The Valkyrie must perform several in-atmosphere hydrogen collection skimming flights in order to refuel before a return to orbit. My first instinct was to say that would make a single-stage moon mission impossible due to the moon's lack of substantial atmosphere, however the relatively low gravity and resulting escape velocity might actually mean it could return to earth LEO- (Whether enough fuel remains to perform a re-entry burn is a different story) Earth's gravity is greater than Pandora's however, so the Moon's ΔV savings might wind up being a wash, as the Valkyrie may consume more fuel on Earth escape. I am tempted to bust out MS Excel and find out. Also, a minor side note.. the RDA is an NGO, making this Valkyrie a civilian variant.
@@MIL-STD from what i understand of the lore the Valkyrie's get left behind and converted in to gas harvesters that collect gas form the gas giant to fuel the venture star. if they can do that then they are more then capable of going to the moon and back.
@@MIL-STD ".....Also, a minor side note.. the RDA is an NGO, making this Valkyrie a civilian variant....." The Resources Development Administration is so big, wealthy, and powerful, though, that becomes a moot point. It seems to be able to wag the dog on any Earth government, and perhaps even all of them at once. It is, essentially, the entire 0.001%. It may allow governments to still exist only to do those jobs that are necessary but won't turn a sufficient profit.
We also need to consider things like Space Elevators or Sky Hooks back on Earth, which would make reaching orbit easier, with a platform in LEO where ships like the venture star are docked/built and the Valkyrie’s make trips to and from that platform.
I doubt the ship would be pressurized to 1atm instead of ambient pressure, if it were the atmosphere would flow in at the speed of sound and the ripples wouldn't be visible for that long. I think it's just the different gas composition producing that effect, or maybe it's just unrealistic and put in to highlight that the air wasn't breathable outside.
@@rusher2937 Inner/outer pressures are essentially equal but the densities are quite different owing to their compositions. Temperature differences may also be a factor, but there's little additional evidence for that. Still, some great attention to detail for something that most viewers will never notice.
@@mrrandom1265 Sure it does. I'm assuming that's where the enormous, hot ass engines that would kill the entire crew are at. Or something like that. Just like Star Trek, you want those far away as possible. Exactly like you'd expect in reality. And how do you know there's not a way back there? You could always take a shuttle or EVA anyways.
@@mrrandom1265 sir the back is behind a solar shield that can collect solar energy on the side facing the star and is also coated in reflectance in the inside structure. To focus the radiation for fuckin nuclear engines away from the crew. No shit their isn't a way back there. Let the robots handle the dna scramble
There’s an entire lore committed to the Venture Star. “It also cannot support everyone being awake at once except when they are departing or arriving on the ship. So if the hibernation system fails before the ship arrives then it causes a problem. In this case the passengers will be euthanized by the computer instead of woken up. Sounds harsh but it is better than suffocating. “
Holy shit that's hardcore, hidden lore being revealed over a decade later!! It would make sense in a real life scenario tbh, a bit extreme but it's understandable.
@@ns7353 For 2009 it was amazing, I still feel the chills and my spine tingling watching the Valkyrie do an atmospheric entry and deceleration from the ISS Venture Star. All media has it's own charm in the end, each to their own. :)
Production Designer: But sir, the ship would be flying backwards. James Cameron: Of course it would. That's what it would do while decelerating. /facepalm
@@simonroh4958 I know of two ways to turn a ship. They can use small thrusters pointing sideways near the ship's ends, or a gyroscope near the ship's center. ...Or both.
That's one thing the second movie couldn't re-capture. That feeling of embarking a strange new world. The cloudy weather, the mysterious forest, the ominous music - man I just love this. (Gotta say though, on a storytelling level, it makes sense that the sequel gives off a different vibe, as Jake is now fully Na'vi, so it's not a strange world to him anymore).
If you read the Avatar Dictionary Book we know that Bridgehead City is ever expanding to house a population of 2M. Based on some deep dives of Avatar Redditors the humans are building a mega Space Bridge on Bridgehead. Bridgehead seems to be just the head of a whole body politic / jurisdiction. It makes sense that to bring in that many people millions you will need pretty much a Space Airport ie Space Bridge to transport them. So just imagine the scene, it’ll be Avatar 2009 opening scene to another level, we will see millions of humans coming to Pandora for the first time.
@@jaybanks3463 ".....the humans are building a mega Space Bridge on Bridgehead....." Do you mean a Space Elevator? With tech like that, RDI could certainly build one. Although building one on Earth, and building one on Pandora - which is NOT an industrialized world, where they're still only starting to figure out the local conditions, and where all the natives hate them - are not at all the same thing. But the thought of complete conquest and mass settlement is horrifying - huge private estates for the RDI execs, rat warrens of slave workers, and the few surviving Navi forced onto reservations. And you just know that they're trying to figure out what the local version of rotgut whiskey might be.
Just now understood the symbolism: Valkyrie (the space shuttle) carries the fallen warrior (Jake who is crippled) to Valhalla (Pandora) to be reborn as a mighty warrior again (the avatar program).
I love how it all looks real. I don't mean just the SFX and everything, but the way they shuttle lands it really looks like that's how it would be. In all of Cameron's films, the machines look functional with proper physics/interaction with the environment. Those four thrusters appear to be exactly what would be needed to power such a shuttle craft to make orbital back-and-forths.
