Ruby Franke Prosecutor Tells All: ‘Horrific Abuse’
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- čas přidán 26. 03. 2024
- The prosecutor who secured guilty pleas from Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt is speaking about the “horrific abuse” he witnessed in their case. Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke recalls each shocking detail of the investigation, from the moment Franke’s 12-year-old son escaped Hildebrandt’s home to the CZcams mom speaking at her sentencing. Law&Crime’s Sierra Gillespie discusses the horrifying case with Clarke.
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Ruby has no right to call the children she abused for "my babies". They are NOT her babies. You are supposed to love and feed your babies, not hate, torture, gaslight and starve them.
Amen!!
I think she says that in a “possessions” kind of way, like they are HERS. That’s how LDS parents see their children, as possessions
AGREED
Absolutely!!!
Kevin too. He has no right either.
Hold the father accountable too. He should be charged with negligence.
As long as the kids are safe from him...
Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke looks very foolish Naive and is failing the public by having Ruby manipulate him.
they were abusing the father as well, and the mother moved out of the house, that the father was paying for, without ever allowing him to move back into the house.
@@georgewashington3555I 💯% agree!
@@normbograham The men in this country have become emasculated!
The sick thing is, that both Ruby and Jodi are getting treated MUCH better in prison, than they treated those poor kids.
Hildebrandt shouldn't be in prison. She should be in a secure mental hospital. Permanently. The public must be protected.
People like that never change. There are many vulnerable people in prison. If she isn't stopped, I bet it won't be long before she's "counselling" vulnerable fellow inmates
The even sicker thing is, how many OTHER children have been abused by that woman? THe Mormon church was happily referring parents to her to get their rebellious teens in line with church doctrine! Who is looking after them?
I don't know about female prisons but in male prisons someone who has done wrong to a child often gets beaten up or worse.. Don't you think it will be the same in a female prison?
@@robertshepherd99 Many, many more, including the children in her own extended family. I just don't understand how everyone believed her and just followed her advice.. Even when you have their religion, that never justifies abusing a child. I really don't understand. As for Ruby and Jodie, I think they both enjoy inflicting harm. It's sickening!
@@superpoepie6256 years ago my sister was in jail for drug charges. There was a woman inmate who had abused her 9 yr old stepdaughter and un alived her. The inmate was supposed to be kept away from the other women because of what she had done. But one day there was a mistake and she ended up in a holding cell with 2 other women while they waited to be taken to court. One of the women recognized her and took matters into her own hands. The jail employees got in there and separated the women. I can't help wonder if the mistake that put the one woman in with 2 others wasn't really a mistake. But I'm pretty sure what happens in the men's detention happens in the women's too.
Says it’s horrific abuse and then proceeds to give them the minimum sentence.
And make a deal with Ruby that he won’t say anything negative to the parole board once she’s up for parole…meaning with her fake apologies, she could be up for parole in just FOUR years!!
She won't make it out a live!!
@@215FlowerPots No She will not Come Out of Prison after 4 Years. She will be minimum 6 Years in Prison. How will she manage in Prison with other Women Prisoners there ? A woman that went to Prison for Torchure her own children in front of the Cameras 📷 😳 and was Proud of it ? 👏 How Awful 🙂 I am glad that she, so Stupidly Recorded herself Torchuring her Own 6 Children. Efrat
And then says he won't hinder Ruby getting released
@@JeremyBilbrey-kr6fz Ruby is truly the master manipulator.
They should not be paroled... ever. Make Ruby and Jodi stay in prison for every second possible.
I hope the judge feels the same way as you.
It has nothing to do with the judge. It is the probation board that determines the length of their sentences.
Ruby will be out in a year. 1 to 15 years is a joke
@@NoChance-oz4dd is that all she got,
@@NoChance-oz4dd If she makes it that long.
The video about the child not packing her lunch and how Ruby thought she should just go hungry should have been enough to get a visit from CPS.
Mormons supervising mormons. System broken.
Kid was freaking 6 years old too. No 6 year old should pack their lunch.
@@81suzeexactly
Agreed!!!!! I can't imagine my 10yr old packing her own lunch... I mean a nutritious one anyway!!! Lol how could she put so much responsibility on that poor baby!!! So glad that her time is up!!
Her oldest daughter called CPS and they did nothing!
Four years is a joke for what they did to their children . And being OK with 4 years says a lot about you as a lawyer. The state of Utah should be ashamed.
Yes they should get more time than 4 yes
They will likely get more than 4 years.
They were sentenced to 4x 1-15y to run consecutively, so hopefully they'll do the whole 60y and never be released
Mormons
Oh, poor monsters, they're not going to get their own planets when they die. 🙄 MORMONISM is insanity.
“Hopefully nobody gives her food.”
No, Ruby, no!!! That’s sick!!!
Ruby pretending she's sorry and crying in the courtroom makes me sick. These 2 women had zero compassion for the children. They're the ones who are evil, not those poor innocent kids.
😢not once did she want to hear about the kids after they were found 😢
Exactly!
I cannot believe this guy in the video believes that she was heartfelt. Does he get manipulated by everyone all the time? I’m just flabbergasted.
It was all a show.I agree with you.I hope the parole board does not go easy on her.That's why they did a plea deal.If all this evidence came out they would have done life
Exactly she’s a psychopathic narcissist
The system needs to realize that Ruby was abusing ALL of her children long before Jodi got involved. She is just as guilty as Jodi
Absolutely.
ABSOLUTELY ‼
Yes. Unfortunately I think generally her bad parenting is still legal though. Not sure cps would have found anything wrong before Jodi.
