start to also believe it. Thanks!
@@Eddbruh83also I like to add the reasons why Cassidy can talk to Bv is because he poured his emotions in Fredbear. He cried inside him.
It not the real him it just a memory
@@Sonicmid Yeah, even in my version of ShatterVictim, BV is most conscious in Fredbear/Golden Freddy. Sorta like Andrew in Frights.
@@Eddbruh83yeah his consciousness be comes full when they become ennard/molten Freddy
YES it's here! ✨ PlushVictim!!!
Not sure if it was intentional but this thumbnail really stands out from your others and it looks great
Scott seems to implement visual story-telling very intentionally; I agree with you that to introduce two visually distinct forms of communication in the work book (altered text & faded text) but for it to be the same character makes no sense; one format then would have been enough (especially because Mike is writing with red ink; having more "types" then character clutters the narrative illogically). I think what we need to ask is; "Why do we need to know he can't see?" from a writing perspective, details only need to exist or truly add to the story if it helps to inform us about something or "sets the mood". In horror many details exist just to be creepy (mention of body fluids, suggestions of feeling trapped or alone), because the story playing with your sensory emotions is central to that genre. With a mystery every detail is either a true hint or a red herring. One easy way to distinguish between them is that if a detail seems to be given but it doesn't immediately cause you to think of something else then it probably is a genuine detail meant to inform you better about the situation.
All of that said, what benefit is it to tell us details like "I can't see" unless Scott is directly trying to suggest that information can tell us something? We never wonder if the other ghosts see things; being told that a specific ghost cannot see suggests it is existing under different conditions then all the others.
I actually like and agree with the idea that he actually possess the plush. I can imagine it being something for Mike to stay determined and focus on his goals.
That zombie gargle "byyyyyee" at the end scared the shit out of me
So... i got 2 ideas. 1: When you say plush and FNAF 6, i immediately imagine Helpy. What if... BV possesses Helpy? Maybe Mike turned the plushie into Helpy. Which would explain Helpy's cute and childish personality, and why he's always with Mike, because he's his brother. Or maybe BV's spirit follows Mike, but shows himself in the form of Helpy as a friend (?).
And 2: Possession is not necessary for lingering. While the idea is 10 times better, as we can see in Alone Together, ghosts in general just exist. They don't need to attach themselves to a toy or an animatronic to keep existing. So, it's an answer! Not a satisfying one to me, but it's one...
Story was supposed to end at 4 and helpy didn’t exist back then
Option 1 is cute, it really makes my day!
@@Sonicmid Is that a counterargumentation?
@@user-fk3mt8ck3vA flawed one
I still cant tell if fnaf 6 set the BV free or fnaf 3 Happiest day did. Honestly for some reason i feel like he was with Mike at the end though. Because thats where William Michael and Elizabeth are. It feels... More potent that all the family is there in some way.
(Ignore Ms CEO afton, obviously. /J)
Vita water and a new fancy sire squakers video ... fancy way to start a day ✋️🥹
Plush Victim is an interesting theory, and it has as much if not more validity than any other theory regarding him considering how little we really know about him
That said something caught my attention while watching this video and made me think “ Huh, that’d be really stupid if correct cause where were any of the signs” But imagine if somehow the figure of Helpy in the office in FNAF 6 was somehow supposed to be like an upgraded version of the plush, and that’s where the BV is hiding in 6. And all the mini games being done with him is like Mike letting him play in the perfect pizzeria and enjoy things he didn’t get a chance to as a kid. Again, 0 evidence for this and this is definitely not what Scott was thinking at the time of making 6, but it crossed my mind and felt like sharing it
Keep up the good work Strange Avian Creature
I honestly think Molten Freddy's "One big happy family" line has to do with how the Afton family is together again in Pizza Sim. However, I also think that if you look at the Funtimes, you realize each one is modelled on a member of the Afton Family. William built animatronics to represent his family. Ballora for his wife, Baby for his daughter, Funtime Foxy for Mike, and Funtime Freddy for CC (with BonBon being Psychic Friend Fredbear, the thing that soothes him).
This also ties back into Immortal and the Restless in a way. A lot of people think the vampire is William and that Clara is his wife, with the baby being Mike, his misfit son, but the show calls Clara a "mistress", or illegitimate love interest, so it's possible that if you think about who Yenndo might be... that Cassidy could be William's illegitimate son (yes, son, TOYSNHK uses he/him and Cassidy is a unisex name). This would explain why Cassidy is TOYSNHK in the first place, but I digress.