I think the time when that all gets properly explored will be in a prequel one day. Avatar is going to become a massive multifaceted IP like Star Wars: there the main sequence of films from episode 1 to 9, but there's also streaming series and standalone films that focus on certain characters and events. Avatar is going to get MASSIVE in the next 50 years.
The starships dropping directly on to the planet was very cool, but also what ruined the immersion for me. I mean, think about it - instead of struggling to locate the location of the rebel base they could have just landed one of the ships there and obliterated everything in the area. Why even bother with the counterinsurgency nonsense? The whole idea that the Navi could provide any notable opposition is just nonsensical. The humans display an ability to glass the entire planet with merely their means of travelling there, let alone any attempt to use dedicated strategic weapons. There must be an almost totally dominant conservationist faction on Earth that set up extremely restrictive rules for anyone allowed to travel to Pandora, otherwise any native obstacles wouldn't even be speedbumps. And then Avatar 2 is about how they need to hunt local fauna to harvest biological compounds? They can grow entire native lifeforms out of nothing but can't just synthesize the chemical the space whales produce? Absurd...
@@mylesleggette7520 Yes, one of my BIGGEST annoyances with the whole concept. Travel through time and space, but can't simply extract what they need without killing everything? Ah well, it's called fiction for a reason.
@@mylesleggette7520 Even more irritating is that it seems they desperately made up the concept the the ambrosia goo because there was little other reason to hunt the whales. The stakes just seem underwhelming when they try to make the whale hunt as significant as something like the attack on the home tree in the first film.
The original script for Avatar 2 suppose to be a space fight between the Navi and Humans/RDA, but James Cameron scrapped it as it is too much. It was instead end up as a comic _Avatar: The High Ground_ as a prequel to Avatar 2.
@@randomly_random_0I could see that still happening near the end of the series, Maybe in Avatar 4 or 5, one of the producers confirmed Avatar 5 will visit earth.
Something I loved about the sequel is how they updated the rocket spaceflight science, see in this the rockets kind of drift towards the planets without any thrusters and just stay. Based on modern physics, a rocket that flies away from one planet and towards another, will have to flip itself halfway, to account for the gravity of each planet and the fact that momentum isnt lost in space. The rocket basically has to spend the first half of its journey accelerating and the second half decelerating. That's why at the start of Way of water, the rockets look like stars (the thrusters are aimed at pandora), this is also shown in modern sci fi shows like The Expanse.
@@CarlMadsen Same! Gotta get the books, it was really saddening when the show got cancelled, twice. :( It was really good though, can rewatch over and over.
Apparently, according to the lore of the ship, it was decelerating for about six months, hence why it’s radiator panels are still glowing. Because hot things don’t cool down very well in space. Something that I’m starting to wish we saw more of in sci-fi.
@@themightyalpaca313 this! Even though space is a freezing void the heat dissipates so slowly due to a kind of Leidenfrost effect would be my best guess.
@@Defirence No Leidenfrost effect, although similar in a way. The vacuum of space provides no means for conduction or convection of heat, so heat is discharged through black-body thermal radiation alone. This makes the process of heat rejection incredibly slow and dependent on massive radiator surfaces to achieve usable performance.
2:00 u can see the Sentry gun that was also in the scene in Avatar 2 where Quaritch squad arrive to a human city in the desert, next to the Air Control tower
amazing how James built this enitre wourld up with amazing technology both in real life and fictional just to say 'HUMANS BAD LOL". 20 + deleted scenes that made a much more compelling morally grey story DILIBERATLY DELETED just to dumn down the nerrative.
To be fair, this is basically the same story that has played out across human history any time a technologically advanced civilization has met a less advanced society. Turns out, people are kinda jerks if we can get away with it.
humanity can travel through light years, invented the AMP suits and space shuttles to mine an alien planet, but still couldn't fix the main character legs
In a deleted scene Jake said that they had the ability to fix his legs but he couldn't afford to pay for it. Also in the movie Quaritch says that he'd put in a personal word to get Jake's legs fixed after his mission was over.
He looks like he's in his 40s, but he goes back into deep freeze every time his ship turns around. The last couple months of his life have been forty years of interstellar transits, with a little bit of yelling at both ends.
Apparently the person saying the line, "Valkyrie One Six, copy OMS master arm on. Valkyrie One Six you are cleared for deorbit burn at two two four niner," is none other than James Cameron.
the sad part is we could have had something like the Valkyrie IRL with the next generation space shuttle that was the first to be called the Venture Star it was going to be a Single Stage to Orbit craft but it was cancelled by then vice president Dick Chenney
@@danyleon4870 Yeah the real venture star would have been a breakthrough for many unproven technologies, unfortunately now nasa doesn't do stuff like that anymore and private companies wont employ those technologies because they are too risky and not profitable
I think it’s for weight saving purpose rather than not being or have a motorized wheelchair. Reminding you that shipping stuffs to Pandora is extremely expensive, a lightweight and foldable wheelchair would cost much less to ship in compared to a bulky motorized wheelchair.
