Is anti-spin rubber a magic rubber in table tennis?
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- Is anti-spin rubber a magic rubber in table tennis?
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Anti spin isn’t ideal for beginners or even intermediate players that haven’t developed great forehand and backhand strokes using normal rubbers. You need to develop great attacking shots on both wings before making that transition. You have to twiddle if you want to make it to a high level or your opponent will expose you giving fast dead balls to the back hand every time. Once you develop a good standard with back hand and forehand and learn to twiddle mid rallies ect your level will be higher. Actually takes a high level of knowledge of spin to be able to fully master this style.
Thanks. Your video was about 90% of my comment on your last video and I am happy you agree. Anti spin or pimples can be challenging but at least it's not like the atrocious no friction asymmetricly cut long pimples. That was actually unfair
Like anything else, it is very rare these days playing against penholders (even J-Pens), choppers and those using Anti-Spin Rubbers. Therefore, hardly anyone have practise against them and hence they didn't know what to do during matches.
The key is that if you spot anyone playing with different style, try rallying and practising with them to get familiar or getting more comfortable. If not, then program a robot to have similar features of the balls being returned without a playing/hitting partner.
Table Tennis is all about learning and adaptability. Those who can experience all kinds of playing styles, will come out far ahead.
Self-proclaimed, but unverified: World Champion, coach, and tournament referee with over 40+ years of experience in table tennis? You got any proof? I am calling this one, Old Troll or Wrinkled Catfish.
Very helpful thnx for the info😄
Thank you for this interesting video on antispin. I use (gloss) antispin since 3 years and am quite happy with it. Indeed it is not easy to master but can be very efficient.
Wonderful!
When you first play against a good antispin player or long pimples, it feels like if you went back to the days where you didn't know how to play, as shots that normally go in will go out and you'll hit lots of nets or send the ball out. It takes a lot of mental energy if you haven't played against them a lot, since balls look easy to hit but they actually have a different spin than you expect, and if they twiddle then it's twice the mental effort. Also, I like dynamic table tennis, and these rubbers make the game slower and more tedious to play, in my opinion.
But as you said, it's not easy to play with long pimples or antispin, and I like playing against people who think that long pimples or antispin are the holy grail and they just keep giving you spinless high tosses.
I've been playing with anti-spin for a long time and it took me a year to master twiddle the racket so that it was consistent. I don't think anti is the holy grail at all. It is clear to me that in the end, and from a certain level, anti is a disadvantage. But I've been playing like this for too long to change it, although I often want to get rid of the anti rubber. As for how you play against players with anti, that depends on the player. There are players with an anti rubber that you can easily beat, and there are players with an anti rubber that can easily beat you.
@@amadeusbmAnti spin rubber is like a limitation to both players. It is like copying the other person's skill without actually having it yourself. Anti spin is only mostly used in low ranks and not in top tiers. Because anti spin players usually don't have the skill or commitment. (Like it or not, it is true for most anti spin players)
Hello, what about anti-spin on FH? My set-up is Animus Victoria 2 blade (hinoki - rosewood - hinoki - ayous - hinoki), Joola Ryzhen CMD on BH and Yasaka Anti Power on FH. My style is mostly push-blocking with both sides and hitting with FH. Which are your advice to exploit setups like this to the fullest? Cheaper alternatives to Joola Ryzhen could be Palio AK47 (blue or yellow sponge) and Palio CJ 8000 Biotech 42°-44°? Any other advice? Moreover, for a push-blocker style with anti-spin is it better to use a blade with soft outer plies like limba or hard outer plies like rosewood? Thanks. Fabio
Играю антиспином уже 5й год, он доставляет мне удовольствие в игре.)
Игры получаются довольно весëлыми и зрелищными.
Когда я проигрываю, понимаю, что нужно ещë многому учиться и осваивать новые приëмы, стабилизировать основные техники.
Главное, что впереди ещë много работы над собой, над своей техникой.)
