TJ Talking: Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 2020 | Tire Rack
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- čas přidán 11. 10. 2020
- On this episode of TJ Talking, Tire Rack information and testing manager, TJ Campbell, and Michelin product manager, Steve Calder, discuss the unique design, performance goals and test results of the new Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4.
Check out the Pilot Sport All Season 4: bit.ly/3dlc36a - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I have about 15,000 miles left on my A/S3+ tires. Can’t wait to try out these! Yes I’m a tire nerd.
We can certainly relate to that! We are excited for you to try them as well. You'll have to let us know what you think when get the chance to try them out.
Costco just informed me that my 4 tires have just arrive at the their tire centre, so just watching videos to see if I made the right purchase. It's always interesting to see knowledgeable people talking about their product.
Agree 100%, and I got these on April 15, 2024 - 255/40 R18 99Y XL BSW for my Lexus ES300h. Great all-around tires and are the best Michelins I have ever owned and I have bought Michelins for decades.
I love these types of videos. Please do these videos for all types of tires. Personally im interested in the extreme performance summer to streetable track tires. Great information
Just placed order on these tires and scheduled for installation this weekend, can’t wait.
I just got these in 235/35R19 installed on my OEM set of wheels and will be trying them when spring breaks.
Right now I'm still running my winter set of Xi3 235/40R18.
The AS3+ is my all-time favorite, it was the best AS tire I've ever had in dry and surprisingly great in snow, never letting me down (note: I do have a couple of quattro cars). If the 4 is even slightly better, I'm sold.
IMO: they messed with success and the real PS AS 4 is only available for the Corvette....
it is, I had the as/3 and the as/4 is just the same on steroids.
I love my AS3+ tires. I've run Pilot Super Sports and Pilot AS4s and find the AS3's to be the most livable, long lasting tire for day to day driving. Many great memories in the Smoky Mountains with those tires. Look forward to the AS4's.
We're so happy to hear these tires have hit the mark for you!
Ordered a set from you guys this morning for my Merc. GLS63AMG. I live in Utah, so I’m excited to experience the duality that these tires potentially offer. These tires could be the perfect “have your cake and eat too” solution.
I bought these instead of the ps4 because I'm moving to pa in a few weeks. They are superb in the wet/dry. Cannot wait to try them in winter after hearing this
Just purchased a set of the Pilot Sport A/S 4's for my 1999 911 which previously had the A/S 3+ the past 6 years. I live in the Boston area and drive all year round except when there is snow on the roads. I can't really notice any difference between the 3+ and the 4 but I do feel more peace of mind having new tires after learning about the general 6 year tire replacement recommendation rule
This was executed incredibly well! Thank you!
Mary, we are so glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for your comment.
For people who live in the USA around route 40 and South and on the West coast the old PS AS 3+ was a better choice because it is more fun tire to drive--like a BMW. The AS 4 because of the sipes for snow is indeed more numb feeling with steering force delay and less response--this seems to be a common trend in the Michelin tires lately and--as a driving enthusiast--I disagree with this Toyotaization of the driving experience. I am unfortunately going to look elsewhere for more interesting performance. I think Michelin needed to create A NEW TIRE that was between the AS 3+ and the Crossclimate for those who wanted a little more snow performance. Sounds like Michelin did exactly what the "real" normal PS AS 4 should have been for the custom Corvette PS AS 4 tire; THIS is the TIRE I wanted for my BMW. Next time listen to the engineers who kept telling you that these are Pilot Sport (steering response and cornering prioritization) tires; not AS Grand Touring tires!! I can hear you say well then buy the PS 4 (pretty numb too) or PS 4S. 1) The PS 4 and 4S do not cover the size needed for many applications and 2) even more crucially I want a tire that can operate a lot under 50f, is acceptable in occasional snow, and is great in the wet all around (not just braking!), BUT has the performance that is like a max performance tire--that is the niche where the AS 3+ excelled--the steering response and cornering of a normal PS tire. The goals you had for this tire SHOULD have gone into the new Primacy type tire! You could have named it the Pilot Sport Primacy All Season... The Corvette team would never have tolerated the standard PS AS 4 on the Corvette. You messed with success and all you have is the label but the real PS AS is dead--long live the PS AS. Tire Rack knows Michelin really messed too much with success on this one for winter performance that only 50% of the population can really utilize; they will never say it though..... Next time if you are surveying soccer moms about what new feature they want and trying to give them the impossible please do not alter an existing tire as successful as the AS3+. I want a performance European tire not a lowest common denominator American influenced tire. For the record I own the PS AS 4 tires and have put over a thousand miles on them aleady. " The Ultra High Performance All-Season Pilot Sport All Season 4 was a small step behind on the road, beginning with a ride that was almost as firm as the Pilot Sport 4S but didn't feel as composed or refined in the way it handled bumps. The tire created multiple, moderately distinctive tones over most surfaces, becoming the most perceptible as the tread interacted with rough roads or concrete. The steering was light and quick to respond to inputs. While it was easy to dial in the desired response from the vehicle, our drivers didn't feel the direct connection to the tire they hope for from a performance-focused product." I completely agree.