This DA is deluded!!!
@@shadamyandsonamyloverdenying your children food is not legal!!
This prosecuter and his gullibility even after admitting it was one of the most horrific things he’s ever seen, is what’s wrong with the judicial system.
Seems the mormon church runs the judiciary /allegedly/. Meaning, they got a cushy plea deal because of her affiliations.
It's a great example of Pretty Privilege. Tall, thin, blonde, attractive Ruby was just being led around by the nasty old lady.
Ruby had the prosecutor by his man parts. He was only doing his thinking with those.
Women always get a pass.
Utah seriously needs to charge their laws on child abuse!
The prosecutor is making it sound like Ruby only began abusing her children after she met Jodi Hildebrand. That is not right, it started WAYYYYYYY earlier with her husband Kevin, who was also abusive towards the kids. Maybe the abuse became more extreme after Jodi entered the picture, but it was severe abuse, mental and physical for many years, maybe always.
Yeah. I am not sure if he is just unaware or got manipulated by Ruby or what.
And Ruby’s sister, Bonnie, talked about her being manipulative and attention seeking even as a child, so I don't think she's changing. I think it is her core personality.
I agree. Kevin is also a sick person. He seemed to only care about her. Hasn’t seen his kids in a year? How?
No tjis is been going on for years she did it to her older kids
I don’t think he looked into either one of their pasts. Jodi with how she treated her niece and other people. Ruby with how she treated and abused her kids before
Ruby fooled the prosecutor. I hope he sees the light soon. She abused her children LONG before she met Jodi. Denied them food, made them sleep on the bathroom floor, etc.
She absolutely did and being the mother that should have protected her child she should get all the time and so should Jodi.
And how! A true remorseful statement would have been all about her kids and what she did to them... instead, it was allllll about her.
He is very naive.
Yep and Kevin was there too
I would agree.
Shame on this guy for saying crimes don't often happen in certain neighborhoods or income groups. The only difference is that wealthy folks have connections that allow their misdeeds to be covered up or never reported. It's this kind of attitude that allows these kinds of atrocities to continue, and flourish...
Agreed. I came from a middle class family and no one would have guessed what happened behind closed doors. These two have way more money and space, thus more options and excuses for them to do what they want and never be questioned. That needs to be considered in these cases, and I think it's very conveniently looked past by the legal system that people with more money and power have more chances than anyone else to do these things.
So true! Excellent and very important point! Thank you for raising this topic.
Facts. Neglect and abuse is just over looked in affluent homes
@@sassysince90 Yes! And this fact really needs to be highlighted MUCH more!
RIGHT !!!! SMFH that comment said so much about the type of person he is smfh disgusting
I love that you highlighted the most beautiful thing about this ugly situation… the absolute respect, tenderness and sensitivity shown by all the first responders. Every time I see the footage I’m so impressed with their restraint to not show excitement and overwhelm the little girl in the closet when they finally found her. Trust was won gracefully and these offices should be proud of their work.
Ruby doesn’t love her children, she loves her power of controlling them.
Yes, she’s weeping because she messed up her freedom to be sadistic.
Wow. When you think about it, she has been in control of scenarios and how things are "going to be" up until this point, that now the control she had for SO long is gone. SHE is now being controlled. That is probably why she was unresponsive from the beginning AND in the interrogation room, to maintain that sense of control. But, you best believe she'll try her best to manipulate and deceive to get it back as soon as possible!
Dangerous.
And the money she makes off of them.
She's a pathological sadist
See my earlier comment. Ruby was a pawn in Jodi's delusion. That's how cults work. Easy to demonize her, but I think that she, and her entire family were exploited by Jodi. If you want a villain - someone to blame for this sick tragedy, you need look no further than Jodi.
I'm a qualified child protection officer. It's very rare to see this kind of highly organised, systematic abuse, backed by a whole perverted philosophy. They did this in cold blood, and the whole house was organised and stocked to facilitate their cruelty. It's truly jaw-dropping that two different women were crazy enough to think that this was the right way to parent.
Wait until you hear Jodi justifying it through LDS bible passages!
My amateur theory is these two nut jobs were sadistic, and the combination of children and religion was the most convenient way for them to act out their compulsions. They found victims too small to defend themselves, and they found a philosophy they could mold into a justification for their cruelty. I don't know how much each one of them believes their own BS, but I suspect Jodi is more deluded than Ruby. Perhaps the two of them becoming friends was the event that escalated things the most.
Those children would have died if they had moved to AZ.
That's what being brainwashed by religion unfortunately does to some weak people who aren't intelligent enough to think for themselves. Religion truly is the root of all evil.
@@hikingwiththedog6078 Also think they're sadistic. Saw the wounds on those poor kids, it's so disgusting that their own mother did that to them.
The ring video gets me all the time. It must be the first time the child felt real, heart-felt compassion.
Same. IMHO, it was simultaneously heartbreaking and heartwarming to watch the video: on one hand, it's awe-inspiring & heartbreaking to hear how polite and respectful that poor boy was despite the horrific and cruel behavior that had been modeled to him...but at the same time, for me at least, hearing that gentleman spontaneously burst into tears with the 911 dispatcher was such a beautiful testament to compassion & humanity in the face of such a confusingly bizarre situation.
It would have been so easy for him to simply write the whole thing off as a prank or say, "this is none of my business; the boy says it's personal, so I'll just call Jodi to pick him up. I'm sure it's just a rebellious, spoiled kid trying to get his mom & her friend into trouble..." but instead he took the time to take a closer look and kindly ask the boy what he needed.
