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My wife is Palestinian as is our adopted orphan daughter and we have worked many times in Gaza for different NGOs. we were there in 2018 when 6,000 Palestinians were shot down by Israeli army snipers. It wasn't reported in western media So, no, I am not shocked. Israel has got used to total immunity from atrocities committed by the IDF and they are astonished by your outrage.
Thanks for writing about you unique experiences and life. I remember it clearly. I talked to the chairman of the Danish-Palestinian Friendship association Fathi about it. He told me that it's systemic and goes on regularly. I assume it's what Norman Finkelstein calls "mowing the lawn". I have worn my keffiyeh every year for 25 years. As well as having boycotted Israel for just as long. I hope the best for you and your family and all the co-human love possible.
The idf and the zionist government was made up from the remains of zionist terrorist group’s.
When people know the history it's not all that surprising!
what do you mean 2018? before oct 2023 there was peaceful coexistence!!! /s
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Stop talking and just listen you are embarrassing yourself .
@@zentwoninersatire?
I do not and will not support Israel anymore.
@benji But you never have. You've always hated Israel. Just be honest. Can you manage that?
@chatham43 People are allowed to have their opinions. The tide is turning. Get ready to
@yusuf I know that! Just want him to be honest with himself. Did you read my post?
It is beyond me to understand how any one with a shred of conscious or inflect could support a nation who has stolen another nation land , lives and dignity .
I second that 😢
Why is it that only Jewish sensibilities and their generational trauma matter, but the 75 years of absolute terror inflicted on the Palestinian people only an afterthought…
Why is it so many people who actually experienced the holocaust were so dead set against the actions of the Israeli State? Why do so many Jews, orthodox and otherwise, stand against Zionism?
You're ant-seme...hold on, that is a valid question...
The Irish caller was on point. IT IS COLONIALISM, and colonialism does what it has always done; doesn't matter if it's 1824, 1924, or 2024.
@mohsin So you can spell colonialism. Anything else to offer or is that it?
It is absolutely colonialism. Even the very early Zionists (that is how they identified themselves as well) made it explicitly clear that their venture was a colonial venture. There’s plenty of academic work on this available in bookstores and the OUP, including in the UK.
It really is as simple as that. 🤷🏾♀️
Imagine 30+ hospitals getting wiped out but it’s 3 deaths that is apparently “too far”
So true and so sad 😢
Very true.
Sad that it’s taken innocent British people dying for people to finally wake up. This should have been dealt with months ago…….
I agree had Hamas returned the prisoners
33,000 vs 3
They may be tory voters so we don't know if they are innocent 😢
It is tragic . But Hamas said they'd do the same thing that they did on Oct 7th over and over again. So it's difficult to have a ceasefire as they will just regroup. Hamas don't really care about the Palestinans no more than some of those IDF soldiers do.
The IDF said the priority would be damage rather than accuracy before the bombs even stared flying. They had no intent in targeting Hamas even if they could.
israel is happy that aid providers are leaving.This is their plan
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Yes. It an evil evil plan too
Exactly, all part of the criminal process.
@@AaronTheGreat________a little Austrian man with a mustache is proud of you 👏
As we can see "white lives matter" the most. 😢😔
At least GB reacted, some Israelis regularly mock Rachel Corrie with no reaction from the U.S.
It may take this for something to finally happen.
That’s not true, it’s the government and media that have turned but the people could see Israel’s cruelty very early on and the sheep will follow.. the censoring of comments the past few months it’s hard to see
@@CommonGround99205 They celebrate it as pancake day, pure EVIL
If people were watching what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria then the events that happened in Ukraine and the reaction. It was already clear to the people of perception long ago!
has james o brian ever said, Palestine has a right to defend herself?
James is trying to play both sides while actually rooting for Israel... Why he supports Israel and wants reasons to believe they can't really want to wipe Palestine off the map, is beyond me, even with insurmountable evidence he has been exposed to.
@NPColoured and he's doing a terrible job. A person with one working brain cell can see right through his nonsense. I wish I could call in.
