On my family's MF4710, they use it similarly to what you do (cutting/tedding/raking/baling hay). They usually fill the fuel tank 2 times and then top off the DEF. The DEF tank isn't quite empty but it would not go all the way to a 3rd fuel tank fillup.
Okay, so with everyones help here I'm pretty sure my tractor has a problem. I've got my dealer on it they are going to talk to Massey and see if they are aware of the problem.
It might get better after you run it more but for now I would have them check it and see if it sitting to rich or not but I would just top it off when you fuel to be on the safe side. Keep up the great video's
it depends on how much def you have to put in to refill it, that will tell you if its gauge trouble or its burning way more than it should be,, glad your on the mend
I can't help but to wonder if that DEF tank's level-sensor is off and needs calibration like you were saying. Either that or maybe something's goofy with the pump for the DEF and its feeding in too much DEF.
I’d definitely have the dealer check it out because it shouldn’t be using that much, also when the warranty runs out if it were me and I planned on keeping the tractor for any length of time I would delete it and be done with it
I know on my mine I fill both tanks up mow or bale 8 hours or so and def is still reg full ,I always top them off in morning so its hard to tell how much def to a tank will go.Now this is my first tractor that ive used def never heard of it before so I don't know if usage is extreme or not.Also I have around 240 hrs on it to....
One of my fellow farmers has a new Massey 5613 with the DANA 4 transmission and If memory serves me correctly his def tank holds 5 gal. of def and has only 250 hours on it and has yet to use his second full tank of def.
That's one of the reasons i have an old mb trac and why the estate i contract for bought a t5 with dpf on it so we wouldn't need Def and burns it's self clean.
Hey Darryl. Did you compare/look at the Kubota M5 or M6 tractors? Know you had a bad experience with the lawnmowers, but wondered if you did look at them, what your thoughts were.
I did look at the M5 it it's a nice tractor. Biggest thing I didn't like about it was it had the diesel exhaust filter and DEF fluid on it so it basically has twice the emission equipment as the Massey or New Holland.
Mine does same thing I have a 4710 too and a tank of def won't last quite as long as a tank of fuel when I am mowing, at least as far as the guage says but when I fill it up it will only take a little over a gallon of def so maybe my guage is wrong also. Doesn't seem like it is quite as bad as yours though.
My 4610m which is basically the same engine doesn’t hardly used def I can run three tanks of diesel before I get down to 15% def I use a 12ft drag type harrow and spray all my crops with it so it’s worked pretty hard I believe
Check some of the forums and you'll find that the Masseys are having def system issues even to the point that some dealers are "encouraging" owners to delete the systems and they "look the other way" and honor the warranty just so the dealer shops aren't setting full of tractors with warranty def system issues. It could be worth looking into in the long run
I had a dealer tell me at at a hay day that if we found away around the emissions system to tell them. They also said they would not not cancel the warranty either if we did. Makes sense now.
It's DEF diesel exhaust fluid. All diesel over 25.5 horse power have to meet strict govenment mandated emissions and this fluid is injected into the exhaust to reduce emissions.
DLH Farms wow, I had no idea that u had to do that on new tractors. Understand now why kubota did that to their mowers reducing horse power to get away from doing this. Good information and good to know. Thanks Dennis.
I didn't want to mess with DEF. I did my research, bought a MF 4707. It is the exact same tractor as the 4710, same engine, except has different injectors in it to derate the engine to 70 HP. I can put the 4710 injectors in this engine and make it a 100 HP - and it still doesn't require DEF.
I really like the 4707. I had a 81 HP JD that I replaced, this tractor is night and day better. I watched your videos about your 4710 in helping to make my mind up. I live in flat Florida, so I don't have to deal with your hills.
Iv heard some of the latest New Hollands that have scr and diesel oxidation catalyst use more def than the older ones that just run scr, maybe that's the difference with the Massey as the T5 just has scr with an egr system i think.
I’ve read the comments and I didn’t see if you found a resolution to the def issue on the 4710 did it get resolved or does it just use a lot of def? Just curious thanks.
I think the problem is the def gage calibration the tank is supposed to hold 3 gallons but when it says it’s empty it will only hold about a gallon and a quarter
I hate all of the emissions crap they put tractors now. Hopefully we'll be able to get rid of it or come up with a better system one day. From everything I've read on it, all of this stuff is just thousands of added dollars on the tractors and it's not "saving the world" in the slightest.
