This is a joke .. if we want to open that door .. then lets look at trade barriers erected against Weimar Germany that led to mass printing of money .. lets look at Japan's invasion of China in 1933 .. lets look at the western powers rejection of Stalin's over tunes for an alliance prior to Stalin's approach to Hitler Complete total joke
@@Pavel-wj7gyUkrainians helped a lot ! There was famous Ukrainian commander Shashko Bily that defended Grozny. But I guess he help was not on the huge scale.
Every Friday is like Christmas since you started having Massaro & Melaniya and I'm like a little kid already asking myself on Wednesday "is it Friday yet? is it Friday yet?" The synergy between you two is so amazingly thought provoking that I always end up watching the video twice to catch the things I missed the first time thru. Keep them coming. slava Ukraine!
Agree. Paul's & Melaniya's streams are one of the most interesting things I have seen on CZcams ever and these two fit together perfectly. Slava Ukraini!
Melaniya asks where did the idea come from that the West are the only colonialists/imperialists? As an up close and personal observer of the 1960s anti-war movement, it is disinfomation fed to organizers from the hard-core socialists scattered in and among the various grass-root organizations. It served as a way of being accepted and establishing your bona fides as a true believer. And it is still hanging on to this day. It is like a password necessary to be accepted and trusted in certain circles, kinda like election denial. The fact that Russia happens to be omitted from the list of imperialists is a pretty good indicator of the source of the idea.
For me, being that this war is the first war online. It's never going to fade. I will forever be in love with Ukraine. And hope that I can visit the country before I die. With as close as we can get to the frontline by following channels that are there. This is really for real on a totally new and different level. I am not a decision maker. I do fax our representatives though. I live in PA, so you know what I am working with and our government. I send faxes because the government can't ignore a paper trail. Faxes are the last paper trail. And I do it once a week! Slava Ukraini! ❤️🇺🇦❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇦❤️
I live these conversations between you two! I always learn so much and it's cool to see you talk through things and learn from eachother. It's just fantastic! My only complaint is that you have way too many ads playing during your episodes. But I will suffer if I need to.
Yeah, we get to correct a lot of people on the fact that Poland is Central Europe. Depending on how you count extreme points usually the geographical center of Europe is located EAST of Poland (Belarus and Estonia)
I want Universal Healthcare Medicare for All Bernie’s version in the USA 🇺🇸. A moderate position in Europe, I’m told. At the same time from a Human Rights perspective I’m totally with Ukraine 🇺🇦. I can hold these two thoughts at the same time. I break with fellow Progressives who can only see the Iraq 🇮🇶 war as bad (true), while giving a blind eye to atrocities a million times worse which is what Russia 🇷🇺 is doing in Ukraine 🇺🇦. All I had to fo was see the bombing of Mariupol civilians and the NATO expansion argument fell away. The mask was off. If Ukraine 🇺🇦 and Georgia 🇬🇪 had been allowed to join NATO as Bush wanted, these wars wound never have happened. France 🇫🇷 and Germany 🇩🇪 blocked it thinking it would provoke Russia. Proposing joining and being rejected is exactly what put both countries directly in Russia’s line of fire. Ironically rejecting membership was the provocation, failed deterrence.
I see right now, the fighting is in a small area all fighting for control of the roads. If they move back and the mud dries, and the tanks can use the fields, it becomes like Kursk where there are miles and miles of people and tanks going both directions and few places to hide. Why wouldn't you want to keep it in a small area where you are the defenders. You do NOT want to have them turn Kramatorsk or Slaviansk into Bakhmutian rubble. One Mariupol is enough. Great job guys. Paul, I am so excited for when this atrocity ends. I envision you getting into Ukraine, rolling up your sleeves and working on Anti-corruption with the Government and getting the people to buy into why it has to happen and working towards EU and NATO acceptance. Melaniya, I can't wait to see what you do to also move your country in that direction. You have excellent communication skills in a language that isn't your own so you are probably even much better in your native language. I hear Kira Rudick a lot and I love her enthusiasm which is much like yours. I just can't wait to see what Ukraine becomes in its rebirth as you leave Russia in the dust~
Well, to be fair we sometimes look at the US and think of the movie 'Idiocracy' - it is a great caricature. Afterwards we look at our own country and think "hmm.. are we that different?"