James o Brian , Nick Ferrari and Tim never said Palestinians had a right but always defended the right of defence of the thieves and genocides
Nope
Sadly, no.
Why does a state that has only existed for 75 years have the right to exist yet the one that was there for 1000's of years before somehow does not James?
lol I see your trying to use logic here
Yes, the 7th century settler colonists need to get the f out.
@@victormeidan10627th century leave for 21st century colonists? 😂😂
@@victormeidan1062 Palestinians are natives to the land.
@@victormeidan1062the palestinians were first colonized by the ottomans, then the british, then the zionists
The original sin was in 1948, it's called the nakba.
@justin So when was the retaliatory sin?
Complete accident. The IOF drone operator meant to press the 'don't fire' button, three times.
@alex You really need to leave that bedroom. It's frying your brain!😊
@@chatham43 Thank you for your kind concern. I would leave my bedroom, however, Netanyahu shot my arms and legs off when I was collecting my pension because his 'Lavender' AI system erroneously identified me as KKKKHamas.
What about the generational trauma of Palestinians, Jimbo?
It will not matter when they all leave to Chile, Argentina, Canada, USA, Mexico, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Australia & New Zealand.
@@victormeidan1062 Generational trauma is a gift that keeps on giving no matter where the victim relocate. Ask a Black American. 12 generations in slavery and more under Jim Crow. There are still psychological, social-political, and economical repercussion that still echo from the past today. On top of that, the gas-lighting that your pain is not real or worthy to be examine. I feel for the Palestinians.
The same as slavery 400 years later.
M@virginiahall8822 Still the social remnants of that system of subjugation are present today just as the wealth from stolen resources and labour still exist.
@@virginiahall8822 Slavery didn't end 400 years ago. Read a book.
Wow, the media talking heads and politicians have finally found their moral compass.
They have none, they just can see the pendulum has swung so now they are covering their ar**!
Yes because colour mattrts
@ara We're just waiting for you!😂
Don't confuse business decisions with moral ones.
People deserve to exist. Not governments necessarily. People should have the right to exist.
No one deserves to be somewhere at someone else's expense.
Collective Punishment is Sin.
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Tell that to October 7ists
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Not all ethics are created equal.
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"October 7ists" 😅 Why do you assume that statement *doesn't* include people who committed sins on October 7th? Is it not possible that sins can be committed by both sides?
I'm recalling a 5year old Palestinian girl trapped in a car surrounded by her her dead family. Killed eventually by an IDF tank and the paramedics sent to rescue her killed too. This was several months ago
@Rachael Can you confirm that?
Hind rajab. Videos and pictures and phone call recordings. All evidence published on almost all independent media outlets.
@@chatham43 Last I heard the IDF promised to launch a thorough investigation into the death of Hind Rajab, have we heard anything substantive from them about this? Or the investigation into Israeli hostages shot dead while waving white flags? Or the investigation about the massacre at the flour roundabout? Not holding my breath about the 'independent' investigation into the deaths of these seven humanitarians/associated workers.
Perhaps if you're looking at a more objective style of investigation, independent journalists would be able to verify those credible claims from the PRCS. Could it be that the reason this is difficult is because Israel has killed at least 95 journalists as of today (CPJ): the highest death rate in a war for journalists to-date in the 21st century?
Would be interested to know what your thoughts are around that, rather than just throwaway comments casting doubt on evidence. Are you able to question the evidence of both sides in this conflict, or only one?
It was even on the mainstream news broadcasts😢horrendous
@@chatham43It was a high-profile incident, widely covered for days, confirmed by many and not refuted by the IDF. How long have you been under that rock of yours?
It's putting names and characters to those 3 whereas the masses of murdered Palestinians is just a number. If you remember masses of Syrians dying. I was sort of desensitized it was just numbers til I saw the picture and child was named and other pictures came through named Alan Kurdi lying face down washed up on a beech. Heartbreaking. Just think there are many thousands like that at the moment. The cruelty is unbelievable.