I know. I just wish that if we had to have it, they would come up with something better than DPF or DEF, but even if they did, they'd just charge more and more money for it.
wasn't there a fuel company which used to advertise that they would put a tiger in your tank? I guess the 21st century equivalent is DEF leopard... (never mind)
You sound a lot better than the last video! I just could never buy anything with DEF. I’m hoping it was just a fad that will end soon. I heard it freezes?
The Quality of DEF can make a difference. With Massey Ferguson Dual NOx Sensor it reads the NOx gases post combustion then injects DEF as needed and the second NOx sensor measures the results. The lower the quality of DEF the more DEF that will be used to achieve the results needed. We have customers that have experimented with where they purchase DEF and we sell lots of the AGCO DEF and we keep out supply fresh. DEF has a shelf life dependent on temperature. Warmer temperatures can be around 12 months. Make sure you buy fresh DEF as quality will degrade over time. Also the RPM you run the tractor will effect DEF usage. We are selling more 4700 with the Economy PTO as most do not need 1000 PTO In that size tractor. When you have lighter duty jobs but need PTO Speed using the Economy PTO will drastically reduce the amount of DEF used as it lowers the Engine RPM and NOx Gases are Created at High Exhaust Temperatures and lowering the Engine RPM will lower the amount of NOx created and thus use less DEF. Some customers are barely using any at all!
I use the same DEF in my T5 New Holland and my Ram truck and it last a very long time. I also run it in a Ford truck and my dad runs it in his GM truck with no problems. I have the 1000 PTO version of this tractor and I need 1000 occasionally for our straw blower.
Some DEF systems use a computer program to spray "X" amount that is what most do and Massey Ferguson did in the first generation DEF System on 8600 Series...if you need or not. With the Dual NOx Sensor it can vary the rate based on load and DEF Quality. The better the Quality the less DEF. Not sure what New Holland and RAM uses but not many companies are using the dual sensor and they inject DEF based on Computer Algorithm and get by. I just know that our customers are seeing differences in DEF Quality. I would have your dealer look at it and he can watch the NOx Gases and DEF Quality and usage with the EDT (Electronic Diagnostic Tool) doesn't sound normal and I actually have more customers calling asking why they aren't using DEF than saying they using too much. Why I'm thinking there is something not right with your tractor or sensors or DEF Quality. Might be something to test to see if it can help reduce input costs for you.
Thanks Vahrenberg! I talked to my dealer and they agree something isn't right and they are going to start investigating next week. I will make another video when we figure out what's wrong. You make good videos by the way I've watched a lot of them.
Keep us informed. I commented because it was not normal. Wish I could play in the fields like you get too. Loved the video on Draft Control with the Blade. Never thought of that use but makes draft control more important for others normally all we think of is tillage work. Love your from the heart videos...keep them real! Enjoy your videos and glad to see the Massey Ferguson in your fleet! Ever need anything let us know. we here to help!
Thanks a lot! My dealer is very good and I'm sure they will get it sorted out. I've always been a NH man but I've really enjoyed having the new Massey around. Might even buy a 5700 some day. I'll be watching for your new videos. See ya around.
That ain’t right the gauge must be off I didn’t realize it was that bad when we talked mine the worst it’s done is a tank for a tank your burning twice what I am
I kept up with the amount used for a while for the dealers record, they said it was normal, Massey said that as long as it was using 10 percent or less of the fuel usage it was within spec. It was using about 5 percent of the fuel usage. In other words if the tractor uses 100 gallons of fuel it should not use more than 10 gallons of def. It's using about 5 gallons of def for every 100 gallons of fuel. In conclusion the tank is just small and the gauge reads less then is actually in the tank makes it seem like it's using too much.
The system is built like this, you has about 30 to 40 % left. In Norway and europa we has had this sins 2006. On trucks, and yea first 10 years only trubbel. Pumps broke, and difrent sensors and so on. And if its colder then - 15 degrese celsius it freze. And it stop use def or ad blue. Yea it freze when its cets colder then - 11. But heater in tank. And if we run low, it says we can lose 40% horsepower. So system is built whit a exstra reserve 30 to 40 % . So gauge is ok, its howe it built. And it can be big difrens about individual trucks/maskin. Some use alot, some less. And this def/ ad blue, is a urea 33% in 66% whater solusjon.
