The oddest fact was the study that showed that after ocean mining, after it was over, (and they only removed metals), the area became a virtual desert for decades, and even microbial life was not fully sustained. These systems are more complex than out greed for the metals either understands or cares about.
@@haroldnicholos7436 i do not think we need to stop using cellphones or those metals for that matter. We just have to keep at increasing our knowledge and learn to do things respecting our planets. There is whole solar system of those metals and many other resources. We'll soon get there!
Rechargeable lithium batteries don't have all that much lithium in them, the coin cells have a lot more. Disposable vapes are of course still one of the worst products ever invented, though I do like them as a source for free batteries. Found a battery powered lantern in the garbage, just finished converting it to rechargeable using some vape batteries.
@jesipohl6717 When the proposed solution is worse than the problem: "Take subsidies away from ranchers so we can grow electronics instead of dairy and steak" Yeah let me just give up my food so you can buy a brand new phone every year to doom scroll on! You value your smartphones and video games more than food.. literal meat and potatoes.
@@herrweiss2580There are some science channels with fast cuts and millions of views that seem to have scripts generated by LLMs. This trend has been emerging on YT over the past two years.
It's not always accurate though, so you need to take everything with a grain of salt. Anton's a good guy, but he is wrong every now and then. Like in this video, for example: (4:43) Lithium is not in short supply and never has been. It is plentiful almost everywhere on Earth.
@@-108- While you're not wrong, lithium as an element is everywhere. Only certain kinds of lithium deposits have it in high enough concentrations to make them worth mining for manufacturing, which limits the supply.
Wish they would just get it over with, I mean, those with the s , running the show, are hell bent on squeezing every last resource out of our living earth. And oh well if they kill us all off in the process, they will be comfortable till the end.
Agreed. It's devastating for an environment that is already understudied. We could lose information, and worse, species, that we haven't even identified yet. And because it's an area not used to being disturbed at all, any movement could be catastrophic.
@@d-.-axx The problem is it's currently not illegal for deepsea mining, especially in international waters. To make new laws it takes time, time that corporations can use to lobby against. And when it comes to international waters, it's even harder to enforce the laws there.
Clickbait doesn't have to be manipulative, it just happens to usually be remembered as manipulative given the shock of false advertising, case in point Anton does use a clickbait formula, but uses real details in an extraordinary lense. It is a really well done form that retains user respect.
It occurred to me while you were talking about the evolution of life- 1) the idea that life had access to oxygen at the bottom of the ocean is seriously game changing when it comes to how we tell the story of early life. This may well rewrite the textbooks in ways we may not expect. 2) Some of the theories on the origin of life involve lightning and chemical soup, which is being served hot and fresh by the midocean ridges all the time, so it's possible that their voltage phenomenon had something to do with the origins of life itself. It makes more sense to me than lightning striking some weird tidal pool.
The oldest oceanic crust on the planet is Early to Mid Jurassic in age, approximately 200 million years old. It is poised to enter the subduction zone off the Kamchatka Peninsula in the northwestern Pacific. All the sea floor areas with nodules must be forming them on crust younger than that
First we had the ancient natural nuclear reactor in Africa. Now we have natural battery fields on the ocean floor that generate oxygen. What' will be coming next?
I think this also brings up the increased likelihood of life in moons and ice planets with deep oceans... the whole concept that the building blocks of life can be present by a huge variety of means. I think is very hopeful. What is not hopeful, is the constant search for profit without any responsibility to its externalities. Polluting, mining and in general any other transformation or harvesting of natural resources should always have included the cost of reparation of the damage included, making impossible to profit from activities that do more damage than good. I know is not that simple and just an ideal but why are we not considering the incentives to the general world instead of just local cost/price analysis?
No moon or planet is going to have an oxygen rich atmosphere without photosynthesis, and the life supported by the oxygen produced at these depths on earth only came into being because photosynthesis produced the life that it evolved from. There's no planet/moon that has life that was produced through oxygen from electricity generated by magnesium that split oxygen atoms from hydrogen atoms, that doesn't have any photosynthesis taking place. Secondly, the creatures that live at this depth serve no purpose to human beings. Whether they exist or do not exist our lives our unchanged. What companies plan to mine does serve human purposes. How does it make sense to harm human interests to protect something that has no impact on human interests?
@@lindaseel9986Rob the atmosphere and ocean of oxygen? The only area that will be impacted is going to be the areas that are going to be mined. There aren't going to be any noticeable effects in other areas of the ocean or in the atmosphere. The only impact will be the few creatures who live in those areas will have to survive in other areas or will cease to exist. Currently, those creatures serve no human purposes, our lives are the same whether they exist or do not exist. However, what will be mined does serve human interests, in what is produced using the materials mined. I'll ask you as I asked the OP, how does it make sense to harm human interests to protect something that has no impact on human interests?
In the mid 1970's, the CIA project Azorian used cover story of mining the "manangese nodules" when they were really trying to raise a sunken Russian submarine. This cover story was heavily covered by the media using CIA planted stories. There have been several books, movies, etc. describing this project.
@@m1meichle The Glomar explorer, financed by Howard Hughes, and given to the US navy to raise a sunken Russian sub, only to find the entire thing so radioactive, they had to bury the remains in a lead coffin, and work carefully on the subs remains that made it to the surface. They even filmed the crew burial at sea to show the Russian people the US was a caring country, even though they violated a sea grave site. But I doubt any Russian saw the film, as the Russian government wants to keep it all a secret.
Yep they have been know for a long time , the issue was its such a harsh environment to make it profitable to mine them is the problem, building the tech and collection production line, harvest to processing. But they have been biding their time many areas of the sea bed have been sold off to prospector countries and corporations , massive co operatives have had licences to start mining with many countries involved in those licences .
This tells me two things: 1: this explains the discrepancy between flora biome sizes and oxygen levels in our atmosphere 2: that even if we burnt every forest on the planet, (eg asteroid strike) in a few hundred thousand to million of years, the oxygen would build up enough for life to emerge again, explaining weird gas levels recorded in core samples going back millions of years.
Yeah this discovery has huge implications for understanding deep sea life. Mining it would be like cutting away at the base nutrition of an entire deep sea ecosystem -- that's a bad idea.