The (likely misattributed) Stalin quote "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic" is in full force here. It's like a kind of selfcare not to think too long on what it means that so many people have perished.
We should care about all of them. They are all human beings. Racism has got to stop. I well remember My late mum telling me colour is only skin deep we are all human beings and how true that is.
@louieberg2942 The human psyche cannot comprehend thousands of deaths (many of us struggle with just one death among friends and family), but it can understand an individual loss.
BDS apartheid Israel .. Free Palestine!
Absolutely !
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@@Lp-ru3zFree Palestine!
@@christianmccann9400 ya from the Palestinians 🫵🥲👶🇮🇱🥇
@@Lp-ru3zHow's Israel's Lebensraum project going? 😂
James, you’ll remember the phrase “the straw that broke the camel’s back”? 🙂. Great segment
It always fascinates me so much is tolerated and i wonder what it will take for things to change. Most change happens slowly but some changes can happen on the turn of a dime. Its all on a spectrum as are most things in life.
it's simple, it is HYPROCRISY, had this not happened, then the govt and media commentators would not have said a word.
7th Oct is not the original sin, James
@user And thus not really a sin. My sympathies to Mrs User.
@@chatham43if you wish to acknowledge Oct. 7th, then you must acknowledge the preceding decades of brutality done to the Palestinians by Israel in its ILLEGAL OCCUPATION and continued ILLEGAL SETTLEMENT BUILDING in the West Bank. And while we’re at it, let’s also ask why more than 400 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank where there is no Hamas since Oct. 7th? It seems you fancy yourself morally superior so please dazzle me with your moral consistency when Israel is the UNABASHED aggressor?
@@chatham43Maybe go and read a history book before you make a comment.
Have we ever heard the truth coming out of Israel?
@wendy Depends if you want to hear it...if you don't...then nothing ever changes...and perhaps that's what you want...who knows.
@chatham43 The truth can only be heard if it is spoken. The truth also calls for humbleness and a realisation you are part of the problem, together with willingness to compromise and find a solution that works for all involved. The rest is self-righteousness and hatred.
Only when Netanyahu says he won't work towards a two state solution
The question that should be asked is why the death of so many Palestinian civilians had not provoked the same reaction as the death of 7 aid workers? Firstly the Israelis have not been able to spin it by claiming they are Hamas and that Hamas have been using their trucks to move about Gaza. Though give them time and they will probably come up with that lie.
You’ve nailed it as far as I see it.
Evil Is real
It is not racially motivated, but the race of the aid workers makes it easier to be so swift in the criticism.
"It''s not racially motivated, but it's racially motivated" is literally what you just said.
@@sirrebelpaulc3439 Somebody with a skull profile can't understand sarcasm. Stick to video games.
@@TIMB1222 Can't read sarcasm, use a /s at the end if you're being sarcastic before people like myself misinterpret you.
Since you mention original sin. what about the original sin at the root of this problem, a plan by Balfour and others to pave the way for Zionists to dispossess Palestinians of their land.
Dispossessing a nation-state that never existed in recorded history is not a crime.
Dispossessing Palestinian people of land owned by them and for which they had legal proof of ownerdhip is a crime.
@johnmorgan8839 Yes!
Europe had no right to compensate their Jews for centuries of European antisemitism by giving away Arab land!
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There is no such nation-state called Palestine. It is a myth, a lie, a nonsense, a scam, a sham, a fabrication, a deceit and a myth.
This nation has:
No King
No Palace
No Capital
No Native Currency
No set borders
No constitution
No reality
No history
No nothing
Moreover, not only that it did not exist, it never will.
And then completed by our 'great' wartime PM, Winston Churchill as a reward for funding the war effort. Churchill once described the Palestinian people as "barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung". This country along with France were the root cause of what has happened and is happening in Palestine in the past 75 years. The chickens are coming home to roost!!!