I heard Massey is going to have Non DEF Emissions Next Year 2019 may want to Trade IN! Somethings wrong there a lot of Trucks and Diesel cars can go for about 3000 miles on DEF Tank. If its working hard I would think it could use Less system is hot enough to burn Clean.
I think your getting particulate matter and NoX gases confused. There is less particulate matter when working the engine hard but there is more NoX gases and the Def mixes with the NoX gases to cause them to become less harmful. So when working hard it has to use more def because there are more NoX gases.
how freash is your def also the harder you are working it will call for more def your new holland tractor may be running cleaner before the def comes in to play there are several things going on here do you have email we can chat threw and want to chat say so
My def was just bought, I need to find a date code on it, but my dealer thinks there is a problem either with the gage or the dosing module. They are going to contact Massey about it Monday.
Hmmm hopefully maybe the gauge is off, but who knows... This seems odd. Warranty!!!!!! Write that down to get it checked out sometime Comparing our MF 7616 (160 HP) to our TS6 (130 HP), the MF is much better with def compared to the new Holland. Both tractor engines really don't work that hard majority of the time, but I've messured out that the TS6 uses about 1 gal of DEF per 20-30 gal of fuel, and the Massey uses about 1 gal of DEF per 30-40 gal of fuel. However, as you stated with working the engines harder, when the Massey is pulling more like for plowing in the spring, it uses a little more then.
Maybe you are having a malfunction somewhere in the DEF system. Is it pumping too much, a sensor not working right, a leak somewhere in it? Off to the dealer, I think may be the best idea.
Why not put the New Holland Knob on your Massey? I was thinking something like that when I noticed your New Holland hat when you drive the Massey,...hahaha! Sounds ( and looks ) to me like the DEF gauge is out of calibration, I think it's time to ask the dealer's service department a question or two on this one. There goes the economy!!!
It's Diesel exhaust fluid. It's injected into the exhaust of the tractor to reduce emissions, it's government mandated. Any diesel engine over 25.5 hp has to meet tier4 final emissions. This includes pick up trucks too, I have a 2011 ford that has def on it.
Ask Bagwell Farms. That would be really annoying- you'll have to keep a container of def with you. All of the emissions crap on these tractors needs to go away!!
It's Diesel exhaust fluid. It's injected into the exhaust of the tractor to reduce emissions, it's government mandated. Any diesel engine over 25.5 hp has to meet tier4 final emissions. This includes pick up trucks too, I have a 2011 ford that has def on it.
I think i missed something about you being ill . No notifications😐. What was wrong ? My twin daughters ask if that was a Thomas tank engine tent behind you?
DLH Farms how much would it cost to have that done?. It would have to be a lot cheaper than spending several hundred dollars a year to buy the def to pour into the tractor in the first place.
Dennis,there's a company called"DIESEL SPEC INC."(GOOGLE THAT)They are in business to delete the DPF requirement.I'm looking at their page that says"AG DIVISION"on it.You might just want to look at it and see what you think.
Very thankful you are feeling better !!! Don't overdo because you are doing better !! Be safe and God bless you and your family !!!! Eddy
Thanks Ray!
Glad to hear your feeling better & thanks for video.
Thanks I feel a lot better!
Hey your looking a lot better today. Have a good evening. Love your videos
Put that ol steering knob through its paces Dennis, that's what it's for, and you are very welcome. By the way, glad you're feeling better.
I will! Thanks Martin!
That sucks! I'd be pretty bummed out with that. I hope you get better soon man!
Thanks we'll get it figured out.
Congrats on starting to feel better I know its hard when your feeling low. I hate all that EPA crap on tractors..but its here to stay.
Yep it's got to be on the for now
On my family's MF4710, they use it similarly to what you do (cutting/tedding/raking/baling hay). They usually fill the fuel tank 2 times and then top off the DEF. The DEF tank isn't quite empty but it would not go all the way to a 3rd fuel tank fillup.
Okay, so with everyones help here I'm pretty sure my tractor has a problem. I've got my dealer on it they are going to talk to Massey and see if they are aware of the problem.
