Drill, Thread, and Chamfer with 1 Tool
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- The TM Solid TMDR by Vargus Tooling removes the need for pre-drilling holes, saving customers time and money.
These tools also work on components with pre-drilled holes, such as blind holes, through holes, and even semi-finished holes
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This tool is the TM Solid TDMR treadmill from Vargus..
www.vargusuk.co.uk/Vargus/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=2113
What's the back ground music please 👍
😅
@@bob85099 yes i am instrumental version, zach sorgen, the wildcardz
Only for alluminum material used and metric and pt tapping
Whats the song you used called buddy?
I know it's definitely not the case, but I can't help but imagine someone in their home garage trying to turn the handle on the drill press with one hand and shimmy the sheet steel with the other, then swearing when it doesn't quite work as they imagined.
lmfaoo "it took him about 3 seconds for each rotation so ill just rotate the plate that fast, should be good"
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@@chiphill4856 Ever heard of a joke buddy?
Who needs a drill press? Just whip out the old handheld black and decker and free hand it
@@miketyson1717😂
Would like to see it mill a actual threaded hole without chip fouling. Half holes are easy as the worked material is free to be expelled from the work piece
Just glue togheter 2 halves :^)
@@hortler😂
Я тоже подумал о выходе стружки. Думаю туда нужно подавать воздух.
I was just looking for a comment like yours. Would be nice to see the tool not spinning, so we get an idea of what the flutes look like.
I use these and a similar tool from guhring daily and I had the same thought the first time I saw it. We now use them exclusively. Aluminum to inco 5962. We even use them down to 4-40 in inconel. We can get over 40 holes from a 4-40 in inco 5663. Awesome tools
I could definitely do this with my Ryobi drill hand held for sure
Doubt
Yeah it’s not hard it’s my go to
When pigs fly 🐖 🦅
Would still be three tools, the bit, the drill, and you. Badumtsss...
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The new guy is still going to chase it out with the wrong tap in assembly.
😂😂 too good
Like a ford triton.
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k And go to the strip club just to collect your thought do you don't take a sledge hammer to the aluminum engine block.
If assembly needs taps, the machine shop isn't doing their job right. Assemble can have an air line and some pipe cleaners lol
@@user-gg2ty5tk8k The Emperor protects.... the parts
What a time to be a machinist. Whoa.
the tool is easy to make with a lathe and angle grinder
the toolpath has been possible since 1850
why is it not common? blame Big Tap and Die
@@petedude2lu3There is def more going on then just "a lathe and a angle grinder" my man.
Those Mills have been on the market for over 10 years now... I used to work with the Hitachi/Moldino EDT line when I was a machinist
these also cut hardened steel above 60hrc, its pretty cool
@@petedude2lu3I hope this is sarcasm
Very cool. For brass and aluminum.
Have seen similar tool dive nicely in to 60 HRC D2 tool steel
@@JaakkoFwas that video by Adam the machinists by chance? I saw him do this in tool steel with no coolant
I’ve ran them in 17-4 h900 just fine
@@reidb9422 and it plunged just fine huh? Or was the hole already there.
No it’s not cool they forgot the coolant
I use a Walter mill to do this in inconel 718. so far it does a couple of hundreds of threads with a 6H tolerance before it needs any compensation or change of tool.
is that good does not seem like much.
@@Chris-cz6hninconel is not fun to machine
What’s your tolerance for hole locations though?
@@3rd_Eye_Culture in millimeters its 0.2 pos tol.
Hundreds??? In Inconel??? 🤔
Finally, my dream of a non-circular threaded hole can be realized
Who cares if your hole is a little egg shaped, or if your bit starts binding from not being able to pass chips out? Atleast you dont have to change from a bit to a tap!
Just need a transporter to install the bolt.
It's moving in a circle wise guy.
its moving in a circular pattern. Not just side to side.
This guy's ahead in technology
I love machining -theres just something satisfying about it
I’ve been doing it over 20 years and the only thing that keeps me doing it is all the side projects I do. Other than that I’m burned out working for someone else.