One thing to point out is that in the fnaf movie novel, Vanessa says Garret doesn't posses anyone, and that tracks with the cut scenes in the film of him just running about
His actor was also holding a fredbear plush in a bts image
Great video. I have to think some more on it... I really, really like it though. I've kinda leaned Plushvictim a while and you listed all the logical reasons that I just absorbed and never knew why I felt the way I did.
(At this point I just sorta seek out more satisfying naratives than what we got, I suppose. Even if this isn't the intended 'canon' explaination, we will never get one so may as well find one I like.)
What would "I will put you back together" Mean in this context?
My current idea is that BV possesses the Fredbear Plush and William takes it to his underground facility. When he begins his remnant experiments, he realizes that there's a possibility his son is in the plush, so he starts experimenting with the remnant within his plush. Since remnant is heavily tied to memory, this causes his memory to become shattered, his remnant split across various objects William used for his remnant experiments, including the MCI animatronics. This is how BV's memories become attached to the MCI kids for ShatterVictim to work.
Another idea I toyed with is that BV's remnant is put in the remnant reservoir of the Scooper and that his remnant was directly injected into Mike, BV attaching himself to Mike which would explain why Mike is still alive, BV kept him alive, similar to how Andrew kept William alive in the novels. This could also explain the FNAF 4 Nightmares, BV's memories and maybe even his agony is attached to Mike, causing him to experience the nightmares that mix the experiments with FNAF 1 and the Bite of '83 into one big nightmare until the Logbook happens and BV recovers more of his memories with the help of Cassidy.
bro ur a genius I never even thought about how the walkie talkie inside the plush is technically the metal inside of it. Cuz I think the possession does need metal since it’s based off of the joy of creation line and the autobiography of a yogi where the remnant is just an imprint of the electrical pathways from your nervous system onto a metal component and since both conducts electricity it is a way for metal to gain consciousness. So that’s why I think agony is just like the means in which remnant is made. The souls idea is connected to the memories of the dead so putting someone back together is to return their memories and personality to them and I think that’s why once Elizabeth is put back together she starts acting in service of Afton but before she was fed up with him and wanted to leave.
Hard agree on your points against ShatterVictim, I can't even begin to describe how funny it is when ShatterVictim believers try to tell me that GoldenDuo is impossible because of the distance argument. Like, bro, the Classics weren't in the hospital room either, were they?
On the theory itself, whilst I agree that it works on a logistical stand point, the evidence that it actually does happen is pretty lacking. I know you brought up "what WOULD the plush do" but it could like mess with the cameras, or at least look at you or something.
Additionally, I do see you point on it being weird that they'd ask each others names if they've known each other for decades, but on the other hand Cassidy asks extremely personal stuff like "was your favourite toy a blue plastic telephone?" There's no way she'd ask that sort of question to a complete stranger. I personally think the logbook is picking up on various bits and pieces of conversation they've had over the years, rather than just one conversation they're having at the time.
They go into the animatronics because Bv doesn’t see them as his friends anymore
The 5 characters, he considers his friends are the 5 characters that get him killed. The bullies ruined his view of the characters. The 4 killed him and essentially laughed at him in his final moments. This is why foxy is missing his head because Mike kept bullying him with the foxy mask it ruined his image of the character he no longer considers him his friend
That agony of being betrayed by his friends is why they get the animatronics get 5 core memories
Glitchbear line “you don’t believe that do you” shows that he didn’t actually believe what the speaker was saying.
We know the memories of him split after he dies, because Bonnie victim has the void/death memory which is why he’s the darkest one out of all of them.
@@Sonicmid I don't see how this has anything to do with my point. Also, forgive me saying this, but this all seems like assumptions without any substantial evidence backing it, I don't see the logic here. (which seems to be my thoughts on most ShatterVictim explanations now that I think about it)
@@randomrhino4371 you said you didn’t get how the memories could go into the characters since they’re not there
there is a lot of characters in the books can manifest their emotions and into reality
This is how Henry made robot Charlie. He really wanted his daughter back so his emotions made his desires come true.
