Tips for Selling on Bring-A-Trailer: I’m Listing My 1969 Porsche 911T Hot Rod!
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The risks of selling on Bring-A-Trailer are scary. But there is a right way to do it.
In this video series, I'm documenting the process of selling my own 1969 Porsche 911T hot rod on Bring-A-Trailer. I've toyed with the idea of selling on Bring-A-Trailer as a way to sell my air cooled Porsches in the past...but the risk has been really intimidating for me. So...I've sought out the help of a BaT auction consignor to help me (hopefully) maximize my sale while passing this '69T along to the next caretaker.
And in this specific video, I interview Patrick Putkowski of The Patina Group, someone with extensive experience selling on Bring-A-Trailer. In fact, he has sold +/- 170 collectible cars on Bring-A-Trailer so he knows what works and what doesn't.
Given that much of the focus of my channel is air cooled Porsche ownership experience, I thought it would just make sense to share my experience in selling this car on BaT. It's a little nerve-wracking to deal with the auction as well as share with the viewers a behind-the-scenes look at the process...but at the same time transparency is crucial.
Background on the car:
I've had a great experience with this 69 hot rod. The car has a 2.8 MFI motor and it's a screamer. I've done a bunch of local drives as well as a rallye in which I drove the car over 1,000 miles in the course of 4 days. It performed flawlessly.
That said, I have multiple 911's along with a 981 Cayman S and it's time to make a little room in my garage and focus on some other projects I have in mind.
Some of the key features of this Ossi Blue Porsche 911T Hot Rod:
- Recent glass out Ossi Blue paint job (original factory color) with complete rust repair
- 2.8 MFI Motor
- 44 row mocal cooler with Elephant Racing Hard lines and a factory thermostat
- Documentation on motor rebuild
- Front hood and fenders PPF'd
- Brand new GTS Classic LeMans seats
- Refreshed gauges (10K tach)
- 16" Group 4 Aluminum LMZ wheels
- Audette collection LED headlights
I have done a number of videos documenting my journey with this early 911 hot rod, and I'll link the playlist below. When I first found the car, I had a good, solid base from which to build it exactly the way I wanted it, so I did...and shared it on this channel.
1969 Porsche 911T Hot Rod playlist: • '69 Porsche 911 Hot Rod
0:00 Start
0:36 Why I'm selling on Bring-A-Trailer
2:59 Why selling on Bring-A-Trailer makes the most financial sense when selling an air cooled Porsche
4:02 The right way to manage a Bring-A-Trailer auction
4:37 Being realistic with the car's value
5:33 The type of seller that does well when selling on Bring-A-Trailer
6:54 The role of transparency when selling on Bring-A-Trailer
7:29 Submitting your car to Bring-A-Trailer
7:57 Getting the reserve you want when selling on Bring-A-Trailer
9:52 The importance of timing relative to a successful auction
Interested in getting help with your auction? Contact The Patina Group:
www.sellwithtpg.com
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Porsche 911's I currently own or have owned:
- 1969 Porsche 911T Hot Rod in Ossi Blue (sold) - 1976 Porsche 911S in Ice Green Metallic
- 1977 Porsche 924 Martini Edition Safari Car
- 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera in guards red (SOLD) - 1992 Porsche 911 964 in Amazon Green metallic (SOLD)
- 1995 Porsche 911 993 Coupe in polar silver
- 1995 Porsche 911 993 in Grand Prix White
- 2007 Porsche 911 997.1 Turbo in guards red (SOLD)
- 2009 Porsche 911 997.2 C4S PDK (SOLD)
- 2014 Porsche Cayman S
- 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
- 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder
- 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S
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I've listed several cars on BaT from 911 to 308 to FFR Cobra to Alfa Romeo . . . and you're correct they give incredible exposure and results.
Patrick is a class act - you will enjoy working with him! The final 15 minutes of each listing has always been exciting & entertaining 😎
long hood hot rod has always been the goal for me personally. a little shocked you’re parting with yours. really enjoy your channel. keep up the great work.
Biggest threat in Bring a Trailer - The Peanut Gallery.
I sold my first car on BAT. Plan on a minimum of 6 weeks from submission to listing. Send pics of everything, every classic car has its notorious weak spots, be it rust or whatever, show those spots. Include a cold start up video and use a electronic thermometer to show its cold. If it has AC, do the same. Include some drive by videos. The most important thing is, be ready to answer questions promptly. Some tire kickers will many times try and hi-Jack your auction via bad comments, be ready to extinguish those if what they are saying isn’t legit. I would also start showing previews on whatever Social media or forums that you frequent for your type of car. I did these things and doubled my reserve. Good luck!