I hope that that gentleman knows just how much it warmed my heart to hear the naked empathy in his voice, knowing that it may we'll have been the first time *ever* that that poor child had experienced such unconditional care and concern.
@@maneckineckbeard1749I’d give anything to hear that full ring video
@@cryscket Same. But then, I'm not sure I could handle it! Just hearing what's been released is so heartbreaking... I've literally had dreams about this!
When the father is interviews he tells officer that he refuses to say how he "disciplines" the children. Red Flag.
I know right. I am certain he was abusive as well as Ruby before they even met Jodi. So even if he "wasn't there" then, I am 100% certain that those kids were being treated terribly and just didn't care at all. He isn't a father and she isn't a mother. He is a sperm donor and she is an egg donor
I hope the parole board becomes aware of the fact that Ruby was mistreating her children in her thirst for control way before Jodi came into the picture.
I hope so to, I have read many people say that Jodi manipulated her and I’m like “uhhh, have you not seen her videos before she met Jodi?”
That I don't know but grateful for this comment...was it seriously way before JH was in RF life??? If so how do you know ❤ genuinely curious and either way where was the husband in ALL this time, before JH an during!?
Agree. Jodi affirmed her actions and basically gave her permission to push it as far as she wanted. It worries me this prosecutor doesn’t seem to get that.
Its the mormonUtah way. Too many kids to keep track of and this abuse is the norm. Born and raised in Utah by LD$/FLD$/RLDS Ive heard from every neighbor & relative- "I gave them life, now they owe me" true in 2024
yea her screws were lose already
So ironic that Ruby kept saying that her children had the devil inside them when in reality SHE IS the devil! I hope they never come out of prison
That's always the case with people like her
Narcissists always accuse their victims of the very behavior they exhibit, so, yeah, she said they had the devil because she was that devil. In my experience (sister is an LDS convert), that religion plays the devil card for everything.
Narcissists are known to project everything they do on to others
Religion is so harmful towards children. Societies accepted mental disorder, nothing more and nothing less.
@francisweaver6251 I'm so sorry that it happend to you but so happy that you are out of that cult!
Ruby just as twisted as Jodi. She found someone to affirm her. Both need same time in prison.
Have to say the couple who answered the door and the first responders are truly hero’s. They restored my faith in humanity! Thank-you for truly being amazing! These kids will never forget your kindness and love!
The girls had was shaved. Police officers thought she was a boy. She and her brother hadn't seen eachother in a month. While "living" in the same house. There is so much emotional abuse, besides the physical abuse
Its so shocking... and so damaging for these young children, I feel such rage at monsters who abuse kids!
Eve and Russell oozed sweetness and goodness. They will struggle with this forever. Bless them.@@mercedeswestbrook4356
The emotional abuse has been happening for years.
Imagine they used to live in their house with their other siblings. Then their own mother upends them with a stranger and tortures them. Their parents made money off their kids.
OMG! I can’t believe my ears! The prosecutor saying he believes that horrible abuser’s “speech” was heartfelt and that she feels awful!! There’s no way she did a 360 about face in 6 months!!
She’s as horrible today as she was last year! She’s a major manipulator who knew what the judge and everyone wanted to hear and delivered it.
Exactly my feelings! She did an about face when she realized how much time she could do. She immediatly crawled back to her family knowing she needs them when she comes up for parole. This prosecutor is making exuses for Ruby! So weird especially when he says himself the kids were not making it out alive!
180*
Oh, it was an act, and an over the top one at that... Ruby was playing the entire band. She was ready to throw Jodi under the bus and testify against her all the way. But her hands were just as dirty, they were her kids! Did you know Ruby cleaned out all the kids savings, and Kevins, and gave it to Jodi? They found the $85,000 cash in the home!
I guess he didn't see her videos when she would starve her kids then smile about it.
This prosecutor was sooo deceived and manipulated by Ruby. Honestly he should know better, when he deals with people that lie all of the time. Come on! Of all people, he should know better!!!!! Makes my blood boil she is still manipulating! Come on! Can’t you see it? Have you not watched her blog? You don’t treat children that way. It’s so wrong. She is not sorry and has not changed. She is sorry for herself and only herself and knows she has to make a show of remorse to be let out early. It’s pretty simple. She is pretty smart and is all about number one.
Should have charged Ruby with attempted murder based off the journals alone. She’s not remorseful. She’s trying to manipulate the decision makers for her future.
Four years minimum is NOT justice served!!!!
The CPS workers that failed to stop this when the sister made a complaint should’ve faced charges too for negligence.
When I was a kid in the 90s I used to believe in the whole "bad kid" kids just don't respect parents BS. But now I realize kids crave stable parental figures, so if a Kid is calling CPS, something isn't right with the family, same with Running away etc. something has to go SERIOUSLY wrong with parenting for kids to do those things because kids crave parents so strongly they'll put up with a lot and still never think about leaving.
Which sister called? @HD6642
@SageIsabella Shari who is already an adult and is studying at a college somewhere.
And not only her called CPS. Neighbors too!
Neighbors realized years ago that the kids were alone at home without mother or father and sometimes were walking randomly around the neighborhood maybe looking for food.
The reports to cops and CPs were done several times.
@@tiger.wolf.2033 CPS is such a joke smh
And on Jody’s side, her niece reported nearly identical abuse long before she ever met Ruby.
They never should have gotten the plea deal. They deserve LIFE in prison!!
At least the plea deal spared the kids from having to testify in court, that's some consolation.