This is also for Edwin made the mimic. He really wanted to make something for his son and that emotion made things much faster
@@Sonicmid you answered _why_ you think they do, but not *how.* The distance problem remains unaddressed. He doesn't even have a connection to the actual characters, just the plushies and the masks, which wouldn't count. At least with Fredbear he has a strong, well established connection with the actual Fredbear, whereas, for all we know, he may not have even to Freddy's ever. Why would he? Fredbear’s is right next door.
@@randomrhino4371 Freddy and its characters are implied to have existed since the 1940s thanks to the singing the FredBears sing show and fall fest.
It very likely that Freddy and Fredbear coexisted in 1983
(I personally believe they were once the same character, but they got split to make more money since FredBear is also called Freddy in the singing show)
This is really plausible and I have no idea why no one thought of it sooner (that I know of).
I'd argue that it's possible for the Bite Victim to be gone before the events of FNAF 6 and that being the reason he's not mentioned. Maybe I'm missing something, but the idea that Psychic Friend Bite Victim and Cassidy interacted through the logbook during FNAF 3, the game that has Happiest Day which seems to be connected to the Bite Victim because of FNAF World, makes it so that it doesn't sound like much of a stretch to say that BV moved on before the events of FNAF 6.
I can see my idea being a problem in a few ways though, mostly in terms of storytelling and themes. Why would BV wear a mask like the MCI victims if he didn't possess a fullass animatronic? And if we justify that saying the MCI kids are paralleling the masked bullies, why would the Marionette be there? Just to bring the cake? Couldn't they have told Gabriel to do something for once? Idk
I think it should be considered that the bite victim might not *need* to be in fnaf 6. If he isn't involved in molten MCI, then there wouldn't be any of him in molten freddy's remnant slurry. It's possible imo that happiest day was enough yo free BV in one go without any extra fire to finish the job like with the MCI kids
But did Michael have access to the plushie? The office room in the SL bunker was never entered in the canon ending to SL, and I can't think of much reason for Ennard to puppet Michael into there before leaving. Maybe I missed something.
I'd also note, why would we assume that the plush in the office with the walkie talkie is the one the BV had near him? I thought it was fairly easy to assume that it was William's end of the plush, where he talked from. Considering it's in his office.
Given a few theories have off screen stuff, you can argue Mike after being reanimated came back and enter the room
I personally think ShatterVictim has way too much going for it to not be true, but the How has always been the biggest problem
But I think I have 2 decent explanations for how ShatterVictim couldve happened
First is that BV's biggest fear is that the animatronics would eat him and then with the MCI kids, they're stuffed by either William or the Puppet, which would be fullfilling Crying Child's biggest fear (even more than it was already). And for the Puppet, the Bite probably happened close enough to Charlies death that BV was able to latch onto the puppet
Alternatively, Give Gifts Give Life might be when it happened, the story of the five keys and the woman is likely about GGGL imo, what if the keys were BV's soul/memories, and by giving the mci BV's remnant(?) she actually trapped the mci kids even more. In fnaf 3's Happiest Day minigames, the MCI kids are trapped within BV's memories, and have to be freed by completing the minigames
Imo the core memories go in the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics.
The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends. Those 5 characters friends are the things that kill him.
This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you”
Give gifts give life it’s just the puppet making the kids aware that they’re dead and possess the suits golden Freddy jump scares because he already knew that.
I feel like this theory and shattervictim could coincide in a way
does cc really need to possess anyone tho? I always found it dumb that seemingly no one ever argues that. We already know the 5 kids in MCI so I feel this idea that he has to possess something is way to pressed upon. It's at least noting that he doesn't have to possess shit and can just be a stand alone death especially given where he died if we assume it's CC's POV in fnaf 4 at least at the time and for anyone that argues that that's Michael's POV then I would also argue that if that's true then u can't use the fact that CC is seen "dying" next to PFFB in 8-bit.
I'm pretty sure that the gameplay is Michael's POV but the minigames are BV's.
On where the crying child/plush is in FNAF6:
Help Wanted 2 points to the endos of the 4 classics being melted down.
Golden Freddy isn’t clearly present there, nor do we see Golden Freddy get dismantled in follow me.
Based on UCN lines, the vengeful spirit has attached itself to William by the time of FNAF3, in talking about ‘no matter how many times they burn us’.
Happiest day and candy cadet all revolve around 5 spirits, not 6.
