How much should I spend on a coffee machine?
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In a world where coffee has become elitist and over-the-top hipster, Ryd is on a mission to make specialty coffee inviting and undiscriminating; creating a community of coffee lovers who want to share their thoughts, ask questions and appreciate that we are all on a journey uncovering the delights of home-brewed coffee. - Jak na to + styl
You spend 10,000 a year on coffee you don't need a coffee machine you need help...what a complete waste of money.
No you
Listen my guy if you make enough money an hour where 15 per work day till the end of the month? Let's be honest you would do it and change up your order based on the budget you have put aside simply for your coffee
$14 a day for coffee?!???!?
Some people prefer their koffie over eating the money away so if you said food instead of koffie people wouldn't be as eagle eyes.
ofcourse i'm a budgeting person i don't buy every day a koffie or food.@@Kittyququmber
Nuts. An extreme example to make a point.
I got the Sage barista pro. I now find it hard to find better coffee than I make at home. took me 2 weeks to perfect my method and now I'm working on complex latte art =))
On the other hand, I have the Breville bambino it makes excellent coffee with great beans I out perform most shops in my area and it only cost me 280 on its 4th year of service and I make at least three coffees a day with two shots
Best coffee I ever had was growing up in Napoli (Fuorigrotta) and drinking from a moka pot with Kimbo!! The best!!!!!!!
One thing about most cafes is that they optimize their espresso for milk drinks. And if you want a straight espresso, you will get a bit larger and more bitter shot. So, making espresso at home from for example medium roast beans will have a dramatic change. And with time, you will get better and better.
I agree to an extent, however a good specialty cafe should have both. In my cafe, we run grinders and profiles for both black and white coffees and certain blends/origins will not be used across both types. Home coffee is totally different though, you're right, a cafe has to choose consistency and speed over perfection. But we get pretty darn close!! 😂👌
Great review, Ryd. Thanks heaps!
That calculation is spot on. I do not go to a café anymore ever again because it is tough to find a café who brews a better Pour Over than me! Only occasionally do I go to a roaster, maybe twice a month, to have an espresso because I do not yet have a machine.
Thanks! 👌
What's your ratio?
The video I needed. I spend so much on latte’s. Looking at my monthly cost was enough for me to consider investing in a quality espresso machine. Especially since I WFH. It’s hard to reason with yourself spending $1000 on a coffee machine. But the reality is those daily latte’s are way more expensive in the long run. Great video!
Thank you! Yes, it's hard with the upfront costs, but even if you just start with a small cheaper home machine and grinder, and great quality coffee beans, you'll save enough to upgrade what you need down the track.
I just bought the Ultima Cosa presto bolente semi automatic espresso machine! I think that was the best purchase I have done this year! So affordable and I can make great coffee at home 😊
This is true! I was spending $5-10 daily on my morning coffee! It gets expensive when you add extra shots to everything! I have a Gaggia Classic now, and make delicious espresso at home. I did a lot of mods to the Gaggia and it’s amazing! Added PID, Pressure Gauge, and Flow Control. It’s a simple machine built like a little tank! My grinder is a Eureka Mignon Zero. So I guess you would say I did spend a bit, but much less than $2K. Totally worth it.
You’re a goddamn genius. I’m showing my wife this video to justify my next machine purchase 👌
😂❤️ I'm glad I could be of service! I have never heard of anyone regret buying a good quality espresso machine. However, so many people regret the appliance brands.
Its hard to find people like you who are very honest about cost and quality. keep up the good work!
Thank you! I'm trying really hard to help people understand the value of coffee and fix the miseducation that coffee = caffeine. It's so much more! Thank you for your kind comments.
Great video Ryde. Your maths is spot on.
Phew! Thank you! It's always scary in case I get it massively wrong 😂😂
Got a Niche Zero coming in a couple of weeks that I ordered from their website. Saved around $600AUD buying directly from them. I watched your $1000-$3000 espresso machine video and I have a few machines I'm interested in. Hopefully I can decide soon.
Niche Zero if you are into the complex textured style that conical burrs tend to give: there is no better option Very good choice.
Good on you for, as a shop owner, still covering the financial reality of making your own versus buying at the cafe. We make our own Espresso drinks for the most part, mainly for the convenience and also to get drinks that suit our specific tastes, versus what our local artisan shop offers. The financial benefits are a nice adder, but likely wouldn't be the main decision point on its own.
We bought a Breville Dual Boiler about 2.5yrs ago and so far (other than a small dribble out of the steam wand), it has been faultless. We first used the Breville Smart Grinder Pro that came as a set with the BDB, but moved up to a Niche Zero about a year later. Here, we spend about $1.07 all in per double shot for the coffee/water and at $4.50USD +tip average for a double latte at our local favorite shop, it doesn't take long to justify the setup financially.
I would like to move up to something a little more sturdy down the road, but frankly, when I take all the features the BDB offers (most of which I didn't know I needed/wanted until I started using it), there are not many options that match up feature for feature, even at double the price. So maybe, down the road when our BDB does give up the ghost, we will just replace it with another new one.
Thanks again for the honest work and great guidance.