I feel like there was enough evidence without the children's testimony.
Agreed! It seems like there is enough evidence without the children's testimony.
That’s the maximum they could have gotten anyway. In Utah the max sentence for a crime like this is 30 years. Also there is no fixed sentences in Utah, the parole board decides the length of the sentence.
While I agree with you, the crimes they were charged with didn't carry life as a sentence.
It brought tears to my eyes how patient the police were and sat with the girl and gave her pizza and something to drink and never tried to rush!!! You are Heroes!!!
THE DEVIL IS NOT IN THE CHIDREN, THE DEVIL IS IN JODI AND RUBY !
Please don’t allow these two women to get paroled, they are up for parole in 2027, this is an insult to justice and especially to those who suffered.
Right?
I agree wholeheartedly. Neither should be paroled ever.
I live in Canada. A young woman here in my province tortured and burned a teen to death. She was sentenced to 7 years in prison and was out in 3 years, this year, a free person. Justice is a joke.
Seriously! She’s a sadistic sociopath. She has ZERO remorse. Her “heartfelt speech” is an act and she’s already trying to manipulate the parole board and public. The fact the prosecutor buys her act shows it IS working and is sickening to consider an early release is possible.
This is the sort of fool that will push for these two bi thes to be released…
What a wimpy , wishy washy prat ….This prosecutor is so gullible , someone needs to give him a dry slap to wake him up
She’s a sadistic sociopath. She has ZERO remorse. Her “heartfelt speech” is an act and she’s already trying to manipulate the parole board and public. The fact the prosecutor buys her act shows it IS working and is sickening to consider an early release is possible.
Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke should not fall for Rubys act she is a huge manipulator. Makes him look foolish not to know she abused her kids before Jodi every came on scene.
Exactly and she's also a narcissist. All sociopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are sociopath.
exactly, self-serving 'poor little me' speech. What I can't believe is how she threw it all away for the sake of what? devolving motherhood into sadistic torture when the grueling diaper change, colds, protecting from harm stage was completed, time for fun and that's her 'fun'?
If anyone buys her “heartfelt “ speech then they need to go back and look at her behavior from her first child all the way down to the youngest. It started way before Jodi. Seriously don’t believe that nonsense.
Yeah, it's kinda disturbing that an obvious narcissistic manipulator could work one over on a prosecutor like this.
Tubal ligation and vasectomy should be part of the punishment for conviction of aggravated child abuse .
I so wish they pled not guilty so a jury would convict them for at least 50 years, especially for almost killing those two children. Something needs to change. Abusing children should carry as much penalty as murder. This is HORRIBLE.
The nerve of the "dad" wanting custody of them after all of this... Thats evil work.
Remember his jail calls even after he heard... I'll support you...
ohh that man makes me so mad. Acting like he is the world's greatest dad and I'm like you approved of this abuse before you let yourself get kicked out of your home and then you abandoned your kids. I get that he was manipulated to a degree but you are still a human with a brain and I'm sorry but you made the choice to not even make sure your kids were safe and cared for within that year. Had he checked in or had a court agreement that they kids were checked in on regularly the may very well not have happened. Your oldest daughter cared more about her siblings did than her father.
The most evil
He got a year vacation from being a father at his kids' EXPENSE...
Totally agree he’s a sicko too! I hope he doesn’t get custody but I bet he wil so sick
This lawyer hasn’t done his homework on Ruby Franke. If he had he would know she was abusing her kids way before she met Jodie.
I feel like it was a relationship built on affirming each other’s ridiculous beliefs. Ruby for sure was abusive before… but once she had someone pushing her forward all bets were off.
The way she was talking was cracked. Sounded like she was on a path towards a Lori Vallow ending
Absolutely. And to say child abuse like this doesnt happen/ isn't documented is just untrue. What is child p×÷n???? Abusers delight in documenting their abuse. @Mfdoorway
This is exactly why people saying Ruby was brainwashed etc makes me really angry. Not only were there signs of abuse years before Jodi even met Ruby but if you look at Ruby's demeanor, body language and reactions in her initial "interview" it tells a very different story. She is cold/unemotional, calm, never once asking about her children or whether they are ok. The most interesting part of it is the way she "answers" their questions. She looks each of the detectives in the eyes for maybe 5 seconds-ish, first one, then the other and refuses to answer anything. She just stares down her nose at them. After a period of time where she just repeats this behaviour - eye contact with one, then the next while not saying a word - she then requests a lawyer in a somewhat vague way (something to the effect of "I think I will wait to speak to my lawyer") but goes back into her silence/weird eye contact thing when they try to clarify whether or not that was a genuine request for representation. It's very clear she enjoys the power that her silence gives her; her arrogance and narcissistic behaviour, coupled with the zero interest in the welfare of her children, to me (and this is just my layman's opinion) shows that she was not the unwitting follower people are making her out to be.
Jodi was equally as guilty, no doubt about that. The similarities between what happened to the Franke kids and the recollections of Jodi's nibling, Jesse (Jesse identifies as non-binary) are too much to be waived as coincidence.
I believe that these two women were toxic before they met, maybe Ruby would have gone on to do the same/similar acts without Jodi (I think she would have) but undoubtedly their meeting was a catylist that led to the worsening abuse of those poor children.
👏👏👏
Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke fails to understand Ruby and her abuses of children even before Jodi came around. Please do not fall for Abusers Manipulators Compliments, makes you look really naive.
Ruby was abusing her children before she met Jodi, the another monster. They should rot in jail.