It might get better after you run it more but for now I would have them check it and see if it sitting to rich or not but I would just top it off when you fuel to be on the safe side. Keep up the great video's
Yeah I always top it off when I get fuel, if I don't it will run out for sure.
it depends on how much def you have to put in to refill it, that will tell you if its gauge trouble or its burning way more than it should be,, glad your on the mend
You and your wife are both looking good. Looks like you have both lost weight. Great videos! Be safe.
Yes we have thanks for noticing!
very good to hear you are feeling better thanks for sharing Dennis
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I can't help but to wonder if that DEF tank's level-sensor is off and needs calibration like you were saying. Either that or maybe something's goofy with the pump for the DEF and its feeding in too much DEF.
Yep it's one or the other.
Hope feel better. Thanks for video. I’d probably call dealer. But you probably already have
Your right already got them working on it
I’d definitely have the dealer check it out because it shouldn’t be using that much, also when the warranty runs out if it were me and I planned on keeping the tractor for any length of time I would delete it and be done with it
I've been wondering about that. I hope you get that figured out. Hope it's something you can adjust or have programmed.
It seems to like Def
I know on my mine I fill both tanks up mow or bale 8 hours or so and def is still reg full ,I always top them off in morning so its hard to tell how much def to a tank will go.Now this is my first tractor that ive used def never heard of it before so I don't know if usage is extreme or not.Also I have around 240 hrs on it to....
Ok I fill mine every time I get low on fuel. I'm at 133 hrs.
Thanks for the video. DEF sounds like a PIA.
It's still better than the filter that has to burn out.
One of my fellow farmers has a new Massey 5613 with the DANA 4 transmission and If memory serves me correctly his def tank holds 5 gal. of def and has only 250 hours on it and has yet to use his second full tank of def.
That's good I've put DEF in mine about 8 to 10 times in 130 hours
That is some good top soil had grass in about 5 days
Awesome glad it worked for you!
i have a 2018 4710 drinking def pump when bad in 90 day dealer said they where bad put newer pump it better but still use alot
Mine has to be filled at every fuel stop but it doesn't hold but about a gallon
I have a 4710 and it uses a lot of Def also won't get through a tank of fuel before Def needs refilling other than that it seems like a good tractor
I really like the tractor, other than this one annoying thing
That's one of the reasons i have an old mb trac and why the estate i contract for bought a t5 with dpf on it so we wouldn't need Def and burns it's self clean.
Problem with the DPF is it will have to be replaced eventually at a very high cost.
DLH Farms I think the worst thing is, it's mostly a yard tractor so it is stop,start, all day which DPF hate. She's fair greedy on fuel because of it.
Hey Darryl.
Did you compare/look at the Kubota M5 or M6 tractors?
Know you had a bad experience with the lawnmowers, but wondered if you did look at them, what your thoughts were.
I did look at the M5 it it's a nice tractor. Biggest thing I didn't like about it was it had the diesel exhaust filter and DEF fluid on it so it basically has twice the emission equipment as the Massey or New Holland.
I can’t remember did the Massey come from Boone tractor in Danville and was collie equipment the Kubota dealer that u had trouble with just. Wondering
Nope and nope. The Massey came from Franklin Welding in Rocky Mount VA the Kubota dealer was in Mt. Airy NC
Mine does same thing I have a 4710 too and a tank of def won't last quite as long as a tank of fuel when I am mowing, at least as far as the guage says but when I fill it up it will only take a little over a gallon of def so maybe my guage is wrong also. Doesn't seem like it is quite as bad as yours though.
Ok so we must have the same problem. My dealer is going to figure it out so stay tuned for the answer.
My 4610m which is basically the same engine doesn’t hardly used def I can run three tanks of diesel before I get down to 15% def I use a 12ft drag type harrow and spray all my crops with it so it’s worked pretty hard I believe
I wish this one did that good then I would be happy
Check some of the forums and you'll find that the Masseys are having def system issues even to the point that some dealers are "encouraging" owners to delete the systems and they "look the other way" and honor the warranty just so the dealer shops aren't setting full of tractors with warranty def system issues. It could be worth looking into in the long run
I would delete it but you would have to have the computer reprogrammed to not shut the tractor down when the tank is empty.
I had a dealer tell me at at a hay day that if we found away around the emissions system to tell them. They also said they would not not cancel the warranty either if we did. Makes sense now.
Mine was doing that...they changed insides out 2 times...
Still harder on def than 4610
Enjoyed video. What is the death u r talking about running out, before the fuel runs out?