On the topic of acknowedgement of past atrocities, remember Germany came to terms with its past after WW II because it was flattened and wholly occupied by allied powers. Compare that to WWI where Germany lost but was never occupied. That allowed the myth of the great betrayal to take root contributing (along with war reparations and inflation)to the collapse of the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Nazis. Russia is not going to be occupied after the Ukranian invasion and NATO will never cross its borders. What kind of hatred will continue to fester there after defeat at the hands of NATO? Russia will sit safe behind its borders with its hypersonic missiles, its submarines and its nukes. There will be no contrition or acknowldgement in our lifetimes….
China wants back its former territories from Vladivostok up to the Urals. For decades China send annually million migrants colonialising Siberia creating many new chinese towns & settlements. Most probably ruSSia gets crumbled out of this war
Ive been to india and it was weird seing a swastika next to a star of david on a building but it's not like OOh nazis, nooo the symbol is somewhat different because there are dots placed between the braches of the cross
PAUL, CAN SOMONE please tell the Ukrainian Armed Forced to use machines that can be controlled remotely and can shoot remotely. There are also tanks that can shoot from 3 -4 km away. Different types of machines like this are already invented and work. I haven't heard you talk about this solution yet for Bachmut. In this way Ukraine could save many of their soldiers while (remotely) killing the invaders.
For people that do not understand or see Russian imperial ambitions here is just one little small thing. After WW2 what countries did the allies occupy and what countries did USSR occupy? A hint is "Warsaw Pact" compared to NATO alliance. But of course a course in Russian history the past 700-800 yrs will do.
Finland was neutral in its foreign policy, but they always knew who the enemy was. One defence minister got a whole lot of shit in 2008 for openly saying in the US that the only security threat the Finns faced was russia, while they had only drilled for war with the russians since 1945. It's to the point where southeast in Finnish is synonymous with "the enemy direction"
Zolkin who interviewed Russian POW`s... The orcs believe WWII started in 1941.. The bewildered POW who disagrees with the war know it started in 1939.. Sometimes he had to show them google result(the orcs).. The current germans deal with their history constantly, they sometimes feel tired by it.. But they are still awesome..
Paul, as a boomer who grew up with the Cold War & the Cuban Missile Crisis, and as a student of WWII, I feel qualified to dress you down a bit. I do NOT know about Milleniel Socialism but the Communism of the Soviet Union is NOT Socialism. I consider myself a Socialist in the vein that I don't mind paying more taxes so that people who have less than I do can have more than they have. I agree on taxing the shit out of the rich. I wish we in the US had nationalized our fossil fuels. If that money wasn't in the hands of a few or the wags at the top of say Exon then we too could have National Healthcare and free/low cost university. My daughter who is your age, had to pay $1700, a year while living at home to go to UC San Diego. That's ridiculous. She didn't qualify for any fafsa as I a single mother, made too much money at 60K which is nothing. So I am a Socialist at 70 because I want income to be more equal. I love the way of Socialism in Scandinavia. But what Russia did to Socialism to get Soviet Communism is not what Marx envisioned. I don't think Marx would have been cheering on the Holodomor or the Red Terror.
Yeah it's unfortunate that they're engaging in this neoliberal equivocation over left ideology. And it's especially galling that they're doing revisionism of their own.
15:40 ...No, Melaniya, you are not a conspiracy theorist...Those people come up with some crazy ideas all the time and just call it truth. You are just keen to how some people are and seeing possibilities
Don't forget other colonialism which led to the belated reaction of other countries. As always the problem is in the public that tries to protect their interests rather than uncompromisingly speak out, even if that might lead to them having to apply self critic. This was the problem in the 1920ies / 1930ies and again since the late 1980ies / early 2000s (Afghanistan, Chechenya, Georgia,....and so many others in all parts of the World)
I love ya, Paul, but your analysis of the origins of WWII, historical revisionism, the nature of the USSR & the Cold War is dangerously simplistic. This is a multivariate equation & you’re thinking in terms of 2+2. You don’t have WWII without WWI for starters, and that’s where shit really starts to get confusing. (BTW: ask someone whose family is from Manchuria about Japan & when they think WWII started.)
Melaniya, can you please come to Norway and be our Prime Minister, we are in extreme need of a Prime Minister with a brain and that actually knows how to use it to think with...
