Tenergy 19 or Rakza Z which is a better backhand rubber?
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2022
- In this video I will compare two completely different rubbers in terms of characteristics. But what they have in common is that players often decide to put them on the backhand. I will try to explain which one suits me better in which segment of the game and which one I have decided to use in the future.
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Very nice review. Keep the good work. Thanks from Brazil 🇧🇷
Bravo Dario! Super video, lijepo si sve objasnio. 🙂
Great review. Subscribed! Keep up the good work!
Thnx
A good details review, thanks for the English subtitle.
Super si pojasnio razliku i zainteresirao me za Rakzu, pogotovo zbog toga što oprašta ako pogriješiš u čitanju rotacije....konačno nešto i na hrvatskom! samo tako dalje
Hvala Zdenko. Upravo je to i cilj. Uvijek ću objavljivati na hrvatskom s obzirom da skoro pa opće nema videa na tu temu na hrvatskom. A što se tiče kvalitete sadržaja, dajem sve od sebe :)
Really nice review, keep it up. Maybe you can compare Gewo Codexx to 09C
I just ordered a Gewo Codexx EL PRO 52. It should be at my place in two weeks, so I'll play with it for a while and then do a review.
The comparison of Codexx with Rakza Z and Dignics 09c is finally published -> czcams.com/video/-8puFywe0hg/video.html
Great video, Dario!
I wonder: Have you tried the Rakza Z Extra Hard, yet? Would love to know how you think it compares to the Dignics 09c on FH.
Thanks Tim. I haven't tried RZ EH yet, but I plan to.
In my opinion Dignics 09C is much much better than Rakza Z Extra Hard. I've tried them both. 09C has more spin, better feel, and is easier to activate the sponge. It was easier for me to get big power out of 09C.
A comparison of Rakza Z and Sieger PK50 would be interesting.
Thanks for your suggestion. I have never played with any of the Nittaku rubbers so it would be interesting to try. By the way, if you haven't seen it, I published a new video 2 days ago comparing Rakza Z, Codexx 52 and Dignics 09c -> czcams.com/video/-8puFywe0hg/video.html
@@DarioGrd Yes, I've seen the other video. Really helpful! Well done, and keep it up!
Pk50 vs Rakza Z vs Dignics 09c vs Xiom J&H H vs Tibhar Hybrid K3
thanks for English sub
I would like to see a comparison between tennergy 19 and 64
Afaik, Tenergy is no 48° by any means just 1-2° degree softer. Even though Yasaka is a right choice, you have to factor in durability, which is a concern on ESN and it wears off after several weeks. The way I see it, ESN isnt worthy at that price tag range, I rather stick to reliable Tenergy.
Very good video Dario, I would like to ask you a question since I value your opinion, I usually use Raksha Z but it is sold out all over the world, I can't find it anywhere and I need a rubber, could you tell me if it is the same as the thibar k3 ? Can I replace it or are they very different... which one do you prefer? Regards
Thank you. I've never tried K3, so I can't comment on it, but I plan to try K3 in the near future. As a replacement for Rakza Z, I can recommend Codexx EL Pro 52, you can watch my comparison of those rubbers in this video czcams.com/video/-8puFywe0hg/video.html . According to my information, Yasaka had problems in production, i.e. there was a lack of material and the Rakza Z was not produced for the last 9 months, but supposedly it should be available again for sale from next month.
@@DarioGrd Okay, thank you very much for your answer. I look forward to your analysis of the K3. Hopefully the Yasaka thing is true and this coming month I can find it, the fact is that I have been waiting for it for months and nobody tells me when they are going to have it and the truth is my favorite right-hand rubber because it gives me a lot of sensation on the racket , they are 50 degrees of hardness, but they feel like 47 with a very Taki rubber and a high arc. I have liked it a lot since I tried it, so I was looking for a substitute that gave me very good sensations and a rubber with enough grip to replace it with if they didn't make it again. Regards my friend.