I mean it helps oxiginate the water for sure, likely helping life to emerge in the first place, but I highly doubt it's that significant to the world at larges level of O2 at least compared to plants and bacteria
Yeah, let’s remove a major source of environmental oxygenation in the oceans. What could go wrong? We mine terrestrial minerals so holistically and without consequence.🙄
In the year 2087, the race for deep-sea resources was at its peak, driven by corporate greed and relentless competition. A mobile intensive mining unit, the Titan, descended into the dark depths of the ocean, its hull illuminated by harsh floodlights that cut through the blackness. Onboard, the crew was a mix of technicians, engineers, and overseers, their focus sharply on maximizing output rather than on environmental considerations. The unit’s advanced sensors and machinery were designed with one goal in mind: to extract as many nodules as possible, regardless of the cost. At a depth of 3 kilometers, the Titan began its operations with a thunderous rumble. The unit’s high-powered drilling equipment and hydraulic arms worked in unison, tearing into the ocean floor to unearth valuable polymetallic nodules. The sediment plumes churned by the extraction process spread far beyond the immediate area, smothering nearby habitats in a cloud of silt. The mining was relentless. The Titan's robotic arms, though precise, moved with a brutal efficiency. Nodules were snatched from the seabed and dumped into the unit’s extraction chambers with little regard for the surrounding ecosystem. Critical environmental data was collected but often ignored, as the pressure from upper management demanded ever-increasing yields. Orion Extractions Inc. faced fierce competition from rival corporations, each vying to corner the market on these precious resources. The scarcity of deep-sea nodules, driven by both their rarity and the high demand, fueled a cutthroat environment where corners were cut and regulations were overlooked. The Titan's operations were part of a high-stakes game where the only rule was to stay ahead of the competition at any cost. Onboard, the monitors flashed warnings of escalating turbidity and rising levels of toxic heavy metals. However, these warnings were routinely overridden or ignored. The emphasis was on meeting quotas and deadlines, with any potential long-term consequences brushed aside in favor of short-term gains. The deep-sea environment was paying the price. Microbial communities were being wiped out by the sediment plumes, and the benthic fauna, from small invertebrates to larger creatures like giant squid, faced habitat destruction and poisoning from toxic runoff. Reports of declining biodiversity were dismissed as exaggerations by those who saw profit margins and shareholder returns as more pressing concerns. Corporate espionage further exacerbated the situation. Rival companies often sabotaged each other's operations, from hacking into data feeds to tampering with equipment, all in a bid to gain a competitive edge. These actions not only heightened the environmental impact but also led to frequent accidents and spills. When the Titan's mission was completed, it surfaced with its holds filled with valuable nodules, which were swiftly transferred to surface processing ships. The data collected, including environmental impact reports, was often manipulated to downplay the damage and satisfy regulatory requirements without disrupting profits. Back on land, the mining conglomerates reaped the rewards of their ruthless efficiency. The processed metals were sold at premium prices, fueling a cycle of increasing demand and environmental degradation. The deep-sea world continued to suffer in silence, a casualty of human ambition and corporate greed.
I really enjoyed reading your post. Very well written and, unfortunately, all to likely. I just don't know what it's going to take to convince people to stop raping the Earth without regard for the environment and the animals. I guess it's going to take a catastrophe of gigantic proportions.
Would be pretty cool if just sticking a bunch of nuggets of metal composites is enough to create whole ecosystems. Of course there's always the risk of causing a bigger problem by playing god with ecosystems, but that's why we have ecologists. Also makes me wonder if there's a way to create low maintenance 'batteries' that do what this does to water but for greenhouse gases in air.
@@johnsober this is what studies and science are for, likely experimenting in damaged areas like where they were removed, to see what resolves or improves conditions
It shouldn't surprising that mining stopped because of prices dropping over realizations of their importance. That's just how people are today. There's a section of ancient forest left untouched in socal only because the owner of the land lost his deed to it. It was halfway turned into a golf course. It's not surprising at all
My recollection is that Armstrong Redwoods State Natural Reserve (North of San Francisco) came about when the guy harvesting the property looked out over the trees and decided if he didn't do something about saving it his daughter(s) would never see the Redwoods that he was cutting down. So, it can work both ways. Recognition of the problem(s) and willingness to do something about it is a good beginning.
@@Seigensi America is not the problem, greed is the problem. America has so many national parks because people wanted preserve the landscape and wildlife. Throwing problems at America is just a cheap scapegoat move when there is many countries right now destroying their landscape for profit by mass deforestation and poor mining habits.
As some of us have been saying: Earth is a live planet. Not just the biosphere, the entire planet. Once we stop referring to life "on" the planet, we will begin to realize why we may never find life elsewhere in the galaxy and certainly not in the solar system, for what we are searching for is another live planet.
Similar life/eco processes are likely taking place on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, where (the moons) have liquid water (under the frozen crust) capable of dissolving metal into metal salts (reaction products of metal oxides and water) and natural gas seeping from the ocean floors as the ultimate energy (food) source.
@@jims8828 Yes, but that makes the same mistake, namely that somehow an inert planet got life on it. My point is that, given that life is 4.2 billion years old on Earth, who is 4.5 billion years old, what we call "life" was simply a stage in the evolution of Earth. In other words, from day one Earth was a live planet. It is time to reassess our old dogmas, IMHO.
@@rxbracho Some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn are not inert, but very active; quite of few of them have active volcanoes. If the earth is indeed 4.5 billion years old, life may well have existed on the earth for 4.5 billion years.
@@jims8828 Indeed! My point exactly. 👌 I'm not against searching for another live planet (or satellite), we will keep on learning the uniqueness of Earth, the solar system, and perhaps the Milky Way, although I'm less sure about the latter being unique, in the true sense of the word. Good chat, thanks.
Hey Anton I'm just taking a moment to stop and say you're awesome and I'm a long time viewer though I don't comment. Thanks for being a wonderful person!
With discovery of water under the surface of Mars, maybe mining some of these from ancient martian sea bottoms and moving them to water locations would help in terraforming in a somewhat passive way. Maybe contain and store the oxygen and hydrogen in the lava tubes, for future settlements there. Probably no one would do this as the return on investment in a persons lifetime would be nada. Greedy humans.
This basically means all the colder Super Earths with a global ocean likely have complex life forms beneath the ice. Such large planets would absolutely possess large-scale subsurface volcanism, releasing huge amounts of metals and sulfides into the oceans, forming these nodules and oxygenating the seafloor even tens of miles below the surface. Indeed, there are likely many cases where these deep sea floors are vastly more productive in terms of life than many miles of ocean above.
I had a dream I was helping Anton save items from a housefire such as vintage books and delicate serving crystal. Don't overload outlets folks or store your vintage books in the kitchen.
8:27 "...hopefully stop these mining plans from becoming a reality". OK, this guy is legit in the regard that counts for me. Not just an "anything goes" science nerd... Totally subbed to this channel now.
@@AlexBarbu I think you are overscrutinizing the question. Where does the energy come from is a valid question, and the "for them to function for a long time" is just implied.
Graham Hancock was right after all those damn EV loving Atlantians that destroyed themselves, their ideas are infecting and ruining another society all over again.