Hell, they have the medical technology to basically fix Jake's legs back, he just doesn't have the money for it. It does kinda reinforce the movie's critique about megacorporation capitalism and greed, and how it deprives people of necessities and help. There is a scene in the extended editions of Avatar showing the Blade Runner-esque setting of Earth and Jake being a poor washed-up and forgotten vet.
Also, Jake seems like the kinda guy who doesn't like being assisted (out of pride and dignity). Like the scene where he's about to be plugged into his Avatar for the first time, he tells Grace not to help him put his legs in and that he could do it himself. A motorized wheelchair probably just makes him feel even "lesser" of a person.
Given the mass limits on the mothership, and how they were on regular runs: Why does the shuttle come with the Venture Star? It would save a lot of weight to just leave a couple shuttles on Pandora. They come up to meet the ship. Another set of shuttles on Earth for the other end.
A real good point! Maybe there's a safety benefit to bringing them along if in some way they can act as a lifeboat, much like the Soyuz modules do on the ISS. Just theorizing though; I doubt that was a consideration when the artists were making this scene.
@@ianhunt4147 It was a significant plot point in the first movie that they had to use one of their only two shuttles as an improvised bomber. When I first saw the movie, I took the presence of the shuttles as a sign that the ship's cargo capacity was so high that the shuttles were negligible. Or that it regularly explored other planets. But I recently saw a remark that the cargo was supposed to be only 350-ish tons. And it never went *anywhere* else.
@@digitalman01010 Possibly. But the Venture Star never went anywhere that a lifeboat would be relevant except for Earth and Pandora. If something went wrong in interstellar space, a shuttle just means you last a few more hours. There was no chance of calling for a rescue; the best one could do was radio earth to send another ship to salvage your own after a couple years.
IIRC, they repurpose the shuttles into mining ships that skim the surface of the nearby gas giant for fuel for the ISV's engines. Its possible the shuttles themselves can be used as backup fuel tanks.
@0:16 when I watched this the first time as a kid 14 years ago, I thought Pandora was somehow invisible to humans and they needed a special type of glass to see it. Now I realize its actually just a mirror 😅
Or a space elevator. If they were to build one 89,000 miles above Earth, it would be enough to send craft to Jupiter and then use gravity assist to leave the solar system.
Well, this movie it's basically taking more from a realistic perspective on a future tech. So a Gundam like a mecha it's unlikely will be made as a standard military in the future bro.
it's all manufactured on pandora, it's said that hell's gate existed for something like 30 years so likely the equipment needed to build the machines was delivered, perhaps even the equipment to build the equipment to build the machines, then so on and so forth
I'm curious how dying the earth is. I mean they can still make such a huge tech in dying planet. After watching the sequel humans have left Pandora for 10+ years and that is a long time, and how can human still making spaceships without having supply unobtanium to keep earth alive?
Unobtanium they said was largely used for the development of intercontinental maglev trains, but I assume they also used it in manufacturing batteries, transmission wires, microchips, all kinds of electronics. And it was used to greatly increase the efficiency of interstellar travel. I assume the RDA had an emergency stockpile that could allow them to continue operations for years until they could reestablish their sourcing.
@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Good point. I bet they have mine a massive amount of unobtanium for past 30 years. I wonder how unobtanium make the earth alive? do they use it for earth soil?
"Dying planet" is a meaningless term, it's meant for theme more than to actual describe conditions on Earth. Unless it's falling into a star or gas giant or something a planet cannot "die." Now the Earth's ecosystem, on the other hand... that could have collapsed. But since their technology is clearly advanced enough to create things like the Avatars, I don't see how they would be unable to repair it...
Except that the placement of those 4 thrusters don't make sense. They're placed way too rearward in the wing to make the Valkyrie hover landing possible. There's nothing to provide lift in the forward fuselage area. The F-35B has a lift fan/thruster right behind of the cockpit to balance the CG so it can vertically take off and land.
It kinda looks odd, but the orbital maneuvering engines in the back are most likely verry heavy. The center of gravity has to be behind the front set of thrusters for this vtol design to work. For Stability it is better to have the center of gravity in the middle of the 2 sets of thrusters. But as a reminder, fighter jets are unstable by design to add maneuverabilty, modern jets get their stability through computer assisted fly by wire systems. So this could also be the case here if the center of thrust is near the front set of thrusters.
The very first scene of the Venture Star strikes me as odd. For whatever reason, the ship is oriented the wrong way for a deceleration burn. Its correct in the second scene where the ship is in orbit, but I still wonder why it'd be oriented so strangely in the first. Was it a mistake made in editing? They thought about so much in this movie though that I'd be surprised if it was somehow an oversight.
You know why Avatar 2's ships looked like little toys and not nearly as powerful or as big as this ship even though they were exactly the same size? (Oh you thought i was going to tell you? Nah, being a teacher of film ill see if someone can guess it)
The space ship looks like something we will actually build someday. Not too over fiction in the "sci-fi". Just look at the inflated modules on the ship, the huge solar panels.
Thats are Not a Solar Panel at the Heck of the ISV - that is the Protection shield for the Giant Lasersystem, with their the ISVs Start from the Solar System (Photon- sail). 😉
Yes, good stuff. Probably only one thing, there is no multifunctional technology, just as there is no transformation or triangulation technology. The shuttles look a little dated, but it all looks like these shuttles were pioneers. The plot came out well, but the title itself betrays the plot, in addition, trailers for such films come out better than the film itself and it is better not to show any material at all until the original screening.