Well said, some of us own BMW convertibles and have no interest in snow driving.
BMWs are trash driven by dbags.
Shopping on tire rack for tires for my 2011 335 msport, looking forward to how the car feels with a fresh set of these tires! I’ve tried continental dws but not that impressed.
The thing is the all seasons aren’t meant to be a snow tire but at least keep you safe if caught in bad weather - anyone who has summer tires should sign a disclaimer because if your caught in adverse weather with summer tires your on skates- my bmw is awd and I was terrified when I was in snow first year I had it with factory run flat summers tires
The perfect all weather should lean towards performance feel
And handling with some capability for snow ❄️ obvious it’s a compromise balance
Great interview guys, thank you.
Thank you. We are happy to hear you enjoyed it!
I have the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 on my 2019 corolla se and I personally love them in the wet they handle very well almost as good as in the dry in the snow there good meaning in light snow they have good traction in deep snow there just okay but overall I will definably be buying them again they handle very well very impressive compared to the firestone FR 780 the car came with its a night and day difference 👍
*Excellent choice. OE F'stone FR 780 and OE B'stones are "$10 dollar" tires in that TMM pays about that much for them in million-unit quantities. Cheers!*
Getting these installed on my 2016 BMW 340 xdrive tomorrow...can’t wait🤘🏾
The Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 are excellent tires! You'll have to let us know what you think.
@@tirerack will do, as soon as i get some more miles on them lol
Sounds like the AS4 evolved to sacrifice a smidge with all out dry handling, but excel in the wet and snow conditions.
More than a "smidge".
Just put a set of all season 4 on a bmw 550i they handle well and are very quiet....very happy 😊
I just put these on my 2017 Civic Si. Feels close to a summer tire.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Hi, did someone ever test the impact of the rotation mass of a heavy tire on the AWD system of one and the same vehicle? While a better thread pattern may allow better traction, it may at the same time slow down the reaction time of the AWD and make it more sluggish...? Any thoughts?
He tire rack what do you think would give me better dry grip overall a uhp dunlop direzza dz102 235 width vs this Micheline in 275 width for a mustang gt 2020. Thanks
Get them ordered for my Scat. Installing this week. Can't wait.
Great tires. You'll have to let us know what you think!
@@tirerack I will. Actually, just got off the phone. They showed up early. Friday install.
Have been a Michelin man all my life but please make these in 255/45/20 haha. The 55 series you offer is to tall for my liking.
I have a rwd car moving to Colorado these would work in snow? Or dedicated tire?
Coming off Continental DWS-06 on my Civic Type R. Can not wait to try these! Great video btw.
Did you not like the DWS-06?
@Lifebeam87 i have them and like them fine, except I seem to get a lot of sidewall bubbles with them (from bumps/potholes)
Do they have anything like Pirelli’s foam inserts for Tesla ? I’m considering these for my Tesla Y Performance
how does the pilot a/s 4 compare to the crossclimate 2 for wet, and dry?