1) how deep do the nodules go in the sediment? If they’re just on the surface, what keeps them there? 2) Is the lost biodiversity from mining due to the nodules themselves? Or the loss of cover, which fauna in the ocean like?
1) they are heavy 2) 70% of the biomass of earth is in the crust in the ocean, disrupting it, turning it over to harvest the surface or taking enriching minerals away that make their way deeper in through erosion and infuse oxygen over time will have devastating effects on the earths biosphere.
Agree. The accumulated metal is likely the result of microbes stripping hydrogen from the natural gas (CH4) seeping from the ocean floor as their food source and storing the hydrogen in various forms of organic lipids (fat), then the microbes using the oxygen from the metal oxides in the water as their oxygen source to burn the fat when needed for their various activities. That process leaves behind the metal. That's why usually heavy metals, as the heavy metal's bonds to oxygen are weaker.
The oxygen evolving complex of photosystem 2 has manganate and calcium at its active site to split H2O into H+ and O2. Manganates are inorganic catalases that split hydrogen peroxide , H2O2 , into O2 and H2O so with a little assistance from protein enzymes they can split water too. A new book published by Austin Macauley Publishers titled From Chemistry to Life on Earth outlines abiogenesis in great detail with a solution to the evolution of the genetic code and the ribosome as well as the cell in general using 290 references, 50 illustrations and several information tables with a proposed molecular natural selection formula with a worked example for ATP. Only 267 pages.
@@felhomaly When you propose a catalyst you have to say on what reactants it works to produce adenine and to what reactants it breaks adenine down into , consistent with equilibrium laws. I'll check it out for myself.
@baraskparas9559 That's OK, but it was a reference in the literature of an Eigen's article cca 40 years ago, and I don't remember the details. The authors were Fox et al, as I remember.
It stands to reason that, IF mining these rocks means MORE CO2 in battery production, and LESS O2 production, then, NO, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT mine them... 🤨 😎🇬🇧
Ohhh noo CO2😱 02 is just a toxic in high amounts... most of what we actually breath is nitrogen, and methane from beaver wetlands is the greenhouse gas causing problems.
The less batteries, the more poisonous fumes from petrol burning cars. But, we have enough lithium mines that don't ruin the land and within a decade or so we will be recycling all we need. Can Big Oil say that? Hell no! Meanwhile, wireless energy may fuel EVs where infrastructure is updated. No matter what, a moratorium on mining these nodules is justified.
As we all know, earth surface mining generally leaves poisoned wastelands. Attempts at environmental restoration demonstrate little sucess. Why would we expect better results in future mined areas of the deep ocean? Tom Triumph
Really interesting post Anton, thanks. I do hope that common sense can prevail over commercial interests and these areas of the sea floor are protected and left undisturbed. You have to wonder if we could also make such nodules ourselves and repeat what nature has done - reseed the areas we previously damaged and restore them back to how they were.
Bottom trawling does massive damage to the sea's ecosystem, so I imagine the damage scooping rock is 100x worse. Fishing industry will lose their fishing stock real quick if these mining companies are allowed to do this. Surely humans can do better than this.
No, not exactly. The depths that the nodules are found at are far below the fisheries depths. The modern techniques do not include stripping the sea floor or "scooping" at all. This recent discovery is literally the result of a sanctioned test of a new mining technique. Basically, they use a big vacuum to get the nodules and everything else drops back down. The efforts in the 70's that Anton talks about were strip mining of the seafloor with heavy equipment.
You and your channel are my favorite on CZcams because if you said we discovered aliens I would 100% believe it. I might check the description box that time though lol
What an incredible find! I hope there's research being done on combining this deepsea battery phenomenon with previous experiments on matching the primordial soup of early Earth. This may be the key that finally unlocks the origin of life!
The most concerning part about the mining of these oxygen producing deposits is that they are a NON RENEWABLE resource. So unlike a forest that can just grow back, once it's gone... It can't be replaced. We have no idea what kind of domino effects it could have on the world's ecosystems.
Fascinating. This is good to know, especially considering that geologists are actually picking up those stones on their surveys. Beyond Manganese, I think that the rocks also possess a lot of Cobalt and nickel, which caught the attention of the mining industry.
Hopefully there will be no mining of these important metallic rocks. And if some companies goes after these rocks, the bad PR of doing so will destroy their market value. Something tells me countries like China and Russia will go after these anyway.
There's literally a UN treaty on exploiting the sea floor. This discovery was made because the agency in the UN responsible for protecting these beds granted permission for the limited experiment in return for the data.
The reason there was an explosion of interest in seafloor mining in the early Seventies was because Howard Hughes built the Glomar Explorer to collect those manganese nodules, and people believed that if he thought it was a viable enterprise, it must be worth doing. What they didn't realize is that it was all a lie. The real reason the Glomar Explorer was built was to recover a Soviet submarine that had been lost some years before. The seabed mining scheme was just a cover story.
The whole sea floor mining of the nodules was a CIA cover story to recover a Soviet Golf sub off the sea floor. Howard Hughes and Scripps oceanography also participated in the cover and the build a couple of ships named Glomar xxxxx to lift the sub off the sea floor. Eventually they lifted parts of the sub.
Batteries that produce for hundreds of millions of years only to be mined for Batteries that produced for hours, and only need to have thier solution distributed to increase production. You'd think they would be trying to duplicate the structure of this material.
Why duplicate when you can mine it naturally..... I feel like mbue we shouldn't mine this... and im pro progress and pro capitalism aswell but this is where life began.. you cant grow these back when you've took them. These aren't trees..
@@rogermartinez78@ rogermartinez78 I am sure it has a role in keeping the ocean alive but I do not think we have enough research to say how important their role is even as the sure volume makes their role quite pivotal.
It’s always fascinating to me that we know more about space and the universe around us than we do about the oceans on Earth. Thanks again for your great and scientific explanation of this earthbound topic.👍🤙🖖
I had a job to do in a steel tube factory in the 80s in Germany. There was a heap of these nodules, used for alloys. They have a distictive odor to them
We can lol, its very easy to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen with a human made battery. As he said, to form naturally it takes millions of years
@@RollingCalf ok but… if we were to mine them or manufacture them ourselves with fossil-fuel powered mining tools or factory equipment it would have a carbon footprint… 🤦🏿♂🤦🏿♂🤦🏿♂
@@RollingCalf Yo it's a nice idea. I wonder about catalysts, as well? (catalysts which assist to naturally facilitate/help formation of these dark-oxygen-producing, rare [timely to form] rocks) @fergalhennessy775 Ay man and no need to ridicule him. Maybe since (theoretically) making these by hand wouldn't be so hard; the trade-off for an oxygen surplus / wider+more diverse ecosystems... COULD be worth it? (GIVEN WE DON'T MINE THEM) Also, oldmate wasn't saying mine them AND, I think, the Earth could ALWAYS benefit from more oxygen (unless the footprint is too much, as you both say) Think of how levels are down compared to pre-history and prior.