So, hypothesis - during the process of William dismantling the various animatronics at the closed FNAF1 location, he starts with Golden Freddy and screws up somehow. He tries to extract remnant but ends up getting some on him, or in him, or something just doesn’t go to plan. This allows Cassidy to either jump into William or into Spring Bonnie. The other 4 classics get taken apart and melted down so that they can be injected into the funtimes or whatever. If we go with the idea that everything started with Bite Victim and possessing the plushie, William’s experiments might have all been about finding a way to give BV a better body, especially after what he learned about Elizabeth.
So what if William included the plush (or the internal electronic components of it) in the remnant mixture with the original 4. This puts BV and the other 4 MCI together in Ennard/Molten Freddy, with their minds all mixed up and needing to be put back together. And some of that remnant ends up inside Mike as well, which connects to his fnaf4 dreams, fnaf3 hallucinations, etc. Meanwhile Cassidy is hitching on Springtrap. So when Mike and William are both at the Fright, Cassidy and BV can talk.
Alternatively, Mike brings the plushie with him to work at FNAF3. This brings Cassidy and BV in proximity. BV ends up being left behind in the fire, along with other stuff, and Molten Freddy is a result of Ennard going to Fazbear’s Fright and absorbing pieces of stuff left over after the fire, allowing it to pick up BV there.
Third option: Henry gets the blueprints of William’s robotics company, so he likely had found the same bunker Mike visited. If the plush was still there, Henry might have brought it with him to the Simulator especially if he was able to figure out it was also possessed.
I think the possessed plush theory is the best we’ve got. Especially considering the “parallel” (you used a different word recently I don’t remember) with the silver eyes where Charlie possesses a doll that is moved from robot to robot.
I just don't consider BV to be possessing anything just a lost wandering spirit.
But if he were possessing anything this fits the best in current canon.
I can't be the only one who thinks the FNAF 4 story is really sad. That kid is bullied to the point that it kills him, and he dies alone with nothing but his imaginary friends and (unknowingly to him) his dad speaking from a walkie-talkie in his favorite plushie. And then he doesn't even get to rest and is trapped in a dark void for who knows how long.
before i was like hardcore plushvictim for different reasons cuz in frights jake would turn into simon, alec would swap with lonely freddy implying plush victim, im not so much anymore cuz i learned its probably not a best idea to extrapolate ideas onto the game continuity without game evidence, and like something along the lines of what you said, there's barely anything connecting bv to anything and there's a lot of "bending" or sus parts of every bv theory (that's why idk what he is but he's prob there somewhere as shown in fnaf world and the logbook)
technically as well, he technically doesn't die near the plush, since if i recall, the plush fades away before bv flatlines so he dies either all alone or with Mike
The visuals were very nice and a thought provoking theory as always
Wouldn't it just be possible that when Golden Freddy was merely a form BV can take. It makes sense as Golden Freddy is stuck in suit mode and can't move yet he appears and disappears and causes hallucinations. It can easily be that BV takes the form of the suit and also the plush, they both like i said can't move even while possessed and are locked away. That would mean that the Vengeful spirit would also be connected to BV as the Vengeful spirit also takes the form of GG.
I don't know if it's a reasonable assumption to say that Mike ever found the plush in the private room. Because he didn't go there during SL, that's the fake ending. He went to the scooping room and became a more hollow Mike. So he'd have to, after possessing his own corpse, go back to the bunker and find it. It's a similar leap of "this person has to go to the bunker offscreen" to MoltenMCI, and I don't really believe MoltenMCI either. I think it's an interesting idea to consider, as well as if William knew that the plush was possessed. Because if he did, would he not have tried transferring the remnant? I don't know, I'm coming up with this as I write it. But I do think it's possible the remnant in the scooper that gets injected into Mike could've been the Crying Child's.
Theory around "Does he still talk to you?" -- What if that Implies SL --> FNAF4 --> FNAF World --> FNAF3 --> FFPS --> UCN?