At approx. 19:00 wet/snow , you expanded on Wet, but seemed to skim over any comments on light Snow? Yes, the wet results were over-delivered, but what about the snow results?
I’ve run nothing but Michelin on my Class 8 equipment, pilot’s on 954RR. My Tesla Performance 3 Stealth (Ghost) has Continental’s on it OEM. They’re “ok”, but... sorry, it’s no Pilot Sport. Will be ordering 4 from the rack soon 😁.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! We look forward to working with you soon.
I am torn between these and the Michelin Crossclimate 2. I drive a Honda Civic Si coupe. So it's not a muscle car, but I want high performance tires (I do have fun in it and they look cool). I commute round trip ~70 miles a day in Nashville, TN. So tread wear is important for value, and snow traction is a concern, but not I high priority. I just want to be able to get around in the few times we have snow/ice. Anyone have any input? Thanks!
I would go for the these a/s 4's over the cc2's given what you said.
I have a 2002 Jaguar XK8. Replacing Continentals. I store the car all winter. Snow performance is not a concern. Which do you recommend for touring driving--the Pilot Sport AS 4 or the Pilot Sport 3+?
Go with the 4s.
TJ, can you twist Steve Calder arm a little to see if they release this on 305/30/20 NON-RUN FLAT please. I don't know why they keep ignoring the Camaro 1LE and ZL1 population... all-season tire availability for this car is almost non-existent (so far the best I have found is the Potenza RE980 A/S, and they don't have the right front tire size of 285/30/20 and I have to use 295/30/20. Now Michelin releases this on 285/30/20 but the 305/30/20 comes in ZP run-flat.
Just bought a set for my edge st to replace the oem pirelli pzero summer tires. Looking forward testing them out this winter.
Good choice! We hope you like them.
How was the road noise? I heard the pzeros are a bit noisy
@@xsaver23 i get road noise @ about 70 mph with the pilot sport. the pzero's were quieter, but wet performance is better on the pilot sports.
I bought these tires and they are amazing but i have 1 "issue" ... i am not sure if it is bc they are new and need to break in but i hear like a sizzle or hissing sound .. almost sounds like sticking to the ground .. not sure if anyone else is but other than that absolutely amazing tires
I just got mine. I’m not sure about the noise, but it picks up small rocks like a glue, or like a track tire.
I know performance tires have a sticky outer layer, to impress new owners and reviewers, which wears off quickly. I assume it is because of that.
Did it change it for you later?
Tire rack ... wich tire should I buy I have a Honda accord V6 2017 sedan .... michelin pilot sport A/S 4 or continental 06 plus
Thank you for reaching out! Both are excellent choices, but what you are looking for in a tire (wet traction, dry traction, comfortable ride, etc.)?
Wish that I could get a 255 40 20 size now, my new ct6 v needs this tire, Michelin says they aren’t yet built . The summer only Goodyear’s ae smoked gum balls ! Help !11
How can one get a message and question to Steve or you about the pilot ALL SEASON FOUR tread pattern AND HOW IT IS INSTALLED ON THE TIRE
Are these tires considered directional tires? Can these be cross rotated from the front to rear?
These are non directional tires and can be rotated however you like
What is the comfort level on Michelin pilot sport A/S 4 ???
Great question. The Pilot Sport All Season 4 ride was noticeably stiffer, though still acceptable for the category, and it seemed to transmit imperfections that were barely noticed when driving the other tires. Sound quality also drew some comments from our testers. Even though the Michelin wasn't a loud tire, it created multiple, distinct tones that stood out in this group. We expect consumers will enjoy the steering feel of the Pilot Sport All Season 4, as it should lend a sporty demeanor to the vehicle. It felt confident on-center and responded immediately and intuitively to the driver's inputs. Take a look at our full test report for more information:bit.ly/3i6VVqQ
Cross climate 2 or these? 08 G35x, Chicago. Currently have old pilot sport all seasons, thinking about those new climate 2s. What do you recommend?
