"Who Do You Imagine: Poor Americans"
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- This is a short segment from SOC 119, an introductory class on race and culture that is taught by Dr. Sam Richards at Penn State University. Today's video comes from the eleventh class of the Fall 2023 semester. The live streams took place on Tuesday, September 26, 2023. The full lecture live stream is available here:
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Timestamps:
00:00 Preview
01:18 What Comes to Mind?
03:10 Statistics and Observations
05:22 Dear Poor White People
12:22 Problem with Assumptions
13:50 Questions
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If the police saw these 2 nice black kids vs 2 of those poor white people, its not a question, theyd be much more suspicious of the poor people. Its a class thing. Its ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CLASS
Not that easy. It would be both. Racism and class has been intertwined in America. Class reductionism removes nuances.
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@@hopeintruth5119 class reduction is a new favorite buzzword of race hustlers everywhere.
You ever been to jail in a county where it’s all white people? Like only one or two black dudes in the whole jail? Cops arrest whoever is around. It ain’t like the white counties have empty jail cells.
@user-jw7pu1rw4i maybe change your username if you're so proud of trump.
Also trump is a part of the problem. Major parties are the problem. Vote third party. If we all choose to not vote for mainstream parties we may actually stand a chance of changing things
Commenting to boost the reach of this channel. More people need to hear these conversations.
This channel is so great! Making people really think about their beliefs and identities instead of just spouting off the most recent buzz words. And he dismisses no one, only asks them to elaborate and convince him. What a great class/teacher!
Next show place a hundred dollar bill on the floor. Then surround it with a man and woman from every skin color and have them all call the bill to see which one the money runs to.
Growing up the poorest of poor. Mom was a single working in the 70s and came home to fry up a slice of balogna for dinner. One slice of balogna was dinner after nothing for lunch. Rinse repeat every day. One day i was so hungry and asked her for another and she broke down crying because we were out of food.
Oh. Im white. Poverty and poor has NOTHING to do with skin color!!!
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Same here.. I bet it grows quickly, this is solid stuff 👍
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Sadly this channel is old and has not grown big enough yet.
CZcams has a selective algorithm, and this video doesn't fit their socio-cultural parameters.
I love this teacher
3:14 Statistically, there are more whites than black. Whites 2020: 231.9 million vs Blacks 2020 41.6 million. I did the calculations and that means whites: around 7% whites in poverty versus 20% blacks.
It’s about 8.6% whites and 17.1% blacks (according to Federal Safety Net). However, when discussing the impact at the voting polls, it makes sense to see the actual numbers opposed to percentages. The number of individuals voting matter more than demographic percentages. About 1 in 5 black people will be poor, and about 1 in 10 white people will be poor, but about 2 out of 3 people in the USA are white. There are just so many more poor white people than poor black people.
Yt people love using percentage until the actual numbers prove their agenda.
Do you think there is a correct percentage that should be poor? Why does proportionality matter versus absolute numbers?
I definitely don't think of one race. When I hear poor people I actually think of the type of shelter a poor family lives in or a specific, run down section of a neighborhood.
These college kuds live in mainstream media bubble. Thanks to this professor whom shed the light. Maybe those two wont get it, but i am hoping other in the audience will manage to get away from that bubble
The one group always left out would be persons with special needs especially those with IDD (intellectual disabled diagnosis)……this is a common group that is highly ignored and overlooked.
I just started working at penn state and wish I could sit in on one of these classes.
I used to troll people in the 1960s (I am that old and I was eight then) when I would go on a tirade about people on welfare. Invariably, someone and many adults would say I’m attacking minorities. I would smile and ask “why do you think all black people are poor?” I would them that there were more white people on food stamps and welfare than black people.
There’s more white people than black people so of course that’s true. Context is important
@@matthewhansen93 of course it’s true now and then. On the show “All In The Family” about 1970, the feminist cousin to Archie had a riddle; a crash victim is wheeled into surgery. The doctor looks at the victim and says “I can’t operate on this person. He is my son”. Outside, the father waited to hear the news. Why couldn’t the doctor operate? It is not a trick question but in 1970 most people couldn’t answer it correctly. I got it immediately. The doctor was the victims MOTHER. I must be pretty enlightened.
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Her example of systematic racism is being judged by the police differently. She shouid ride with cops and see their experiences. Maybe look up violent crime stats. Stats are taboo to ao many people like her
Bless this man!
Racism to me is all about power and access to resources, Someone calling me names or feeling a certain way about me is more about prejudice.
I don't give a crap what people think about me as long as I get equal access to the resources of the society like eveyone else.
Examples of resources: Jobs, Education, Voting, Bank Loans, Fair House etc. That's what Black folks were marching for, not for White folks to like me or stop calling me names.