Logic; What if Mike sees the private room and immediately recognizes that plush and feels entitled to just take it? There's evidence that Mike is a bit of a jerk as an adult, even if he regrets being a bully to his brother. Then Mike dies and what if his undead state allows him to communicate with the plush? He has to hide in shadows now, so maybe that implies he is hiding inside of his house which seems to be his family home that shares decorations with the interior spaces of FNAF4. So he's hiding with a plush that now speaks with him because he is dead and it is dead so to speak. He experiences FNAF4, having nothing to interrupt his life now as he can't really go out anymore. The phone dude calls; someone he already knew, someone who wants him as the nightguard because Mike was a nightguard so he fits in literally as a part of an attraction paying tribute to the old franchise. Mikes takes the job, he's undead, surrounded by elements of the old robots; the spirits talk with him. They coach him into playing the arcade machines; the machines that were sealed in that back room with ol' Willy and that contain the ghosts now, where they hide now, because the animatronics are gone (remember how they fade out in the backroom after Afton is springlocked). One of the ghosts has done the legwork of FNAF World already, in all the time between "Follow me" and FNAF3. Mike completes the task and Happiest day happens; thus the Fredbear plush stops talking to him. It stops talking, because BV is gone now... But Cassidy did not leave. When Mike sets the Fazbear Frights attraction, he takes with him a "work book" (children's coloring activity book themed around the attraction) and notices... Notices now that there is faded text. Maybe he was genuinely doodling in it over the week of working FNAF3 and saw the altered text, but perhaps he notices the faded text now... Trying to talk to him; "Does he still talk to you?" It asks... And Mike realizes that out there, somewhere, there is a spirit still not at rest. He missed one, or more? He did what he did, the plush is no longer haunted... But there is at least one still out there, haunting him; that yellow one he saw all the way back in 1987.
So he sees an ad later in the paper... And knows it's for him. Who else could it be for? There's still work to be done; he knows Willy physically exists somewhere, he knows Enard is out there... He knows the angry faded text refused to pass on and he knows... He knows... That voice on the tapes. It needs to end; he needs to answer that ad in the paper and stop hiding inside of his house.
Hi @Sire Squawks I have a question - do you believe that because Stingers have Charlie after FFPS, does this mean that in games it is also after FFPS? After all, HD will happen either after FFPS or during or after UCN, and the Puppet mask falls slower.I would like to ask you for an answer or a video devoted to this topic.
Also my 2 other suggestions are what does OMC minigame mean - Cassidy leaving UCN? Cassidy returns from OMC minigame to UCN?
And my last proposition this is your opinion about Toy Chica The Highschool Years - who is who and who does Foxy's hook represent, if you don't believe in Andrew in games. Thanks in advance for your reply
BV is the one to repersent GG in happiest day while Cassidy and the Vengeful spirit are still around in FNAF 6
Honestly I really do agree with this theory. My only real problem is that the sister location where we see Psychic friend fredbear is that the ending isn’t canon. So Michael doesn’t see that plushie unless it’s like a fnaf 3 thing where Scott thinks both endings are Sorta canon or whatever he said. But idk maybe you mentioned this and I just didn’t catch it.
It's an interesting thought, but I feel like the only evidence that resonated with me is BV being physically near the plush as he dies. If that's the case, then what are the rules for this world? when people die near mechanical objects or electronics, they just possess them? If Mike is the protag for fnaf 1 gameplay, for what reason does golden freddy have to say ITS ME. Furthermore, if golden freddy has ghostly properties and can phase into and out of your office creating hallucinations, why can't the BV do the same in the plush during SL ennard night? I don't think him being scared and confused warrants his inaction there. SL was made to kind of push the narrative from dream theory (whether you believe that was the case or not, it's definitely something the community at least considered at the time) to more concrete events and happenstance. It's possible that william brought the plush knowing it was possessed down to the bunker, but that doesn't excuse the concrete detail that when typing in 1983, you see camera footage and not to mention the plush has a microphone. There are multiple plushes, so I feel like it's Scott literally just pointing out that fredbear isn't a manifestation or psychic friend, but a tool used by william. Therefore, BV wouldn't really have any attachment to any ONE plush. There are weird rules concerning golden freddy and while I think plush victim definitely could be the case, I'm not placing any bets.
I would really like if you watch WCM0211 video about his shatter victim theory about the Crying Child. That really gave me a new perspectiv about the line "I will put you back together."
I don’t think so. In my opinion, I don’t think the Fredbear Plush in 4 mini games is real.
It’s main goals in night 1-5 is to add to CC tournament. By the time of night 4 minigame he disappears almost like he doesn’t need him anymore.
The plush in Bv is likely just his imagination and the final speakers is probably William.
In my opinion, I think the Fredbear in nights 1-5 is shadow Freddy. He gets a physical form once bite victim dies. Which is implied by his broken jaw world.
As for how he is also William wickedness, I believe the plush gain sentence because William put his son in the nightmare experiment chambers.
He wanted to experiment with ability to manifest things into reality through his emotions.
