LNER InterCity 225 (91 + Mk4) - Amazing First Class Review (Edinburgh to London)
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- Hello, and welcome back to another train trip report! For this week's video, I will be reviewing LNER's older train, the BR InterCity 225.
Built in British Rail days for ambitious 140mph (225km/h) running, the Class 91 'Electra' and its Mk4 carriages were definitely the last flagship train of BR. They have been used solely on the East Coast Mainline (ECML) throughout their lifetime, but now are being replaced by the new LNER Azuma from Hitachi. Having already reviewed the new wheels ( • LNER Class 800 'Azuma'... ), I thought it would be right to review the old too, before they are finally withdrawn from service.
This was very much a last minute plan, as I only found out about this route having any IC225 workings a few days before making the journey. Needless to say, I was very glad to have a ride, as just a few weeks later the last Class 91 to Edinburgh was operated.
With their big leather armchairs, and smooth ride, it's no surprise that these trains are so popular.
I hope you enjoy the video, don't forget to like and subscribe if you enjoyed, and see you again next week for another video!
#LNER #intercity225 #class91 #tripreport
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Journey Details:
Origin: Edinburgh
Destination: London Kings Cross
Company: LNER
Train: UK Class 91 + Mk4 Carriage 'InterCity 225'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 392 miles / 631 kilometres
Price: £69
Time: 4h21m + 7L
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Monday to Friday diagrams for the ic225 sets if anybody was interested on going on one note these are a few weeks old
1A04, 0605 LDS-KGX
1N81, 0906 KGX-YRK
1Y84, 1202 YRK-KGX
1N87, 1506 KGX-YRK
1Y90, 1802 YRK-KGX
1D02, 0633 KGX-LDS
1A45, 1745 LDS-KGX
1A13, 0655 SKI-KGX
1D14, 1233 KGX-LDS
1A37, 1515 LDS-KGX
1D28, 1833 KGX-BDQ
1N80, 0706 KGX-YRK
1Y82, 1002 YRK-KGX
1N85, 1306 KGX-YRK
1Y88, 1603 YRK-KGX
1D29, 1903 KGX-LDS
Credit to whoever made this I just copied and pasted!
Excellent! Thanks for this, will help everyone a lot. 😃
@@SuperalbsTravels not a problem
I fondly remember taking this route (Edinburgh Waverly to London Kings Cross) in 1974 in 1st class on British Rail. It was at least 6 hours, but the service was incredible including a wonderful dinner in the dining car with silver and china service. These were with the 1st diesel Royal Scotsman trains (pre-HST).
Oh how I would love to see a Deltic. (Aka I wasn't alive when they were around but what trains they were)
Even in second class you were served with real panache and professionalism by dapper white jacketed stewards pouring hot drinks from silver tea and coffee pots - I cringe at what passes for 'service' nowadays! Those Deltic hauled air conditioned later Mk. 2 carriages had a beautiful ride quality and wonderfully comfortable seats.
I'd rather the journey takes a little longer - to enjoy some luxury.
I want one of the first class seats on these trains, I'm doing my room up and they are the exact colour scheme of it, and they look cool!
Great video Albie, thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish.
Thank you very much sir. 👌😃
Great review Albert.
I absolutely love these trains! They are so comfortable and are full of character!
Aren't they great? :) Thanks for watching. :)
Great video !!
Lovely video! The only issue I have is that upon passing Heaton you stated it was Newton Heath, easy mistake considering the names and company!
Brilliant video the quality is fantastic keep it up!!
Thank you very much, will do! :)
Thanks for the nice train video 👍. Joe
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
Lovely video!
Good video - I enjoyed it. I’ve done trips to Edinburgh from various places in Yorkshire: direct from Sheffield on Cross Country HSTs (20 years ago) and Voyagers/Super Voyagers; from Doncaster on Class 91 + Mk4; and best of all, all the way to Inverness from York on the Highland Chieftain, HST + Mk3. That was good trip!
Sounds great! Glad you liked my video.
Really looks like a fantastic train. I like to see it.
It very much is!
I absolutely adore the Intercity 225s! Not a mark against the Azuma Trains mind you (as I actually rather like those trains myself and think they're a fine replacement), just that these are incredible trains.
It'll be a sad day once they're all gone, but here's hoping they continue to still find use for these trains on other lines and services like they did with the Intercity 125s/HSTs.
The 800's are appalling. I don't know how you can compare them! Horrible seats, rough riding, noisy, awful lighting, plasticky with no warmth to the interior. Just awful. I have reverted to my car they're so bad for my regular returns to Yorkshire.