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i can just imagine civilian or freighter variants of these back on earth with logos traveling to LEO or to the Moon bases full of lights
The Valkyrie must perform several in-atmosphere hydrogen collection skimming flights in order to refuel before a return to orbit. My first instinct was to say that would make a single-stage moon mission impossible due to the moon's lack of substantial atmosphere, however the relatively low gravity and resulting escape velocity might actually mean it could return to earth LEO- (Whether enough fuel remains to perform a re-entry burn is a different story) Earth's gravity is greater than Pandora's however, so the Moon's ΔV savings might wind up being a wash, as the Valkyrie may consume more fuel on Earth escape. I am tempted to bust out MS Excel and find out. Also, a minor side note.. the RDA is an NGO, making this Valkyrie a civilian variant.
@@MIL-STD 1:02 the flight is a nostalgic masterpiece.
@@MIL-STD from what i understand of the lore the Valkyrie's get left behind and converted in to gas harvesters that collect gas form the gas giant to fuel the venture star. if they can do that then they are more then capable of going to the moon and back.
@@MIL-STD ".....Also, a minor side note.. the RDA is an NGO, making this Valkyrie a civilian variant....."
The Resources Development Administration is so big, wealthy, and powerful, though, that becomes a moot point. It seems to be able to wag the dog on any Earth government, and perhaps even all of them at once. It is, essentially, the entire 0.001%. It may allow governments to still exist only to do those jobs that are necessary but won't turn a sufficient profit.
We also need to consider things like Space Elevators or Sky Hooks back on Earth, which would make reaching orbit easier, with a platform in LEO where ships like the venture star are docked/built and the Valkyrie’s make trips to and from that platform.
2:25 I love that ripples are shown as Pandora's much denser atmosphere enters the ship.
I never noticed that until I read your comment.
I doubt the ship would be pressurized to 1atm instead of ambient pressure, if it were the atmosphere would flow in at the speed of sound and the ripples wouldn't be visible for that long.
I think it's just the different gas composition producing that effect, or maybe it's just unrealistic and put in to highlight that the air wasn't breathable outside.
@@rusher2937 Inner/outer pressures are essentially equal but the densities are quite different owing to their compositions. Temperature differences may also be a factor, but there's little additional evidence for that. Still, some great attention to detail for something that most viewers will never notice.
@@Philip-1 true that, it can still be denser at the same pressure.
Now that's what a human spaceship would look like.
Nope. The back can't be easily reached in case of maintenance problems or emergency. It makes no sense.
@@mrrandom1265 Sure it does. I'm assuming that's where the enormous, hot ass engines that would kill the entire crew are at. Or something like that. Just like Star Trek, you want those far away as possible. Exactly like you'd expect in reality. And how do you know there's not a way back there? You could always take a shuttle or EVA anyways.
@@mrrandom1265 the back is so far away because those massive engines are extremely radioactive and deadly
@@mrrandom1265 sir the back is behind a solar shield that can collect solar energy on the side facing the star and is also coated in reflectance in the inside structure. To focus the radiation for fuckin nuclear engines away from the crew. No shit their isn't a way back there. Let the robots handle the dna scramble
@@mrrandom1265 then I recommend you this video: czcams.com/video/-ov-fqmf9Iw/video.html
There’s an entire lore committed to the Venture Star.
“It also cannot support everyone being awake at once except when they are departing or arriving on the ship. So if the hibernation system fails before the ship arrives then it causes a problem. In this case the passengers will be euthanized by the computer instead of woken up. Sounds harsh but it is better than suffocating. “
personally, I'd rather just off myself with a pistol after gazing out of a window than just die in my sleep
Holy shit that's hardcore, hidden lore being revealed over a decade later!! It would make sense in a real life scenario tbh, a bit extreme but it's understandable.
It's that or suffocation. Going peacefully in your sleep is honestly not as bad as you'd think, you know.
@@Defirence I think it came out years ago in the Avatar Survival Guide. It still might be in print if you look for it.
@@JBRocky007 thanks! I managed to find it, 200+ pages though damn. Some good reading material lined up :D
I still remember watching this scene first time in 2009, Epic experience.
Same and still hoping one day there will be actual interstellar ships like this one.
star wars was better as a young kid in theaters. avatar looked good but not as epic.
@@ns7353 For 2009 it was amazing, I still feel the chills and my spine tingling watching the Valkyrie do an atmospheric entry and deceleration from the ISS Venture Star. All media has it's own charm in the end, each to their own. :)
09 it was ! And literally watched it after we came back from a deployment as Marines. It was WAY ahead of its time then
@@zac2399 Thank you for your service, keep safe
The reflection shot and the music especially is absolutely magical...
This intro immersed you right into Pandora. Brilliant sequence.
absolutely love it
Production Designer: But sir, the ship would be flying backwards.
James Cameron: Of course it would. That's what it would do while decelerating. /facepalm
@@Philip-1 that accualy have a lot of sense
@@Philip-1 if the ship has to fly backwards for the thrust to accelerate the craft, how does it turn around so that the thrusters will decelerate it
@@simonroh4958 I know of two ways to turn a ship. They can use small thrusters pointing sideways near the ship's ends, or a gyroscope near the ship's center. ...Or both.
