Old vs Older - Can a Civilian Hummer H2 Keep Up with a Military HUMVEE Off-Road?
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cool I've always wanted to see a h2 vs humvee
H2: climbs around the boulder
Humvee: moves the boulder aside
Humvee is lighter. It weighs about what a Tahoe weighs.
@@gc99289 But that Humvee must be around the same weight as the H2. H1 being heavier due to the extra panels in the interior and the centre consol and others which the Humvee lacks
right the older humvees were only around 5200 lbs in base configuration. H2 are about 6600-6800 depending on options and aftermarket stuff. H1's were around 7000-7200. And H2 would move the boulder easier, more power more weight.
0:57 "we're here in camp dick, colorado. this trail gets really hard" 😂
The ride is So stiff..
😂😂😂
the combined MPG that day was 0.0001
At least 0.001
Gallons per mile
Its smiles per mile is how u measure that....
@@lt9690 That's very low smiles....
Fun per gallon, 45-51
I used to give drivers training with HMMWV and every variation of it to soldiers on and off road. They were still impressive offroad for only having 150hp and about 300ft/lb of torque. I was a mechanic (63B, at the time. 91B now) for 6 of the 9 years I was in. I wish he would've shown you the brakes.
The gearing definitely helps with that. Crawl right through.
Yup. BTM is so huge...
I would love to own one, I’d use it to live in and travel across country. I was born with a bone condition called osteogenesis imperfecta so this would be perfect I would never have to get out n work on it lmao my grandpa retired from AM GENERAL and used to test drive them all the time he would pick me up every single time and I remember how amazing it was as a kid to ride in a military hummvee much cooler than any Ferrari or lambo lmao
Also idk who this guy is. But we need more of him. I really like him he's super cool!
I bet your the guy commenting!
You mean Andre? He’s on a lot of TFL’s videos...
Jessa Phillips I think he’s talking about Theo the owner of the military Hummer
Thanks for the kind words!
Andre, can work part-time at TFL? :)
It's Bobby Lee from Mad TV...
The H2 is just soooooo cheezy. It’s a re-bodied Tahoe on 35s. Has fake hood grill, fake cowl air intakes, fake airlift hooks, and tons of other unnecessary plastic junk glued all over it. They were made for golfers that wanted a “badass truck” but couldn’t handle the rough, sparse attributes of a real truck.
Yet you sound jealous.. 🤔
Not far off, tho. Take a Tahoe and make it a bit more capable off road, and make it ugly as hell, and you have a H2
To make this an even more fair test, this should've been a test between a Humvee vs an H1 Alpha.
Because it has a duralast... I mean duramax and alli 5 speed?
That’s the longest I’ve seen a HMMWV drive without breaking down.
🤣😂🤣😂 this is a winner
@Jason Worcester exactly 💯
I donno... my H1's 6.5 TD drove for about 5 miles with a #8 cylinder wall crack and coolant pouring from every orifice. It could have made it a lot longer probably :P
I've driven the hell out of Hummers, never broke down. Had a mortar take out a tire and had a few 7.62X39 holes put in one of them, but it kept on rolling. The weak link in the desert is the air filter. Gotta keep that clean. On the standard H1 those vinyl doors never stay shut though. almost everyone has boot bands keeping them closed. Never figured how we could make a bomb that can go through a gnats ass at miles away but can't make a door that stays shut.
@@michaelconran5252 If it makes you feel any better, the civilian doors shut, and stay shut... but then over time will.. not open. Because you see the rods connecting the door lock actuators, the handle and the lock/latch were not up to the task - and end up bending themselves over time. One day you'll go to unlock your truck and... one door won't unlock. You fix it and the next day, the door opposite has the same problem.
Hey the Hummer guy who’s wife owns a furniture store is back! Cool guy, maybe he can join TFL crew
He's also got a Ford Raptor.
The LS Engine in your HV is legendary it will run forever if maintained well. I have one with 200k miles and seen plenty with 300k miles still running strong.