The problem with Russia and Western countries goes further in the past than WWII... Russia had always teamed up with Germany against strong central / Eastern Europe... Also, other West European countries preferred to have Russia and Central Europe weak. Look at the war in 1921 / 22 when Poland could finish Bolehevics and help to restore Ukraine. It did not happen as France and UK had different interests. WWII could never happen if the UK and France would do anything serious in 1939... In 1944/45 USA and the UK knew who Russia is. Hunger in Ukraine was known. Katyn was known. The stories of Anders Army were known. So giving Poland and other countries under Stalin power was difficult to explain... A strong narration had to be created for the people of the West (read change of the history) to rationalize what was going on... I know Polish history quite well, and I know what happens from 1944 until 1989. What I am excited about now is the first time “East Europe” is strong and uses the power of media and politics to keep the Western people informed... What I am excited about is that Joe Biden understands what's going on in Russia and Western Europe... I hope that this time the Russia-boarding countries in Europe will not wait for help from the West, but will cooperate for their security (political, economic, and military) which I believe can exist next to old West European countries for benefit of Europe in total.
For Melaniya: I feel like the last segment about reconciliation and getting on the same historical page would be a great way for Ukrainians to relate to African Americans and people of color here in the US. I’m Cuban American, so in that way I have never felt that oppression because I can pass as white, but I am gay and I think that I relate to Ukrainians in this constant struggle to be treated as equals and not fear violence against myself. I know a lot of Black Americans feel similarly (especially in the context of slavery and systemic racism) and they’re a group that hasn’t been reached yet bc it seems like we only care about Ukraine because you’re mostly white. Tbh I feel like y’all have a lot more in common with myself as a person of color and as an lgbtq person in America and it may help reach Black Americans to talk about this more. Slava Ukraini ❤️
We do not only care about Ukraine because they're white, though that no doubt helps relatability. Any American with any geopolitical or historical sense is well aware of the devastating consequences to come if Ukraine were to fall to russia.
@@kkpenney444 More than that US & UK as signatary warants of Ukrane's Sovereignity & Independence in the '94 Budapest Memorandum must got involved even since 2014 when ruSSia illegally invaded and annexed Crimea
Japan started WWII by invading mainland China. Change my mind. There are two distinct camps within the socialist community, and you're crapping on the one that agrees with you about Russia and Ukraine. Some of us want socialism without the authoritarianism of the former USSR, and don't want any of the fascism of the RF. That is to say, some of us agree that ALL imperialisms are bad. Don't be blinded by the neoliberal ideology of your own; accept your allies where you find them, especially ones that value democracy more than you do.
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Slava Ukraine…done,done,done & done…💙💛💙
This is a joke .. if we want to open that door .. then lets look at trade barriers erected against Weimar Germany that led to mass printing of money .. lets look at Japan's invasion of China in 1933 .. lets look at the western powers rejection of Stalin's over tunes for an alliance prior to Stalin's approach to Hitler
Complete total joke
Ukrainian terrorists grab people on the streetczcams.com/video/wmOitc5WL_M/video.htmlsi=DjOHPXgKNv6koLxA
You're absolutely right, that they're both started WWII.
Paul, thank you for supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦
As always, thank you for sharing this discussion with us🇺🇦🇺🇲
слушаю и читаю через переводчик.Чеченцы с Вами солидарны👍👍👍
And Freedom to Chechnya from the oppressor Russia!
Мы совершили ошибку, что не помогли вам в 90х. Надеюсь больше такого не повторится.
@@Pavel-wj7gy огромное Вам спасибо за добрые слова.все будет хорошо с Божьей помощью
@@Pavel-wj7gyUkrainians helped a lot ! There was famous Ukrainian commander Shashko Bily that defended Grozny. But I guess he help was not on the huge scale.
@@Pavel-wj7gy ми зробили багато помилок свого часу
Every Friday is like Christmas since you started having Massaro & Melaniya and I'm like a little kid already asking myself on Wednesday "is it Friday yet? is it Friday yet?" The synergy between you two is so amazingly thought provoking that I always end up watching the video twice to catch the things I missed the first time thru. Keep them coming. slava Ukraine!
Agree. Paul's & Melaniya's streams are one of the most interesting things I have seen on CZcams ever and these two fit together perfectly. Slava Ukraini!