Fantastic video! Why don't you use 09c on the backhand, because I assume you tried it since you use it on the forehand?
Yes, I've been using the 09c as a FH rubber for over 2 years now and I'm very happy with it. Of course I tried to play with 09c on the BH. I can say that it is very good on BH as well, but it suits me much better on FH.
As I change rubbers 3 or 4 times a year, the price of Dignics prevents me from having it on both sides of the racket :)
Also, Rakza suits me even better on the BH than 09c because it's slower.
Both rubbers are totally different and it is very difficult to say to whom it could be used as a backhand rubber depending on the type of game of each one, the Rakza Z has a hardness of 51° and is an extremely tacky rubber and the Tenergy 19 has a hardness of 44° and not tacky at all Slightly softer than the Tenergy 05, I would recommend the Rakza Z for forehand and the Tenergy 19 for backhand but it all depends on the type of game of each person, there are players who do not hit from the backhand, they only pass it, control it and rush the ball, so I would say that for a medium advanced level the rubber of forehand can be of hardness that best suits you and for reverse a hardness that does not exceed 45 degrees
Exactly. Tenergy is easier to impart spin on the ball with, because of the relatively softer sponge. Both rubbers are spinny. It might be true that the Rakza Z is slightly spinnier (mainly because of the tacky topsheet), but the harder sponge makes it harder to create quality shots with that. These "Chinese-style" rubbers require a different technique than the European rubbers. As for Tenergy 19, it works great for both forehand and backhand for me. I'm planning to try Rakza Z out, but if find it not that cool, I'll just stick to the 19. Luck that I've found this video, because it compares just the two rubbers I'm interested in.
@@phenthohn7303 it won't be "cool" . As you said yourself it's more difficult vause it is not for the amateurs looking for the easier way. If you work hard it will reward
@@alexandervarna8085 Righft, but if you struggle with that for too much, that is only a waste of time. By cool I meant that you can easily adapt. Sometimes a rubber is just not for you.
Currently using H3 neo both sides and planning to used Rakza Z or Rakza 7 extra hard on my backhand, Do you have any suggestions(or alternatives in Xiom Brands)
From Xiom, the most similar would be Omega 7 Hyper, Omega 7 China Ying or Guang and Jekyll&Hyde H 52.5. I haven't tried any of those 4, so it's hard for me to recommend.
You can watch the video where I compared three hybrid rubbers: czcams.com/video/-8puFywe0hg/video.html
Hi Dario, Im thinking of buying the Viscaria Fl blade with Tenergy 05 2.1 on FH and Tenergy 19 2.1 on BH. What set up would you recommend? My forehand is stronger than by back hand. I mainly use backhand to chop, block, push and serve.
Hi. This is a great combination of rubbers and blade, but it's hard for me to recommend something specific without seeing you play.
@@DarioGrd what backhand rubber would you use for chop, serve and topspin?
@@elitetaxis1976 there are a lot of rubbers that are great for that. if you have good technique and a slightly harder rubber is not a problem for you, then Dignics 09c is good for the above. it's great for me. if you want to create spin more easily and have a slightly better block, then Dignics 80 or Tenergy 19.
@@DarioGrd what thickness would you go for on Backhand for tenergy 19? Thankyou for all your help
@@elitetaxis1976 no problem. I always choose max thickness
Thank you Dario. Could you test please a blade DHS Fan Bo B2X? Why? Because it is different from Batterfly, because it is cheap, 50 backs, because it has 9.5 score on Revspin site, because it has 1350hz sound, because it might be a good choice for the intermediate players 300+ raiting . And I've heard a lot of good reviews about it. Similar as Long 5, not the same but, innerforce ALC. What do you think?
Thanks for your suggestion. I will put it on my list of possible future reviews, but the list is quite long so I can't promise anything.
@DarioGrd Thank you Dario. If you check CZcams, where is no review for it there. There are 2 reviews only from russian guys and no one good on English. So, if you do it soon, you'll get a lot of reviews, I believe...