Thanks for the comment! Yes you're so right about how easy it is to justify the initial outlay vs how quickly it adds up at a cafe. 👌 I have owned 4 different BDBs over the years and that was more than enough for my home but then I decided to go for a Decent espresso machine and I haven't looked back (but it's not for everyone! 😅).
I think if you can get 5+ years out of the BDB or you can take the time to fix them up again, they are the best machines. My only gripe is that they don't generally last very long so at some point you might need to look at a different machine (Breville just bought Lelit so I'm hoping they start making a hybrid of the two as that would be amazing! )
@@Rydecoffeecoach Yes, durability (primarily from the steam boiler issues) is my main gripe about the machine. I just flipped the PTFE steam valve seals and that worked great (no more dribble). The various metric o-rings will all be here by Monday and I plan to renew all of them on the steam boiler side (all three probes are leaking slightly up by the circlips, so the small inner o-rings inside the probes will also be on the menu.)
The Decent really is tempting. Maybe when I tire of all the tinkering I will take the plunge. I am pretty envious of those of you that already have. ;)
Considering the maintenance journey I see ahead, maybe time to see if I can find that old copy of Robert Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance... :)
Yes sir, the Gaggia has been an incredible machine to learn on and I’m able to make drinks just as good as any coffee house. Was thinking about upgrading but I’m not even sure it’s really worth it for doing cappuccinos because milk masks the nuance of the espresso.
Yep absolutely true. 👌
Ive had my sage coffee machine for eight years never had a minute's problem with it and I am a huge coffee drinker
I rarely by coffee from the shop, but I see where you're coming from in terms of budget
Yeh, I mean it's just one example but there are so many people who buy takeaway coffee in Australia everyday, and then they buy the cheapest machine and wonder why it doesn't last or even produce a good coffee.
I bought a Salton CM-4 coffee grinder for $6 at a resale shop. There is adjustment for grinding results . It is noisy while operating . The job is done well.
I totally agree with you on this. I picked up a Delonghi Dedica for $70aud and got a bottomless portafilter for it. It definitely works to make decent coffees but I'd say your recommended budget is spot on for a proper, reliable coffee machine.
Yes totally, if you can grab something 2nd hand like that then it's perfect. You don't feel bad if it dies in a year, and it saves you money on takeaways. The Breville Barista Pro for $800 will not feel as good when it dies.
Interestingly, if you take the frother off and just use the plastic steamwand, you can get super silky milk on the Dedica! 👌
The Gaggia and Silvia don't have PIDs. I also think the Barista Express is great as it draws fresh water heating on demand using it's thermoblock. I know some will say the grinder isn't very good, but I have seen a blind taste test between the Breville Smart Grinder and the Niche and the Breville was preferred.i must admit that I really like the features of the dual boiler and you could pair it with a flat burr grinder for a different flavor profile.
Breville has the shortcoming of end extraction at lower temperature than gaggia or another classic machine... also, the second shot is slightly underpressurized at the exactly same configuration than the first one!!
one of the reason you pay the Niche more is also because is more accurate, and you can make drip coffee, and obviously is nicer looking. But from a grinder as you said blind test confirmed that actually coffee from the breville smart grinder does a job similar to the Niche if you are just dialing an espresso. That's a fact. Someone may spot the differences but yes that's a good machine... maybe if I could go back I would buy a separate machine and grinder instead of a bean to cup, but the sage products are really good for the cost.
Thank god you said breville dual boiler was the exception. Mine is 3 years strong
And it will last you so many more than 5 years. Not sure why he said 5.
My breville dual boiler bes920 is going for 13 years and still strong! I have just changed a month ago, pcb board, steam valve and few leaking rings. $Costed me $120 for parts. The best investnent I have done in my life.
@@michal1249 how did you troubleshoot those parts?
Great video Rydie. I watched it all and I don't even drink coffee. Engaging!
Thank so much!
I WFH and make around 5 coffee drinks each day, and that’s just me, two others in the household also inhale coffee like I do. We’d go broke if we had to pay cafe prices. That said we gave our Sunbeam cafe series twin thermoblock a workout and while you don’t mention them, I could make better coffee on that than some brews I’ve paid for. They retail around $900. It lasted 6 years. Now off to buy a real one.
Thanks for sharing. You've had a good run and saved yourself a lot of money! 🙌🙌 If you can afford a non appliance machine like a Profitec or ECM or the likes of, I think you'll get 15+ years next! 👌
Bought a Delohngi 3420 mixed with only couple days old roasted fresh bean it pulls a fantastic cup of espresso. $100 machine and i couldn't tell the difference in taste between mine and a coffee shop espresso. Same coffee beans that the coffee shop sells so I could compare apples to apples. Coffee shop is across the street from me.
So I pulled one, drank it and walked across the street. It's pretty much the same. There's might have more rounded flavor but not enough to take away from mine.
I might upgrade but I'm afraid I'll be only chasing a smaller percentage in improvement.
It's unusual that a cafe would be the same as your $100 home machine but it is possible. I tried blind tests on customers with both the $150 De'Longhi and my $30k machine and the customers always chose my coffee (it was 100% votes from ~20ppl).
Usually the pump on the $100 machines are never strong enough to extract properly so you get a watery and slightly sour taste.