Цель - играть хорошо обеими накладками с каждой стороны и успевать понять когда какую накладку использовать и правильно менять технику их использования - это большая задача, но я уверена что это возможно, пока я к этому стремлюсь и работаю над этим.)
For real, I used to play against old grandpas, they use pips to defeat you. I see it mostly used when people are not that good moving their legs. They simply stand at the table unmoving, use their pips and watch you struggle while they simply have to push the ball and that's all.
not a magic rubber, it can’t generate it’s own spin, and usually it has dampening/absorption sponge,
you just need to familiarize yourself on how it returns all kinds of balls: underspin, topspin, nospin, sidespin 😊
I partly agree with you, but the only way to learn how to play against special rubbers is to practice as much as possible against it. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how great your table tennis skills are (which John Hilton at the ETTC 1980). It is an advantage for people who may find it difficult to improve to higher levels, since it does make the sport a totally different thing. However as you say, it is not considered cheating. It's something that we just have to accept, whether we like it or not (which most people probably don't).
As you said, it is all about practice. These guys have a really hard time against people who know how to play against this. I can usually beat players with pimples or anti-spin rubbers much easier than others on the same level. I cannot even remember when I last lost a match against a player of my level that used pimples or an antispin rubber. Of course it still depends on the rating of the people. If they have a much higher rating, I still have no chance.
This narrator's voice is much better and relatable
This is his own voice
Anti spin rubber is like a limitation to both players. It is like copying the other person's skill without actually having it yourself. Anti spin is only mostly used in low ranks and not in top tiers. Because anti spin players usually don't have the skill or commitment. (Like it or not, it is true for most anti spin players)
Your English is actually so much better than a year ago, the accent is fading away wow
1. I like his original accent
2. Can understand him fine
3.The new voice isn't his amd sounds computer generated
@@haivhoang
1 I do too
2 I can too, easily
3 This video is with original voice I think, just cut weirdly sometimes
@@haivhoang i think it sounds kinda weird, like ai generated, but if it's actually his voice, its very remarkable his improvement
@@haivhoang maybe it is generated using vall-e X?
He developed American accent, better English not so much
u DO know pingpong!
let me add something for somebody who used to be a pimp rubber player.
the pingpong world has discriminated out the penholding pimp out style by not making anymore ,like the old yasaka rubber. the closest thing to that today is the dr. neuberg's monster classics(long pip - a disnomer.)
i can do anything with it that i used to, including the hardest forehand hammering the ball.
and it almost require its owner to, like u incredibly said, roll the blade on the ball, the
potentially most effective skill the old penholder and future evelope pushing young player.
(my eyes is on, u might have guessed it, miwa harimoto, if she wants to break thru the great china wall.)
Anti spin rubber is only reducing the amount of spin on the ball this can cause opponent confuse with the ball spin, high rank players are not using anti spin or long pips rubber.
Long pips rubber only make reverse the spin of ball
Modern anti spin rubbers have a severe spin reversal, so not only do they neutralize your opponent's spin, they turn it around and send it back, which is very dangerous.
What the name or series of modern anti spin that you mean?
@@winterwinter9131 Look for antis from Materialspezialist or Dr. Neubauer. Almost all of them have the above characteristics.
Also, nice content
So which anti-spin rubber do you recommend and which thickness with which blade?
there is no answer to it. depends on the player himself. there were lots of players that told me to go for a carbon blade with a fast forehand and slow antispin which didnt work for me. so i decided to go for a full wooden blade that is slightly slower with a fast forehand and fast antispin
Why should I use an antispin rubber when I can also play like Kreanga? Only in my dreams though, haha. I still prefer hitting ripping backhands and forehands from everywhere :D
Hello, its a good Video but.
I hope you know. Mladenovic use a GLANTI = like a Mirror. Spin stays in the Ball.
The normal Anti has a little bit friction. The normal Anti Rubber terminate the Spin of the Ball.
Mladovic say that him self in Broadcast in CZcams.( German Broadcast)
Sorry for my bad English, im German.
So, the rubber is "magic" to compensate for an "ordinary" player? In another word, a player relies on a "magic" rubber, not on his/her real skills.