Hi Dario, how would you compare lifting the backspin with Z compared to Ten 05 for backhand?
Hi Alexander. I have more control with the Rakza Z than with the Tenergy 05. Especially in the short game. So on a short backspin ball (serve) it is easier to lift the ball over the net (flip). I also have more control when attacking long backspin balls.
@@DarioGrd thanks a lot. My son is 17, training since 9, he is playing a lot of BH. At the moment he is with Ten 05. The problem is when he tries to play short what is more and more now,, 05 is difficult to control especally in the sudden situation. As a result he is giving away too many easy balls. On the other hand , when he is prepared he flips and makes great top spins. What woulв be the change with Я,
@@alexandervarna8085 yes, I agree. To me, the T05 is also great away from the table, but it is too bouncy at the table. With all hybrid rubbers like Rakza Z you get more control.
Butterfly all day for backhands🏓
Pozdrav Dario, zanima me kakva je Rakza Z na FH? Jesi probao igrati sa njom na FH? U slučaju da mi ne odgovara na BH da je probam na FH. Koju imaš ti na FH?
Kako igram na FH sa DHS hurricane 8 dulje vrijeme u tom slučaju bi imao dvije ljepljive gume pa me brine jel to baš ok i što bi dobio u tom slučaju u toj kombinaciji.
Zašto misliš da je to guma za BH ako možeš pojasniti.
Pozdrav. Na FH igram s Dignics 09c koja je isto blago ljepljiva. Kao što sam spomenuo u video, Dignics 09c je manje ljepljiv od Rakze Z. No, po meni opće nije loša kombinacija da su na FH i BH ljepljive gume. Naravno ovisi o igraču što mu odgovara i kakvu tehniku ima, ali vrijedi probati. Rakza nije skupa ko Dignics recimo, pa se lako isproba. Probao sam igrati na FH s Rakzom Z, ali meni je malo prespora za FH i ima preveliki luk, što mi za FH nije baš najbolje. Ja bi na FH prije recimo onda stavio Rakzu Z Extra Hard, jer ona je brža i malo tvrđa od obične Rakze Z.
@@DarioGrd hvala za savjet i pojašnjenje...isprobat ću svakako...lp
@@zflorjan nema problema, nadam se da će ti odgovarati i da ćeš biti zadovoljan
Pozdrav...kakva bi bila kombinacija tenergy 19 na fh a rakza z na bh za naprednog rekreativca?
pozdrav. moguće da će biti dobra kombinacija, zavisi kakav vam je fh, a kakav bh, ali takvu kombinaciju nećete baš često naći jer većinom igrači tvrđu gumu stavljaju na fh, a mekšu na bh. kod vas bi to onda u ovom kombinaciji bilo obratno, ali ne znači da vam možda ne bi odgovaralo.
Dario koja je guma bolja za bekend Rakza 9 ili Rakza z.Hvala Mario, pozdrav
ovisi ako ti odgovara tvrđa spužva na BH i to kaj je topsheet ljepljivi, onda rakza Z. po meni je rakza Z najbolja guma iz rakza serije, ali to ne znači da bude svakom odgovarala, jer su udarci s njom malo drugačiji nego s recimo rakzom 9 ili 7. lakše je dati spin sa rakzom 7 i 9, nego sa Z, ali ako imaš dobre pokrete (malo duže) onda u konačnici možeš više spina dobiti s rakzom Z. ako više štopaš i ravno udaraš na BH onda bolje rakza 9. ako koristiš flick i više orijentirani na spin onda rakza Z.
Weight is important consideration. Despite all pro if rubber is heavy, it will not be considered. 52g is just too much.
Hello, what is the thickness of Rakza Z rubber you are using?
Hi. I always use max thickness only.