I believe he only use nightmare Fredbear on him though explaining his fear of the yellow suits
Also in order to possess something you have to be near it or in Jake cases want to be it which Bv does none
I always thought that the good ending of FNaF3 was canon, hence why 6 never really gives us much on the bite victim or MCI kids (unless you believe in MCI which is… definitely plausible, but not super heavily implied)
I heard a theory that the crying child possess the Fredbear plush and the Fredbear plush is inside golden Freddy like the Ella doll in the novels, I like that theory but I believe that CC possessed the Fredbear plush and then attached his soul to Fredbear some days after his death.
That doesn’t make sense tho golden Freddy is in a real physical suit he’s a spirit that’s how he’s able to turn into a giant floating head and take the form of any Freddy.
@@Sonicmid
Golden Freddy is a projection from the Fredbear suit, that’s how he’s able to do all those weird ghost things
Can you cover the rising theory that FNAF 3 takes place in 2015 and what that would mean for the series?
This is certainly an interesting one.
If this is true, and the games are running with it: One thing I think would be cool to see to confirm it is, following the Fourth Closet logic; near the end of the Pizzaplex Era, Gregory revealing that he has this plushie inside his chest cavity...
(Also following Fourth Closet logic; probably has to remember it first I imagine, I doubt he'd be aware he's a robot at this point in the story...[if he even is one ofc])
Certainly would make a fun parallel to him being inside Glamrock Frebby's chest cavity the whole time in Security Breach. Plush Freddy inside Gregory inside Glam Freddy.. Chest Cavity-ception...
Or was it called a stomach hatch? Stomach Hatch-ception?... either way I'm done talking......
Really good video
I think crying childs soul moved on during happiest day in FNAF 3, explaining the lack of him in FNAF 6. You set up happiest day for him in FNAF world and then it takes place in FNAF 3. Scott said that the true ending of FNAF 3 is somewhere in the middle of the good and bad ending in the interview. I think this is decent evidence to show that he moved on at that point and his soul was the only one freed compared to everyone's. This would be in the middle of the two endings, lining up with what Scott said.
Also, theres one more piece of evidence that I would like to point out. The official Fredbear plush is titled "Possessed Fredbear" which is a weird name to pick if it didn't mean anything.
W theory but the fact that we dont see it in ffps is a big point of evidence against it imo
FNaF 4 is so mysterious and stupid. And that’s why I love it.
I really like this theory
Honestly unless Scott literally confirms this there is no way to exactly know how possession works and the quiteria for it
IIRC the Fazbear Frights books mentioned how remenant doesn't exactly follow any concrete science it's literally supernatural
I don't see any logical way to explain Micheal casually bringing a plush with him to the FNAF 3 location and for it to somehow communicate with the funny yellow bear
CC just possessing Fredbear and the logbook being some weird manifestation of their conversation after Cassidy comes into play makes more sense to me using Occam's razor
The reason why the logbook only has things from FNAF 3 and prior could be because CC moved on after FNAF 3 possibly due to the events of FNAF World which would also explain CC not being in FNAF 6
We do actually know how possession works according to William
“ the spirit follows the flesh so it would seem”
In order to possess something, you have to be inside or touch it.
Possesses after hugging her dying corpse
Elizabeth possesses baby because she died in side her
MCI kids possess the animatronics after dying inside them
Dci kids:… OK this is weird but they probably possess the toys
or Jake case you really reallly wanna to be it.
@@Sonicmid William believed that fire could destroy remenant according to the blueprints in FNAF 6 IIRC
In general characters in a story can be misled or believe in the wrong things they don't know anymore than we do
@@ZigyTheBird One thing I've always seen people overlook about the scooper blueprints is that it says "There is a possibility that overheating might neutralize the effects permanently" showing that William wasn't even sure that heat permanently destroys remnant, just that it's a possibility. People somehow saw that and said "Welp fire destroys remnant" which isn't even what's said. That's why I get pissed off about people complaining about bringing characters back after FNAF 6 because the scooper blueprints themselves say it's only a possibility that fire destroyed remnant not a guarantee. Idk, what do you think about that?