You're thinking of systemic racism
As a Latino I have never experienced any discrimination. The worse thing I could think of is a Hispanic woman asked me how difficult it was to get a green card from Puerto Rico. lol!!!!!
Uh… PR is part of the USA. lol
@@albertbecerra it's not about racism ❌
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@@leonkennedy9862 yeah I know. But the op comment is describing systemic racism.
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Wonderful videos, thank you
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Here’s an example to consider. My income has declined over the past several years and finding a good job is challenging because I am older now and employers know the cost of my monthly health insurance will be thousands of dollars more per month. But here the thing- while income is going down, my taxes, food, heating, house repair costs have increased at an inflationary rate. And getting something simple like over the counter pain and cold medication is getting increasingly expensive. What’s the point? That creating discord so we turn on each other is the elitist game to keep the focus off their insane greed and outrageous wealth and power. We need to turn the focus clearly on big business and corrupt politicians sell the American people to the highest bidder.
Mr Professor, i don't picture you when i think of the average US citizen
It's not about "Class" or "Racism". I was raised in a white upper middle class family... Since leaving our parents home, my oldest brother has lived in poverty, going from paycheck to paycheck and digging in dumpsters behind the grocery stores to feed himself and his family... He's intelligent he attended a great university for a couple of years. It is sad to see, but he makes decisions that will keep him in poverty forever... He is checked out by the police and arrested occasionally... Responsibility doesn't mean anything to him unless it is being directed to someone else...
I'd like to see an overly of a heat map showing poverty and ethnicity. some of the most impoverished parts of the US are in the south and there is also more black and Hispanic people in the south. I wonder if poverty is more based on location.
I actually did a little internet research on this and poor whites ‘tend’ to live in the South and in the Appalachian mountain region. Predominantly rural areas or small towns and spread out. Poor black people ‘tend’ to live in urban areas and concentrated. The fact that poor blacks live in a concentrated area means that the poverty infiltrates more aspects of their lives. (Higher crime rates, gangs, drugs, failing schools, no jobs, etc, etc) Both poor groups are in a terrible situation, but the problems of poor blacks are front and center as it impacts whole cities and is on the news daily.
poverty is the biggest issue facing poor people. and the government only expands the scale of poverty when it grows in economic sectors.
But curiously I'd think the reverse question, which are the numbers of rich people...?
Are those numbers a reflection of percentages of the population accordingly to race?
Does anybody else think of the dad on get out?
Does anybody remember the Tennessee Valley Project.
What is that?
Growing up there were and there still are those poverty ads that obly focus on African countries then the tv programs present Europeans as wealthy while other not showing or hardly showing "black" wealth I think thats why things like "shopping while black" happens, the assumption poor people will steal
It's pretty remarkable how wrong so many people are.
"It's cool to see a stat like that." By "cool," please tell me you mean fascinating and not desirable because that would be really effed up.
A big reason that Trump won 2016 was because he got the rural, working-class vote which happens to be primarily white while Crooked Hillary was playing identity politics by sowing racial division.
Just shows profiling goes both ways, just called something different by the individual.
Salient discussion, I am not sure this instructor is long for his position.
He has been doing this for a few years.
Why would you think that? As in, what's informing this concern?
He has 800+ students a semester and has been teaching for 30 years.
@@caffeinezombies the early lectures of jordan peterson come to mind. see where he ended up eventually. i suspect this professor will be asked/forced to pander to some kind of minority group in some way (think thw pronoun thing with peterson) where he will not and get screwed over for it. Or he will give in as he feel sits not a hill he wants to die on but then loose the joy in teaching this class and after a few more semesters just stop doing it. h would not be teh first and certainly not the last.
@Megacheez Jordan Peterson didn't really start saying anything of note until late in his career. Then pushed back and eventually decided the private world would make him more money with less headache. This professor has been doing this very thing for decades, I am positive he gets complaints every year, if not more frequently, but the university sides with him, he keeps moving along and keeps providing. But he's doing something Peterson never did, opens a dialog to learn.
That'd be my concern with the comparison. Listen to how this professor speaks- layman terms, down to earth, walking people through sociological understanding. Listen to JP for a moment and you realize he uses a lot of big vague words more often than educating, and sometimes more rarely he just calls someone wrong, then goes off into those same verbal gymnastics. That isn't to say he doesn't deserve a platform but it's a far cry from this class's platform in terms of how educational it is. Which is also probably why it's less popular.
Where I’m from the majority of poor are white and Hispanic.
Should teach these kids to NOT be so hyper sensitive
There's something wrong with the professor's rhetoric here. He's discussing the overall quantities of individuals of each so-called 'race' living in poverty without taking into account the distribution of said 'races' in the US population. I did the simple math using the numbers presented and the most recent data from the US Census Bureau: 6.2% of whites live in poverty, compared to 18.4% for blacks. That means there is a threefold chance of being impoverished if you are black.