We r at 414k on our 05 h2 lol
I mean as much as I hate the 6.2 and 6.5 GM diesels they live for a long time time, though they are gutless
H3 vs H2 vs Humvee would be awesome to see 😎 Also, I hope y’all can get your hands on the Hummer EV once that comes out
All Alpha models though. Then each has the V8
The h3 would walk over them because its smaller
The H2 and H3 are dumb
I’m trying to get me a EV and have had my H2 for 13 yrs and wouldn’t trade it for another anything❤️Drive,tow,whatever she is a beast💪
@@dailydrivencommander6843 Only if you get the Champion addition😂
I've never understood the desire to ever own an H2, or even H3. They're not in the same class as a real Humvee.
Its practicality. I was looking to buy one or the other. Obviously a military humvee is always going to be more bad ass but I went with a h2 because of creature comforts. I overland offroad all the time with my son and being able to drive cross country at highway speeds as well as ready available parts is a big factor. You have to have a lot of know how and a lot of bank account with the humvee. That being said I would still love one but in my situation it just didnt pencil out. I'm very pleased with my h2 though
no. People wanted them because they we're big. Big was the thing at the time in america. Big anything was cool. So people didn't care that it didn't offroad lol
@@caseyberry6959 Why didn’t you get a wrangler?
@@marcd7332 I've had a couple jeeps. Had a nice old cj7 w a 350 chevy in it. It was fun. I like the room and capacity of the hummer h2. Its over the top big. The 6.0 liter motor is a very reliable motor. I have nothing against jeep like I said I've had 2 I just wanted something different. There is definitely a unique feeling driving a h2.
@@tebibyte2357 they are good offroad. And the question was buying a h2 or h3 vs and humvee. I've changed alot of minds of people taking mine out on the trails. Can I keep up with a Rubicon with a 10 thousand dollar lift and 37 inch tires... obviously no. But my bone stock 16 year old toy does pretty damn good. And on the trails it's the rig most people want to look at because there are so few of us that take them on the jeep trips
You need to get and updated h1 from predator inc. they also drop a new duramax in it tuned for anywhere between 500hp - 900hp. Would love to see one do a towing test 😂
yea but there almost 100k and u pay 60k for a makeover
I remember driving humvees in the army. For the non-armored M998's, they actually drove OK since they were pretty light. That naturally aspirated diesel v8 gurgle was music to my ears. Leg room, seating position, and visibility all left a LOT to be desired however.
Your off-road comparisons are more like a Sunday drive down a dirt road.
Your right but that's because most of the time they are driving new trucks that they get from the dealer, or factory, to use for a short time and can't risk beating them up. So TFL is basically being used as cheap form of marketing for new trucks...
Yeah their "off road" is very, very mild. Rav4 would have made it.
So true I learnt nothing he didn’t do anything with the cars. Can’t believe he thought any of that was challenging
He said he was rocks crawling.😆
I want to see them do this: czcams.com/video/pfy9a_gVVAM/video.html
Love the H2 videos, keep them coming!
We need more HumV’s on the trails to widen them up for us!! lol
You should try offroading in Europe. Even XJ is too big sometimes. LOL
I'm not from U.S, but the Hummer was my dream vehicle since childhood since I watched alot of Hollywood movies. If I ever able to get rich, I'll buy one :)
Military hummers go pretty cheap
@@JeremyBrightenburg how many usd n will they be in running condition?
You mean from all the HMMWV that rampaged through your towns as the US Armed Forces engaged in neo-colonial policy.
@@1danny2k Google govplanet humvee
You don't need to be rich to buy one. You need to be rich to own one.
She definitely needs the Duramax conversion but she's still a good girl.
Cummins more like
@@theriot519 junk
Duramaxs suck why do they put them in there
Even a powerstroke
@@officialgru420 Watch the videos by Predator Inc or visit their site why they choose Duramax over Cummins. The build Duramax engines specifically for the H1 and H2 from the ground up.
czcams.com/video/z2BaOfeZvT0/video.html
Dope comparison! Thanks André and TFL for awesome content. .