One thing I found interesting was that one of the scientists who discovered this originally dismissed the findings as it didn't fit with current theory. Does this also rule out detecting oxygen on other planets as a sign of alien life?
How any type of mining is still legal, shows the level of failure in our system. The sheer amount of destruction for basically useless items is incomprehendable. EDIT: Still no functioning reply button, so: "My way of life" is not dependent on mining. I have no use for electric cars. I don't need to be watching or commenting, I could use my time more effectively, but there are individuals who keep destroying this planet for whatever reason, and bcz eliminating them is illegal, I keep opposing them by watching and commenting. I could take the other route, but that would cause all kinds of outcries from you, my fellow consumers. You don't NEED these minerals or the products either. They create the illusion of convenience and development to your very much undeveloped lifestyle. This notion is brought to you with recycled equipment.
I found a bunch of 'fossilized' nodules like these sticking out of the shale in northeaster PA. That shale is ancient seafloor, and there were hundreds of them just in one little outcrop where the layers split and exposed them.
Theres no way this is not happening in thousands of other planets in the universe, opening up the door for life evolving in all kinds of (previously thought of) unlikely places. Exciting!
The oddest fact was the study that showed that after ocean mining, after it was over, (and they only removed metals), the area became a virtual desert for decades, and even microbial life was not fully sustained. These systems are more complex than out greed for the metals either understands or cares about.
Well said indeed! 👍
This is true, and yet without te greed for those metals we wouldn't have discovered this! The irony of life
And yet here we are chatting on devices made from these metals..... If we were truly concerned we would not have cell phones or nothing..
@@haroldnicholos7436 i do not think we need to stop using cellphones or those metals for that matter. We just have to keep at increasing our knowledge and learn to do things respecting our planets. There is whole solar system of those metals and many other resources. We'll soon get there!
@@haroldnicholos7436plenty of resources on land. People need to invest more money into exploration.
'shortage' of lithium, as thousands of pounds of it gets thrown away as vapes, every day
right to repair and forced/subsidised commercial recycling should be the norm. we can take the subsidy away from meat farmers.
Rechargeable lithium batteries don't have all that much lithium in them, the coin cells have a lot more.
Disposable vapes are of course still one of the worst products ever invented, though I do like them as a source for free batteries. Found a battery powered lantern in the garbage, just finished converting it to rechargeable using some vape batteries.
@@j.f.christ8421 do you have a video how to do that safely
@jesipohl6717
When the proposed solution is worse than the problem: "Take subsidies away from ranchers so we can grow electronics instead of dairy and steak"
Yeah let me just give up my food so you can buy a brand new phone every year to doom scroll on! You value your smartphones and video games more than food.. literal meat and potatoes.
@@j.r.8176 there are more solutions to lack of meat than your ignorance allows you to be righteous about.
If any other channel had that title / thumbnail, I wouldn’t have trusted it.
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Yeah same
Very true, Anton is like older CZcamsrs where most titles were exactly what the video was about. That's one of the reasons I love his channel
Look up john michael godier if you love space and science. As well as event horizon. As always thank you Anton for another banger!
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This channel is peak internet.
There are an abundance of channels in that category.
I’m beyond grateful!
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@@herrweiss2580There are some science channels with fast cuts and millions of views that seem to have scripts generated by LLMs. This trend has been emerging on YT over the past two years.
It's not always accurate though, so you need to take everything with a grain of salt. Anton's a good guy, but he is wrong every now and then.
Like in this video, for example: (4:43) Lithium is not in short supply and never has been. It is plentiful almost everywhere on Earth.
@@-108- While you're not wrong, lithium as an element is everywhere. Only certain kinds of lithium deposits have it in high enough concentrations to make them worth mining for manufacturing, which limits the supply.
Some of us have been raising awareness on this for years. They rake the sea floor near the vents that are basically underwater cities for sea fauna.
What can the people do to stop it? Are there petitions?
Wish they would just get it over with, I mean, those with the s , running the show, are hell bent on squeezing every last resource out of our living earth. And oh well if they kill us all off in the process, they will be comfortable till the end.
Agreed. It's devastating for an environment that is already understudied. We could lose information, and worse, species, that we haven't even identified yet. And because it's an area not used to being disturbed at all, any movement could be catastrophic.
@d-.-axI'd I'd sign it.
@@d-.-axx The problem is it's currently not illegal for deepsea mining, especially in international waters. To make new laws it takes time, time that corporations can use to lobby against. And when it comes to international waters, it's even harder to enforce the laws there.
Very interesting as usual! No clickbaits, no illogical thumbnails, just pure and simple data!
No underhanded political motivations
Clickbait doesn't have to be manipulative, it just happens to usually be remembered as manipulative given the shock of false advertising, case in point Anton does use a clickbait formula, but uses real details in an extraordinary lense. It is a really well done form that retains user respect.
@@ProtoPropski True! Clickbait is not inherently bad; misleading/alarmist clickbait is.
Anton only uses the good kind.
Yes! This channel is powerfully addictive.
😊 that's the reason why we love him
Oxygen output not requiring photosynthesis, fantastic find.
They shouldn’t mess with those rocks, man.
Don't mess with those rocks, man!!
We need a flint dibble down there
I think we should make this a campaign ad, man.
I think they should. The amount of oxygen they produce is negligible anyway
@@yancgc5098 Ok, go ahead
It occurred to me while you were talking about the evolution of life- 1) the idea that life had access to oxygen at the bottom of the ocean is seriously game changing when it comes to how we tell the story of early life. This may well rewrite the textbooks in ways we may not expect. 2) Some of the theories on the origin of life involve lightning and chemical soup, which is being served hot and fresh by the midocean ridges all the time, so it's possible that their voltage phenomenon had something to do with the origins of life itself. It makes more sense to me than lightning striking some weird tidal pool.
The oldest oceanic crust on the planet is Early to Mid Jurassic in age, approximately 200 million years old. It is poised to enter the subduction zone off the Kamchatka Peninsula in the northwestern Pacific. All the sea floor areas with nodules must be forming them on crust younger than that
most of the biomass of life is in the crust, it makes sense to me that biological processes contribute to their production.
@@jesipohl6717 These nodules form at the sediment/water interface so they're actually resting on sediment deposited on oceanic crust
Neat speculation
We still learn something new every single day about our planet. We need to tread lighly.
First we had the ancient natural nuclear reactor in Africa. Now we have natural battery fields on the ocean floor that generate oxygen. What' will be coming next?
the whole world is like a precious library and pharmacy, we should all be like ents but we are buring it all fast like orcs instead.