This is a complex matter, and an individual's perception is only a symptom or reflection of their geographical, social, and economic biases. I'm commenting on this as an outsider, a mere French-Canadian observer.
But this video isn't discussing how likely it is for any person to be poor. It is discussing the experiences of people that are poor. The fact that black people are on average more likely to be poor has no impact on the fact that there are a lot of poor white people, or what their experiences are as poor people.
Sens like no one of the black students of PenState never expirience any kind of racism
This is a clear demonstration of victim mentality.
From the lecturer as well!
While I agree that yes there may be more white people that are living in poverty I also think it's important to take into consideration how big or small the populations are. I think, for example, that the population of the US that is black is like 20% (ish). So to see their number living in poverty is probably a very large portion of the population. I hope I'm making sense. Like if white people have 70% of the population and have 15 mil and black people have 20% of the population, which is less than a third of the population of white people, but still have 8 mil in poverty, it's a much bigger portion of their people. Just something to think about. Please keep in mind that I am aware that my examples of the populations are not completely correct. I just didn't look it up for the exact percentages.
it's not about racism ❌
i think it's about
handsome privilege
dad money privilege
luck privilege
p size privilege
height privilege
high IQ brain 🧠 privilege
merit earn privilege list
masculine .
tallent.
discipline.
good conversation skill.
Charismatic .
good body language..
good facial expression.
style.
it's not about white and black.
US Census date from 2020 (less than 50% poverty level)
Race White 4.9%
Black 10.7%
American Indian 10.5%
Asian 5.1%
Hispanic 7.6%
The professor should know the difference between absolute numbers of people and percent of that population.
The numbers he showed were more clear, IMO. Because when we see percentage it looks like there isn't a lot of white poor people. But this isn't the reality.
Do you think there is a correct percentage that should be poor? Why does proportionality matter versus absolute numbers?
@@samuelboucher1454 I think the same
He should not cater to there snow flake feelings he should set them straight
Of course there will be more white people in poverty than black. The white population in the US is roughly 4x that of the black populationg. However, if you compare the stats provided in the video with 2020 census data it needs to noted that if you are black you are more than twice as likely to be poor.
If the black poverty rate was equal to that of white then there would only be 3.7M black people in poverty.
The stats in the video.
White people in poverty = 15.9M
Black people in poverty = 8.4M
Census 2020 Stats
White population = 204.3M
Black population = 46.9M
Rate per 1000
White poverty rate = 78 people living in poverty per 1000 white people
Back poverty rate = 179 people living in poverty per 1000 black people
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Unless you show the ratios of white people in poverty v. not and black people in poverty v. not, and those totals you show, the numbers are misleading. This is not to argue that racism is the reason for disparity. I don't think there is data that can effectively show that. When you get into criminality, we have much better numbers. Look up the Baldus study, for example.
Do you think there is a correct percentage that should be poor? Why does proportionality matter versus absolute numbers?
Disingenuous video. Period. Adjust for population and Black Americans make up nearly 20% of those in poverty while White Americans make up slight higher than 8%.
The “professor” constantly puts words in the students mouth that misconstrue what the student originally said. Whether a good point or bad, this is a sham for university level teaching. This is manipulative and relies heavily on appeals to emotion and assertions without backing. I can’t believe higher education has devolved into this. MLK must be rolling in his grave. This is not education, it’s indoctrination of the worst kind. One may argue this clip is too short to gather context from, but it’s hard to imagine a relevant context under which this is in any way helping students to think critically and have to tools to succeed in life. There’s no accepted premise or adherence to terms. This is an insight into why society is failing. The “professor” is encouraging the use of gross cliches and base generalisations. It pushes identity politics over individual responsibility. This guy is deeply, deeply shameful in his behaviour and should not be anywhere near any classroom. How terribly sad.
Not only that, but the 'professor' is being disingenuous with the data. Black Americans disproportionately make up those under poverty than other races. Black Americans make up nearly 20% of those in poverty and Whites make up slightly over 8%. This is adjusted, as it should be, based on population size.
@@vanbatim5906 "Black Americans make up nearly 20% of those in poverty and Whites make up slightly over 8%".
No, nearly 20% of black people are in poverty and nearly 8% of white people are in poverty. This distinction is very important. Yes, you're more likely to be poor when you are black in the USA. No this does no invalidate the fact that there are more poor white people than poor black people in the USA.
This is not being disingenuous.
Your statement is disingenuous however. According to the sentence I quoted from you, 28% of those in poverty are either black or white. So that leaves 72% of people in poverty to be neither black nor white? That's not an accurate representation of the stats at all.
@TijmenZwaan not disingenuous on purpose, but you are correct. The professor however knows exactly what he is doing.
The way he says the word racism.
Its curious to say the least.
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