@@BLAKEx2O we practically know that fire doesn't do anything now
Whether that was always the intent or not IDK but there is nothing 100% proving that fire was supposed to destroy remnant
Afton was just speculating I guess just like a FNAF theorist
But that doesn't mean people don't have the right to be mad about the direction the story took because honestly it could have been way better
@@ZigyTheBird I agree with you 100%, the story could have branched off better. I agree with you there, I just get annoyed when people try to use the “Oh Henry’s sacrifice now means nothing” because Henry’s plan was never guaranteed to work anyway. More people would have realized this if they actually looked at the blueprints. It’s also why I cannot stress enough how much context clues matter.
The scooper blueprints show that remnant being destroyed by fire was never certain just a potential outcome. Less people would be complaining if big CZcamsrs like MatPat and all actually looked at those blueprints properly. I blame big CZcamsrs like MatPat more than anyone else for looking over something so important and feeding a misinformed conclusion to millions of FNaF fans.
At this point, am gona have a crisis triyng to think what lore do i stick with for this creo relevance child😑
Too busy watching xangle
I dunno, this one is kinda like the Mike helping Will theory where it’s totally feasible but there’s just not enough hard evidence for me to really consider it. Like if BV *does* possess Fredbear it must not be that big of a deal because we *never* see the plush doing anything that implies possession. And, again, it’s not in FNaF6.
4:05 the memories go into the animatronics not the mci. The mci get them because they possess the animatronics.
The reason why they go in to the animatronics is because Bv view of them is ruined due to the bully’s wearing the mask. He no longer sees them as his friends.
This is back up in world with the “ you don’t believe that do you” line by glitchbear
Also shatter victim is more than just his memories going into the animatronics. It’s the idea that my victims memories create almost everything in the series it’s essentially dream theory but real
The toys,bb,mangle, withered animatronics, baby design, the shadow animatronics, foxy being out of order in Fnaf 1, foxy jumpscares, Fnaf 2 hall, grandfather clock, Fnaf 1 office and sister locations gameplay being a repeat 4 mini games,
They all come from his memories
The main characters that represent him are
Puppet, ennard, And molten Freddy
When ennard say there a piece of him in side everybody he wasn’t lying every has a part of BV in them. ( also his birthday hat as well)
The Bv Cassidy talks to you isn’t the real BV it’s just a disconnected memory of him. why he can’t remember anything.
The reason why Cassidy has this is because BV poured his emotions into fredbear when he cried inside him.
Darn, MatPat was so close... just it was the other way around.
@@Flowermations basically dream theory was kind of right, but it wasn’t a dream it was real
@@Sonicmid Yeah.
@@Flowermations
The Shadow animatronics: fredbear and spring Bonnie Shadows that scare him
grandfater clock 6:00am : the ones that is in this house.
Springtrap design: plushtrap
Fnaf 2 hallway: experiment room, plustraps hallway
Fnaf 1 office: the experimental room
jj being under the desk: A reference to bite victim hiding under the desk
endo 02: bite victim fear of the Endo in the back room
the toys: the toys on the playground
bb and mangle: the balloon kid and broken mangle toy
. Golden Freddy floating head: the FredBear head in parts and service
Foxy being out of order in fnaf 1: His plushie which also out of order
Fnaf 1 Foxy jumpscare: Mike 2nd jumpscare
Fnaf 2 foxy jumpscare: Mike bed jump scare
spring Bonnie being the evil one: he's the only one who's not shown in fredbear and Friends tv show
animatronics coming to life and putting people into suits: pigtail girl story "
Mike being tortured by 4 animatronics that covered the left side and right side:
It's a reference to the bite of 83. foxy and bonnie are on the same side because they are the ones who held crying child while and Chica and Freddy come from the same side because they're the ones who were watching not holding him.
withered Freddy and withered Bonnie's buttons: the plushies with those buttons
( if you believe the unwithered don’t exist then these plushies are what make the withered animatronics?
withered chica having her arms out: a reference to the toy girl who does the same pose
Springtrap name: “Where's your plush toy? Mine is Spring Bonnie. My daddy says I have to be careful with him or I will pinch my finger. He is a finger trap, he says.”
Spring traps green design: plustrap
Puppet: bite victim himself
Baby design: bite victims memory of the girl who made the stories about animatronics hunting down people. Pigtail girl
Sister locations gameplay: basically Fnaf 4 mini games repeated, but this time for Mike
Ennard mask: bite victim, after he’s finally put back together everything this is also why ennard puppet mask looks similar
Fnaf 1 office: the Fnaf 4 experiment room
Fnaf 2 office: plushtrap hallway
why is tiny toy chica missing her beak: because bite victims memory makes her do that
What is seen in shadow is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child: Bv misunderstanding the shadows he saw is what made the shadow designs later on.