But as long as you love it, that's all that matters. If you were at my cafe I think I could show you that a more expensive machine + grinder will get you significantly better results. 🤗👌
Great video! I have a question about your thoughts on quality. You mentioned you think a Gaggia will last 15 years but a Breville Dual Boiler may only last 2, can you break down why you feel that way or what experiences you've had? I owned a Gaggia Classic for a few years and I currently have a Breville Dual Boiler I'm borrowing from a friend for some videos. I feel like the Breville is a higher quality machine, the build quality is nicer, it seems more robust, and I get much better shots more easily with it than I got with the Gaggia. It's actually making me consider buying one, I am also considering a Decent machine as well though...
Oh yeh, the BDB is definitely easier to make a great shot and milk, the Gaggia requires a lot of finessing because of the hysteresis (temperature waves). However, the Gaggia is all commercial parts and no computer board. The BDB is made with commercial parts too but there's a lot of small parts like the gaskets that wear down and need to be replaced often, plus cheap computer boards. If you are willing to pull it apart and spend a few hours fixing it for a $30 part, then you can extend the life.
Don't get me wrong, I love the BDB but I always warn about the constant breakdowns and most people aren't handy or bothered enough to fix it themselves and a mechanic would charge $600+ just for labour to fix a $30 part. A refurbished BDB would be about as reliable as a new one.
The Decent is another level... 😂👌 I love it.
You're doing awesome videos, we should collab. Us little guys have to support each other. 🙌
It is simple he is sponsored by Gaggia
At least In usa parts for Breville are impossible to find. That's why my infuser is a paper weight after 6 years, even though I tried bringing it to a repair guy. He says you can't find Breville parts on any Brevilles machines. I tried to look online there is nothing except useless parts or buying other broken machines for parts hoping to get the part not broken on your machine. My repair guy said he tried to buy 2 used one to get a board but the board was fried on both other Breville. So you see why if you are unlucky and it breaks after the warranty it basically goes straight to a landfill. Hopefully the rights to repair law makes parts available and it becomes a possibility to fix them. Because for the price/ease of use Breville are so great otherwise.
good points. I have a sunbeam machine. as a Barista I like my sunbeam it's still good. PS here to look for a new coffee machine.
Oh yeh check out the videos from last months what machines to buy. You might find something there you like. 👌🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach alr
Yeah, yeah, and then get your green beans from Latin America, then get your roaster, then a 1000$ grinder ) And open a coffee shop to actually return those investments
What do you think about automated machines was thinking about the Terra kaffe 02 that’s coming out?
I have a Breville Barista Pro cost me $700.00 US and after see this video I sat down and figured out what it cost me, I get my coffee from a local roaster for $11.99 and 12.99 for 16oz bag and I figured that for me to make a 12oz flavor Latte it cost me around 55 cents this is counting coffee, milk, flavor, and water, I didn't figured the electric cost but I think it wouldn't be alot because the Pro uses a themojet and only heats when pulling shot.
A flavor Latte 12oz cost me at the cheapest $5.00 plus 10% sales tax .50 so $5,50 US so my savings is $4.95 US, I make 2 to 4 drinks a day but lets just I make 2 drinks a day every day at home this would save me $9.90 US a day, so in 71 day I have save enough money to pay off the Breville Barista Pro :)
Most coffee sold in cafe shops cheap as they can buy,you can get decent espresso maker ie delonghi sculptural around£120 but spend more on getting good quality Italian coffee which has been ground to correct size for espresso machine easy!
Totally agree with what you say Ryd. I'm probably an outlier with one of the original Breville Dual Boilers ( and grinder) from late 2011 and still going now - if a little bit worn. Saying that it had to go in for a warranty job about 18 months in to fix something...Apart from regular cleaning it ticks over doing 2+ coffees a day every day (slight leaking steam wand, and pre infusion no longer works). Now I'm looking at a very good dual boiler/HX machine and grinder. Budget up to 5.5K, it'll pay for itself like the BDB in no time. Cheers for the vids!
Thanks! Yes, they absolutely have a place and I'm yet to see a better Breville than the BDB, I don't know why they discontinued it. But yep, your next machine is going to bring you joy for many decades! 🙌🙌
Coffee difference between made in café and at home is true, and I think the cause is knowledge and experience. I can't make even a simple turkey coffee using cezve as good as I had it in cafes in Greece. So, it's not a machine that makes the greatest difference. (Same thing with cameras: an expensive one won't make your pictures look good if you aren't skilled). Also, a coffee machine bw 200-400AUD is a totally ok thing to buy for someone who never goes to a café for a cuppa coffee and/or who used to drink coffee-bots most of the time, and wants his or hers first coffee machine, and not even sure yet if it will be used often enough.
Maths doesn't work for me, I rarely drink coffee outside of home as I'm tight and refuse to buy a coffee when for the same price I can get a weeks worth of beans,
Bought a cheap 2nd hand basic coffee machine (and I mean Basic) that works fine, generally get a better cup than the 'chain' store coffees.
I only drink espresso so have no interest in steamers or any other features, so as long as it heats the water up to the correct temperature and has the correct pressure then it will make a decent cup.