Thank you for your work on this video
I use Butterfly Tenergy 05 and Butterfly Dignics 05
@Rububers anti spin
I am asked:
,, How can you use Butterfly Tenergy 05 and Butterfly Dignics 05? your ball slips How can you play without spin? ,,
Coach, please make a video best tacitics for anti spin player. I am anti spin player and I have tournament for 4 days so if you can make that video on sunday it would mean world to me
Isn't the only tactic you can use is blocking and placement?
@@blueheart9873 I mean i like to chop
I have an excellent drop shot with my antispin.
@@Ilovetabletenis you never want to chop with your antispin. it is too slow most of the times and since you cant generate spin by yourself (only if you play antispin with friction, which isnt "normal" nowadays anymore). so you need the enemy to play a very very very strong topspin with insane spin. but the plasticballs lose insane much spin over time so as far as it is at your, that is staying away from the table, the ball already has very less spin. Then playing the ball back makes it a dead ball. try to chop with your anti and you will see everyone that understands how anti works will smash your chops immediately
Did u win?
Nice video as ever but... you just talk in the video about frictionless anti spin rubbers that usually are not for choppers. What about classic anti spin rubbers as nittaku best anti that are suitable for chopping far from the table with a lot of spin!!!
I play super anti on forehand, and can hit and drop shot, but my backhand is powerful with dignics.
@@cjohnson9237 Hi!!! I play with nittaku best anti in the backhand and tenergy 19 in the forehand on a defplay senso. I think that this kind of antis are better for varying
Unless Table Tennis get's standardized like Tennis it will never attract international audiences
Its a very easy rubber to go from beginner to low advanched player. Little bit same advantage as long pimples but with more limitations away from table. The problem with anti is that its so damn boring to play with. You more or less use same stroke al the time. Sort of a push stroke with a very loose touch. Played it for 6 month with okey result. But its so much more funny to play normal rubbers or short pimps.
But I would say long pimples and anti are going forward since the slower and heavier plastic ball. Would say that 50% of the best players in my district plays long pimps or anti.
i dont think its a very easy rubber. i play table tennis since 17 years now and i started playing anti after 16 years. i was used to long pimples and normal rubbers but when i first tried antispin i was like: what the fucking hell is this?! you have no feeling for the rubber and the ball. even after more than a year now it still feels sometimes like this
With the anti-spin coating, I play chops, blocks, topspins, smashes, long and short balls, balls to the sides of the table. (Of course, there is little or none rotation). Is it boring enough?
@@amadeusbmwell my opinion its little more challenging than long pimples require more skill to play at an decent level. But mostly you use the same push stroke all the time just lifting the ball a little. But it is not as easy as just blocking as you do with long pimples. Half anti is more fun to play and you can do a lot similar strokes as you can do with normal runners.
Still long pimple-low skill required for playing at okey club level.
Anti spin rubber generates underspin when you block a topspin with it
it doesnt generate it. it just gives back the spin you play. if you play backspin and the antiplayer uses his anti, you receive topspin. if you play sidespin, the antispin player gives your sidespin into the other direction. its like a mirror
@@TheSunnyHands and if you play topspin, then the anti-spin material will generate underspin when blocking.
Anti spin and pips player should play in para Olympics
Anti spin rubber just like sticky rubber both of it work for what the player want... they are not junk it's player effort dude... Anti Spin to neturalise spin and sticky rubber to create more spin...
Exactly, anti-spin is a rubber with lower friction (not zero, such coatings were banned). Sticky rubber is a rubber with higher friction. Actually, the difference is only in the degree of friction. Even offensive covers have different levels of friction and different hardness of the sponge.
Can't master the game. Why not increase the table size & the ping pong to the tennis ball size.
As a anti spin player for many years I can tell that you dont undertstand the concept
Using anti spin is ok…. But twiddling is unfair
Twiddling requires more attention from the opponent. Many players do not have it and play through muscle memory. But a quality player has it, and he plays for a specific ball.