Wow, we really need to get this information out there to the general public! They start mining this, it will cause major catastrophes!😮
I think this also brings up the increased likelihood of life in moons and ice planets with deep oceans... the whole concept that the building blocks of life can be present by a huge variety of means. I think is very hopeful.
What is not hopeful, is the constant search for profit without any responsibility to its externalities. Polluting, mining and in general any other transformation or harvesting of natural resources should always have included the cost of reparation of the damage included, making impossible to profit from activities that do more damage than good. I know is not that simple and just an ideal but why are we not considering the incentives to the general world instead of just local cost/price analysis?
Big step for terraforming if we can replicate the process.
Exactly. Rob the ocean of these rocks, Rob the ocean of oxygen. Rob the ocean of oxygen, Rob the atmosphere of oxygen.
No moon or planet is going to have an oxygen rich atmosphere without photosynthesis, and the life supported by the oxygen produced at these depths on earth only came into being because photosynthesis produced the life that it evolved from. There's no planet/moon that has life that was produced through oxygen from electricity generated by magnesium that split oxygen atoms from hydrogen atoms, that doesn't have any photosynthesis taking place. Secondly, the creatures that live at this depth serve no purpose to human beings. Whether they exist or do not exist our lives our unchanged. What companies plan to mine does serve human purposes. How does it make sense to harm human interests to protect something that has no impact on human interests?
@@lindaseel9986Rob the atmosphere and ocean of oxygen? The only area that will be impacted is going to be the areas that are going to be mined. There aren't going to be any noticeable effects in other areas of the ocean or in the atmosphere. The only impact will be the few creatures who live in those areas will have to survive in other areas or will cease to exist. Currently, those creatures serve no human purposes, our lives are the same whether they exist or do not exist. However, what will be mined does serve human interests, in what is produced using the materials mined. I'll ask you as I asked the OP, how does it make sense to harm human interests to protect something that has no impact on human interests?
@@orionsimerl6539 Can't really say for sure, it would be better to try to recreate it a different way.
I'm 65 and recall reading about these nodules back in the 1970's.
They were talking about mining them then as well.
In the mid 1970's, the CIA project Azorian used cover story of mining the "manangese nodules" when they were really trying to raise a sunken Russian submarine. This cover story was heavily covered by the media using CIA planted stories. There have been several books, movies, etc. describing this project.
@@m1meichle The Glomar explorer, financed by Howard Hughes, and given to the US navy to raise a sunken Russian sub, only to find the entire thing so radioactive, they had to bury the remains in a lead coffin, and work carefully on the subs remains that made it to the surface.
They even filmed the crew burial at sea to show the Russian people the US was a caring country, even though they violated a sea grave site.
But I doubt any Russian saw the film, as the Russian government wants to keep it all a secret.
Yep they have been know for a long time , the issue was its such a harsh environment to make it profitable to mine them is the problem, building the tech and collection production line, harvest to processing. But they have been biding their time many areas of the sea bed have been sold off to prospector countries and corporations , massive co operatives have had licences to start mining with many countries involved in those licences .
@@m1meichlehow interesting, thx for that info
This tells me two things:
1: this explains the discrepancy between flora biome sizes and oxygen levels in our atmosphere
2: that even if we burnt every forest on the planet, (eg asteroid strike) in a few hundred thousand to million of years, the oxygen would build up enough for life to emerge again, explaining weird gas levels recorded in core samples going back millions of years.
I mean, most of the world’s oxygen is produced in the ocean, even discounting these rocks. Cyanobacteria has been around for ages, y’know?
Yeah this discovery has huge implications for understanding deep sea life. Mining it would be like cutting away at the base nutrition of an entire deep sea ecosystem -- that's a bad idea.
further of importance, something like 70% of the earths biomass is in the crust at the bottom of the ocean.
I mean it helps oxiginate the water for sure, likely helping life to emerge in the first place, but I highly doubt it's that significant to the world at larges level of O2 at least compared to plants and bacteria
Another nail in the coffin of the fraudulent climate change models in addition to the photo-molecular effect discovered last year.
The more I learn about this planet, a lot of it from you Anton, the more it amazes me.
Yeah, let’s remove a major source of environmental oxygenation in the oceans. What could go wrong? We mine terrestrial minerals so holistically and without consequence.🙄
These metallic rocks aren’t a major source of oxygen, the amount they produce is very negligible. It’s why we detected it recently and not earlier
Incredibly detailed and well reasoned argument to not disturb the ocean floor and destroy those environments
Metallic rocks form in-series batteries that allow natural electrolysis to occur. Rocks! I didn't know this so my mind is blown. Great video Anton.
In the year 2087, the race for deep-sea resources was at its peak, driven by corporate greed and relentless competition. A mobile intensive mining unit, the Titan, descended into the dark depths of the ocean, its hull illuminated by harsh floodlights that cut through the blackness. Onboard, the crew was a mix of technicians, engineers, and overseers, their focus sharply on maximizing output rather than on environmental considerations. The unit’s advanced sensors and machinery were designed with one goal in mind: to extract as many nodules as possible, regardless of the cost.
At a depth of 3 kilometers, the Titan began its operations with a thunderous rumble. The unit’s high-powered drilling equipment and hydraulic arms worked in unison, tearing into the ocean floor to unearth valuable polymetallic nodules. The sediment plumes churned by the extraction process spread far beyond the immediate area, smothering nearby habitats in a cloud of silt.
The mining was relentless. The Titan's robotic arms, though precise, moved with a brutal efficiency. Nodules were snatched from the seabed and dumped into the unit’s extraction chambers with little regard for the surrounding ecosystem. Critical environmental data was collected but often ignored, as the pressure from upper management demanded ever-increasing yields.
Orion Extractions Inc. faced fierce competition from rival corporations, each vying to corner the market on these precious resources. The scarcity of deep-sea nodules, driven by both their rarity and the high demand, fueled a cutthroat environment where corners were cut and regulations were overlooked. The Titan's operations were part of a high-stakes game where the only rule was to stay ahead of the competition at any cost.
Onboard, the monitors flashed warnings of escalating turbidity and rising levels of toxic heavy metals. However, these warnings were routinely overridden or ignored. The emphasis was on meeting quotas and deadlines, with any potential long-term consequences brushed aside in favor of short-term gains.
The deep-sea environment was paying the price. Microbial communities were being wiped out by the sediment plumes, and the benthic fauna, from small invertebrates to larger creatures like giant squid, faced habitat destruction and poisoning from toxic runoff. Reports of declining biodiversity were dismissed as exaggerations by those who saw profit margins and shareholder returns as more pressing concerns.