I thought these things only existed on the projector screen at a mazak training course 😂
This is a Vargus tool.
@poultryguy12ableits actually significantly more impressive that they cut it that way but whatever floats your shit talking boat
The beauty and joys of CNC.
@@yeahright5227and lasers
@@MTDCNCcould you link the tool please? Very interested
Interpolation cutting is nice and easy when you know what you are doing. Have seen many machinist not have a clue as to how to program this type of cutting. The nice thing about this tool is that it is doing the threading as well.
Болшэва : диаметра чем сам ..
😅😢😂
The end with chamfer nailed it.
nah I think it screwed it homedawg
Both of you nah. Bolted it
A really simple but effective tool.
@@ohmahfoot3995Cut it out
What is the ordering information for this tool?
I had similar tool to mill m10 in heated toolsteal 65hrc was impressive to see and was very stabel prozess, the helix needs to be the same as pitch from the screw. And the tool is left trunning if i remember correctly. And yes no pre drilled hole was needed.
Threadmills are the shit. No more broken taps 💪🏻
I could watch this all day.
Feel free, plenty of other CNC machining videos on the MTDCNC channel.. Please subscribe.
I'm a new sales manager, just absorbing all the CNC machine knowledge. I have to say it's quite interesting
thanks good luck
Wow , thanks for sharing bro. This is the first time I see this working
This could save an unbelievable amount of time in the right setting. Saving 2 tool changes, and the issue with breaking taps. Also you only need to buy 1 tool compared to multiple. WIN WIN WIN! Amazing idea!
I would say it depends on the size of the thread, and the material. For me it seems quite slow (if smaller than M12 thread). And who knows if the Price of this particular tool isnt more than the 3 normally used tools, and How long it Can last 😊 but very interesting Indeed
One tool that's twice as complex.
It saves time only with a low hole count. For many holes the tool change time doesn't matter any more because you can do the operations for all holes with a single tool change
That is the reason we are starting to see lots of these tools. You also take up less space in the tool changer.
@@MTDCNC not to mention if your machine doesn't have a tool changer, it can do more work with one button push.
I always wondered how threads were drilled. I always thought "surely it doesn't just spin in the middle and bore fast enough that it leaves a corkscrew behind right?" This way makes much more sense
regular tapping is more like a drill like that
I'm hypnotized, this has perfect music and the bit goes in it's own footsteps without a single tiny hitch.
How well does it evacuate chips without thru coolant
Well since half the hole is gone I'd say quite well🤣
@@quweefs Awsome handle 🤣 I bet they bust because of the heavy relief needed to helic at that crazy of an angle
For a demo with half the material ... missing? 😂 You'd still need it for a "real" job...
@@jamessmith1190MY HANDLE IS BETTER!!!!!
The bit is hollow and it blows compressed air, and because the bit is only 3/4 the diameter of the hole being cut it just blows out
🤷 (I just made this up)
Now that takes a steady hand.
Wow that's really smart. Not what I was thinking the design would be!
"What tooling did you run?" They ask as the bass line from "I Ran" begins to play.
I walked along the avenue
@@codiserville593
"I never thought I'd meet a girl like you uu!"
"Meet a girl like you uu!"
Vargus
Used them, they're awesome time savers, one tool instead of three, and fit adjustable.
Have watched many machining videos but never saw a bit like this on a CNC machine. Pretty cool👍🙂
Saw this at IMTS last year, was cool then, still cool now
Billion dollar product
Who makes it?
@@jonathonwood4088 I don't know who made it sadly
@@jonathonwood4088 It might be Harvey tools that makes it
Maybe you should start it and pls also create some way to use it without owning a cnc @@jonathonwood4088
Brilliant idea.
This is the fastening system used by Stockton Rush...half a hole, half a thread, half a bolt and wood glue.
Какая прелесть...Мой трудовик сошёл бы с ума, от восторга.
Wow. That takes a steady hand. Very impressive.
A steady hand?
@@georgejackson4790 to press the green button =)
j.k. maybe he thinks it's a manual? who knows...
@@zrakodelocoit could be a joke. I wouldn't know.