This situation is different because of the following;
There were British killed
They were white
At least one of the vehicles had the missile dropped straight through the WCK logo
They were in killed by drones
Drone operators are seen as people that have a gamer approach to war
That the mere proximity to a supposed person with a gun is justification to make you a target
and you said theres no racism attached to it. its nationalistic racism but its still a form of racism
The conflict is between an occupying force and the people who were there when they arrived.
it's finally happening
I hope so. But, I have thought that several times.
How is James neutral if he says he supports Israel? 🤷🏽♂️ When and how can Palestinians defend themselves? He has never mentioned anything like that.. Lol Neutral 😂
He's a Zionist, just too confused to realised he supports a ethno nationalist colonist project.
the reason its changed for people who werent keeping up with gaza and it brought it home that peaceful brits were targeted and murdered
54:08 And to think it could have been a British dual citizen fighting for Israel that controlled the drone that murdered British ex-servicemen.
Israel's defenders: ""Offended by everything & ashamed of nothing."
Well quoted-Unquestionably true
"The original sin" of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict goes back much further than Oct 7. Brits, of all people, should know and own that.
One of James O ' Brien ' s most important programmes & there are plenty of them .
Why?
Cos it's of/from your/our OWN 'Tribe', that's WHY.
Seeing corbyns detractors getting in line behind his moral stance on Gaza is a beautiful thing
been looking forward to this. Thanks as always James !
What does Suella Braverman have to say about this?
She obviously is looking to be around to shake hands with Donald Trump again . Again overpaid liars, what a great job getting free flights , lavish expenses and propping up a murdering far right govt . She should be removed from office defending israel today when three of her own citizens were murdered by the IDF.
@epaki What do you have to say about it...as she's not here.
She wants to know if you condemn Kkkkhamas!!!!!
...waiting for a write up from the handlers? 😶🤔
To suggest race doesn’t play into the outrage of this is, at best, willfully ignorant.
@wyatt And unpalatable to your race stirring narrative!
@@chatham43 dontn do that. He's right. Stop being obtuse. POINTING OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING IS NOT RACE STIRRING
I agree it is only passports. Because medicine sans frontiers lost doctors more than 100 journalists have died killed and targeted. But this time it hits home and this time the victims are heroes and we raise in disgust. … it took 7 people to die with the right passport to change things. So sad. One point @james I don’t think 7october is the original sin we cannot take that event out of context. Palestinians were already on a calorie count limit of how much food was allowed to enter into Gaza. It was an open air prison. Not to justify any form of violence, but that event needs to be considered in a wider context. In addition there is NO justification for any violence against innocent civilians and this is the law! So Israel was culpable the moment it bombed houses hospitals schools. My humble view
Say what youike but corbyn has been saying this for decades
History is being very kind to Corbyn.
@@stephendoherty981 Corbyn has always been a man of political principle whether you agree with his politics or not. He has always been on the side of lifting people out of the mud while others trample over them. That's why the whole system went after him including the tories in his own party, because they have no principles other than self enrichment.
Some of us saw this coming for decades. I’m 66 and have a seen a lot of your “empire•.
@the So which country do you live in?
... in other news, 32,000 Palestinians were also slaughtered in the last 5 months.
We dont live in an extraordinary time. We live in a horrific time.
If all the killed aid workers were Egyptian, or Syrian or Iranian I would feel just the same about this. It's the circumstances of the attack that make it seem so egregious and sinister.
And that they may return to the UK as if nothing has happened.
Because you guys like a lot of people only really care when its someone that looks like you gets killed.
Remind me how has Egypt helped?
@@greamespens1460are you really interested to hear?
If you are, lll list just a few ways (out of many) Egypt is helping:
1. Handling, facilitating and giving logistic support for all humanitarian help which is coming from all around the world.
2. Giving medical treatment, on its own theritory to thousands of most severely injured civilians and children from Ghaza.
3. Sending itself tones of humanitarian help.
4. Playing key roll (together with Qatar and Jordan) in all negotiations between Israel and Hamas.
Now, how what is your contribution?
I should also add that lm living in Egypt, very close to Rafah crossing.
@@mimicocto why doesn't Egypt allow the Palestinians to live in Egypt. As I recall there were 200,000 forced out of Kuwait and we're moved from one country to the next.