@@vaataja Just researching . together you are perfectly fecked. Slava Ukraini is a Nazi Salute.
Melaniya asks where did the idea come from that the West are the only colonialists/imperialists? As an up close and personal observer of the 1960s anti-war movement, it is disinfomation fed to organizers from the hard-core socialists scattered in and among the various grass-root organizations. It served as a way of being accepted and establishing your bona fides as a true believer. And it is still hanging on to this day. It is like a password necessary to be accepted and trusted in certain circles, kinda like election denial. The fact that Russia happens to be omitted from the list of imperialists is a pretty good indicator of the source of the idea.
You totally right
Lefties can be just as ethnocentric as right-wingers.
For me, being that this war is the first war online. It's never going to fade. I will forever be in love with Ukraine. And hope that I can visit the country before I die. With as close as we can get to the frontline by following channels that are there. This is really for real on a totally new and different level. I am not a decision maker. I do fax our representatives though. I live in PA, so you know what I am working with and our government. I send faxes because the government can't ignore a paper trail. Faxes are the last paper trail. And I do it once a week!
Slava Ukraini!
❤️🇺🇦❤️🇺🇸❤️🇺🇦❤️
Not the first. Not even close. It’s just the biggest European war to kick off during the social media era.
This was a very interesting conversation. 🇺🇦
Thank you for your hard work Paul. I love listening to your interviews. Respect from Bulgaria.
I live these conversations between you two! I always learn so much and it's cool to see you talk through things and learn from eachother. It's just fantastic!
My only complaint is that you have way too many ads playing during your episodes. But I will suffer if I need to.
Fabulous discussion 💙💛 👍👍
Another fantastic conversation!
Great conversation
Thank you !!!
There's nothing glamorous about war, but you have to defend yourself when attacked. Great discussion both!
Thank you, Paul, for supporting Ukraine in these trying times
HAVING Massaro & Melaniya IS WONDERFUL
Yeah, we get to correct a lot of people on the fact that Poland is Central Europe. Depending on how you count extreme points usually the geographical center of Europe is located EAST of Poland (Belarus and Estonia)
Excellent work as always! Please keep it up!
I want Universal Healthcare Medicare for All Bernie’s version in the USA 🇺🇸. A moderate position in Europe, I’m told. At the same time from a Human Rights perspective I’m totally with Ukraine 🇺🇦. I can hold these two thoughts at the same time. I break with fellow Progressives who can only see the Iraq 🇮🇶 war as bad (true), while giving a blind eye to atrocities a million times worse which is what Russia 🇷🇺 is doing in Ukraine 🇺🇦. All I had to fo was see the bombing of Mariupol civilians and the NATO expansion argument fell away. The mask was off. If Ukraine 🇺🇦 and Georgia 🇬🇪 had been allowed to join NATO as Bush wanted, these wars wound never have happened. France 🇫🇷 and Germany 🇩🇪 blocked it thinking it would provoke Russia. Proposing joining and being rejected is exactly what put both countries directly in Russia’s line of fire. Ironically rejecting membership was the provocation, failed deterrence.
Germany and France blocked it because their government officials were paid in kremlin bucks to block it as well.
I love this podcast so much😍 please come back with it, it’s great
Great discussion
You guys speak so much truth, thank you for another great episode!
Top !!!
I see right now, the fighting is in a small area all fighting for control of the roads. If they move back and the mud dries, and the tanks can use the fields, it becomes like Kursk where there are miles and miles of people and tanks going both directions and few places to hide. Why wouldn't you want to keep it in a small area where you are the defenders. You do NOT want to have them turn Kramatorsk or Slaviansk into Bakhmutian rubble. One Mariupol is enough. Great job guys. Paul, I am so excited for when this atrocity ends. I envision you getting into Ukraine, rolling up your sleeves and working on Anti-corruption with the Government and getting the people to buy into why it has to happen and working towards EU and NATO acceptance. Melaniya, I can't wait to see what you do to also move your country in that direction. You have excellent communication skills in a language that isn't your own so you are probably even much better in your native language. I hear Kira Rudick a lot and I love her enthusiasm which is much like yours. I just can't wait to see what Ukraine becomes in its rebirth as you leave Russia in the dust~
Well, to be fair we sometimes look at the US and think of the movie 'Idiocracy' - it is a great caricature. Afterwards we look at our own country and think "hmm.. are we that different?"