The fastest way to revive an H1/Humvee in 2020 is do a drivetrain swap with a new 6.6 duramax and a 6/10 speed. Turns it from an old, inefficient millitary vehicle into a viable tow vehicle/offroader. This 6.2 diesel is rated for 165hp and 330lb-ft of torque, and this is the high output version. The standard was 130hp and 240lb-ft. Amazing how GM's 1.6 turbodiesel puts out more hp and torque than this monster now.
The H2 is half suburban 1500 half suburban 2500. It was a really interesting hackjob from GM and personally I think there needed to be a HD tahoe on this frame as well (plus that 8.1 in a tahoe woulda been amazing)
The did the H1 Alpha, for like one year, in 2006. It had the duramax. They just killed the H1 line off afterwards.
@@crazyeyez1502 no i mean the 445hp 910lbft of torque duramax currently in the HD's. It turns the H1 into an actual monster.
@@james2042 that definitely would be better
@@crazyeyez1502 Chrisfix has an H1 with a powertrain out of a 2019 Silverado HD and it not only drives on the highway fine, it gets double digit mpg
Just gimme a 6.5 or an international 7.3 and I'd be fine, no need to go through all of the work of swapping some modern engine and trans in it when those would do me just fine.
The HMMWV on tickover sounds invincible.
Gotta love them army boys. 😁
You guys rock"!! I always see what I want to see hear ,and you guys have tons of video ideas!!!
Unique. Nice change from what we normally see on TFL. Gives you a perspective most will never have on the Hummer world. :).
during my early usmc days, i got scolded for losing the humvee key. tough times.
Lol.
Pog
For one of my MOS' I went to MT School at Camp LeJeune Semper Fi
Get me 1000ft of flight line.
Mine didn't even have keys
Love my H2, does everything I need bone stock....wheel at the deer lease where a couple buddies have gotten stuck in 4wd full size trucks...buddy calls it his Ram recovery vehicle...take it adventure camping alot back in the day, pulls my boat no issues...its a good rig, dependable.
Thank you guys. Great job.
Hey guys, I have a 2003 AM General M1123 Humvee with the 6.5 NA as well as Overdrive! Currently its got a lot of upgrades looks-wise but also rock sliders and a winch (soon to have some real nice tires and new double beadlock wheels with rock rings). If you guys ever want to drive it in a future video and hit some morel gnarly stuff let me know.
Awesome felllas. Thanks for the great video.
Great video thank you!
I wish that side by side rental company would teach their renters proper use. I’m surprised there isn’t more accidents back there. Great video tho!
The Hummer H2 IS a Tahoe underneath
Modified heavy duty 2500 chassy to be exact . Tahoe/Suburban axles are 5 lug nuts, H2 has 8. Google it for more differences ( such as a unique Born Warner transfer case specifically designed for the H2 in 2003 , which Ford put in the Raptor in 2017) etc
Great Channel I love the H2 content I have a 2008 H3 hummer alpha its stock it will be nice to see what it can do.
That guy needs to be on this show more often.
You guys are awesome and I love these videos!
I just got a humvee the other day the thing is a beast
I love the top configuration of the H1. But LOL at the 6.2, 180 or 190 HP is wildly optimistic.
If I recall correctly from research I did on Military Blazers, the n/a 6.2 like 140 horsepower, 240 torque.
And also watching him flip down that grill guard, I think it would be cool to add an extra set of pin holes so he could prop it up at a horizontal position, and use it as a table top for a grill or what not.
Iirc, that 190hp was for the turbo trucks. The 6.2 was rated at 150hp, while the 6.5 (na) wad 160. At least that's what i remember being listed in the operator's manual back in the day.
Also, the hood itself is great for use as a table... lol. Personal experience, there.
Great vid!!!!
Front wheels on the HMMWV look “loose”. Are the ball joints on the lower control arms good? Can really see it in the shots coming straight towards the camera and the intestate shots.
Nice to see you Teo on this channel again. Stay safe.