That's one thing the second movie couldn't re-capture. That feeling of embarking a strange new world. The cloudy weather, the mysterious forest, the ominous music - man I just love this. (Gotta say though, on a storytelling level, it makes sense that the sequel gives off a different vibe, as Jake is now fully Na'vi, so it's not a strange world to him anymore).
The scene where multiple ISVs arriving at pandora was also epic though. But i agree this scene was more epic and captivating.
The first movie have exploring spirit thats why
If you read the Avatar Dictionary Book we know that Bridgehead City is ever expanding to house a population of 2M. Based on some deep dives of Avatar Redditors the humans are building a mega Space Bridge on Bridgehead. Bridgehead seems to be just the head of a whole body politic / jurisdiction. It makes sense that to bring in that many people millions you will need pretty much a Space Airport ie Space Bridge to transport them. So just imagine the scene, it’ll be Avatar 2009 opening scene to another level, we will see millions of humans coming to Pandora for the first time.
@@jaybanks3463 ".....the humans are building a mega Space Bridge on Bridgehead....."
Do you mean a Space Elevator? With tech like that, RDI could certainly build one. Although building one on Earth, and building one on Pandora - which is NOT an industrialized world, where they're still only starting to figure out the local conditions, and where all the natives hate them - are not at all the same thing. But the thought of complete conquest and mass settlement is horrifying - huge private estates for the RDI execs, rat warrens of slave workers, and the few surviving Navi forced onto reservations. And you just know that they're trying to figure out what the local version of rotgut whiskey might be.
I was amazed when i saw this first time in cinema , bit now i get tears in my eyes afyer i watch it
Get a grip of yourself
Me too, amazing movie and an amazing few years before the world started going to shit. Live for the nostalgia and good memories :)
Just now understood the symbolism:
Valkyrie (the space shuttle) carries the fallen warrior (Jake who is crippled) to Valhalla (Pandora) to be reborn as a mighty warrior again (the avatar program).
Oh damn
I never thought of it this way!! Kudos
*Blinks rapidly* Amazing that they thought about all the tiny little bits of symbolism
@@themightyalpaca313 not really, when you look at James Cameron's previous films
Maybe, but I think this spaceship was only used to move people from this bigger spaceship (to Pandora).
I love how it all looks real. I don't mean just the SFX and everything, but the way they shuttle lands it really looks like that's how it would be. In all of Cameron's films, the machines look functional with proper physics/interaction with the environment. Those four thrusters appear to be exactly what would be needed to power such a shuttle craft to make orbital back-and-forths.
I just wish they showed us More of RDA technic
I think the sequel will show a lot of advanced technologies, di you see the trailer.
@@user-pp4gh4gb2w I hope So!
@@zelenka0539 it does show more and it's impressive
The Sequel gives more detail on how the ISV’s work. :)
I think the time when that all gets properly explored will be in a prequel one day. Avatar is going to become a massive multifaceted IP like Star Wars: there the main sequence of films from episode 1 to 9, but there's also streaming series and standalone films that focus on certain characters and events. Avatar is going to get MASSIVE in the next 50 years.
I was so happy to see dozens of them in Avatar the way of water
ISVs and Shuttles. Very impressive. I like how they were significantly scaling up.
And the fact that they can land on earth 😳
The starships dropping directly on to the planet was very cool, but also what ruined the immersion for me. I mean, think about it - instead of struggling to locate the location of the rebel base they could have just landed one of the ships there and obliterated everything in the area. Why even bother with the counterinsurgency nonsense?
The whole idea that the Navi could provide any notable opposition is just nonsensical. The humans display an ability to glass the entire planet with merely their means of travelling there, let alone any attempt to use dedicated strategic weapons. There must be an almost totally dominant conservationist faction on Earth that set up extremely restrictive rules for anyone allowed to travel to Pandora, otherwise any native obstacles wouldn't even be speedbumps.
And then Avatar 2 is about how they need to hunt local fauna to harvest biological compounds? They can grow entire native lifeforms out of nothing but can't just synthesize the chemical the space whales produce? Absurd...
@@mylesleggette7520 Yes, one of my BIGGEST annoyances with the whole concept. Travel through time and space, but can't simply extract what they need without killing everything? Ah well, it's called fiction for a reason.
@@mylesleggette7520 Even more irritating is that it seems they desperately made up the concept the the ambrosia goo because there was little other reason to hunt the whales. The stakes just seem underwhelming when they try to make the whale hunt as significant as something like the attack on the home tree in the first film.
1:24 I always loved that cockpit scene.
Somos dois
James Cameron should make more movies taking place in space.
patience young padawan.
The original script for Avatar 2 suppose to be a space fight between the Navi and Humans/RDA, but James Cameron scrapped it as it is too much. It was instead end up as a comic _Avatar: The High Ground_ as a prequel to Avatar 2.
@@randomly_random_0I could see that still happening near the end of the series, Maybe in Avatar 4 or 5, one of the producers confirmed Avatar 5 will visit earth.
It's mind blowing how big the shuttle is but the size of it is nothing compared to that enormous spacecraft.