I use Rakza Z on forehand and it does a lot of things very well. The thing I am a bit bothered with is that I feel that I lack linearity in the spin production. My coach says I need to hit thinly, but I find that trying to hit thinly with this rubber makes my shots very inconsistent. My coach is used to coaching european style and every player in my club is given xiom vega pros. Hitting thinly is for sure the best way to produce maximum amount of spin with Rakza Z, but the margin of error increase by a lot. In a club setting, I am what you would call a beginner level, a bit over the ranking you would give a player the first time they start playing ranked games. I am used to hitting with the blade since I played with Hurricane 3 Neo before -- I was using the flex of the blade as the catapult and not the rubber as catapult. Do you think Rakza Z on forehand could be played like this as well? ... or is it just my level that limits me from being able to hit thinly with this hard rubber and that I should try playing with a softer Euro-type rubber? I feel that its hard to judge wether or not I am impacting a lot of spin on the ball when it goes hard. However, when I get a thin and slow hit, most players at my level will struggle with the spin. Maybe the force kinda kills some of the spin when they are blocking it? I am also considering going back to DHS H3 Neo since I believe this develops a strong technique. Thanks for any feedback and I have a lot of videos of me playing on my channel.
Yes, I agree with your coach on the way to create spin. As for the difference between the H3 and the RZ, it's big in the throw angle and if you don't like such a big throw angle, maybe then the RZ is not the rubber for you. The only thing that is not really clear to me is that it is much more difficult to produce a larger amount of spin with the H3 than with the RZ and with H3 you need to put a lot more power into the shot and also hit thin with a large swing. So if you can create good spin with the H3 then it should be even easier with the RZ. The only thing to watch out for is that high arc from RZ.
@@DarioGrd I think people in coaching situations and in forum discussions get lost in the terms they are using. To me, hitting thin and also put more power into the shot is contradictory, but I suppose this combination is possible because the sponge is harder? Also, I still cant find a good definition of throw angle and what it is actually physically doing to the ball.
@@z0uLess the harder the sponge, the more power is required to activate it. and thin contact is required to generate spin due to the stickiness of the topsheet.
@@DarioGrd "with H3 you need to put a lot more power into the shot and also hit thin with a large swing" so which is it? power or thin?
@@z0uLess for spin thin with big arm swing and acceleration
I haven't played Tenergy 19, but I tried Rakza Z extra hard. Rakza Z extra hard is quite slow unless you are very strong player. It was very difficult to fully activate the sponge.
Rakza Z extra hard was quite easy to control, but I found it difficult finish points with that rubber. I disliked Rakza Z extra hard so much, that it doesn't make me want to try the normal Rakza Z. I'm currently playing Dignics 05 on forehand and Tenergy 80 on the backhand, but I've been thinking of giving Tenergy 19 a try. What's the difference between Tenergy 19 and Tenergy 80? On Butterfly's website the ratings of Tenergy 19 and 80 are nearly identical.
The last time I tried the Tenergy 80 was a few years ago, so it's hard for me to compare it in detail with the Tenergy 19, but yes, I think you're right and they are quite similar rubbers.
As for Rakza Z EH, it is quite similar to Rakza Z, but what bothers you the most about EH is not so pronounced in the regular one. But if you didn't like EH so much, then you probably won't like regular Rakza Z either.
what what the reason you chose Rakza Z extra hard ? What is your level?
Tenergy 19 more spinny, Tenergy 80 more speed and good for flat hit.
I'm using FH T 80, BH T 19. And i like it.
It would be interesting to see a boosted rakza z, dignic 09c and dignics 05 as a backhand rubber. I think softening them up would be a big advantage. The dignics 05 might become to uncontrollable for me i think in the backhand.
Hello Dario, I am using dhs hurricane 3 blue sponge on both viscaria and long 5 blade. I am confused which bh rubber should I use? Tenergy 05 or rakza z. I like tacky rubbers personally but I am worried rakza "Z" might be too slow :)
Maybe then it is not bad to choose a hybrid rubber. Which is slightly sticky and yet not too slow. See my comparison of 3 hybrid rubbers: czcams.com/video/-8puFywe0hg/video.html