Corporate espionage further exacerbated the situation. Rival companies often sabotaged each other's operations, from hacking into data feeds to tampering with equipment, all in a bid to gain a competitive edge. These actions not only heightened the environmental impact but also led to frequent accidents and spills.
When the Titan's mission was completed, it surfaced with its holds filled with valuable nodules, which were swiftly transferred to surface processing ships. The data collected, including environmental impact reports, was often manipulated to downplay the damage and satisfy regulatory requirements without disrupting profits.
Back on land, the mining conglomerates reaped the rewards of their ruthless efficiency. The processed metals were sold at premium prices, fueling a cycle of increasing demand and environmental degradation. The deep-sea world continued to suffer in silence, a casualty of human ambition and corporate greed.
I really enjoyed reading your post. Very well written and, unfortunately, all to likely. I just don't know what it's going to take to convince people to stop raping the Earth without regard for the environment and the animals. I guess it's going to take a catastrophe of gigantic proportions.
I love the consistency and definitely appreciate your fully-informed background, in EVERY topic!
You da best.
Keep it up Anton 👊😀
It's not the full leson, it's a starting point for the curious
I remember reading about these when they were entertaining the idea of running those massive scoops along the ocean floor years ago.
@@imanoppressedamerican those lines you are refering to are artifacts coming from satelites moving in straight lines
@@imanoppressedamerican Wait, you thought those lines were mining tracks?
They spoke about it years ago and are doing the mining now
I remember reading about this type of mining in current events in the 1970s.
@@anthonytucker1707 They were more interested in mining Soviet submarines though.
Hello wonderful Anton 👋
😂 I said to myself, "Hello wonderful Man!"
this vid 😂
Makes you wonder if we could after learning, move, enhance or supplement these metal potatoes to help oceanic recovery efforts
Would be pretty cool if just sticking a bunch of nuggets of metal composites is enough to create whole ecosystems. Of course there's always the risk of causing a bigger problem by playing god with ecosystems, but that's why we have ecologists. Also makes me wonder if there's a way to create low maintenance 'batteries' that do what this does to water but for greenhouse gases in air.
Playing God at this point wont make any difference compared to the results of just Playing Mortals.
@@johnsober this is what studies and science are for, likely experimenting in damaged areas like where they were removed, to see what resolves or improves conditions
i know what im going to do; invest in metal potatoes
@@le8307 I wanna learn to make my own! Where's that recipe?
Very intriguing indeed...
...and yet another darn good reason for an international agreement on leaving these nodules alone.
Thanks Anton.
Indeed.
The Japanese will probably eat them
@@c_n_b they will be used to make the computers that help hunt cetaceans for sure.
@@jesipohl6717 computers wich works two years. But this system works millions of years. I think we are the Cro-Magnon here.
It shouldn't surprising that mining stopped because of prices dropping over realizations of their importance. That's just how people are today. There's a section of ancient forest left untouched in socal only because the owner of the land lost his deed to it. It was halfway turned into a golf course. It's not surprising at all
My recollection is that Armstrong Redwoods State Natural Reserve (North of San Francisco) came about when the guy harvesting the property looked out over the trees and decided if he didn't do something about saving it his daughter(s) would never see the Redwoods that he was cutting down. So, it can work both ways. Recognition of the problem(s) and willingness to do something about it is a good beginning.
Virgin forest remants are protected here in Sweden. They are amazing places to visit, as there are just so many different species there.
@@rocroc I recognise that america is the problem. I've given up doing anything, can't educate or change them.
@@Seigensi if everyone before you thought the same way the ozone layer would already be gone
@@Seigensi America is not the problem, greed is the problem. America has so many national parks because people wanted preserve the landscape and wildlife. Throwing problems at America is just a cheap scapegoat move when there is many countries right now destroying their landscape for profit by mass deforestation and poor mining habits.
These will probably make their way to action movies next year… The Rock under water, bad guy cuts his scuba hose, the Rock breathes with rocks
As long as they put a chick in it and make it lame and gay.
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As long as you put a chick in it and make it lame and gay
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One of the best creator of contents I've seen. Also great pronunciation.
Thanks for your efforts, research and all supporters. ❤
As some of us have been saying: Earth is a live planet. Not just the biosphere, the entire planet. Once we stop referring to life "on" the planet, we will begin to realize why we may never find life elsewhere in the galaxy and certainly not in the solar system, for what we are searching for is another live planet.
Similar life/eco processes are likely taking place on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, where (the moons) have liquid water (under the frozen crust) capable of dissolving metal into metal salts (reaction products of metal oxides and water) and natural gas seeping from the ocean floors as the ultimate energy (food) source.
@@jims8828 Yes, but that makes the same mistake, namely that somehow an inert planet got life on it. My point is that, given that life is 4.2 billion years old on Earth, who is 4.5 billion years old, what we call "life" was simply a stage in the evolution of Earth. In other words, from day one Earth was a live planet. It is time to reassess our old dogmas, IMHO.
@@rxbracho Some of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn are not inert, but very active; quite of few of them have active volcanoes. If the earth is indeed 4.5 billion years old, life may well have existed on the earth for 4.5 billion years.
@@jims8828 Indeed! My point exactly. 👌 I'm not against searching for another live planet (or satellite), we will keep on learning the uniqueness of Earth, the solar system, and perhaps the Milky Way, although I'm less sure about the latter being unique, in the true sense of the word.
Good chat, thanks.
Hey Anton I'm just taking a moment to stop and say you're awesome and I'm a long time viewer though I don't comment. Thanks for being a wonderful person!
Dark Oxygen.....ooooooohh👻👻👻👻👻👻. Thanks Anton for not using this term in the title for clickbait. You are a wonderful person.
Dark oxygen is good name. Stop bitching
Ofc, the attention would be un-wanting
They found Dark Matter!
Yes, I'm joking.
I wish they picked a different name.
Remember the oxygen producing rocks in Robinson Caruso on Mars?
Crusoe
Remember a pas video on Oxygen and photosise around other stars. This another blow to rare earth hypothesis
@@osmosisjones4912 i tend to lean that we are a school science project of some advanced alien's offspring...
With discovery of water under the surface of Mars, maybe mining some of these from ancient martian sea bottoms and moving them to water locations would help in terraforming in a somewhat passive way. Maybe contain and store the oxygen and hydrogen in the lava tubes, for future settlements there. Probably no one would do this as the return on investment in a persons lifetime would be nada. Greedy humans.
Outside the box thinking there and who knows, it may happen.@smallpox6738
I've always thought strip mining the ocean for anything was a bad idea.