Something I loved about the sequel is how they updated the rocket spaceflight science, see in this the rockets kind of drift towards the planets without any thrusters and just stay. Based on modern physics, a rocket that flies away from one planet and towards another, will have to flip itself halfway, to account for the gravity of each planet and the fact that momentum isnt lost in space. The rocket basically has to spend the first half of its journey accelerating and the second half decelerating. That's why at the start of Way of water, the rockets look like stars (the thrusters are aimed at pandora), this is also shown in modern sci fi shows like The Expanse.
the expanse was so much fun. I loved the books and the shows were so very good
@@CarlMadsen Same! Gotta get the books, it was really saddening when the show got cancelled, twice. :( It was really good though, can rewatch over and over.
Apparently, according to the lore of the ship, it was decelerating for about six months, hence why it’s radiator panels are still glowing. Because hot things don’t cool down very well in space. Something that I’m starting to wish we saw more of in sci-fi.
@@themightyalpaca313 this! Even though space is a freezing void the heat dissipates so slowly due to a kind of Leidenfrost effect would be my best guess.
@@Defirence No Leidenfrost effect, although similar in a way. The vacuum of space provides no means for conduction or convection of heat, so heat is discharged through black-body thermal radiation alone. This makes the process of heat rejection incredibly slow and dependent on massive radiator surfaces to achieve usable performance.
"Unobtanium" I laughed so loud in the theater when I heard them say it in the movie.
actually a word used by scientists.
2:00 u can see the Sentry gun that was also in the scene in Avatar 2 where Quaritch squad arrive to a human city in the desert, next to the Air Control tower
You can also see that in the sequel, they gave their defensive perimeter a greater diameter. Haha
@Reaper 62They will, apparently one of the Na’vi clans become the villains in Avatar 3 and the humans become the good guys
@@noahpuli4887 The humans were always the good guys.
@@chriswhite3692
LoL no
@@warchiefvenomn7612 Yes.
amazing how James built this enitre wourld up with amazing technology both in real life and fictional just to say 'HUMANS BAD LOL".
20 + deleted scenes that made a much more compelling morally grey story DILIBERATLY DELETED just to dumn down the nerrative.
To be fair, this is basically the same story that has played out across human history any time a technologically advanced civilization has met a less advanced society.
Turns out, people are kinda jerks if we can get away with it.
For them, we are the aliens
The first Outer Space scenes in The Way Of Water are similar.
Sooo COOOL
And they didn't explore more on them.😟
A5 will have them go back to Earth so we can hopefully see more if it is approved.
@@Bird-Birdy-Love released in 2065 tho
@@qzbnyv 2028
That’s is fine master pace
humanity can travel through light years, invented the AMP suits and space shuttles to mine an alien planet, but still couldn't fix the main character legs
In a deleted scene Jake said that they had the ability to fix his legs but he couldn't afford to pay for it. Also in the movie Quaritch says that he'd put in a personal word to get Jake's legs fixed after his mission was over.
That black officer is ALWAYS WORKING, but I don't know his name. DO NOT STOP!!!
He looks like he's in his 40s, but he goes back into deep freeze every time his ship turns around. The last couple months of his life have been forty years of interstellar transits, with a little bit of yelling at both ends.
Apparently the person saying the line, "Valkyrie One Six, copy OMS master arm on. Valkyrie One Six you are cleared for deorbit burn at two two four niner," is none other than James Cameron.
Damn it still looks so good
the sad part is we could have had something like the Valkyrie IRL with the next generation space shuttle that was the first to be called the Venture Star it was going to be a Single Stage to Orbit craft but it was cancelled by then vice president Dick Chenney
Cost effective measures. Last time I check NASA replace it with a more automatic unmanned spaceshuttle that can go for years.
@@danyleon4870 Yeah the real venture star would have been a breakthrough for many unproven technologies, unfortunately now nasa doesn't do stuff like that anymore and private companies wont employ those technologies because they are too risky and not profitable
I know that's a big shuttle, but how TF do those big ace construction vehicles get down there?!
they probally manufacture them on the moon
And orbital dropped it.
@@bop5402 sent big LEGO-style instructions lol
either built on pandora or sling loaded from an isv
@@hazmatt3250 orbital drop tons of lego pieces on the planet and throw at the engineers the blueprint
I’ve just bought x3 of the Valkyrie die cast toys from Disney. Can’t believe it only took them 13 years to make one. Finally!
Are they still available?
Yes they are@@mohamed-amenyussuf1185
So much technology and the wheelchair is not motorized...
In that world you only get access to good tech with money
I think it’s for weight saving purpose rather than not being or have a motorized wheelchair. Reminding you that shipping stuffs to Pandora is extremely expensive, a lightweight and foldable wheelchair would cost much less to ship in compared to a bulky motorized wheelchair.
Hell, they have the medical technology to basically fix Jake's legs back, he just doesn't have the money for it. It does kinda reinforce the movie's critique about megacorporation capitalism and greed, and how it deprives people of necessities and help. There is a scene in the extended editions of Avatar showing the Blade Runner-esque setting of Earth and Jake being a poor washed-up and forgotten vet.
Also, Jake seems like the kinda guy who doesn't like being assisted (out of pride and dignity). Like the scene where he's about to be plugged into his Avatar for the first time, he tells Grace not to help him put his legs in and that he could do it himself. A motorized wheelchair probably just makes him feel even "lesser" of a person.