Same question here. I am in Florida. So extremely hot roads most of the year. Wet roads. Zero Snow. 😂. Driving a Toyota Camry.
@@marcelosantana9311 CrossClimate is not necessary unless there is snow..
@@4rzaluz They have such high ratings for dry and wet that I had to try. They finally release the size I needed. So far, very comfortable, great handling on dry road, had a few chances to test on wet but not during a storm (Yes, we get a lot here in Florida). Price below $800 out of the door at Costco with sport size tires. Couldn't get another tire with such great review at the same price. The snow is a plus if I decide to drive out of the state.
@@marcelosantana9311 Thats nice just be aware of higher wear than usual due to the hot enviroment.
@@4rzaluz yes, that is always a concern. Let’s see how long they last.
Anyone here running this tire on a 2019 Audi RS 3? Replaced the DWS 06 Continental's with Michelin AS3+ (both are 18" tires) and the AS3+ is certainly superior supporting our back country road runs. How much better would the AS4 be under such use?
How’s the noise between DawS 06 and AS3+ ?
@@YangParsifalLin The noise level appears to be less with the AS3+, but our roads in the western part of VA about 55 miles west of Washington DC are very poor having not been maintained properly for years, compared to 15-20 years ago. The roads in W VA are actually better. I am retired and we run about 300 miles a week on country back roads in W VA, weather permitting. But now with colder weather setting in our back road runs will be ending soon. We've been running these roads since 1985 in our BMW and Golf R and have racked-up about 97k miles doing such. But I must admit the Audi RS 3 has been the superior performer thus far... in spite of the many tire and suspension 'options' I tried on our BMW E28's over that period.
4-10% better than the as3
Performance is ok but the feel is more numb....
just order this tiers to replace my stock continental sport plus run flats on my bmw .
I have as3+ZP tires on my like them way more than pilot super sport ZP that came with my 2016 Z06. Why can't I get them anymore! These are the tires that should have come on this car as original equipment!
Yep.....
It's too bad that the compound used for the C8 version is not available in other sizes for other vehicles. I am looking for an all season for my 981 Porsche so I don't have to continue swapping summer and winter tires, but I no longer use it as a daily driver, and don't need snow performance. I just want the best dry performance I can get that can withstand cold temperatures. The C8 version of this tire sounds great, but won't fit my car. There must be others with various other vehicles with the same needs.
It's not?
@Gen Win ... The Pilot Sport A/S 3+ is what I use as a Fall season tire with my 993 Porsche 911; 205/50/17 & 255/45/17 respectively. . The A/S 3+ is just the ticket for colder Fall weather mountain excursions. . The summer Michelin PS2 is the tire of choice, however under 50F temps and the PS2 is rock hard.. . Additionally, we have had a good experience with the A/S 3+ on other family cars; GTI, Audi S3, and Subi Outback XT.
What's a good running psi for a 4300 lbs vehicle on the as4's?
Go by your vehicles user manual. The tire pressure rating can be looked up on google and is sometimes in the gas lid
These things are smooth as glass. I'll never buy another brand again!
We're so happy to hear these tires have hit the mark for you! Thank you for sharing with the community.
Terrible shame the 3+ is unavailable. This video says all I needed to hear 8 mins and 45 secs in. The new 4s can’t hold a candle to the 3+ in dry handling. Nowhere to turn to for UHP tires!
buy the PS 4 AS because there's nothing else out there?
What a word salad from the Michelin guy. What’s with the obsession with the snow performance . After watching this video I’m going to cancel my order .
Translation - I don’t need the A/S 4 on my BMW 328i convertible, if I never drive it in Snow ❄️. I’ll stick with the A/S 3+ for now.
We are happy to hear you enjoy the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season A/S 3+.
How would these be on a 700HP 2014 Shelby gt 500 in a 3 season area like North Carolina?