You just said almost nothing 10 times in two or three different manners. This was anti informative information to those who bite on cute KEY words of a promising video. Thumbs UP anyway, cause I watch your channel for a good reason.
people like long rallys and anti spin is the definition of short rallys bcs pros dont know what they are play against and antis have his limit
also the anti technic is with higher standing, so people think he is a noob xd
i honestly wish there was less hate for anti spin, because at the end of the day its just another way of playing and failure to play against anti spin is the fault of the player themselves.
I think It shouldn't be allowed
EmRatthich, I agree that at a high level the person needs skill to use the rubber.... I am in the US so our rating charts may be different. Anyway 2000 level is probably around 3-5% in the US (or closeish). So when a person with literally the skill of a 1300 level player (for instance) beats a solid player of say 1800..... Well I have seen this and been on the bad end of that stick.... It is bull shit. For professionals well I can't attest to that.... But I can say with certainty that there are a lot of people that use JUNK rubber because they can't win otherwise. This is competitive spinelessness! And at the lower end levels of the game it FOOLS many into thinking that they are the more skillful player. Hog wash! In fact, JUNK rubber is precisely why table tennis bat colors were changed to red and black. I just watched a match with Truls Moregaurd and some junk rubber player and it was just non-sense to watch. There is NOTHING you can say that would change my mind that this is simply detrimental to the sport of Table Tennis. now having said that. Improving our skills against such rubber is the key to beating it, however, should we really have too? Don''t answer, that is rhetorical.
Yeah, in the US it's very common to see people who barely move their feet and don't even hold the paddle properly playing at around 2000 with junk bullshit rubber. I had to train 5-6 times a week for 5 years to achieve the same level. I still routinely lose to such people. You basically need to be around 2200 to reliably beat anyone who uses junk with zero skill, and that's not good for the sport. No other racquet sport will allow playing with a drastically different equipment which was specifically designed to counteract standard rubber.
If a high-level player loses against an anti-spin rubber because he can't read the spin and control the game, he is not a high-level player. No doubt.
Reading spin is certainly a skill required for any level of play. But your comment does not address the topic. The fact remains and you can't deny or defend this..... A person using junk is NOT relying on his/her own skill. They are bringing something artificial to add to whatever skill they do have. THIS IS SIMPLY NOT GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP OR IN THE SPIRIT OF GOOD AND FAIR COMPETITION AND SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL. Why it is not is beyond me. Even the governing bodies acknowledged there is a problem with it.... otherwise.... why did they change too two distinct colors because of it!?
@@orionmec Practice more, be more attentive in reading the rotation and in reading the situation on the table and you will have no reason to call approved rubber "junk rubbers", just as I don't call "junk rubbers" those rubbers with extreme spin or extreme bounce that I could also call "junk" rubbers if I wanted to complain instead of training. The different color of the rubbers was needed since the BH was given different rubbers than the FH, which is the standard today.
The reason for the two colors was most definitely "Junk" rubber. And yet you still avoid the real issue. FYI... my real playing days are over so it is not a personal gripe and has not been for many years... However, It is for what is good for the SPIRIT of competition, One person's skill against another's.....
Anti-spin is the wrong term, it's frictionless.
First to comment
Still can't beat 10 years old Chinese national team
can eat them for breakfast infact ..try out lin gaoyuan, even he might lose.
@@24ghosh24 why put choke guy there, try lin shidong. He will smoke this guy out
@@kuchikibyakuya7697 yes ofcourse. theres someone better than everyone out there.lets not put this guy down coz even he is one of a kind.
Looks horrible like special olympics trickery
Special Olympics is "horrible trickery"?
@@tobiasvikr472 yes it is. That is why Table tennis is not attractive on TV or stadiums, thanks to the long pipper horror show.
you have so many great videos, but this one is nonsense. anti spin and pips users are 99.99999999 percent junk players. keep up the good work tho!
Is it true that Chinese players get to use rubbers on their rackets that are more superior and far advanced than anything anyone from around the world gets to use? If that's the case, then they already have the advantage in equipment before the first point is even played, right?