aaaaawh sht. , can cancel everything out for an hour now. :D
Haha
@@apmassaro3 Check out cartoon Young Justice , there is made up country called Markovia, and everyone there speaks Latvian.. :D
Everything you discuss is something so important for everyone to remember in order not to get caught in the russian narratives. Simply amazing episode
This interview is going to be a bonanza for clipping shorts, I couldn’t stop laughing during the stereotypes segment.😂😂
you guys are phenomenal
On the topic of acknowedgement of past atrocities, remember Germany came to terms with its past after WW II because it was flattened and wholly occupied by allied powers. Compare that to WWI where Germany lost but was never occupied. That allowed the myth of the great betrayal to take root contributing (along with war reparations and inflation)to the collapse of the Weimar Republic and the rise of the Nazis. Russia is not going to be occupied after the Ukranian invasion and NATO will never cross its borders. What kind of hatred will continue to fester there after defeat at the hands of NATO? Russia will sit safe behind its borders with its hypersonic missiles, its submarines and its nukes. There will be no contrition or acknowldgement in our lifetimes….
Russia’s in the process of becoming China’s bitch. They’ll have fun with that.
China wants back its former territories from Vladivostok up to the Urals. For decades China send annually million migrants colonialising Siberia creating many new chinese towns & settlements. Most probably ruSSia gets crumbled out of this war
Just because NATO isn't going to occupy it doesn't mean that PRC won't.
Ive been to india and it was weird seing a swastika next to a star of david on a building but it's not like OOh nazis, nooo the symbol is somewhat different because there are dots placed between the braches of the cross
We who paid attention in school know what was Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact about.
Musk: rich is not always right
Great discussion pushing back on the moskal imperial worldview! I know some Czechs and/or Slovaks who might have some opinions on some things.
100%
PAUL, CAN SOMONE please tell the Ukrainian Armed Forced to use machines that can be controlled remotely and can shoot remotely. There are also tanks that can shoot from 3 -4 km away. Different types of machines like this are already invented and work. I haven't heard you talk about this solution yet for Bachmut. In this way Ukraine could save many of their soldiers while (remotely) killing the invaders.
For people that do not understand or see Russian imperial ambitions here is just one little small thing.
After WW2 what countries did the allies occupy and what countries did USSR occupy? A hint is "Warsaw Pact" compared to NATO alliance.
But of course a course in Russian history the past 700-800 yrs will do.
Every one understands but the Russian bots will keep trying.
Similarly, compare North and South Korea. Russian influence in the north was a disaster for the people, as it always is.
I represent one of the ethnic minorities still occupied by Moscow and I agree with pretty much everything said here.
Finland was neutral in its foreign policy, but they always knew who the enemy was. One defence minister got a whole lot of shit in 2008 for openly saying in the US that the only security threat the Finns faced was russia, while they had only drilled for war with the russians since 1945. It's to the point where southeast in Finnish is synonymous with "the enemy direction"
Summer wants to be a star of this show too :D
Zolkin who interviewed Russian POW`s... The orcs believe WWII started in 1941.. The bewildered POW who disagrees with the war know it started in 1939.. Sometimes he had to show them google result(the orcs)..
The current germans deal with their history constantly, they sometimes feel tired by it.. But they are still awesome..
🇺🇦🫂🇺🇸
Paul, as a boomer who grew up with the Cold War & the Cuban Missile Crisis, and as a student of WWII, I feel qualified to dress you down a bit. I do NOT know about Milleniel Socialism but the Communism of the Soviet Union is NOT Socialism. I consider myself a Socialist in the vein that I don't mind paying more taxes so that people who have less than I do can have more than they have. I agree on taxing the shit out of the rich. I wish we in the US had nationalized our fossil fuels. If that money wasn't in the hands of a few or the wags at the top of say Exon then we too could have National Healthcare and free/low cost university. My daughter who is your age, had to pay $1700, a year while living at home to go to UC San Diego. That's ridiculous. She didn't qualify for any fafsa as I a single mother, made too much money at 60K which is nothing. So I am a Socialist at 70 because I want income to be more equal. I love the way of Socialism in Scandinavia. But what Russia did to Socialism to get Soviet Communism is not what Marx envisioned. I don't think Marx would have been cheering on the Holodomor or the Red Terror.