I got huge online pushback years ago when I said that letting her child starve at school was disgusting abuse. I couldn't believe how many people came for me! 😮Just shows you how many wicked people are out there.
Sure pray the parole board is not as gullible as this prosecutor. Did he not read her diary! Ruby was evil before she ever met Jodi. Together they are pure evil.
He’s really defending that monster for some reason! The POS monster mocked and laughed at her children’s suffering! No matter how brainwashed one may be, you have to be a sick F to do what she did. She enjoyed it. Jodi allowed her to be her true self!
parole board is worse than prosecutors in my opinion.
Exactly and did he not watch their videos
@@matthewhurst2256 He didn't do his job of representing the victims....
@@RoseNZieg I hate to hear that. :(
Mr Prosecutor, Ruby is playing you all. She should win 10 Oscars, because I don't buy her "remorse" for one second.
He got hosed by Ruby. Period. He should be ashamed.
Same. Agree 100%!!
He’s prolly Mormon, too. In my experience Mormons are naive and easily deceived and quick to forgive. Ruby knows that.
Agreed. Such a WEAK prosecutor. Plea deal for 4-30? Are you kidding me?
Absolutely 💯 agree! Ruby has no remorse..if you watch her 8 passenger videos she had a mean/cruel streak..she deserves just as long a sentence as Jodi..perhaps more because she..Ruby..was their mother.
Jodi: She didn’t love those kids. She intentionally abused those children. Imagine if she bought remote property. Those children would have been deceased within a few weeks.
Ruby was NOT a BLIND follower. She KNEW what she wanted to do to those kids. Also, Jodi KNEW what she was doing was abusive and wrong. This man is dead wrong about these two women. According to the relative who spoke anonymously very early on in this case stated that Ruby's immediate family was also abusive, handcuffing their kids, etc. This was obviously part of Ruby's family and, in my opinion, Jodi is like a Chad Daybell. She is a controlling cult leader, and Ruby is also a controlling abusive woman. They both fed off of one another.
You are exactly right.
If I have to hear her say “unCOMfortable!” one more time, I’m gonna puke. She is so despicable. Her poor children to have that monster for a mother.
The teacher is uncomfortable with her child having no food but she isn’t. 💯 abuser!
Her speech patterns have always driven me nuts. It's so odd.
She’s gonna be saying it a bunch more after the girls get a hold of her. Lol
De-SPIC-able.
Omg I know. It drives me insane every time I hear her say that
I think the prosecutor needs to consult with a forensic psychologist. He needs to understand motivations & likelihood of reoffending. Ruby is not just some innocent person who was duped.
Yes! A RISK ASSESSMENT
I think it's up to parole board on whether or not they get out in 2027. Utah is different than most states. Most likely the parole board will get a report from the correctional facility about them. Mental health department will have a say.
YES🙏🙏🙏
As she was on the phone with her husband, she asked him, are we on the news yet. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
This is gonna take so many years of therapy to get over the trauma that E and R went through.
How brave is that little boy to go to his neighbours to ask for help for him and his little sister....what a brave little dude. Now that is a HERO in my opinion!
Very brave. My father loved the belt when I was a kid my brother was 2 1/2 years younger I would take it over him and we stuck together. My brother took his lide in 2022 life has never been so lonely and hard. I'm only 43 and I can't believe I have to go through the rest of my life without him. I'll prob live to be 100. But I'll see you when I get there little brother.
So true! He may well have saved his and his sister's lives.
He was very determined, he's an incredibly brave young man
Especially that he tried escaping like 3 times before and I am sure that punishment was unbearable but I believe he thought if he didn’t keep trying they would die.
Kevin does not deserve to get custody of them but imo the oldest daughter should. Kevin and Ruby should get them a house and pay their bills until the young ones are at least 25, Ruby should hand over a grocery gift card each and every week until she dies and both Ruby and Jodi pays for all their therapy along with the other children. And obviously a civil suit against Jodi and Ruby for when they are able to move out on their own one day.
Yes he is a hero! Saved his and his sister’s life!!! Much love to those poor kids❤️
I think Ruby is way more calculative than the prosecutor gives her credit for. I think Ruby and Jodi are equally culpable.
Absolutely. She was abusing the children before she met Jodi.
Absolutely. She’s a snake. Calculating, controlling, sadistic, and manipulative. Ironically she likened R to being a snake. Projecting…
Ruby is actually way way way more culpable in my opinion. She was their mother! She had a duty and obligation to protect them. Not only did she utterly fail in that, but she actively participated in their torment. She deserves exactly zero leeway. She should never ever see the light of day again. This prosecutor is beyond disgusting. He has failed in his duty to advocate for justice for those kids.
If anything the mother should face stricter justice because she had the responsibility to care for those children
Yes I thought I was the only one hearing that the prosecutor seems to be placing Jodi as the mastermind. Both culpable terribly abusive with forethought planning and intent
These poor kids. You NEVER withhold food from a child as punishment
“Hopefully nobody will give her lunch” “the natural outcome is not to have lunch”, allow me to throw up at these statements 🤮
She used starvation as torture. Also even deprivation of water. She punished her son for "stealing water" when was drinking desperately from the garden hose.
You have to see the wounds those kids have, those horrible women literally tortured them.
@@mahinapereirabarbapereira3926😢
That's so sick from a mother's perspective. Shame on you!!..
The area they lived in was regularly well over 100 degrees in the summer. It’s unbearable to be outside for very long. No water is unthinkable.
@@HGD70 Torture through water deprivation..