Biggest factors I've found is in the beans, as long as I consistently get the quantities and temper correct, everything else is in the Beans.
Instant coffee at the back of the cupboard got thrown out recently as it had been there so long it had set into 1 lump.
Filter machine has been in filed away for the last 3 years.
I'd drink a cup of Tea if I can't have a decent coffee.
My machine cost me less than £30 2nd hand (£70-£80 when new).
Makes a cup better than most chain store bought, and when you get that good cup out of it you'll never drink anything else.
$1000 AUD = £530
Sure one day I'll buy a better machine, but it's a luxury NOT a necessity for a decent coffee .
I have had a Breville Barista Express for almost three years now. I’ve had good results from it but upgraded the grinder to a Baratza Sette which is cheating of course.
I intend to upgrade to a fancier machine once this one dies as the limitations of the BBE do become apparent after a time. However when buying my first machine spending over $1000 was daunting as I didn’t know if I would be able to make coffee good enough - and enjoy making it enough - that it wouldn’t become a paperweight.
In addition I know someone who makes great coffee with an Aldi machine and grinder. Really. I think she got lucky.
Interesting points! I agree, it's tough to jump from nothing to over $1k but isn't it interesting that we're quite happy to spend $5-10k per YEAR on coffees, yet when it comes to the upfront investment it's off putting? Maybe if it were more like cars where you get a loan, people would start investing in their home machine and grinder set-up more.
So surprised to hear people spending thousands every year in coffee outdoors.
I love coffee and even when working throughout the year outside the house barely break the €1k limit. Add to this another €500-€600 in filter coffee (&V60) at home and I'm covered.
Is the difference that my partner's not that interested in coffee or the low costs of good coffee in Spain. My local makes excellent specialty coffee well prepared €1.80 for a cortado and €2 for a double espresso, cappuccino it americano.
I will be completely honest I’ve never had an excellent cup of coffee in any café. I’ve been to many places in the world, including Italy, France, Austria UK etc. expensive machine does NOT equal great coffee. The only truly memorable cup I’ve had was in Kona, Big Island , and it was a pour over.
You missed the most important country: Australia. If you can travel here you won't be disappointed in coffee. 😅🙌
Only because I felt how important was it for you to stay professional and still support those Kenyan women I subscribed to your channel. keep on rocking!
I am MID nervous breakdown trying to decide what to buy!!!!!!! I'm past hysterical!
Ok, tell me what is most important to you and what is your budget. And then tell me your max budget. Do you have a grinder yet?
@@Rydecoffeecoach Hi! I have limited worktop space 'mainly' a height issue being 37.5cm (37.8cm!). Reluctant to have to need a separate grinder. Would like to deal with a puk not have an auto machine and want to froth milk. A 'As New' used barista pro was settled on until I saw the heiggt/hopper issue. SO greatful for your input! Amniotic deluded hoping I can make great coffee at home on this kind of budget.. ? The budget seems unachievable vs the space I have.
Hey I am confused between buying a fully automatic Budan Machine or a Gaggia classic pro! Please help and suggest please 🙏🏻
Bezzera Matrix or DUO
I have to disagree your being a bit dishonest here. You can make a really good espresso with a breville. I don't own one but you can and you know this. Bit over the top. Most people don't have a thousand dollars for a coffee machine.
He didn't say you couldn't make a good espresso on a Breville, he said the lifespan is a toss up and it could only last 2 years. He made that very clear, and this comment could be interpreted as someone shilling for Breville.
Exactly. 👌👌
You misunderstood what I said and Justin said it correctly, the machines are not built to last.
I totally get that not everyone has $1k to spend which is why I've also done a video on espresso machines to buy under $1k but it's not focussed on appliance brands.
You also said it doesn’t make “good enough coffee” 😂
I’ve had my Breville Express for six years and believe me it’s well used (if not overused). I totally get that the more expensive brands use better components but isn’t dismissing the longevity to 2-5 years a bit dramatic? And of course taste is subjective, but more often than not, a coffee bar’s espresso makes me grateful that I’ve got mine at home dialed in to how I like it.
Buy a Dualboiler with Rotapump if you drink Cappuchino. Buy only once a decent machine.
Breville Dual Boiler and Niche Zero is a fantastic combo. Add a WDT tool, milk temperature gauge, bean canister, Tamping Mat, beans and some clothes and cups and you're good to go. You'll make better coffee than most of the cafe's out there using the same beans.
Perfect! 👌
Quality beans makes better drinks. I like my grinders separate from the espresso machines. Easy to repair when they are separate. Coffee at home is cheaper and more convenient.
This assumes you live in a city, don't make coffee at home, and have an office job or lifestyle that allows you to go out for coffee during the workday. I live in a small town 75 miles north of San Francisco. Once I get to work, I'm stuck there until the end of the day. Everyone I know (who works in Wine Country) is in a similar situation. I'm not saying I won't buy an espresso machine, but your "money saving" comparison (based on a year) is more like 10 years for me.
I bought a Salton CM-4 .
I have a Saeco idea cappuccino at home it's great cost 300 second hand hand 300 to have it plumbed
Dudes insane. You can spend a few hundred for a machine that has all the bells and whistles you need. If you learn the machine and perform proper maintenance, it will last a long time
the machine in coffee shop is expensive cause it makes better coffee, it's for speed...