I 💯 percent agree
land too
This basically means all the colder Super Earths with a global ocean likely have complex life forms beneath the ice. Such large planets would absolutely possess large-scale subsurface volcanism, releasing huge amounts of metals and sulfides into the oceans, forming these nodules and oxygenating the seafloor even tens of miles below the surface. Indeed, there are likely many cases where these deep sea floors are vastly more productive in terms of life than many miles of ocean above.
Such a slow forming process, such a delicate and vital cycle, being destroyed for the production of batteries! Mining cannot go forward.
Yes of course. We should instead get rid of civilization and technology and return to a hunter-gatherer society 8 billion strong.
I had a dream I was helping Anton save items from a housefire such as vintage books and delicate serving crystal. Don't overload outlets folks or store your vintage books in the kitchen.
Anton tells it like it is! Love this guy
8:27 "...hopefully stop these mining plans from becoming a reality". OK, this guy is legit in the regard that counts for me. Not just an "anything goes" science nerd... Totally subbed to this channel now.
One of your very best videos, Anton. Thank you for all you do.
Electricity and oxygen around nutrient rich ocean vents - sounds like the ingredients for life to me!
I'm surprised and disappointed that Anton didn't ask the obvious question: if these nodules work as batteries, where does the energy come from?
@@AlexBarbu I think you are overscrutinizing the question. Where does the energy come from is a valid question, and the "for them to function for a long time" is just implied.
@7:40 chemical process involving iron rust- the source of energy required to produce voltage
@@entropy8634 how come they did not rust away long time ago? They can not rust indefinitely
@@erykczajkowski8226 constant supply of iron from geological sources, is my best guess
@@entropy8634 That seems like a huge constant supply though. How?
These nodules on the sea floor are actually the remnants of ancient civilizations EV parking lots.
Graham Hancock was right after all those damn EV loving Atlantians that destroyed themselves, their ideas are infecting and ruining another society all over again.
1) how deep do the nodules go in the sediment? If they’re just on the surface, what keeps them there?
2) Is the lost biodiversity from mining due to the nodules themselves? Or the loss of cover, which fauna in the ocean like?
If you change levels of oxygen, species will die. Simple.
1) they are heavy
2) 70% of the biomass of earth is in the crust in the ocean, disrupting it, turning it over to harvest the surface or taking enriching minerals away that make their way deeper in through erosion and infuse oxygen over time will have devastating effects on the earths biosphere.
They're literally sitting on the surface. Excellent questions, and there have been organizations working on answering them for decades.
@@jesipohl67171. If they are heavy then why are they still on the surface. Over milloons of years they should have been covered by sediment by now..
My belief is that what was observed could simply be oxidized minerals, which had settled from the water column, undergoing deoxidation over time.
Agree. The accumulated metal is likely the result of microbes stripping hydrogen from the natural gas (CH4) seeping from the ocean floor as their food source and storing the hydrogen in various forms of organic lipids (fat), then the microbes using the oxygen from the metal oxides in the water as their oxygen source to burn the fat when needed for their various activities. That process leaves behind the metal. That's why usually heavy metals, as the heavy metal's bonds to oxygen are weaker.
The oxygen evolving complex of photosystem 2 has manganate and calcium at its active site to split H2O into H+ and O2. Manganates are inorganic catalases that split hydrogen peroxide , H2O2 , into O2 and H2O so with a little assistance from protein enzymes they can split water too.
A new book published by Austin Macauley Publishers titled From Chemistry to Life on Earth outlines abiogenesis in great detail with a solution to the evolution of the genetic code and the ribosome as well as the cell in general using 290 references, 50 illustrations and several information tables with a proposed molecular natural selection formula with a worked example for ATP. Only 267 pages.
Manganates are catalysts of abiogen adenine synthesis, as well.
@@felhomaly When you propose a catalyst you have to say on what reactants it works to produce adenine and to what reactants it breaks adenine down into , consistent with equilibrium laws. I'll check it out for myself.
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That's OK, but it was a reference in the literature of an Eigen's article cca 40 years ago, and I don't remember the details. The authors were Fox et al, as I remember.
It stands to reason that, IF mining these rocks means MORE CO2 in battery production, and LESS O2 production, then, NO, ABSOLUTELY DO NOT mine them... 🤨
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co2 is irrelevant. chloroplasts in plants will eat it and make o2.
Ohhh noo CO2😱 02 is just a toxic in high amounts... most of what we actually breath is nitrogen, and methane from beaver wetlands is the greenhouse gas causing problems.
The less batteries, the more poisonous fumes from petrol burning cars. But, we have enough lithium mines that don't ruin the land and within a decade or so we will be recycling all we need. Can Big Oil say that? Hell no! Meanwhile, wireless energy may fuel EVs where infrastructure is updated. No matter what, a moratorium on mining these nodules is justified.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 💙🙂👍
How do you do it Anton. Fresh content every night to help us sleep ❤
As we all know, earth surface mining generally leaves poisoned wastelands. Attempts at environmental restoration demonstrate little sucess.
Why would we expect better results in future mined areas of the deep ocean? Tom Triumph
This was incredible, thanks Anton!!!
The more we learn, the more there is to learn. Fascinating! Thank you Anton. 🙂 I watch *almost* every video and I LOVE your channel.
Incredible! I hope we can preserve it and not destroy the possibilities for short sighted profit. 😢
Really interesting post Anton, thanks. I do hope that common sense can prevail over commercial interests and these areas of the sea floor are protected and left undisturbed. You have to wonder if we could also make such nodules ourselves and repeat what nature has done - reseed the areas we previously damaged and restore them back to how they were.
The ocean has had enough irreversible damage done to it
It doesn't even notice us
I'm so glad I get to experience new scientific discoveries in this era...
Bottom trawling does massive damage to the sea's ecosystem, so I imagine the damage scooping rock is 100x worse. Fishing industry will lose their fishing stock real quick if these mining companies are allowed to do this.
Surely humans can do better than this.
No, not exactly. The depths that the nodules are found at are far below the fisheries depths. The modern techniques do not include stripping the sea floor or "scooping" at all. This recent discovery is literally the result of a sanctioned test of a new mining technique. Basically, they use a big vacuum to get the nodules and everything else drops back down. The efforts in the 70's that Anton talks about were strip mining of the seafloor with heavy equipment.
Thank you Anton, this "Dark oxygen" was new to me!
"ow waw, special rocks that produces free oxygen, lets collect them and let half the ocean die!"
What could possibly go wrong?
Maybe you shouldn't.
Best CZcams channel hands down
This can change everything
This is definitely a major discovery. Thank you Anton!
That animation at 4:30 is heartbreaking.
You and your channel are my favorite on CZcams because if you said we discovered aliens I would 100% believe it. I might check the description box that time though lol
This channel is god tier
god is fake , this channel is not !!