Great video. Love your channel. 😀😀♥️
Being in the Military I've thrashed around my fair share of HUMVEE and I will say that Soldiers just beat the crap out of them and they just continue to keep on truckin. If I had the land I would totally get a surplus one and try to convert it to be registered I know there is a Place in Utah that sells and registers them, but I think it's for off road only? They aren't the most comfortable trucks and are SLOW as molasses on a cold winters day but they will get you though pretty much anything if you know how to drive one and use the gearing. I did about a 3.5' water crossing in one and just plowed through.
@Panzer Track Oh yeah that's the name I remember.
Great looking trucks , love the hummers , God bless
It’s kinda funny how ppl complain about humvees 150 hp engine,
Off-road conditions require no more than 80 hp to get you going pretty much anywhere, caterpillar dozer is only 200hp but look what it does, same applies to Humvee, put it on low range and 150hp combined with unbelievable 5.7 gear ratio, Humvee will tow 600hp truck without blinking.
I'd love to have an H1. This gentleman's H1 is awesome! I've learned a lot about the H2 since you have featured it several times. Its way better than I thought, I always thought it was just a Tahoe. Its much better!
This isn't an H1. It's a HMMWV. A H1 has an interior to speak of. It also has a bit more creature comforts like a 4 speed transmission :D You can go check out the TFL At home video I did of my H1 to see some of the differences between this truck and an H1. czcams.com/video/7wiksi1B6t4/video.html
As @@nothingtoseaheardammit said, yes. The H1 is the model sold via civilian dealerships, with all the creature comforts. While his HMMWV is a true military surplus vehicle, and is about as bare bones as it can be.
On todays episode, two hummers drive down gravel road then through mud puddle. Lol
Yeah right. Big ass phukin rocks
Too true the 10 miles outta my neighborhood here in Texas has worse roads and way deeper water crossings than that lol
What’s your opinion on the H1 hummer that Northern EV has?
They only have three videos and those are really short but I have to say I like it.
11:00 It's not weird. The hubs are for the necessary gross vehicle weight rating and the smaller axle is for the low towing capacities. My 98 ram 12v cummins nv4500 truck cam with a dana 80 hybrid axle. Was a dana 80 differential to handle the torque, but had dana 70 hubs because it was a 2500 and had lower GVWR capacities.
I like Theo. I hope we see him again!
Cool vids! I just subscribed to the channel!
Way back in my Army days. I learned to drive the humvee more like a mini-tank and less like a “crawler of rocks”. I feel the humvee could have gone 15-30 mph faster on the same terrain the h2 would have to navigate slower. This video did not capture the coolness of having a real humvee vs an h2. It was more like the humvee hosted a dance party but out of respect for its guest wouldn’t dare bust a move and show-up. Great video, severely underplayed the capability of the humvee
Would of been nice to see you actually take on anything challenging... a corolla could of got thru most of that
Andre when are you going to finish the interior of the H2?
humvees are the most stiff rigid ride with uncomfy seats ever and I like em
Guys really hope you make the grand battle of big SUVs like Yukon AT4, tahoe, bmw x7, merc gls, & more
Let’s see the h2 up against an h3 offroad
Good job 👍.
Theo is pretty chill lol
Can you do the civilian h1 hummer with the interior etc
Vs the h2
Love to see that!
My personal gripe with the H1 is that I'm 6'7" and it's just not comfortable. It definitely ticks all the boxes for me for doing work around the farm and dealing with mud, snow and off road but I just can't fold myself up enough to live with it every day. If the seat moved another 8 to 12 inches back maybe. Shame since I definitely have a use for one.
Andre, if you want to do a similar video of the H2 vs H3 I would live to volunteer with my H3.
Another awesome independent suspension off road rig.
Good job, thx, amazing! 👏 🙏 ♥️
Well, hopefully you can pull off these rides against the Hummer EV sometime!
Very cool vid guys...keep making THESE...not the ones where you have guys standing TALKING about vehicles...
Could you guys do like a regular tow test the h2 vs the hummer
Did anyone else hear this 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭 0:59
I bursted out laughing
Dose humvee has any lockers? thanks !