This guy has been bamboozled by Ruby and she has totally pulled the wool over his eyes. She was not a passive follower, she had already started abusing the children long before Jodi came along. She needs to sit in prison as long as if not longer than Jodi. These were her children that she was torturing her own children, Jodi just gave here permission to escalate it. Her entire thank you speech at sentencing was fake and rehearsed. She probably had cry here, sniffle here on the paper. It was not sincere at all, and he the prosecutor fell for it.
Agreed
I don't think she's had enough time to truly be remorseful.
@@GoodWillPrevailshe will Never be Truly remorseful
What a manipulater.
And yet he has spoken with Ruby Franke and examined the evidence and we have not so the prosecutor's opinion is of more value to me.
The responders all showed huge compassion and the police showed extreme kindness to all
Ruby was using harsh punishments on her kids for years. Withholding food, no bed to sleep on, and denying any tv or social media for the entire summer. She made her son quit his football team because his coach praised him to her. I hope she’s locked up for thirty years. She’s evil.
If this prosecutor KNEW how horrific these abuses of the children was, WHY in the world are they letting them both receive such light sentences???? SO WRONG!!!
Exactly!!!!
Crazy 😧 if they don't get more than 30 years in jail but you know what will happen they might do nothing, 😢rich ppl get off 😔
Everyone is a Mormon!
Its the mormonUTAH way. No division of government, state & religion
I guess the prison decides the sentence in that state...
The FBI needs to investigate this county, the prosecutors office, judges, etc. something really stinks here.
How much influence does the Mormon church have over the Law in Utah ?
They are all Lds. They all think this is ok. The prosecutor is no different
@@geraldinegaynor1360So Much more than they should. Even Gov Spencer Cox is active Mormon.
@@geraldinegaynor1360that's my question. How much of the church influencing decisions and laws in Utah.
This prosecutor wants to blame Jodi but Ruby was abusing her children for years prior to meeting Jodi. They are equally sadistic
As a Jew I think it was an okay thing to say. Saying the kids went under a concentration camp.
That boys legs were like the legs of the victims when they were liberated and photographed! It’s sick.
This prosecutor is a clown. The fact that she could get out in 4 years is a travesty. Should have been a minimum of 15 years
I'm not sure he had a choice. They wanted to minimize the impact on the kids and insure the up to maximum prison time, which is up to 30 years. They get a minimum of 4 years but could get 30 years.
Child abuse in Utah is a second degree felony, which gets 1 - 15 years. People who are outraged at the light sentences are trying to get the law changed so that child abuse is first degree so is harsher sentences.
He didn’t really have a choice in the sentence. The deal they got was 4-30 years. Going to trial and retraumatizing the kids by making them testify in two trials would have only gotten them 6-30. He’s advocating for stricter sentences for CA but he does not have any power of the minimum sentencing guidelines
I love how little people know about the law and trials, etc. There isn’t a 15 year minimum for the child abuse charges. Nothing to do with the prosecutor
It's not his fault- a prosecutor follows the law, not MAKE the law. Utah law says that their specific crimes (even if they abused 100 kids) are always 4-30 years, with the parole board deciding when. He (or even the judge- only decision is concurrent or consecutive) can't just decide to give them the sentence they want. Even if they went to trial & were found guilty, the sentence would be exactly the same
Russell escaping when he did, before Ruby and Jodi could finalize the land purchase and move saved their lives.
he’s such a brave kid.
Exactly and to be honest, if RF didn't come to the rescue, EF, and maybe even him, would probably be dead due to further malnourishment and torture.
Right. Those poor kids would have been in the middle of nowhere.
Arizona isn't as remote as people think. There are many people who are out 4 wheeling, hiking or riding horses.
You expected Ruby to be remorseful?!?! Are you freaking kidding me? Are you guys that blind? Nobody changes that quickly! She was on the road to killing her children. And all of a sudden you believe she is remorseful?! oh my goodness, she’s remorseful she got caught. She’s putting on a mighty fine show. If people who are supposed to be educated, believe that nonsensical acting she is doing then she’s not gonna spend nearly the amount of time behind bars that is going to justify doing what she did to those kids!
The two women found each other, and teamed up, and accused the father of morally needing to stay away from his own children. As a foster care child, and even in the Childrens home, I've seen abuse years ago, however, I have never seen two adults work together to abuse. This is on a shockingly high level of abuse and criminality.
It’s too bad the prosecutor believed Ruby. She is a narcissist and said what they wanted to hear. He fell for it.
I think so too but I don't think the parole board is as blind to people like Ruby.
Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke, you are failing to see a Narcisist manipulator manipulating you.
Eric Clarke seems to have a soft spot for Ruby. He flat out stated that he wanted Jodi to do more time than Ruby because she supposedly expressed remorse. But I saw no evidence of this remorse in any of her phone calls. Plus, RUBY IS AN ADULT! Those kids were her responsibility, not Jodi's.
Ruby flirted and he fell for it.
I cannot STAND when abusers cry for their kids only after they've been caught 🤢
They’re really crying for themselves...They’re sad they’ve been caught. 😑
Ruby sounds like a true narcissis, never taking blame for anything she does. Blaming everything on someone else.
None of this needed to happen. We warned local police for years. We warned them this was escalating and when Ruby pulled out of the spotlight we warned them even more. I personally sent concerns that she was isolating the kids to further their abuse without social repercussions. This didn’t need to happen.
They both pled guilty to some of the charges only to avoid going to trial and having it all come out! They should never be released!
@@deborahpoole9710 Exactly. Jodi plead guilty because she knew I’d those kids testified she’d go away for a long long long time. It wasn’t even to rotiert the kids..