Thank you, Anton! You are a wondeful person :)
Glad you are covering this one. Scary how much we don't know about the oceans.
It was the cover story for the glomar explorer
What an incredible find! I hope there's research being done on combining this deepsea battery phenomenon with previous experiments on matching the primordial soup of early Earth. This may be the key that finally unlocks the origin of life!
Wow, some more amazing news. Thanks Anton
The most concerning part about the mining of these oxygen producing deposits is that they are a NON RENEWABLE resource. So unlike a forest that can just grow back, once it's gone... It can't be replaced. We have no idea what kind of domino effects it could have on the world's ecosystems.
Forest is not only trees, plant trees on golf courses and hemp for toilet paper and stop buying dollar stuff from China
Cool find!!
Fascinating. This is good to know, especially considering that geologists are actually picking up those stones on their surveys. Beyond Manganese, I think that the rocks also possess a lot of Cobalt and nickel, which caught the attention of the mining industry.
Hopefully there will be no mining of these important metallic rocks. And if some companies goes after these rocks, the bad PR of doing so will destroy their market value. Something tells me countries like China and Russia will go after these anyway.
Russia won't be able to do it.
China will, they have no ounce of conscience.
They already scavenging protected ww2 shipwreks from the ocean.
There's literally a UN treaty on exploiting the sea floor. This discovery was made because the agency in the UN responsible for protecting these beds granted permission for the limited experiment in return for the data.
The reason there was an explosion of interest in seafloor mining in the early Seventies was because Howard Hughes built the Glomar Explorer to collect those manganese nodules, and people believed that if he thought it was a viable enterprise, it must be worth doing. What they didn't realize is that it was all a lie. The real reason the Glomar Explorer was built was to recover a Soviet submarine that had been lost some years before. The seabed mining scheme was just a cover story.
the original elon musk, what terrible humans.
@jesipohl6717 The question is what the hell is he planning to use Starship for
The whole sea floor mining of the nodules was a CIA cover story to recover a Soviet Golf sub off the sea floor. Howard Hughes and Scripps oceanography also participated in the cover and the build a couple of ships named Glomar xxxxx to lift the sub off the sea floor. Eventually they lifted parts of the sub.
That was Project Azorian, there's some good documentaries on that on YT
Well... Hopefully they heed these warnings. Thank you Anton for another informative video.
Oh man I was hoping you would talk about this!
👍⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐a brilliant and exceptionally good analysis. WE shouldn’t mess with those rocks.
Anton you're the best man .
Batteries that produce for hundreds of millions of years only to be mined for Batteries that produced for hours, and only need to have thier solution distributed to increase production.
You'd think they would be trying to duplicate the structure of this material.
Why duplicate when you can mine it naturally..... I feel like mbue we shouldn't mine this... and im pro progress and pro capitalism aswell but this is where life began.. you cant grow these back when you've took them. These aren't trees..
The nodules have been there for millions of years and it may help keep the ocean alive.
You mean it helps to keep the ocean and terrestrial life alive.
@@rogermartinez78@ rogermartinez78 I am sure it has a role in keeping the ocean alive but I do not think we have enough research to say how important their role is even as the sure volume makes their role quite pivotal.
Thank you for putting out this video
Great video!!!
Well...another good reason to finally start mining the darn asteroids/moons instead of our life-support shell
Robinson Crusoe on Mars had rocks like that.
As always, great content wonderful Anton! 😊
That’s crazy, oxygen doesn’t like to be oxidized.
It’s always fascinating to me that we know more about space and the universe around us than we do about the oceans on Earth. Thanks again for your great and scientific explanation of this earthbound topic.👍🤙🖖
I saw this. Strange shit
I had a job to do in a steel tube factory in the 80s in Germany. There was a heap of these nodules, used for alloys. They have a distictive odor to them
We NEED to learn to replicate this metal, mineral and reef system. We're wasting our time on everything else! Including mining those.
We can lol, its very easy to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen with a human made battery. As he said, to form naturally it takes millions of years
@@fergalhennessy775yeah but they don't have much of carbon footprint
@@RollingCalf ok but… if we were to mine them or manufacture them ourselves with fossil-fuel powered mining tools or factory equipment it would have a carbon footprint… 🤦🏿♂🤦🏿♂🤦🏿♂
@@fergalhennessy775 nah I'm not talking about mining them. We should just leave them alone and increase their number if that's feasible
@@RollingCalf Yo it's a nice idea.
I wonder about catalysts, as well? (catalysts which assist to naturally facilitate/help formation of these dark-oxygen-producing, rare [timely to form] rocks)
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Ay man and no need to ridicule him. Maybe since (theoretically) making these by hand wouldn't be so hard; the trade-off for an oxygen surplus / wider+more diverse ecosystems... COULD be worth it? (GIVEN WE DON'T MINE THEM)
Also, oldmate wasn't saying mine them AND, I think,
the Earth could ALWAYS benefit from more oxygen (unless the footprint is too much, as you both say)
Think of how levels are down compared to pre-history and prior.
One thing I found interesting was that one of the scientists who discovered this originally dismissed the findings as it didn't fit with current theory. Does this also rule out detecting oxygen on other planets as a sign of alien life?
We should be mining asteroids not killing our planet.
I was reading in the Japan Times about a major initiative to mine those nodules for industrial use.
Tesla needs those batteries more than Sponge Bob does.
Hundreds of millions of years to form Five minutes to get incinerated in a Tesla crash.
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You can recycle
I really wish they’d give Anton a show on NASA and or the science channel.
How any type of mining is still legal, shows the level of failure in our system. The sheer amount of destruction for basically useless items is incomprehendable.
EDIT: Still no functioning reply button, so: "My way of life" is not dependent on mining. I have no use for electric cars. I don't need to be watching or commenting, I could use my time more effectively, but there are individuals who keep destroying this planet for whatever reason, and bcz eliminating them is illegal, I keep opposing them by watching and commenting. I could take the other route, but that would cause all kinds of outcries from you, my fellow consumers. You don't NEED these minerals or the products either. They create the illusion of convenience and development to your very much undeveloped lifestyle. This notion is brought to you with recycled equipment.
"Ocean what? Ecology? Oh, I don't know anything about that: I'm a banker."
Try plowing a field with an antler.
You do realize what it would do to your way of life if mining anything was illegal, right?
I found a bunch of 'fossilized' nodules like these sticking out of the shale in northeaster PA. That shale is ancient seafloor, and there were hundreds of them just in one little outcrop where the layers split and exposed them.
Metallic Oxygen releasing from Inside?
Theres no way this is not happening in thousands of other planets in the universe, opening up the door for life evolving in all kinds of (previously thought of) unlikely places. Exciting!
0:08 what's up, Anton?