It's DEF diesel exhaust fluid. All diesel over 25.5 horse power have to meet strict govenment mandated emissions and this fluid is injected into the exhaust to reduce emissions.
DLH Farms wow, I had no idea that u had to do that on new tractors. Understand now why kubota did that to their mowers reducing horse power to get away from doing this. Good information and good to know. Thanks Dennis.
Yep that's exactly why that reduced the power on thier mowers.
I didn't want to mess with DEF. I did my research, bought a MF 4707. It is the exact same tractor as the 4710, same engine, except has different injectors in it to derate the engine to 70 HP. I can put the 4710 injectors in this engine and make it a 100 HP - and it still doesn't require DEF.
How are you liking the 4707. Def Isnt that bad when it uses the proper amount, the dealer is going to work on mine it's using to much.
I really like the 4707. I had a 81 HP JD that I replaced, this tractor is night and day better. I watched your videos about your 4710 in helping to make my mind up. I live in flat Florida, so I don't have to deal with your hills.
Good deal I'm glad you like it. I think the 4700 is a fine tractor.
Iv heard some of the latest New Hollands that have scr and diesel oxidation catalyst use more def than the older ones that just run scr, maybe that's the difference with the Massey as the T5 just has scr with an egr system i think.
The t5 doesn't have an EGR and it does have the DOC.
DLH Farms there goes that theory lol
Yep lol
I felt the same way and then I realized how small the DEF tank is, but that is a lot more DEF than I use.
Ok good to know, the dealer is looking into it.
I’ve read the comments and I didn’t see if you found a resolution to the def issue on the 4710 did it get resolved or does it just use a lot of def? Just curious thanks.
I think the problem is the def gage calibration the tank is supposed to hold 3 gallons but when it says it’s empty it will only hold about a gallon and a quarter
@@DLHFarms interesting thanks for the reply happy new year
I hate all of the emissions crap they put tractors now. Hopefully we'll be able to get rid of it or come up with a better system one day. From everything I've read on it, all of this stuff is just thousands of added dollars on the tractors and it's not "saving the world" in the slightest.
Yep but there is not way around it at this point if you want a new tractor. At least this tractor doesn't have the filter that has to burn out.
I know. I just wish that if we had to have it, they would come up with something better than DPF or DEF, but even if they did, they'd just charge more and more money for it.
wasn't there a fuel company which used to advertise that they would put a tiger in your tank? I guess the 21st century equivalent is DEF leopard... (never mind)
Lol 👍 good one
I liked it
You sound a lot better than the last video! I just could never buy anything with DEF. I’m hoping it was just a fad that will end soon. I heard it freezes?
PA Farms I have had frozen DEF. Nightmare ill tell you. To my knowledge it stats frezzing around 12°F
And in trucks it's a huge problem , when they get a 1000 liter tank full of frozen stuff, it cant be moved.
It will freeze but it's not an issue the tanks have heaters on them and the computer is designed to realize that it can't pump until it's thawed out.
I've used my T5 tractor, ram and ford trucks below zero with no issues they all have tank heaters on them.
The Quality of DEF can make a difference. With Massey Ferguson Dual NOx Sensor it reads the NOx gases post combustion then injects DEF as needed and the second NOx sensor measures the results. The lower the quality of DEF the more DEF that will be used to achieve the results needed. We have customers that have experimented with where they purchase DEF and we sell lots of the AGCO DEF and we keep out supply fresh. DEF has a shelf life dependent on temperature. Warmer temperatures can be around 12 months. Make sure you buy fresh DEF as quality will degrade over time. Also the RPM you run the tractor will effect DEF usage.
We are selling more 4700 with the Economy PTO as most do not need 1000 PTO In that size tractor. When you have lighter duty jobs but need PTO Speed using the Economy PTO will drastically reduce the amount of DEF used as it lowers the Engine RPM and NOx Gases are Created at High Exhaust Temperatures and lowering the Engine RPM will lower the amount of NOx created and thus use less DEF. Some customers are barely using any at all!
I use the same DEF in my T5 New Holland and my Ram truck and it last a very long time. I also run it in a Ford truck and my dad runs it in his GM truck with no problems. I have the 1000 PTO version of this tractor and I need 1000 occasionally for our straw blower.