4 games one story: fnaf can’t happen without 4 since that the game that starts everything
@@Sonicmid Yup 👍 couldn't have explained it better.
I just had a random thought, what if the plush ties to Helpy
I don’t know if you said this explanation, but could it be a “The Real Jake” situation?
In the real Jake jake is able to possess assignment though because he really wants to. Crying child can’t do this because he doesn’t want to.
4:53 Bear minimum
I kind of wonder if it’s… both. I don’t exactly know how it would work in connection to the Logbook, but is there any reason to believe that Afton couldn’t have transferred CC’s soul into Golden Freddy? I mean, he said he’d put him back together. If this were to be the case, my best guess to make sense of the logbook would be that… for some fuckin’ reason the rules still apply. I don’t know, it’s all weird, especially since Andrew and Jake… exist, and feel like they’re supposed to connect to Golden Freddy _somehow._
first thing, willGRIEF is debunked, second, cc was just a random accidental death that made fredbear's close down, why would afton need cc if he already have the remnant of the mci
@@Wizardjones69 Willgrief isn't debunked since we lack any hardcore evidence to debunk anything rn.
Thoughts on MemoryVictim?
which specific one is this- like 4 different theories involve the BV's memories.
@@siresquawks BV's memories influence the events of the fnaf timeline after his death and it is only stopped after he is put back together, here's the creator's shortened explanation:
"Basically memories stick around in fnaf. BV’s memories stick around. That’s why there were all those references and Easter eggs in fnaf 4 that people thought were for dream theory like the toy chica missing her beak. The Fredbear plush gains life from the BV. Fredbear puts BV back together in the happiest day. I also point out how memories are used in association with BV. In the logbook, BV forgets stuff, and at the end of fnaf 4, there’s the box which has above it 'Perhaps some things are best left forgotten, for now.'"
And here's a sentence from the original post that sums it up pretty well:
"BV’s memories stick around and cause all the pain and agony of the series."
@@LiMe251 Yeah I'm aware of the idea. Maybe to an extent there's something to it but it feels a tiny bit under developed to me in some spots- similar to plush victim actually.
@@siresquawks Okay.
CC was really mistreated by Scott. Fnaf 4 makes him a protagonist and important character for the entire story.
Fnaf World Clock Ending Route further emphasizes that( I am still confused how this game can exist in universe and outside of it at the same time but whatever).
Fnaf SL just says Fnaf 4 is some big experiment by William and CC was being watched and possibly talked to by him.
Fnaf 6 and UCN have no direct references to him.
Security Logbook says he still exists and talked with Golden Freddy Victim and that's it.
Everything else is just speculation.
We don't know what he possessed and what happened to him.
I realized that cutting Fnaf 4 from the story and references to CC actually makes the story less complicated.
Golden Freddy still is MCI victim and vengeful spirit that will torment William in UCN and possibly set themselves free later.
William doesn't need CC's death as motivation for murders and Remnant Experiments as shown in the Novels.
Michael could be just William's unwilling accomplice who will eventually rebel against him. Just like Vanessa in the Movie.
If you can remove a part of the story without affecting it in any way that says it all about relevance of CC and concepts introduced in Fnaf 4 for that matter.
We still don't have real answers about CC's character and he is unnecessary so I decided to ignore him.
He is not event brought up directly in the new story, just like Cassidy who is most likely gone.
We can make theories about him but I don't think any of them will ever be satisfying.
Bite victims main purpose is just so he can die in his emotions/fears can manifest all the characters in the series and his memories can go inside the main animatronics to give an explanation for the secret Fnaf 3 minigames
Bite Victim in Helpy? (No pls don't take this seriously)
can you talk about the crying child's name?
Yes, and no on certain circumstances.
i been saying this for months
Maybe…
One thing about golden Freddy is everyone say that both Cassidy and crying child possessed golden Freddy but except for the first time we meet him when he said it's me and in the books there isn't much evidence that crying child is even in golden Freddy in custom night it shows that Cassidy was shown to be the only spirit of possessed him and even in the new movie it only shows Cassidy the only way i can see this is that crying child was released before custom night maybe happiest bay?
The crying child doesn't stay to torture William because he has no reason too, he's the only one who wasn't killed by him.
i will never not enjoy listening to you theorize about fnaf