Great tips! Thank you!
I'm excited to see how the process goes. Good luck with the auction.
I just sold my mint 89 Carrera a couple weeks ago on BAT, and also used an outside source who was familiar with the process. I was happy with the process and the ultimate sale price.
Really enjoyed this video Will. Looking forward to more videos in this series and the auction. Best of luck.
I love those wheels!! Thanks for the content covering the auction details.
Great info on the process. Thanks for putting this video together
Wow....really surprised to see this! I have followed several vehicles that The PATINA Group listed one being a burgundy 912 a few months back that I should have snagged. I hope this does well for you...this blue T is actually my favorite car in your collection so I hate to see it go but hope it does well for you.
I've sold two cars on BaT through Patrick (and bought a few from him as well). He's a great guy and really does excellent work.
Thank you very much. An informative and also educational video. No doubt market interest will be high. And I thank you for being so thoughtful about the process of keeping a Porsche collection and sharing your findings with fellow enthusiasts. Keep thinking, have you reached out to say Magnus Walker that the 911 hot rod is going to be auctioned?
Maybe a 'patina' Porsche 911 comes to you next, no further worries, just to drive the American roads :)
Thank you again, good luck, will be following along, what an awesome purchasing oppertunity for like-minded air cooled aficianados. Although a sad moment, still like 20 added.
Really like that blue color...enjoy the channel....Thanks
I knew it, when I asked you a few weeks ago when the car was not in the garage my Spidey-senses were tingling that the move was on. It’s going to do well on BAT!! This video was very informative and I like the Idea of using someone like Patrick because I don’t have the time or desire to post and answer all the normal flood of questions on BAT!! Congrats Will. Sorry to see it depart the fleet but I certainly understand.
Thanks, Mike. As always I appreciate the supportive tone. The risk/reward is higher on BaT than the usual channels but it should be fun and I’ve always wanted to try it.
@@Rennthusiast curious to know the risks of a BAT listing in your opinion. Thanks.
Great Video! Subbed!
I work on old Porsche's and around air cooled cars daily. I have plenty of seat time with every model, from an early SWB to a late 993 Turbo. I've also owned a 93 964C2, a 79 911SC, and a 69 911E. Guess which is my favorite and the one I will never part with? The 69. Everyone has reasons for selling and I get it, just hope you don't have any later regrets (I've had many with selling various cars over the years).The 69 is such a funky model too, a LWB but with so many early SWB touches (one example, the door handles). Glad you had your time with it and hope it goes to a good home.
Best of luck with the auction Will. I'll be following along for updates on the process.
That blue color & simplicity of this 911 is Priceless
I saw the results of the BaT auction, and it looked like a very nice result. Congratulations!
Thank you. All involved are pleased, I believe.
Great channel and good info! This vid peaked my interest as I use to own a 1970 911E from 1983 to 1987. Get this…I paid $5,500 for the car! Drove it in college and loved it but you just don’t appreciate certain things as a 22 year old kid! A chain tensioner went out in it and blew the motor! I needed transportation due to my first job out of college and traded it in on a new Toyota FX 16 gts, argghhh!! Just didn’t have the funds at that age to maintain it but I’ve kicked myself many times in my older age wishing I still had it of course! Would have been a hell of an investment! Not sure what the name of the color scheme on the car but I believe it was pretty rare. It was a bluish green color. Thanks for letting me share my long winded adventure, lol! I’ve been the owner of an 86.5 928S five speed for 25 years and will get buried in that car! I will get another 911 again though as there’s nothing like them!!
I have heard this story many a time. Don’t feel badly. Nobody knew what was going to happen.
Hi Will! Love your videos, and the Ice Green Metallic is killer. What phone mount do you use? Does it work well with the integrated magnet in the most recent iPhones, or do you need attach a separate magnet on the phone?
I use the mount that’s in my store: app.thecreatorstash.com/rennthusiast
Works very well. The magnet is strong enough the hold the phone on switchbacks at speed without a problem .
I think 993+70s is a good combo. Two cars make you busy enough to love them.
I can't wait to see your results. I'm in the process of selling some Porsche's and a BMW 850i and I would like to see the process where I'm getting to. I will never use Ebay ever again! Period! I wasted my time relisting my cars several times to non-payers and scammers.