@@christykloss Sadly, it was hardly just me. So so so many other people raising alarm bells. It actually sucked when she stopped the channel, because it felt like she was solely doing so to avoid social and legal repercussions and we fully expected the abuse to escalate. The things she was willing to discuss were often egregious enough. Law enforcement should’ve known it was much worse behind the scenes.
So you saw this and reported it and nothing happened? This seems to happen a lot. Look at little Harmony Montgomery. It breaks my heart. At least these kids were saved.
This guy is so inexperienced and daft. He has no knowledge of cults. Shameful. He actually thinks Ruby is remorseful. What a simpleton.
He has no knowledge of narcissists and their manipulation tactics.
That whole area is ran by the Mormon cult. It wouldn’t surprise me if the parole board was under the Mormon cult. They better not get out early
Agreed, he is blatantly simping for Ruby.
@@-MattMcCauley- Or in the words of Chris Broussard, He's Developmentally Disabled.
Yes!! He’s obnoxious, annoying, and ignorant of the whole case!! He’s clearly just excited to be on TV!!🤬
Ruby’s voice in that microphone at her sentencing was like nails on a chalkboard.
I cant imagine going months and months feeling starved of all affection and kindness. The only piece of affection being a fickle and deranged "this hurts me more than this hurts you" or " im doing this because i love you" i want to help them and be there for them.
There is no soul in Ruby’s eyes
They look dead, don't they. Jodi Arias had the same unemotional eyes.
Manson lamps.
Those are the coldest eyes I have ever seen. Full of death and evil.
Is anyone else feeling like Ruby was doing an Oscar acceptance speech; thanking all the directors, producers and crew 'agreeing to do time'. Then Jodi saying she didn't want the kids to testify - translation - SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DO LIFE IN PRISON. Neither of these women are truly sorry. They are outraged and indignant that they got caught. Ruby KNEW she had to hit her knees and act remorseful for a better sentence - she says it in the recorded phone calls. If they don't each get at least 30+ years for this .... I can't even deal.
Absolutely. Especially after hearing her jail calls. She’s calculating, controlling, manipulative, and evil.
Yeah. She sounded soooo fake!!
Unfortunately, 30 yrs is the cap in Utah. Hopefully they serve that whole sentence, but there's no chance it will be more than 30.
i really liked his response to the “concentration camp” quote! he took feedback on the comparison but also completely agree with his intention/where he was coming from with the use of the words to describe the situation
I completely agree but maybe he should have said labour camps, as there are still many around the world that exist but not documented much on and wouldn’t have related it so much to the holocaust and therefore less backlash
The silver lining for me is that boy’s bravery, he knew it was wrong, he knew he needed to get help, he did everything right when he had the chance & he saved his sister, despite Franke’s description of how useless she perceived him. I look forward to their happy and better future because of his bravery.
Do not let Kevin have those children, he is under the control of Ruby.
True. I think he still thinks that Jodi is to blame and he could still be easily manipulated by Ruby.
He divorced Ruby and even if Ruby gets out in 4 years (unlikely), she will still be prohibited from contact with the kids.
It will take a long time for Kevin to regain custody, if he ever does. He will, at minimum, be required to complete an extensive case plan to prove that he is fit to have custody.
He would punish them for putting her in jail...
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@@sandyjay276 How do you know this? He’s divorced her and according to Ruby in her jail calls Kevin has refused contact with her since the 2nd day of her arrest.
I cry every time I see him being so polite asking for help.
He was living on n distorting Ruby was just trying to break Satin out of him
@@SmurfPerfect Yeah, that Satin, so smooth.
Making kids commit crimes like “*looking* prideful” for making it halfway through a sadistic endurance-punishment. How come child who has to be starved and beaten and paychologically abused because…Satin.
While the adult who beats, abuses and starves a helpless prisoner is…OK?
@@SmurfPerfectsatin? I didn't realise little boys were made of fabric.
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@@alisonwilson9749 hahahaha gettem' lol
this is such a powerful interview.
This is very well done.
Ruby was not just a follower, she was the abuser. Ruby was only acting, she’s pure evil.
The prosecutor seemed to favor Ruby! I hope they see your comment because you are exactly right!
The Prosecutor is ALL IN WITH RUBY!! Disgusting, disgraceful and ignorant behavior!!
Ruby's 'I want to thank the Academy' speech is really disgusting. It is worse every time I hear it.
It was so cringey. I have never seen this kind of speech in a english court! Ruby is not right in nthe head!!
She’s disgusting. The church needs to be harshly investigated as well. All churches need to based on the historic dangers they present.
the fact that an educated experienced Prosecutor is falling for Rubys compliments is ... quite ridiculous. Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke wake up.
LOVED the way you ended this program with a great tribute to the first responders and others, who seek to bring comfort to those who need it most.
I hope the children will find the strength to heal and move on with their lives. I hope they are given the love and support they deserve to become healthy adults.
Ruby's sentencing speech deserves an Oscar nomination for that performance. She did not mean a word of it. You don't change core beliefs after a few months in prison. She's trying to work the system
She pulled the wool over them.
Seriously! She’s a sadistic sociopath. She has ZERO remorse. Her “heartfelt speech” is an act and she’s already trying to manipulate the parole board and public. The fact the prosecutor buys her act shows it IS working and is sickening to consider an early release is possible.