Nonsense. Most cafes have poorly trained "baristas" who make coffee from an espresso machine. It's rare for a café to invest in training. The good ones have... waiting in lines. Having my own coffee machine and equipment for only $200-500, and putting some time into learning, I can have coffee at any time, in 5 minutes and I don't waste time going out and queuing. The employer also values my working time.
Great video. After my 3rd Breville in 3 years 😡 I'm ready to make the jump to a "real" espresso machine and this cost analysis easily helped me make that leap.
Awesome thanks Terri! 👌
my breville broke as well three months out of warranty I had it repaired anyway due to our Consumer laws, still wasn't prepared for 3 months then I demanded my money back. Looking at a Quick Mill Pippa now
The sage/Breville Dual Boiler can be very easily maintained home. The community around that machine is huge! Bang for buck. The Dual Boiler is (at least in europe) about 2k AUD (1300€).
If you spend 1,000 on a coffee machine and it breaks down in 2 years you didn't waste 1k you saved money specially if you buy coffee every day and you spend about 8.00 multiply that for 2 years.
Yep that's fine. It's when you buy a cheap machine and it doesn't produce good coffee so you give up after 3-6months and go back to buying takeaway coffee that is my issue.
Mine just went after 5 years, that is why i am here. 6 week wait on repair or do i buy a new one?
I would buy a new one but not the same if you can afford to. 👌
Hey im thinking of getting something from the Delonghi eletta range - would you recommend?
Hey there! Just be careful with the Eletta in what type of beans you use. Don't use dark roasted ones as the oils will eventually clog up your machine. Medium roast is the best for this one. Also, make sure you keep your milk lines and containers clean otherwise they'll gunk up. 👌
Sure!! Who doesn't have a few thousand laying around for a coffee maker. And an extra thousand for an upgrade and grinder?? No problem!! While I'm at it, let's go all the way and get the stand-alone frother for an extra thousand that's only gonna last maybe three years before we have to buy the upgraded model!! To summarize, if we're not buying industrial models that cost the total of your annual salary ,we will never get a quasi decent drop of coffee.
I think if all you have around you is Starbucks then one can do as good or better with an 200 to 400 dollar machine and a good coffee all day long. I used a 99 dollar DeLonghi every day for 5 years and was quite happy, would i have been happier with a 3000 dollar machine? well duh. but as a single mother and student, that weren't happening. heck the only reason I have my 500 dollar machine now is because a store closing and they sold me the display for 150. I am sure its unintended but it comes of like your judging people for getting the machine they could afford instead of getting what you deem as a passable machine. btw delonghi machines are garbage compared to what they used too be. maybe cause there were to many people like me using their 99 dollar model for years with out upgrading LOL
Thanks for your comment! I definitely am not judging people who cannot afford the more expensive machines. Its a comment on the people who have the money but think they can skimp out on cheap equipment and still get the results that a cafe would. In Australia, we are spoiled for cafes and if you're spending $5k+ a year on takeaways, then its a no brainer to buy a $3k machine that will last you 20+ years.
Thanks for pointing it out how I might have come across. Definitely wasn't my intention.
Hi Coffee coach just wondering if you could give me a little bit of ice I know you’re probably very busy. I’m looking at upgrading from an espresso machine and have been looking at the Breville impress touch pro which is the model under the Oracle machine just wondering what your thoughts were thank you love the channel
Me who has just purchased a 34 bucks coffee machine 💀💀💀
Oh that is fine! I did another video on a $50 Delonghi I bought and you should watch that to see how good the coffee I get is.
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I am more warning people about spending $500-1k on an appliance machine to replace their takeaway coffees. It just isn't worth it in my opinion.
What about the Gaggia Pro Classic, with. $12 upgrade to lower pump pressure to 9bar? Total cost less than US$500
I think I mentioned in there didn't I ? I always rate the Gaggia classic pro. 🙌👌
A french press properly used will make better coffee than any espresso machine. That is of course unless you just want hot milk.
Better than ANY espresso machine? Even a £3000 one?
This coffee costs $74 a kilo, which might "sound" expensive. LOL
LOL at spending so much on a coffee machine. And LOTFL at spending ages learning to make coffee.
For great shots and the long run, a grinder built in is the worst choice when buying new. If the grinder is broke and its a great machine (not likely) you could get a great deal.
Great and nice videos. I get first we need a good coffee beans and better grinder.
I just enjoy time making coffee at weekends and holidays. I love creammy dark and my wife capuccino. Best choice for me (beginer) after watching your videos was Gaggia Classic evo. But scammed because that teflon problems on the boiler people are reporting.
The Turin (not available in Spain)
Profitec Go, best, but its far out of my budget.
My doubts:
La Pavoni Casa bar
Rancilio Siva V6 E last edition.
Love lelit PL41TEM but afraid of 57mm...
Any help?.
Thank you very much
Any $100 - "20 bar coffee machine" can do very decent expresso's. If it breaks by another one. At most upgrade portafilter. If you spend 10k/year on coffee you have way too much disposable income.