One thing I don't get on the H2 since they used the H1/M998 as a starting point, was why they had the hood latches stay on the hood. It looks like they did it right on the old M998, they stay on the body, probably that way on all of them. When you go to close the hood on the H2, the straps always get in the way because they dangle from the hood. I'm going to see at some point if there's an easy way to reverse the straps on my H2, so they stay on the body not the hood.
H1s and Humvees break a lot of stuff offroad! I have been a Trail Guide for multiple runs with my H2 on 38s leading H1s on 42s, I did everything they did without breaking! Yes my H2 has upgraded Kyrptonite Steering and a Front Locker but I was up and over stuff and waiting at the top while the H1s snapped halfshafts, ball joints and even exploded transfer cases. The Point is that every truck has it's weak points, sadly the H1s have a bunch of them and the parts are ridiculously expensive! As well, the driver has a major part to play in whether an Offroad rig lives or dies!
A lot of H1 owners buy their trucks thinking that they're indestructible - then do stupid stuff like upgrade their tire size without upgrading their half shafts, stub shafts and gearing. It's no different than if you took any other vehicle and jacked iit up to put giant tires on it - expecting that it will be just as reliable as it was from the factory. There's on particular H1 shop (*cough*Predat*COUGHCOUGHCOUGH*) that particularly preys on the un-educated H1 owner.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit Yes Very True! However, even with 12100 half shafts the H1s can still shear the diff output shafts or pinion gear...seen it several times! And Yeah I am not a fan of PRED**** either, I guess they are exactly as their name says! Stick with Mod Mafia or Rubber Duck for H1 stuff!
You also gotta figure in the age of most of these surplus military vehicles. 1992 was almost 30 years ago, plus the abuse they received during their service.
Guys, could you list down for me the upgrade of the front suspension of hummer H2
Great job Andre! You didn’t drive Theo’s pride and joy into a body of water...😉
One of the great TFL moments when Andre was in an HV that started to flood.
H2 my baby
You guys need to do a 2010 H3 adventure vs other makes and models
As much as I love the H2, you can't deny that the H1 is the bosses of Hummers. They should have continued making them if it wasn't for those pesky regulations.
You can thank GM for that. It was 2007 and the "fit hit the shan" as it were - the 2006's were the "Alpha" H1's with the Duramax engines in them... then GM found out that - as a company - the were broke - and the Hummers (all of them) bit the proverbial dust. AM General lost the marketing and engineering support from GM to further develop the Alpha platform so it just stopped.
If the timing was better, the Alpha probably could've saved the H1 platform.
The Hummer will lose every time trying to follow a Humvee of the terrain gets narley. The H2 isn't anything other then a 3/4 ton Suburban chases with a different body. A better test would be between a Humvee and a H1.
Except it has lockers and adjustable height suspension, but yeah, you’re right. What do you expect though, GM wasn’t going to make a unique civilian truck when they have so many truck frames to pull from. Although, if they could ha e added portal axles to the H2 it would have given it a lot more ground clearance.
Hummer H1 and HMMWV have very limited differences unless you were comparing a Alpha. Vs HMMWV at one point certain ones were rolling off the same assembly line then one stayed in that factory the other got rolled across the street and got military things armor radar reflective paint etc
Did you have to put a green leaders book or a Kevlar over the exhaust to get it to start lol?
I empty out a water bottle and kick it up the exhaust. It forms perfectly to the shape and is the perfect diameter. Works every time. When it starts it kicks it out for you.
@@jamesdunn6200 ill have to do that next time thanks man
Just use the TM to block the exhaust. I mean, you should already have the TM out while doing the inspection....... 😏
@@crazyeyez1502 not gonna lie I don't think I have ever pmcsed a humvee just tanks
@@noahbontempo6985 it's all good. I was a wheel vehicle mechanic. Till i switched to 88m
Is that a military surplus Hmmv or an H1?
Would be nice to own a HUMVEE, swap in a newer diesel drivetrain, comfy seats, and some charge ports. One day....