Riiiiiiiiight...🤔😒
I think I could do it!
Chills. Literal chills. It’s so unfortunate that Schallt is no longer with us.
This must be the best way to thread and make a hole.
No problem for CNC.
With one tool...a precision cnc milling machine that costs a small fortune.
What are you on about?
i mean if my whole business model is tapping threads, this is a game changer.
I would like to see how good it does in solid material, most people are not drilling/ tapping into the edge of material.
Thread milling is not new…. I have been doing it for years i just did some 1.25-7 threads in 1-1/2 plate a couple of days ago did 50 holes with the same thread mill
@@H3lzsn1p3rYes thread milling is old tech, but I'll bet my whole paycheck you drilled it first. I'd love to see this tool stopped. Either it had through spindle coolant, spiral flute, or its not going to work for chip evacuation.
I work with HMC's, and even those are going to struggle unless there is through spindle coolant capability.
We have seen these in solid material many times.
@@MTDCNC
Make a video about it. Not only solid material but heat treated steel, or 316 stainless. Lets see a video without drilling a hole in it.
@@MTDCNC you a whole bot, get outta here
Incredible! Now imagine series production of replaceable cogwheels, connected to other detail by bolts, screwed between two details!
So smooth. So buttery smooth.
Well that's cool and all, but it only drilled half a hole.
Having the 2 cutting heads leaves you with only 1 thread pitch. Could removing the 1 so you can mill in different thread sizes.
but how would they sell an entire set in that case?
im no machinist but i think theres a reason that you would normally use three tools for that
Wow. So, these machines eliminate the need for pilot holes in the billet. Me and my tap and die set are jealous.
lol, tap and die set ;-)
Yep, that’s thread milling.
But thread milling with center cutting! My thread mill doesn't plunge cut...
@@nicgili ok…you can buy them.
@@ckane510 link? If the are in my budget I totally will.
@@nicgili that same phone/computer in your hand has all the power to do your own research.
@@MonkeyNoHands Im asking ckane, not you. But thanks anyways.
Now show it without the cutaway
Do you mean a solid block of material?
No, I think he means without space for the chips to get out.
Might work in alumin or brass.
@@JamesValentineKohera There is plenty of space for chips to evacuate, about 1/3-1/2 of the tool diameter.
@@JaakkoF but there is no helix to pull the chips out. Without spindle thru coolant or some other method of evacuation it will get messy as the depth increases
I like the beat you added..
Super cool to see this. Always wondered what the the inside holes of the wobbly arbors looked like.
Glad you enjoyed it
Never once needed or wanted this information in my life but still enjoyed the video
For those not in the know, this wouldn’t work. They are cutting a cross section all the while drowning the tool in air. You can see chips building up behind the tool before it disengages a cut. It is a neat idea but as a machinist I call BS.
The chamfer wasn't that clean, but other than that,
Cool tool!
If it's got a thru spindle coolant port for chip evacuation, this could be amazing for blind holes... Especially holes where the thread depth is close to the total depth.
We agree.
You just order a tap with less lead-in.
Chamfer is an edge that connects 2 surfaces @ 45° angles.
I'll pray for those bearings !
Lol Nice tool
Drafting in military be like.
That’s great for making threads for sizes that don’t exist
...or for multiple threads in the same hole. Still, I'd rather drill first.
The issue I see with this, is that bit can only be used efficiently in automated mills/machines, otherwise the time you would have to spend on making sure it's accurate in a mill heavily outweighs the time it would to drill, tap, and chamfer with 3 separate bits
I design parts for a living because technicians need somone elses name to curse instead of the good lord's. I'm just blown away at the level of cnc and edm maching these days. Touring vendor's facilities with our QA team during routine audits (they bring me along to discuss making sure our GD&T is attainable, design for manufacurability, and etc) and it just feels like a field trip. We strive to design 3 axis macineable parts and reserve parts needing a 4th or 5th axis as a last resort. But it seems like most machine shops are running 5 axis machines now.
Awesome tool if you need 1/2 a hole.
That's pretty slick. Better than a tap; Good way to get a blind threaded hole a bolt can reach the bottom of
The bevel at the end was chef's kiss.