Some DEF systems use a computer program to spray "X" amount that is what most do and Massey Ferguson did in the first generation DEF System on 8600 Series...if you need or not. With the Dual NOx Sensor it can vary the rate based on load and DEF Quality. The better the Quality the less DEF. Not sure what New Holland and RAM uses but not many companies are using the dual sensor and they inject DEF based on Computer Algorithm and get by. I just know that our customers are seeing differences in DEF Quality. I would have your dealer look at it and he can watch the NOx Gases and DEF Quality and usage with the EDT (Electronic Diagnostic Tool) doesn't sound normal and I actually have more customers calling asking why they aren't using DEF than saying they using too much. Why I'm thinking there is something not right with your tractor or sensors or DEF Quality. Might be something to test to see if it can help reduce input costs for you.
Thanks Vahrenberg! I talked to my dealer and they agree something isn't right and they are going to start investigating next week. I will make another video when we figure out what's wrong. You make good videos by the way I've watched a lot of them.
Keep us informed. I commented because it was not normal. Wish I could play in the fields like you get too. Loved the video on Draft Control with the Blade. Never thought of that use but makes draft control more important for others normally all we think of is tillage work. Love your from the heart videos...keep them real! Enjoy your videos and glad to see the Massey Ferguson in your fleet! Ever need anything let us know. we here to help!
Thanks a lot! My dealer is very good and I'm sure they will get it sorted out. I've always been a NH man but I've really enjoyed having the new Massey around. Might even buy a 5700 some day. I'll be watching for your new videos. See ya around.
That ain’t right the gauge must be off I didn’t realize it was that bad when we talked mine the worst it’s done is a tank for a tank your burning twice what I am
Ok, good to know I'm going to get the dealer to definitely check it out.
@@DLHFarms
Hello Dennis
What did you find out on the DEF usage, that just seems like you're using way to much.
I kept up with the amount used for a while for the dealers record, they said it was normal, Massey said that as long as it was using 10 percent or less of the fuel usage it was within spec. It was using about 5 percent of the fuel usage.
In other words if the tractor uses 100 gallons of fuel it should not use more than 10 gallons of def. It's using about 5 gallons of def for every 100 gallons of fuel. In conclusion the tank is just small and the gauge reads less then is actually in the tank makes it seem like it's using too much.
The system is built like this, you has about 30 to 40 % left. In Norway and europa we has had this sins 2006. On trucks, and yea first 10 years only trubbel. Pumps broke, and difrent sensors and so on. And if its colder then - 15 degrese celsius it freze. And it stop use def or ad blue. Yea it freze when its cets colder then - 11. But heater in tank. And if we run low, it says we can lose 40% horsepower. So system is built whit a exstra reserve 30 to 40 % . So gauge is ok, its howe it built. And it can be big difrens about individual trucks/maskin. Some use alot, some less. And this def/ ad blue, is a urea 33% in 66% whater solusjon.
I heard Massey is going to have Non DEF Emissions Next Year 2019 may want to Trade IN! Somethings wrong there a lot of Trucks and Diesel cars can go for about 3000 miles on DEF Tank. If its working hard I would think it could use Less system is hot enough to burn Clean.
I think your getting particulate matter and NoX gases confused. There is less particulate matter when working the engine hard but there is more NoX gases and the Def mixes with the NoX gases to cause them to become less harmful. So when working hard it has to use more def because there are more NoX gases.
You may have said it, digital def gauge needs recalibrated.
Yep I think I said that in there somewhere
DLH Farms our problem was on a 2016 cs64 sub roller. Def gauge was bad from factory.
Hmm ok good to know
how freash is your def also the harder you are working it will call for more def your new holland tractor may be running cleaner before the def comes in to play there are several things going on here do you have email we can chat threw and want to chat say so
My def was just bought, I need to find a date code on it, but my dealer thinks there is a problem either with the gage or the dosing module. They are going to contact Massey about it Monday.
I would have the dealer fix it right and give you a few gallons to make up for the extra it has used.
There supposed to be working on it.
Hmmm hopefully maybe the gauge is off, but who knows... This seems odd. Warranty!!!!!! Write that down to get it checked out sometime
Comparing our MF 7616 (160 HP) to our TS6 (130 HP), the MF is much better with def compared to the new Holland. Both tractor engines really don't work that hard majority of the time, but I've messured out that the TS6 uses about 1 gal of DEF per 20-30 gal of fuel, and the Massey uses about 1 gal of DEF per 30-40 gal of fuel. However, as you stated with working the engines harder, when the Massey is pulling more like for plowing in the spring, it uses a little more then.