So, to be fair, maybe someone should open another league or tournament where everyone must use the same equipment provided by the tournament or league. Only then, will we ever see pure skills vs skills. What do you say, China? Wanna play?
Firstly, if everyone were to use the same equipment, the game won't be table tennis anymore, it would be ping pong.
Secondly, a player's equipment can only be good as the player. China superiority in Table tennis is more because of the sheer amount of practice they have, not because they are using boosted H3N. Not to mention, they have so much of the population playing the sports, of course the level of table tennis would be much higher. I get hating China, but what is the point of hating their national team? It's a call for other nations to do better.
@@meemoozee
If everyone uses the same equipment, then players will have to rely on their own minds and bodies to develop the better techniques, styles, and strategies if they want to be competitive, instead of relying on an external source such as a racket.
If you and I were to play one another, and we are both equally skilled at everything, but I beat you only because I have the better racket. You know you will call that unfair. But if I were to lose to you with my better racket, I would feel even more embarrassed than usual.
And it doesn't matter how much practice, training, or experience you have. Look at Harimoto 5 years ago when he was 14 and Ma Long was 30(?). Those 16 years Ma Long had over Harimoto didn't mean anything. Harimoto was able to be competitive with Ma Long. And look at Timo Boll (42), he's more than twice as old as Harimoto, but he's no match for Harimoto.
And who says anything about hating anyone? If anything, I am actually more embarrassed for them if they can't be for themselves, knowing the only reason they have been so successful is because they have the advantage in equipment. And if they want to call out other nations to do better, then the only fair thing to do is to allow them to use the same superior equipment.
@@cuongtkong58 okay, fair. But if everyone were using the same equipment, alot of styles will be eliminated. Lets say everyone is using Dignics 09c on Viscaria, or everyone is using boosted H3N on W968, you will see that everyone is playing the exact same style. Different strategies will be needed to beat one another, but style will be totally similar. I think that with variation in equipment, we get to see different styles, which makes table tennis more entertaining to watch. It would be a pity to see certain styles such sas defence, anti spin or penhold to go extinct just because the equipment don't suit their style
@@cuongtkong58 Players already rely only on themselves. Impact of the equipment that professional players is not that big.
It is impossible to unify all hand size, fingers length and thickness, height of players, their wrists etc etc. That's why there are lot of different paddles with different sizes, weights, handles, materials - everyone could find a good combination of paddle + rubber that fits his physics and technique. Otherwise there would be another advantage for the one who got good compatibility with one standard paddle. And yeah, some play styles require different equipment.
Btw all rubbers and rackets should have an approval from ITTF so no "cheat" rubber or paddle could be used.
@@meemoozee
Every league/tournament out there are already allowing players to use their own preferred equipment. I am only suggesting maybe we should add one or a few more (league/tournament) where everyone goes in there "blind," so they won't know what kind of equipment (same rackets provided by league/tournament) they'll be using until they get to the table. It would be interesting to see how the players: act, react, play. And since everyone already must play on/with the same tables, nets . . . why not the same rackets, also?
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Say what you may, anti spin or long pips rubber spoil the game enjoyment. It is totally anti climax. Yes, it adds diversity to the game but the anti climax out weigh the diversity.
I disagree, i love playing against players with long pips. Makes for really fun matches, often with long challenging rallies. Atleast on my level, which is nowhere near top level.
@Overwatch vibes All right :-)
I agree 100%. The only reason people use such rubbers is to gain an advantage because otherwise they usually lose. They should be banned.
@@inquistive then everyone use the same inverted rubber the whole world, friendship 729,no need tenergy,hurricane, etc.
@@MuhammadNordinMSaud In tennis, squah and badminton the players all use different strings and different rackets and so in table tennis it should be the same and using Tenergy, Hurricane, Friendship etc. would be fine.
However, there are no rackets in tennis, squash and badminton that cause the same amount of 'disruption' that pimples do versus inverted rubber.
All players should either use pimples out or pimples in then it would be fair to all.