20 bar?🥴
The calculation assumed one is always at home when drinking coffee. Are you high 😅
You forgot to mention that once you enter the coffee making world, buying a coffee machine and a grinder is just the first dip... the reality is that every week you buy a new accessory for your coffee gear setup hahahahahaha
Jokes apart, great videos! keep up with the good content
lol! totally true. 😂
$10K Australian for coffee a year? Holy crap. I drink drip or pour over coffee at home. The only time I visit a cafe is while out shopping or traveling. First, that’s wayyyyy too much for coffee. Second, going to a cafe twice a day is a major waste of time. Who has time for that other than retired people and part timers?
have you herd of Sogo SS-5690? If you did what's your opinion on it ?(asking as a experienced barista with not a lot of money to spend on a machine )
Look, it's probably ok but I just never like built in grinders. It will heat your beans and let coffee fines eventually cook the electronics and short circuit.
If you're experienced enough as a barista I would look for a second hand Rancilio Silvia or Gaggia classic Pro and get a second hand grinder separately and you'll love it. 👌
Or there is the Turin Legato that's out in some countries and that looks way way better than any machine like the Sogo.
@@RydecoffeecoachMy Breville Barista Express was used every day and lasted 9 years. Single dosed the beans so heating them wasn’t an issue. I’ve upgraded to Dual Boiler and Niche Zero now but I’d happily recommend the Barista Express or Barista Plus if you single dose.
Noone is spending 28 dollars a day at Cafe sir
coffee is sick expensive in Australia, no way this math can be applied to South Africa, our cafe coffee is 1/4 of your calculations.😮
Yeh I know that our coffee culture is very different here but I think the maths still applies. You'd just calculate it based on your expense on take away coffees and then work out how much buying a machine will save you. 👌
I'm pretty sure out there is video out there looking down on this one and categorically stating you *must* spend 10k AUD or you are wasting your time. I do not notice the difference between cafe coffee and my cheaper machine. But I admit I don't consider myself an afficionado. I really wonder whether there is such a difference for even the supposed afficionado . I recall they did some double blind scientific studies on wine and all the medal award winners from the supposed superior vinyards came nowhere near the top - most mid ranking or below. A lot of the awards and largesse expressed for the expensive superior producers turned out was mostly bias and snobbery by the wine people when rigorously put to the test. I do wonder whether same applies to coffee. I think it might.
manual levers like the robot, flair and Forge are epitome of home espresso coffee maker for big enthusiasts, they make amazing home espresso since theres just so much control. Grinders, on the other hand,are a money sinkhole. FU-
For common people, robot is a great lever but gaggia and Rancilio are great for machines.
You basically gave away my entire next video about what machines to buy under $1k 😂😂👌🤫 (but you're totally right)
@@Rydecoffeecoach 😂😂😂
My major problem is that I want a super automatic espresso machine but every time I look people's machines are breaking in the super automatic category. Anyone else find this to be the case?
Hey rich kid most of us haven't got a 1000 dollars to spend on a coffee machine 🤨🤨
Not a rich kid 😝 but maybe I didn't explain it clearly enough, what my point was to show that if you're spending money on takeaway coffees it's quickly going to add up to thousands a year, so rather than do that, spend $1k+ upfront on a machine that lasts you 15+years (instead of $500 that might only last 3-5yrs) and you'll actually save money while getting cafe quality coffee.
I'm not being elitist or a rich kid, I'm trying to help people save money.
Who can afford to spend that much on coffee? I always wonder why the line at Starbucks is so long. Who can go there? My mother is loaded and treats herself once a week.
Yeh I think it's an Australian cultural thing to go to cafes everyday. We love our coffee! 😅👌
Great Video Mate!
But there is a flipcoin to this!
If you are new and just started your espresso journey. You don't want to chough up that amount of money you are talking about before you have mastered espresso making, the dailing etc. And THAT is the problem! The risk will be that the person buys all that expensive stuff and doesn't learn to master it, then he or she will have a expensive equipment that is just lying around and collect dust because the person got fed up with it. The challenge for all you espresso equipment reviewers is, that it is easy when you have money to buy that and this etc. But if you don't have that but wants do go in for it and learn, what equipment should you buy then? That's the challenge! And don't say Gaggia Classic pro or Rancillio Silva etc. I'm talking about stuff that are even more budget friendly! Because today many companies like Breville doesn't do in-house, they outsource the production they have, so a Breville grinder can be alot lower in price if you getting it with another brand name on it. And this is the reason I don't believe in that a consumer has to go out and buy expensive espresso gear, but many of you reviewers are taking the easy way by reviewing the same gear as the next fellow espresso gear CZcams reviewer. And this really makes me really disappointed in many CZcams reviewer, they are just repeating them self and not thinking out from box!
Totally agree with your point. This video was made for people who spend thousands and thousands of dollars each year on takeaway and then try to buy a cheap Breville to replicate the coffee at home. Of course, if you don't have the budget you should buy a Delonghi stilosa and start there (I did a video on that machine).
But learning espresso is easy so most people will make better coffee at home if they get the right equipment. And it will last!
Who the hell spend 15$ for 2 coffee every day?