@@mimicocto UK is doing all of those things too...
From own 'tribe' brings it home, makes it sort of personal, especially when you realise that it was a human operator, whilst isafe away from any return, who wound the drone from one truck, to the next, to the last, exterminating all and any boots still jumping about...
Great show, fascinating to hear all the contributions.
Thank you, Sir Alan Duncan. Do not forget the monster I listened to today, Tory Peer Lord Robathan, Get these extremists all out. Condemn Hamas for Oct 7th all you want, but condemn the far-right extremist Israeli government also. I'm sick and tired of listening to these extremists inside of our British politics.
Hands OFF Our, Sir Alan Duncan.
Lovely to see a change of heart from someone as lily white as you.
Also why do some callers seem to still think this started on October 7th!?
@ellivia What happened on October 7th??
@@chatham43scar killed mufasa
Ignorance, and wilful ignorance?
T NBC😅l
@@user-oy5fu5tj2p haha what does this stand for?
They know they have impunity because they have given "unconditional support".
This is ridiculous because even my parents and my children won't have my unconditional support.
Oct 7 isnt the original sin tho if you know about palestines history.
Just wondering if the ex human rights lawyer has seen his former colleagues calling out Israel,even if he had I don't think it will make the slightest difference to him
Nope.He needs the funding from usurpers using their usury money for him to keep his slimy trap shut about morals & international laws.
Removed a thoroughly decent man from leadership more appropriately usurped Jeremy Corbin falsely accusing him of antisemitism .
Your argument about your own citizens being harmed makes a situation more important than if citizens from somewhere else are harmed falls flat. Seeing that Oct 7 was pushed as an unspeakable atrocity, that should take precedence over any other atrocity and demanded/received the upmost attention from western countries.
29:19 it's called Islamophobia, James... Use the words
Are the Israeli hostages Islamophobic for hating the Jihadi killers who abducted them ?
James, all those times you asked 'How many is too much' seems to have been answered and the answer is 40,007
I bet the real number is 3x or 4x of that
@captain You've been busy in your bedroom Captain!
The "ELECTRONIC INTIFADA" PODCAST cast has another view on why this matter of a mere 7 deaths has caused such an apparently major change; people ( especially the host ) might want to listen to it, to 'may' be get a better context to it all.
The answer is in the west events only start when something happens to you
It’s simply a jump to be on the right side, they were cowardly and wrong and didn’t have the backbone to stand for what’s right. Now it’s so obviously turning they are simply acting in self preservation. Cowardice if rife, an it will not be forgotten.
It's amazing how detached the callers are if this was Ireland their will be "shared" experience. The cold hearted behavior has todo with their colonial history not a patriotic alliance.
My heart bleeds for the children of this war. Yours bleeds in sympathy with your wallet.
Rachel Riley still banging the drum about Israel. Boycott countdown.
@abskan You get Countdown in your country?
@@chatham43 more the question do you get it in the cave you live in?
I can’t get enough of listening to this man.
Cant believe it took 2 and a half hours to say 'because theyre white'...
_To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize._
so 3 british guys were murdered by shitrael and all of a sudden people are tearjerking now? what a sick joke
@Ahmad Well you're not British so why would you care???
Anyone not following international law does need to be sacked
You guys need to give James O’Brien credit-he has been sympathetic to Palestine more than anyone else on LBC
James, I understand that, as a white man, you may not fully grasp the significance of whiteness and the privilege it carries, especially coming from a powerful and imperialist country like Britain. Your perspective may not intentionally overlook the realities of this privilege and its profound impact since you have never been anything but white. Whiteness often provides a sense of protection and security, which can lead to (sometimes unintentionally) underestimating the challenges faced by those who don't benefit from it. Brown babies were murdered and no one powerful enough cared.
The deaths of these three heroes have highlighted the systemic advantages that come with being a white man, particularly in positions of power. Many influential and powerful people like judges, politicians, and journalists, who happen to be British white men see themselves and their family members. It hit close to home. And now, what we're seeing is their power and influence in their narrative makes that drastic shift. It's just how the world works. The powerful do run the world. In any case, my heart goes out to their families. They were there to help.