It probably does exist but can Jake Sully afford it? Doubt it
2:14 is that James Cameron on the left?
人类都能恒星间旅行了，却还需要去开采行星上的资源，太违和了
Thanks
Given the mass limits on the mothership, and how they were on regular runs: Why does the shuttle come with the Venture Star? It would save a lot of weight to just leave a couple shuttles on Pandora. They come up to meet the ship. Another set of shuttles on Earth for the other end.
A real good point! Maybe there's a safety benefit to bringing them along if in some way they can act as a lifeboat, much like the Soyuz modules do on the ISS. Just theorizing though; I doubt that was a consideration when the artists were making this scene.
Maybe every trip they bring another one to add to the fleet on the planet
It hitches a ride
@@ianhunt4147 It was a significant plot point in the first movie that they had to use one of their only two shuttles as an improvised bomber.
When I first saw the movie, I took the presence of the shuttles as a sign that the ship's cargo capacity was so high that the shuttles were negligible. Or that it regularly explored other planets. But I recently saw a remark that the cargo was supposed to be only 350-ish tons. And it never went *anywhere* else.
@@digitalman01010 Possibly. But the Venture Star never went anywhere that a lifeboat would be relevant except for Earth and Pandora. If something went wrong in interstellar space, a shuttle just means you last a few more hours. There was no chance of calling for a rescue; the best one could do was radio earth to send another ship to salvage your own after a couple years.
IIRC, they repurpose the shuttles into mining ships that skim the surface of the nearby gas giant for fuel for the ISV's engines. Its possible the shuttles themselves can be used as backup fuel tanks.
My favorite part of the movie
Water. Earth. Fire. Air. Long ago, the four nations lived together in harmony.
Then, everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
I just want to see more of this sweet future tech, the Na'vi should stop busting them up.
Most GLORIOUS scene ever 👁️👃👁️🙏
Epico
@0:16 when I watched this the first time as a kid 14 years ago, I thought Pandora was somehow invisible to humans and they needed a special type of glass to see it. Now I realize its actually just a mirror 😅
ahahaha I love stuff like that. Growing up is fun. You never stop feeling like a total pleb.
Honestly the music and general atomsphere remind me of Halo
FYI two shuttles were sent down, one carrying passengers and the other one cargo
This movie is visually stunning. I only wish it was more than Pocahontas in space.
"Hell's Gate tower this is TAV-16 on approach. Crossing outer marker. Money's in sight."
Mining's in sight.
@@gregorzkurz7919 Is that what he says?
@@gregorzkurz7919 I checked a closed captioning (appears official).
"Mine is in sight."
@@chriswhite3692 Yeah, Mine is in insight.
0:01 that's the ISV Venture Star a Spaceship build by the RDA on Earth
Damn. I thought it was the Enterprise
@@wilmersandstrom2826 do you think this is Star Trek
@@Sahilprakash1999 This is Warhammer 30K, right?
@@wilmersandstrom2826 I think its star wars
No it's halo
1:44 arriving base
2:33 me: *running*
0:51 Valkyrie's re-entry
0:00 arriving Pandora
That ship Is a thing of beauty but Pandora more so
I saw High Ground comic featured Navis fighting RDA in space. Would’ve been dope to see that in movie.
I still wonder if this was used to transport humans to the venture star from earth
Probably, if humanity didnt build space elevator first.
@@danyleon4870 That's what I was thinking. Since they're constructing Bridgehead in Avatar 2, I assume a space elevator will come next.
Or a space elevator. If they were to build one 89,000 miles above Earth, it would be enough to send craft to Jupiter and then use gravity assist to leave the solar system.
@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Too bad it wasnt shown on the movie.
I like this intro scene
Humans need giant mecha to fight the giant inhabitants of this planet!
This ain't lost planet 💀
Well, this movie it's basically taking more from a realistic perspective on a future tech. So a Gundam like a mecha it's unlikely will be made as a standard military in the future bro.
So Many Guns But No Melee 🤨🤨🤨
I wish Cameron wanted to do more than make movies about blue aliens.
Thats how Terminator fans felt when he made titanic and didn't make another movie for 12 years.
This arrival is actually very unrealistic. The arrival in avatar 2 is the real deal.
For instance, the ship will be turned backwards for deceleration.
Still epic after Avatar 2
Entire intro looks like a cutscene from deserts of kharak, not real, flat, but epic.
Happy 14th Anniversary Avatar 1
cinema
Dude betrayed the human race just for alien bussy. And he also forgot to do his job.
Pretty sure 'bussy' isn't short for 'blue pussy'
Human have a lot of that things now
To this day I have difficulty understanding how that ship managed to transport those gigantic mining machines to another planet.
It didn’t. The trick is they 3d print everything they possibly can, and only bring difficult stuff with them, ie. the control electronics.
They definitely had to manufacture this stuff on site
They only fly in smaller intricate components that can't be manufactured on Pandora. Everything else is fabricated there.
it's all manufactured on pandora, it's said that hell's gate existed for something like 30 years so likely the equipment needed to build the machines was delivered, perhaps even the equipment to build the equipment to build the machines, then so on and so forth
0:51 Valkyrie's re-entry
And you KNOW there a mcdonalds somewhere on that base!