So many people! Remember that this is espresso I'm talking about and that's AUD not USD. Just a Starbucks caramel Venti in Australia is $8.50 so its not a huge stretch to get to $15.
shoild try the casabrew machine. $150? vs the delonghi
I've actually reached out to casabrew to get hold.of a machine and test it against the Delonghi. They could be good 👌
Talking about uk coffee shops,they mostly go for cheapest coffee then make in a state of art Italian machine daft!
When will we have digital coffee so the learning curve is closer to digital photography? On the Kenyan coffee, of 100 shots...you didn't count that 60 of those shots are just OK, and 40 are better, and maybe 20-30 are GofShots, lol. Moral...learn on cheaper beans folks!
Very true. The problem is that machines are so expensive still and this is a barrier to entry for a lot of people so they opt for cheap machines which don't produce great quality. If you could get Decent espresso for under $1k then you'd have an awesome coffee with 100% repeatability at the touch of one button (not quite, but close to).
Dam 28$ for 2 coffee
Nah I meant 2 large coffee twice a day. So total daily is $28 (AUD not USD). Still, its a lot! :)
Great video, as well as the others ive watched. Theres so much disinformation floating around the internet about kitchen name brands.
I do have a question. If you had to pick from a semi auto or automatic machine, which brand would you choose for both types? 2-3k price range.
Respectfully.
Great question! Sorry I didn't see this comment before. I try to reply to most but must have missed it. I've got a video on semi automatic machines (I don't really recommend automatic ones but that's just because I'm a control freak😂) from $1k-$3k on my channel so hopefully that helps you. 👌🙌
@@Rydecoffeecoach thank you so much!!! I hope more people see your videos, because its so informative. Best of luck. Cheers
Then there is me with my $30 USD coffee machine that's lasted 15 years while living in small town of 3,000 with zero coffee shops >_
How much is a coffee? $14 each….where are you Vienna? More like $6 x 2 = $12 x 365 $4300 per year..in 2023
This example was a couple that had a large alternate milk coffee twice a day. But yes, even at just a single $6 coffee a day you can see how quickly it adds up. Even at just $4.3k you could buy a fantastic machine and be saving money in 12 months.
I spend £144 a year on coffee, the idea of spending 1000 on a coffee machine is madness.
You should be ashamed selling a medium coffee for $7 wtf .
Actually, I'm proud! I get that you don't understand why, so thank you for bringing it up. Coffee education is almost nonexistent which I why I'm doing this.
The reason coffee has been so cheap for so many years is because of slave labour. Even today, big companies bully farmers into accepting far below fair prices for their coffees so they can make huge profits.
Whereas, I know that the farmers I work with are getting more money in their pockets to invest back into their businesses and families, the baristas I employ earn higher wages, and the customers are getting the best possible coffee I can give them.
Please PLEASE watch this video so you get a better understanding of why you think coffee should be cheap: czcams.com/video/5CMVk0dhHdc/video.html
I like my aeropress 😅
£500 😂 yehhhh naaaa. I would say that some of the nicest coffee I drink is a simple manual filter coffee at home. That's all I'm looking for, a decent drip filter which makes good coffee, ready for me in the morning
Yes that's definitely true. This video was aimed at espresso drinkers in Australia and the cafe culture here.
Why appliances brand does not last long??
Mostly Breville and Sunbeam, Smeg and cheap supermarket brands like Anko, probably Stirling too. I think Delonghi have a better life but lower quality output (in my opinion - however I haven't tested that on the Specialista range so maybe someone can help correct me there).
But Ryde! You didnt recommend any machines besides the Breville, and under 1K with Gaggia and Silva. WHat about the 1500-2500? Also, I think for some folks who are looking for these pro-sumer level machines, we need a diagram to compare their internal parts, such as boilers, valves, elec controllers, piping, weight, size. This way we can see; "Oh, this machine has a aluminum boiler", so I might avoid that, and not lose my pace in finding the right machine. This steam wand is doing X amount of pressure stream vs the other machine. OK, And then it falls to maybe warm up times, or looks, etc. I am about to watch the 1k-3K video, which I likely already watched...Which tells you something...Some of us are not getting the info needed :-) I thought the Ascaso Spanish machine would be great, but, not after reading the details, yet it is pushed as a top performer. So I am skipping it. The Appartmento maybe great, or the Profitec Go or Pro 500? but what are the parts comparable? What are we getting for the extra cost on some of these? Then, maybe cover a bit older models, like NS Musica, or Oscar2 vs what these current top models are offering. Maybe a used machine is a great way, (so far all 3 of my machines in over 20 years have been second hand, and only sold as I quit coffee, or wanted to upgrade).
The Rocket pushes out like 11 bar pressure out the box for some reason. It can be adjusted if you open the machine up but the Profitec is better set up out the box and does 9 bars.
Just buy a good old $30 percolator
That works too! Just buy better coffee beans!
$28 / £15 a day, £5,500 a year on coffee do people really spend that much, how much do they earn...I really think I'd rather spend my money on something else.
Remember, I'm in Australia so when I first filmed this I was using Australia (biggest cafe culture in the world). So it's also $AUD which is about 30-40% of £ or so. But yes, people in Australia spend about $5-10k a year on coffees from a cafe.
so how purches ? I don't get the point. No any tech information...