This is like a dad and son going fishing trip
Very Good!..
Man that track width, forget river crossing, you could drive the length of the river with wheels on either bank.
True story, I drove an up-armored humvee through down town Chicago, with a partially severed break line. Good times.
Never liked the H2 or H3. It's just a typical GM over-styled wannabe. All the fake bumps and intakes says poser-mobile to me. Plus, I winched too many of them with broken front end parts off the trail with my CJ-7.
GM tried, but failed, to do something with such a great brand.
Very cool.
I heard the H2 Hummer has the same chassis as the Tahoe and a lot of same parts. It's basically a Tahoe but heavier and slower. If a Hummer can make it a Tahoe definitely will too.
It really can’t lol
What were y'all testing? Ride quality? Cause there definitely was no capability testing between the two. Lol
I have one love it 2003 h2
They both have one thing in common other than the "Hum" In their name and that is chugging fuel.
My H1 gets 12mpg on both city and highway. Drove mine yesterday up to the Maine mountains and back ...... filled up when I got back. Not any worse than any full sized truck. The 6.5 TD actually sips fuel at higher RPMs relatively speaking.
@@nothingtoseaheardammit 12? That's a pig. Way to care about the environment. It's stupid.
No comparison. One is an actual off roading vehicle and the other is a Generic SUV.
10:56
Can we take a minute to notice, that this dude just called the AAM 9.5 and GM 14 bolt... light duty?
Well, he was referring to the axels but there's no front axel really on the H2 since it's independent. The H2 of course does have a rear axel and I think it's light duty to go with the half ton rear frame section they used for some dumb reason. Couldn't make it 100% 3/4 ton.
@@n3d.studio When referring to a vehicle's axles, the majority of the time they're talking about the differential carrier/ differential itself. So being ifs doesn't excempt it from having a front axle.
Furthermore, those axles are pretty much the heaviest axles GM has ever made, so while the springs in the rear are light duty, the axle itself most certainly is not.
@@okigojuryu Ok, 9.5" rear? Didn't look that big when I was under mine. The Tahoe is 8.6". It's just the frame and suspension that's light duty in the back for some reason. I thought it might be the axel too. The front and midsection are 3/4 ton all the way thru. They could have easily made the rear section 3/4 frame. My F150 had a 9.75" and that was 1/2 ton. F250's are 10.5". Might be why I didn't that it was that big. Seems about 1/2 ton size when I was under there but It's GM, different brand.
He goes on and on about the air suspension too but I"ll just go ahead and say it here first: they suck. I got rid of mine and replaced with big springs and they are always up. Got tired of coming out to see it on its ass every day. Air sus is great when they work right but they all leak at some point. If they go out on a trail like that, would not be fun getting it home. Yeah you loose the self-leveling and extra 2 inches of clearance but just put 37"s on and add 1" lift.
@@n3d.studio the 9.5" is the front one, dude... rear is GM 14 bolt... look it up...
@@okigojuryu I did, dude. It's 9.5". Yes 14 bolt. Just saying. My f150 is same size and it's 1/2 ton. I have F150 and H2. Don't look much different under there by size. And Expedition, has a 5.4 so also 9.75 rear end, half ton frame.
I was just wondering when andre and tommy went up in the snow where is the h2! And not it’s here lol
If you really want to see what that humvee can do contact the public affairs office of Camp Pendleton and see if you can take their driving course at they put the Marines through.
You smartly bought the diesel, man ive heard horror stories of the gas v8’s in the military spec.
This brings back memories of off roading in RC East Afghanistan.
Can't wait to see you do this side-by-side again with the GMC Hummer EV.
Aндрей, так ты плавно перейдешь на тестирование вертолетов и подводных лодок!! Молодец! Мне нравятся твои обзоры! У меня одно время был Рубикон.Трейдед ит ин фок Тойота 4Раннер. Но когда он у меня был, реально было желание повесить шилд "Hammer Rescue Vehicle"
how can the wheels be wider than the wells, what if the suspension is totally compressed?
What camera system does Theo have?
2 type s cameras