This is awesome. Plus you can double your bolts by cutting them in half lol
I’ve exclusively worked in quality, but I’d be really interested in machining parts if I got to play with cool news tools and machines.
If it was completely metal, how would it throw out the shavings? Does that mess with final product
I don't understand how the geometry works out. What I mean is that the threads obviously has to be a spiral while the tool has a horizontal cutter moved in a spiral motion. How does the tool not affect the area it just cot as it is worked down to a lower position? Obviously it works, but the downward motion has to a little bit more on the move.
I had to use one of these in for something like a blind 2mm hole, it was certainly an interesting thing to see
As an HVAC tech, this got me moist. Ordering one now.
well done
My machinist did this with my Glock slide for the screws for the red dot. Man, those screws are tiny. Other machinists do it the crappy way and drill straight through the slide. And the machining he did for the red dot to fit the red dot was so spot on in fit. Zero play with the screw out.
This is why cnc is awesome
ALL WITH ONE TOOL! A $10,000 CNC MILL!! So easy you could do it at home!
This would be perfect for applications like this when you have a hole that needs to be tapped that has a side cut out.
yep for sure
I was actually wondering how this was done. For some reason the question woke me up last night.
really!! lol, sorry
這工藝厲害啊，寫進刀位超燒腦
Btw guys this technology has been around forever. It's called an "orbiting tap".
thank you
This technic works great on highly alloyed Steel to. But you have to dril a precise hole first.
Won’t work in a blind hole pal
@@dekabnaeb6776 I´ve done it in many blinde hole´s. But use spindle coolant with enogh pressure. Most time you have no problem with this tiny chips.
Hell yes I used to work in a shop that sharpened tooling this makes it simple ❤❤
That's amazing it's putting the threads in there
yep
So many people need to see this
Sandblasting your demo billet really shows nice contrast in the cut piece.
Made me feel wobbly watching that
Anyone else notice he misspelled chamber
Edit: Nvm didnt know chamfer was an actual word
jack of all trades, master of none.
I have to deal with M1.6x0.35 threads on one off prototypes.
A broken tap scraps the part.
A threadmill breaks and you just clean up, re-set and carry on.
Still drill my holes first though at that size.
This is the drill bit used to build the structures of ancient Egypt
There was a water dripping sound when I was watching the video which I found odd, but very fitting and calming...
...then I realized I left my faucet halfway on
Well this is clearly just meant for CNC machining. Would love to see a tool like this for a standard drill somehow.
thanks I hope you liked it
@@MTDCNC if I ever get a CNC machine I'll definitely buy some.
How is it about different diameters? Can one tool be used for a variety of diameters via settings in the software? Or are they for a very specific size each?
That is very satisfactory to watch.
The guy is doing this with a cordless drill and a steady hands
lol
Seems like it still takes more time than doing it with dedicated tools, at least in highly automated processes.
I can see how it works in low volume manufacturing tho.
yep its cool
all those holes I drilled, chamfered and tapped over 50 years !
I didn’t realize it was that easy to make screw thread holes!
yep
I wonder how much of an issue chip removal would be?
I'm saying it would definitely be a problem, but I'd like to see it
i’m skeptical, it’s not drilling, it’s milling, how well does it evacuate chips when they can’t fly out of the side?
Thats beautiful. So simple, how did they not think of this earlier?
beautiful isn't it
Not that I'm anywhere knowledgeable in the machining industry but would this tool be reliably repeatably accurate?
Honestly these should only be used on already hardened parts, for everything else just use taps
buttery smooth
Thanks for watching.
I use to run a Datron cnc and we used something similar on aluminum.
Problem I see is where do the shavings go while using this they don't just fall off onto the floor when you're drilling into the middle of a solid piece unlike the edge shown in this video I feel like the shavings would mess up the threads more and more the deeper you go
nope it works
When this tool can make a higbee as well, then I'll be impressed.
Looks fantastic in half a hole.. a normal hole with get full of shavings
certainly not a tool that many hobbyist shops will have. Nice work, smooth stepper motors....