You want this video I think czcams.com/video/rbDOSZwnUWQ/video.html
...Sometimes you just want the caffeine, bro
Appreciate your comment but I just think this isn't true. The cheapest and easiest way to get caffeine is to buy the caffeine tablets. They cost something like 10c and you get the equivalent of about 3-4 coffees. But why do we drink coffee, still - and espresso, at that? It's expensive to make and expensive to drink but yet the biggest coffee chain on the market is Starbucks. It's not about the caffeine, it's about the experience and the warm feeling you get when you are sipping that morning coffee. It's that joy that gets you through the hardest days. 👌
I think it's all of the above lol
The caffeine is the most boring aspect of coffee. As said above, you could just buy caffeine tablets.
If most people are paying upwards of $10,000 a year on espresso drinks then you would be correct in your analysis. The reality is that your average, everyday working person cannot afford that and honestly probably wouldn't be willing to even come close. In my mind, for the majority of people, you are being over the top unrealistic. There is a HUGE percentage of people that go and get their favorite coffee shop espresso a couple times a week and then do just fine with a several hundred dollar machine with a HIGH quality bean and HIGH quality burr grinder at home the rest of the time. Yes, the machine is important but the grinder and the bean are so much more important for the home "barista". You are simply not addressing average everyday people. I feel you are out of touch. Your statements that it takes such a huge investment of time to learn to make espresso at home is, IMHO again, completely incorrect and out of touch with the average working person. Thank you though for the time and effort you have put into this analysis. Have a great day 🙂
Thanks for your feedback. When I first filmed this a couple of years ago, I didn't realise I'd be going off internationally and I was speaking about Australia. I own a cafe here and I can tell you the cafe culture is huge here and we all drink 12oz/16oz coffees everyday. The alt milk is 50% of the market and at $6.70 each X 2 per day X 2 people = ~$27. So you can see how quickly it adds up. Sure there are many different drinks cheaper and more expensive, not everyone has 2 a day, etc etc. But I'm just using the figures from my experience in Australia (also, remember Australian prices are 30% more than USD).
I'm definitely not out of touch as I'm literally on the ground floor every day talking to people and answering questions but I do think it might be very different here in Australia as espresso coffee culture is so huge.
Yeh kind of agree with you, also this guy is super bias, he is a coffee shop owner, so ofcourse he is going to tell people you have to pay £1000s and hours of training to get anything close to what he can do 😂 99% are going to be very happy with a simple decent morning coffee, made with good quality beans.
Gave up on brevlle etc
Too gimmicky
Too much plastic
Bought ECM Mechanika Slim V
Mignon grinder
Beautiful quality
No fancy computer programming
Totally agree Ryd👍
Thanks for sharing Pete! 👌 Do you think the Breville is a gateway machine for people though? Like do they need to go through the pain and disappointment of Breville quality before you realise it's a sunk cost? I've really struggled to convince people to jump straight to a quality machine. They can't see the value exchange until after the fact.
@@Rydecoffeecoach definitely
@@Rydecoffeecoach I don't know what the BDB either has massive hate or massive love in the community. I've had my BDB for 5 years now I run into an issue of having the steam wand not working after de-scaling and it started leaking like 2 years ago. I opened it up and replaced all the gaskets, and a couple of days later the steam boiler reset and everything is been running fine ever since. I think some people just have this or other issues and just throw it away and say it is garbage. Maybe we are so used to dispose things that we don't even try to fix them. Now I know that I must replace gaskets every 2-3 years and de-scale it manually, and hopefully it will last a long time.
@@Rydecoffeecoach Awesome vid Ryd, as always!
In all honestly I think the BDB's are pretty good bang for buck if you're confident enough to open them up and service them yourself. Had one for nearly 4yrs before a ruined it after a descale, but they gave me a new replacement through extended warranty. After that I learned to service it myself and am now learning to service coffee machines in general. That one stayed with me 4yrs with no issues. 3 thing's I've learned: A) Do not follow Breville's descale instructions because their way almost always pops the thermal fuse on the steam boiler. B) Use filtered water even though there's a filter in the tank and C) Replace the boiler O-rings (very cheap and easy to do). I've seen some from 2016 that haven't had a hint of any issues just because of those 3 tips. So I reckon they're great for beginners if they're looked after right.
That being said though, I've upgraded to a Bezzera Galatea Domus and love the whole manual process. Even better after I put a flow controller on it. Only issue is they're not always tuned from the shops and can sit at around 13bar, so they need to be toned down, even if you have a flow controller installed. Fitting an OPV ain't too difficult though if you're willing to have a crack at it :)
Starbucks is no better than my little machine.. I don’t think you will waste money.. it’s not hard to make a cup of coffee
bruh a single coffee is like 2$
An espresso? I doubt it, but of course some cafe owners don't realise when they aren't making profit. $2 for any espresso that's high quality isn't profitable.
Stupid premise, a $500 machine cannot produce as good a quality espresso as a $5000 machine. BS, I bought a $500 machine fro my
first espresso machine and guess what, the espresso is as good as any pro machine. It is not just the machine it is the careful prep.
This guy is an expert? the "Coffee coach" ? Please, everybody is an expert out there.