From the few videos that I’ve seen of Ruby and her interaction with her children and her CZcams audience, I think she is too assertive and authoritative to “fall under the spell” of somebody like Jody. I think they were partners in crime and equally guilty
It is an absolute miscarriage of Justice that they were charged so minimally. They tortured those kids, and her journal writings prove that they weren’t going to stop until those kids were unalived. They should never get out. The fact they are even eligible for parole in a few years is disgusting. People are serving life for much less.
Ruby stated to R," I will keep removing your demons until the day you die."
Utah is kind of an odd ball among states, where the parole board has great powers when it comes to sentencing. That said, given the evidence, it would be insane for them to parole either of these anim- err, women after only 4 years.
@bixbysnyder-00 From my understanding I thought it was 4 years x15? Could be wrong though
@@aznmochibunny I looked into it, I think Utah law limits maximum sentence for cases like these to 30 years :( Seems like the law needs to be changed.
Yt privilege. We keep telling you guys that.
I agree, thank you 🙏 to all involved in rescuing and helping these children 👏👏👏 so patient and caring ❤️
The trouble is that it's win win for these evil women. They get out and write books and make a career out of this horrific crime against children.
Love how the prosecutor says poor people abuse their kids more than rich people (crime occurs more in the low income communities). What a complete jerk. Apparently no one has taught him that domestic abuse is an equal opportunity crime. 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Thank you. I noticed that too
I thought he meant it was reported more in low income communities. I might have misheard.
He’s probably right as far as the statistics go…although doesn’t mean child abuse doesn’t happen in higher income families. However They might want to look at the stats for Mormon families… A lot of these recent criminal cases involve Mormon families and their belief system.
Feels like he is at a bar talking to a friend - no filter. 😅
@@etoyeparkman1053 if a family with no money living in a shack filmed the same exact content Ruby did nobody would watch it. At least not for the same reasons. People who don't look like Ruby don't get away with as much. That's the society we live in.
The husband said they started sleeping in the same bed....so in my opinion there is more than just a "friendship".
Exactly
I always felt like they were lovers...their relationship was very strange and gave lovers vs friends
I must've missed it. Who was sleeping with who?
Deviant activities compounded
The thing tho is they’re super homophobic… it’s such a bizarre relationship
Why backpeddle?! What BOTH of these women did to those poor kids was absolutely horrific! Ruby has no remorse! She only feels sorry for herself! Even the husband is no better. When they told him about his kids, he was more concerned for his wife!
When she said in the first conversation I think with Kevin that she wasn't done OMG let me tell you I got the worst feeling of chills come over me!!! Like she would have never been done unless they weren't here anymore at all!!
The mere fact that Jodi was a licensed therapist is straight mind boggling
mind boggling - darrell brooks
Yeah it's unbelievable and she was funded by mormon church. All she did was funded by mormon church her niece said
2012 she was on probation
Not really - therapists are usually the most messed up people
It's terrifying
The neighbor that called 911 mentioned there were issues at that (Jodi's) house...... Why isn't anyone talking about those known issues?
Exactly. IMO officials knew about this well before and only stepped in when they absolutely had to because outsiders (neighbors) and the press found out.
The neighbors said the children were always outside working in the hot sun. They thought that was strange. Apparently not strange enough to call CPS. 😠
I think the Mormon church helped a lot to shelter them and Lori vallow. A lot of things get swept under the rug or overlooked with that church and their breakoff groups.@@jennydiver100
I don’t think the neighbors in Jodi’s area were reporting things. There had been calls to Ruby’s house before. That’s probably part of the reason she moved all her kids into Jodi’s house. Probably Jodi’s neighbors had heard the yelling and screaming that was leading the monsters to look for even more secluded property in Arizona but never called authorities.
@@winterseagull I can’t imagine how scared and frustrated she felt. The cops said they’d go to the house and they KNEW the kids were in there but they wouldn’t answer the door so they just left!! Their excuse was they couldn’t get a judge to sign off on a search warrant.
When there are children’s lives in danger, you don’t need a search warrant!
If this hadn’t been a wealthy neighborhood in Springville UT you know they would’ve been busting down that door.
That young man was so brave to ask for help. He's gonna have a story to tell when he gets older. And the precious little girl..my heart breaks seeing her so jaded by her mother. Just yelling meanly at a child is tramatizing, I can't imagine what they went through. Prayers for both of them and their siblings.
I hope the state checks in on the kids from time to time. I apologize to the kids father for my skepticism. However prior to this abuse, Ruby employed strict and controversial parenting techniques that the kids father was seemingly complacent with. It's so easy to fall back into old routines. While I believe the kids will now be free of abuse, I pray they won't fall victim to bad parenting. It's hard to be a single dad, especially the extra time and love these kids will need after this. If he ever needs help/advice, there is a world of people ready to help. After what these kids went through, they deserve the world.
My guy, you are not wrong to compare it with concentration camp. My grandparents were concentration camp prisoners in Nazi Germany. Their whole lives changed after psychological, mental, emotional abuse they endured. My life as their grandchild was affected by their trauma.
These poor children will take whole their lives to recover, then their children and grandchildren will still bear residue of that abuse. These women deserve full 30 years each. Ruby was abusive beforehand, I don't believe a word of her teary eyed written plea. She's a great actress.
Ruby was abusing her children before she met Jodi! It was a perfect storm where two cruel individuals came together and enabled one another in their wickedness.
It’s sad to see that he bought into Ruby’s narrative of being so under Jodi’s spell that her responsibility was limited
Her face when she was arrested and questioned pure contempt. Evil. She had zero remorse she was just blank with that evil stare. I gave no doubt that this is the person that her kids saw DAILY