I can’t wait either 😄
Selling sucks though. Buying is fantastic.
i paid a guy exactly what he wanted through you tube, i asked for his email address, then flew out a couple of days later after he was messing around with some time wasting tire kicker, if you like a car and you have the funds, then go for it!
Wow. I was surprised given the mods you did and short time of ownership. My "opinion" of your 3 air cooled cars this one was the most "interesting" whatever that means :) long hoods are just so iconic. I get the consignment angle since I am sure they will do great pictures, paint meter readings, be obsessive on responding to requests, etc. I sold a 911 on pcarmarket myself and not so hard bit I am sure I could have improved my presentation and gotten a bit more money.
I have gotten to a place in my life where I’m ok improving the cars in alignment with my vision, experiencing them for as long as I enjoy them then moving them along to the next owner.
I have lost money on some and been ok on others. But I have landed on the idea that this is my hobby and the joy comes from the journey, not necessarily being obsessive about the money angle.
Do I hope to make out well on the sale? Yes. But if I don’t will I lose sleep or stop enjoying these cars? Not really.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Wow, the longhood had a short stay with you. Already curious what will come to replace it! May I guess... a 2nd try at a 964 (wishful thinking, maybe 😉). Thanks for explaining BaT. Are they active in Europe? Never heard of anyone using it on this side of the Atlantic...
Haha no 964. I feel like you have 2 camps: those who prefer 964’s over 993’s and vice versa. I’m solidly in the 993 camp and discovered I don’t need both.
I loved the 1969 911T! I know you said you were selling it because it's time to move it along. What about it, compared to the others in your collection, did you like/dislike about the T? I would love to hear your reasons. I smell a potential future video...
P.S. Love your channel and keep the content coming.
I'd also love to hear the story of why it's leaving.
After owning the Ossi blue for 8 or so months, I found I wasn’t really reaching for it. A very visceral experience and a hoot to rip backroads in, but much of my driving is around town, or highway driving to see buddies in other towns.
That, plus the fact that I have been so engaged with my ice green car led me to the conclusion that it’s time to move it along to the next caretaker.
I am an “experience” guy, meaning that I really enjoying trying different 911’s then they typically find their way out of the garage. I really spared no expense in getting the car dialed and have enjoyed that part of the journey as well. And now I can say I owned and enjoyed an early 911 hot rod.
What’s your projected posting date (they’re backlogged)? What’s your BAT handle?
Sometime in the coming weeks. @the_patina_group.
Curious how is Cars and Bids affecting BAT. Seems like BAT is now so big, it is kind of gotten too big. Did you consider using C & B?
As someone who has sold on both, the audience on C&B is different than BAT. BAT does well with older vintage cars, resto mods, outlaws, etc. C&B is mostly newer cars that are stock or lightly modified but may not all be full enthusiast models. The oldest cars I’ve seen were maybe 1980s land cruisers but it’s mainly newer vehicles.
I admire what Doug Demuro has done with Cars and Bids but I am not sure it’s the ideal place for an air cooled 911.
Hello again Will. So I watch the entire video you made with the seller or that guy Patrick and I still don’t know for sure the arrangements that you made with him and frankly, it’s none of my business
It does sound to me now, like you are going to pay him of a fee of your selling price to handle the details rather than selling him the car and having him recover his money on bring a trailer which I originally thought the plan was based on the starting video
As I mentioned, I’ve sold two or three cars on bring a trailer so I’m pretty familiar with the system
It’s not that difficult if you have the time
However, if you’re dealing with two or three other Porsches. and a full-time job, perhaps it’s worth a small percentage of your selling price to have someone else that’s knowledgeable and done it frequently do it for you
And finally, I will say this about bring a trailer
I live an hour and a half away from San Francisco and that’s where bring a trailer is based
They started out as a small auction site and has Patrick mentioned they are now, if not the biggest one of the biggest online sites
They are making millions and millions of dollars a year and with the growth of their company and auction site so has the red tape and difficulties, length of time, etc. etc. increased
In my humble opinion, they are too big for their britches frankly now that they are so well-established
That said, an auction site, as I mentioned earlier, is arguably the best place to sell your vehicle because as soon as you get two people interested, the selling price has nowhere to go but up
Anyway, good luck that’s a hot rod little Porsche. I like it myself
what is the power washer attachment you use for washing your 911s?
It’s a foam cannon. I think I got it from Amazon.