You feel like this whenever you fly a big ship in Star Citizen.
Any plan on doing vehicles from For All Mankind?
Wow
Reminds me of Aliens 1989
We need to lashmir this struegenon and inhousing quarters
I saw the movie 3d but honestly I like the non 3d version
I'm curious how dying the earth is. I mean they can still make such a huge tech in dying planet. After watching the sequel humans have left Pandora for 10+ years and that is a long time, and how can human still making spaceships without having supply unobtanium to keep earth alive?
Unobtanium they said was largely used for the development of intercontinental maglev trains, but I assume they also used it in manufacturing batteries, transmission wires, microchips, all kinds of electronics. And it was used to greatly increase the efficiency of interstellar travel. I assume the RDA had an emergency stockpile that could allow them to continue operations for years until they could reestablish their sourcing.
@@thenewadventuresofhenry6998 Good point. I bet they have mine a massive amount of unobtanium for past 30 years. I wonder how unobtanium make the earth alive? do they use it for earth soil?
"Dying planet" is a meaningless term, it's meant for theme more than to actual describe conditions on Earth. Unless it's falling into a star or gas giant or something a planet cannot "die." Now the Earth's ecosystem, on the other hand... that could have collapsed. But since their technology is clearly advanced enough to create things like the Avatars, I don't see how they would be unable to repair it...
They probably had these things long before the crisis.
Except that the placement of those 4 thrusters don't make sense. They're placed way too rearward in the wing to make the Valkyrie hover landing possible. There's nothing to provide lift in the forward fuselage area. The F-35B has a lift fan/thruster right behind of the cockpit to balance the CG so it can vertically take off and land.
It kinda looks odd, but the orbital maneuvering engines in the back are most likely verry heavy. The center of gravity has to be behind the front set of thrusters for this vtol design to work. For Stability it is better to have the center of gravity in the middle of the 2 sets of thrusters. But as a reminder, fighter jets are unstable by design to add maneuverabilty, modern jets get their stability through computer assisted fly by wire systems. So this could also be the case here if the center of thrust is near the front set of thrusters.
Except you have no idea where the CG is
The antimater engines were very heavy that's why the engines are placed to far on back
I think I see that there are two other moons that orbiting that planet like Pandora.
Avatar is more than a movie..is our Past..Africa Past..
The very first scene of the Venture Star strikes me as odd. For whatever reason, the ship is oriented the wrong way for a deceleration burn. Its correct in the second scene where the ship is in orbit, but I still wonder why it'd be oriented so strangely in the first. Was it a mistake made in editing? They thought about so much in this movie though that I'd be surprised if it was somehow an oversight.
Avatar:
Special effects A
Script F
This movie might just be a load of spectical. But damn it looks nice
You know why Avatar 2's ships looked like little toys and not nearly as powerful or as big as this ship even though they were exactly the same size?
(Oh you thought i was going to tell you? Nah, being a teacher of film ill see if someone can guess it)
I just don’t understand why humans lose every time
You got a discord? I’m impressed by how smart you are, and i’d love your cooperation on some Sci-Fi projects
Why CZcams detects this video as a song
Have technology to travel across the stars and settle on alien planets....but still use 20th century LNG flares 🤣
The space ship looks like something we will actually build someday. Not too over fiction in the "sci-fi". Just look at the inflated modules on the ship, the huge solar panels.
easily the most plausible interpretation of an interstellar vehicle in cinema
Thats are Not a Solar Panel at the Heck of the ISV - that is the Protection shield for the Giant Lasersystem, with their the ISVs Start from the Solar System (Photon- sail). 😉
What's on earth in that universe?
Just want to see fighter jets in avatar.
да уж, с второй частью камерун облажался, хорошо, что его можно было посмотреть в интернете
SOUKA
Why at 0:16 are the Valkayries pointed away from the shield, but then at 0:38 when the ISV is in orbit, they are pointed towards it??
Boa pergunta
Blur Studios animated this.
Yes, good stuff. Probably only one thing, there is no multifunctional technology, just as there is no transformation or triangulation technology. The shuttles look a little dated, but it all looks like these shuttles were pioneers. The plot came out well, but the title itself betrays the plot, in addition, trailers for such films come out better than the film itself and it is better not to show any material at all until the original screening.
Way of water was amazing but the vibes in this movie is just better
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This long structure is just a disaster ready to happen. You need a deep space EVA every time you have to maintain something. Unnecessary dangerous.
Yeah sure have the habitation modules right next to anti matter - matter reactors vomiting radiation constantly
1:07 Osprey In Space?🤨🤨🤨
Veteran US Army: *[Osprey PTSD Flashbacks]* 😰😰😰
(Lol How Many Marines, Army, Navy Died During The War)
Spoiler, but Avatar2 , this scene is far more epic :D
All the tech and he can't even have a fancy wheelchair. WTF?
After I'm done then I might put my hammer and let the lucky ones out of jail. 😠
Could just he hear shimmer.
It's too close to its parent planet. Tidal forces would have already destroyed it and the other smaller moons
yeah true. but it's look cool and the kids love it.
It's gas planet
is this a deleted scene?
Opening scene
I just remember a specific actor who turned down the lead role and a hefty percentage of the take. Yikes.
Wonder how much we’d get paid tho