I think he has been very obtuse about this. because he can see the privileges in other cases, but i think it might be too hard for him to process because it will change his prescribed view of the country he loves. That will be painful for him
James O'Chamberlain spreads it real thick.
Time O'Brien learnt about the International Law with regards to occupation! Gaza is occupied territory under International Law so Israel has a duty of care to Palestinians in West Bank & Gaza! So its right of defence is limited by International Law!
6 months too late James...
Decades behind the curve.
Wake TF up already...
Ignorance of the law is not a defence against the law.
The first caller is suggesting that People of Gaza should be okay with living under without human rights indefinitely
Selective empathy
China's doing nothing of the sort against Taiwan. China are not causing famine or dropping bombs onto hospitals or residential homes.
It's evolutionary tribalism. A deeply ingrained trait that both explains the callousness and the need to consciously work against it
A bit late, James O'B, but you finally have been forced to use the word "atrocity " in speaking of those murdered by the Netanyahu regime.
I will believe that you have a true conversion when you speak with as much vituperation about the actions of the IDF as you speak of the actions of Hamas.
@donmac What actions of Hamas? Please elaborate. That means spell it out.!
@@chatham43 any military actions of Hamas( not that there are many).
The base condition that must be acknowledged is that Israel is an occupying power in the West Bank, and has had a continuous siège on Gaza since it ended its formal occupation. We must also begin with the fact that Israel supported the growth of Hamas as a method of splitting the Palestinian leadership and weakening the PLO.
The three blind mice rather than musketeers.
These times are truly exposing sick systems and nations around the world.
Thats because you are Extra-Ordinary James, thanks for the brutal honesty.and laughs.
If a people have been occupied and abused for 75 years, should they be given leniency by a judge?
18:09 "that first event".....one more supporter that thinks the Israel-Palestine serial started that day.
People who are living in a society that is lucky/privileged enough to be protected from persecution, warfare, criticism are perhaps not the best to draw inspiration from!?
At what point does a liberation struggle become terrorism
when the civilian casualties are similar to what the idf have been achieving?
The abused become the abuser - Israel 🇮🇱
"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge."
18:02
The Palestinians dont seem to accept the motivations of their OCCUPIERS.
This guy SOUNDS well-off, sounds well educated... And yet completely detached from reality.
Yes! It is a great James song AND album!! 🎵
In olden times, and in a different country, the US would have Bibi deposed, and Benny Gantz installed.
Amazing show James.
It’s called implicit bias darling
James, perhaps we underestimate the absolute Love the world has for José Andrés and what the World Central Kitchen stands for by proxy any aid volunteer is due the ultimate respect.
The pain has come home to roost. The straw that broke the camel back All lives matter. It's a wake up call
It's because they were British aid workers, Israel knew they were British aid workers and Israel killed them anyways, hunted them down. If they're willing to do this to such clearly innocent British charity workers, what do you think they're doing to innocent Palestinians?
The palestiinians can't get out of gaza either as they r fenced/walled in. Even the side to the sea is blocked off..
You don't really think the conflict in Palestine Israel began on the Oct. 7 Israeli security stand down and not 1948 ?
James O'Brien believes in kicking Palestinians out of their country, always has.
I think the difference is plausible deniability. It is argued by some that those innocent Palestinians being killed MAY have some connection/culpability/support to Hamas, however unproven or rebuked. That is a point of argument, of questions. But a non-muslim, white British aid work can not be waved away as a potentially viable target under any pretense, so it highlights the indiscriminate nature of the war
Whole heartedly agree with Sam from Golders Green 😊
I want to point out that people keep saying 30,000 or 32,000 lives lost. It's been like that for the last three weeks or so. I'd guess it's at 40,000 by now. The IDF hasn't stopped attacking and now people are dying of starvation, and that number never counted those who were lost in the rubble. There's no way it's just hanging at 30,000.