Thanks that's good to know I'm useing over a gallon of def to 20 gallons of fuel on a engine half the size of yours, something must be up.
Sounds like the gauge could be off would be worth asking the dealer see ya Napa mike
The dealer is working on it, thanks Mike!
Maybe you are having a malfunction somewhere in the DEF system. Is it pumping too much, a sensor not working right, a leak somewhere in it? Off to the dealer, I think may be the best idea.
I think the Gage is just off a little
Why not put the New Holland Knob on your Massey? I was thinking something like that when I noticed your New Holland hat when you drive the Massey,...hahaha!
Sounds ( and looks ) to me like the DEF gauge is out of calibration, I think it's time to ask the dealer's service department a question or two on this one. There goes the economy!!!
I've talked to them there going to look at it someday.
Thats why I like my older tractors no def!
But new tractors are so fun!
Thankfully I have a 2009 New Holland and don't have to deal with DEF.
Def isn't that bad
@@DLHFarms I suppose just seems like a hassle and added expense.
If you ever want a new diesel you have no choice.
@@DLHFarms Yeah I know many farmers are buying older model diesels. I have seen a raise in auction prices for 80, 90 and early 2000 models.
Please excuse my ignorance but what is DEF?
It's Diesel exhaust fluid. It's injected into the exhaust of the tractor to reduce emissions, it's government mandated. Any diesel engine over 25.5 hp has to meet tier4 final emissions. This includes pick up trucks too, I have a 2011 ford that has def on it.
DLH Farms I appreciate you explaining that to me, glad you are feeling some better
No problem 👍
Ignorance is bliss in this case. Be glad you never had to deal with it.
Ask Bagwell Farms. That would be really annoying- you'll have to keep a container of def with you. All of the emissions crap on these tractors needs to go away!!
I already asked him. Seems his uses about the same as mine.
I'd confront the dealer with the problem
I have there looking into it.
Sorry, but what's Def ? Thanks.
It's Diesel exhaust fluid. It's injected into the exhaust of the tractor to reduce emissions, it's government mandated. Any diesel engine over 25.5 hp has to meet tier4 final emissions. This includes pick up trucks too, I have a 2011 ford that has def on it.
I would call the dealership. Something sounds wrong about that.
Already ahead of ya!
What's Def?
Diesel exhaust fluid
Def/AdBlue what a bully
I think i missed something about you being ill . No notifications😐. What was wrong ?
My twin daughters ask if that was a Thomas tank engine tent behind you?
Just a bad sinus infection. And yes that's Thomas the train. Lol that's my little boys tent.
I HATE the new Def requirement and if it was my tractor I would bypass that system all together.The farmer has enough headaches to deal with.
You can't bypas it without reprogramming the computer. The tractor will shut down without DEF
DLH Farms how much would it cost to have that done?. It would have to be a lot cheaper than spending several hundred dollars a year to buy the def to pour into the tractor in the first place.
As far as I know, know one offers anything to reprogram this tractor. it's also illegal.
DLH Farms Its not an on road diesel,so I'm not understanding why that would be illegal.If that was a semi-truck,that would be different.(ON road)
Dennis,there's a company called"DIESEL SPEC INC."(GOOGLE THAT)They are in business to delete the DPF requirement.I'm looking at their page that says"AG DIVISION"on it.You might just want to look at it and see what you think.
Something isn't right there. You might want to have somebody come and take a look. That definitely doesn't sound right
There supposed to be checking on it.
Rip all that crap off!!
You can't without reprogramming the computer, it shuts the tractor down when it don't see def.
Yeah you look like crap🤣🤣🤣‼️ But that doesn't make much sense to run out of def before your fuel. Thanks for sharing and get well ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Lol thanks a lot
Somethings wrong with your Massey Ferguson take it back to the dealer that’s not right
Yep I agree the dealer is working on the solution already
Get a John Deere.
Lol yeah then i would have an exhaust filter and def no thanks!
Just a joke they are the worst
Oh lol 👍 I thought you were a green troll
I put 20 gallon fuel and 1 Gallon def but guage showed on empty on def