Would really love to hear why you are selling after the great mods and short ownership. You've shared much in past when letting go of one. Too analogue?
As I mention in the video, I just don’t find myself driving it that often. It’s not a great “all-arounder” for me meaning that it’s difficult to just jump in and roll around town in. I typically reach for my 993 or my Cayman S for most of the types of driving I do. The ice green mid-year 3.2 option covers off enough of a truly vintage driving experience without the sharp edges delivered by the 69T. And I love, love, love the cosmetics of that car. So, it doesn’t make sense for the ossi blue car to just sit. I’m sure I’ll end up replacing this with something at some point and have a couple of ideas for a little down the line. If you’ve watched my channel you’ll know I’m a compulsive “911 experiencer” and I have essentially checked the box of owning an MFI long hood hot rod.
Interesting video. Thank you. What is TPGs BAT handle/ user name
the_patina_group
I want the polar silver 993. Let me know when you're selling.
Sorry, but that’s the one I’ll keep 😄
Surprised you are selling so quickly! Curious if any of your 911s are a forever car? Maybe your 993?
The 993 for sure. I am planning on the 76 being a keeper also.
What is the cost of the service you are using to sell this car on BAT?
They have a variable pricing model depending on anticipated range of selling price/type of vehicle being listed.
Will, I didn't catch the reserve amount!? ;)
Lol
I have purchased a car on BAT and bid on several others....the buyers typically pay a premium, some outright nonsensical.
Are those BMW spares?
No. Group 4 LMZ’s.
A middleman, in which was a simple car buying process. This should make Porsches more expensive and a little more unachievable for the average guy that really loves cars. More like the luxury watch grey market. Shows that people are in it for the profitability that would be more evident in the future. All about the money...🚗
Why Will?......Why??? I'm in mourning and denial. Lol! Are you replacing it with something else?
I’m sure I will. I can’t sit still lol.
I’ve been thinking about a couple of other options but I really want to get the 76 done and enjoy it some.
@@Rennthusiast Understood! Im considering the same thing with a car in my stable but have difficulty pulling the trigger. I need the garage space but concerned about sellers remorse
Will I follow you and really like your stuff but the adhd with your cars is hard to follow. Your selling your best car. Good luck
Lol. Thanks, I guess?
Sorry that came across worse that I wanted it too. I appreciate your transparency and willingness to share your experiences.
Oh, no worries at all. 😄
how much did this beauty end up selling for?
$162,500
That didn't last very long. Did you just want a taste of a longhood, then flip it?
I did want to experience a long hood but had no idea the car would do so well. I always just try to recoup what I have in a car…or at least get close.
Many don’t believe this but I am in this hobby for the love of the cars, not as a business or profit making venture.
Honestly, isn't it just about how much money you can make from the car? Come on.
Sure. At the end of the video I discuss that very point without reservation. There’s no doubt that I want to maximize my chances of recouping my money and I feel like that’s a reasonable goal.
I like the sophistication of your channel. It's just, Porsches are so much money. I'm an MGB, British car guy. So the differential in costs is massive between the two types of cars. Yet the fun quotient is almost identical. So I could not justify spending that kind of money on a Porsche versus another B roadster, a BGT V8 or an MGC. And these cars don't fetch anywhere near the cost of 60s 911's. I like the approachability of British car is easy and for the common everyday man.
The vocabulary used to sell high-end cars obviously is directed towards the very wealthy. I think you're selling your '69 911 for well over $100,000, but I could be wrong as I couldn't find a price anywhere on the video?
Bring a trailer. Is a good sellers site . I’ve sold a couple of cars there, so I’m not a professional, but it’s definitely not, NOT, a buyers site in my opinion
For the simple reason that an auction, is an auction, and if you get more than one person that’s interested in the car , that drives the selling price up which is great for sellers. Not great if you are a buyer on a budget.
Interesting scenario that you have going on here, giving your car to this other party to negotiate selling on BAT
I’ve been writing this comment and not listening to the video, so I’m not sure how you guys are approaching this together
But I will listen to the video it almost sounds as though you’ve sold the car to this guy and he’s going to sell it on bring a trailer and keep the money, but I’m not sure that’s what you’re doing
Bottom line, to end this long comment, the air cooled Porsche market is still quite hot and a little crazy if you ask me
You take very good care of your air, cooled Porsches, and so your car should do very well
I am both an older school air, cool guy, but have also owned and enjoyed water cooled Porsches
Porsche’s. of any kind, are just incredible sports cars
Agreed totally.