Yeah it's unfortunate that they're engaging in this neoliberal equivocation over left ideology. And it's especially galling that they're doing revisionism of their own.
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15:40 ...No, Melaniya, you are not a conspiracy theorist...Those people come up with some crazy ideas all the time and just call it truth. You are just keen to how some people are and seeing possibilities
So what does sound better? Post-Nazi or ex-Nazi state?
Don't forget other colonialism which led to the belated reaction of other countries. As always the problem is in the public that tries to protect their interests rather than uncompromisingly speak out, even if that might lead to them having to apply self critic. This was the problem in the 1920ies / 1930ies and again since the late 1980ies / early 2000s (Afghanistan, Chechenya, Georgia,....and so many others in all parts of the World)
💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛
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I cannot understand why the russians thought it was a good idea to release the video.
I love ya, Paul, but your analysis of the origins of WWII, historical revisionism, the nature of the USSR & the Cold War is dangerously simplistic. This is a multivariate equation & you’re thinking in terms of 2+2. You don’t have WWII without WWI for starters, and that’s where shit really starts to get confusing.
(BTW: ask someone whose family is from Manchuria about Japan & when they think WWII started.)
Melaniya, can you please come to Norway and be our Prime Minister, we are in extreme need of a Prime Minister with a brain and that actually knows how to use it to think with...
We very grateful for Norwegian support
The problem with Russia and Western countries goes further in the past than WWII... Russia had always teamed up with Germany against strong central / Eastern Europe... Also, other West European countries preferred to have Russia and Central Europe weak. Look at the war in 1921 / 22 when Poland could finish Bolehevics and help to restore Ukraine. It did not happen as France and UK had different interests. WWII could never happen if the UK and France would do anything serious in 1939... In 1944/45 USA and the UK knew who Russia is. Hunger in Ukraine was known. Katyn was known. The stories of Anders Army were known. So giving Poland and other countries under Stalin power was difficult to explain... A strong narration had to be created for the people of the West (read change of the history) to rationalize what was going on... I know Polish history quite well, and I know what happens from 1944 until 1989. What I am excited about now is the first time “East Europe” is strong and uses the power of media and politics to keep the Western people informed... What I am excited about is that Joe Biden understands what's going on in Russia and Western Europe...
I hope that this time the Russia-boarding countries in Europe will not wait for help from the West, but will cooperate for their security (political, economic, and military) which I believe can exist next to old West European countries for benefit of Europe in total.
For Melaniya: I feel like the last segment about reconciliation and getting on the same historical page would be a great way for Ukrainians to relate to African Americans and people of color here in the US. I’m Cuban American, so in that way I have never felt that oppression because I can pass as white, but I am gay and I think that I relate to Ukrainians in this constant struggle to be treated as equals and not fear violence against myself. I know a lot of Black Americans feel similarly (especially in the context of slavery and systemic racism) and they’re a group that hasn’t been reached yet bc it seems like we only care about Ukraine because you’re mostly white. Tbh I feel like y’all have a lot more in common with myself as a person of color and as an lgbtq person in America and it may help reach Black Americans to talk about this more. Slava Ukraini ❤️
We do not only care about Ukraine because they're white, though that no doubt helps relatability. Any American with any geopolitical or historical sense is well aware of the devastating consequences to come if Ukraine were to fall to russia.
@@kkpenney444
More than that US & UK as signatary warants of Ukrane's Sovereignity & Independence in the '94 Budapest Memorandum must got involved even since 2014 when ruSSia illegally invaded and annexed Crimea
@@kkpenney444 amen 💪
I thought it's Melania-socialist
Technically how far back in history should this apology go?
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 Heroyam Slava 🇺🇦
Japan started WWII by invading mainland China. Change my mind.
There are two distinct camps within the socialist community, and you're crapping on the one that agrees with you about Russia and Ukraine. Some of us want socialism without the authoritarianism of the former USSR, and don't want any of the fascism of the RF. That is to say, some of us agree that ALL imperialisms are bad. Don't be blinded by the neoliberal ideology of your own; accept your allies where you find them, especially ones that value democracy more than you do.
So, how is Tucker defending this?