@@richardwills-woodward5340only noisy on the diesel conversion but yes
1- benches are more comfortable then these seats
2- lighting is WAYYY to bright where is the natural light
3- I want to throw up
4- air con too cold
Only thing I can say that is nice
1- the acceleration is very nice and the train looks really cool
@@LengKingg You know, I agree on acceleration, but looks cool? Well if they hadn't left a huge gap between the coaches with a huge gap under the coaches at either end of each, with electrical equipment hanging down and made an effort on the bodywork and 'streamline' the train, put in flush doors with the bodywork and reflective finish with smooth window sides instead of recessed frames with 'boarded' up areas where a buffet car is supposed to be, it would be a lot better!
Honestly, this is a lousy, cheap, commuter train and does not even come close to Intercity. I think my thoughts were also echoed by Roger Ford - a veteran of railway business and engineering.
Further, operators are using these trains as regional services now too. You can't tell what is Intercity service and what is a regional service anymore. It is all a mess.
@@richardwills-woodward5340 I mean the front I like how they hide the ginormous mouth rather then having it stick out like the voyagers
@@LengKingg Front looks great...I just wish they'd followed through to the rest of the train. It's no DB ICE train. I am very concerned about what we order for HS2 as well!
Brilliant video and review. Few pointers I would like to point out. The Royal Border Bridge, you go over it after you’ve stopped at Berwick London bound and you over the bridge then Berwick Edinburgh bound. The depot you saw heading towards Newcastle isn’t Newton Heath as that’s in Manchester, the one you passed was Heaton. Overall brilliant video tho
Many happy memories of taking the 225 from London KX up to Darlington on a Friday night to see my Parents, purchasing some McEwans Export tins from the buffet car, carried back to my seat in a paper bag :D
Great video i like the 225. Greetings from the netherlands
Thanks, they're great trains! :)
The class 91's and coaches will be sorely missed.I suffer Azumas on the GWR from Paddington to Exeter and they and rubbish compared to the HST's Now sadly all gone apart from Castles, 4 coach semi locals in the South West. I have very happy memotries of doing 2 trips on the Highland Chieftan out of Kings Cross all the way to Inverness on a Tuesday and back on a Thursday, last year and the year before, Happy memories of LNER beakfast crossing the Culloden viaduct on the way to Aviemore after leaving Iverness. I agree the 1st class ( got cheapies with my senior railcard) was very comfortable and I paid around £70 for each trip for 8 hours in the trains.
Very nice video :)
Thanks!
I am glad you wrote about the A4 Mallard in the way you did. People are mistaken in calling it the fastest steam train. It was when it was still steaming. lol
I’m glad I got to ride one of these years ago, back when it was east coast going from Peterborough to kings cross, loved it, especially compared to the stop services I would normally take. I think I still prefer the east coast scheme on these trains though.
Lovely video mate
Thank you! 😃
Are there any trains you'd like to see me review?
@@SuperalbsTravels have you done xc hst?
@@SuperalbsTravels hmmm maybe....
The class 700 those seats are terrible
@@JacobsTrainVideos Yeah XC HST was done a while ago! 😃
@@LengKingg Ooh, not a bad idea the 700s. Will see what I can do.
Used these trains many times. Far better than the new ones. Good video only one small point the Royal Border Bridge is after the first stop at Berwick upon Tweed
Good stuff
Thanks, glad you liked it.
Nice video and lovely entirely British train. So glad that BRs designs, IC125 & IC225 were so good, proving what a failure & how unnecessary privatisation was imo.
I'm yet to see the IC225 going 125 mph on a phone App! Strangely enough another 225 video i watched had it going 118 mph as well so I wish you had remembered to measure the speed south of York. Sorry to be a little negative about Kings X St. Pancras Station but there are many more impressive stations in the world. I always wonder why they extended the beautiful roof with a flat one !!
Curious fact, this train, even at 'average' speed, was still faster than the first airliner I travelled in. It was during the mid '50s, in NZ, the airliner was a DH Dommine, a twin engine bi-plane. Many years later a pilot told me if one engine stopped mid-flight, single engine performance meant a 'controlled' descent. Ummmm.
Great video the first class does look nice and some of the views on the route I personally think it's a good thing they remove the smoking carriage from the train as people SHOULD NOT be smoking on public transport because that would be paying a service just to pollute your lungs 😒
My favorite of the LNER fleet I’m sorry to see these go.
Last travelled LNER first class in December 2018, after a flight into Heathrow. Those seats were so comfy I had to stop my jet-lagged self from falling asleep or I would’ve missed my stop.
As much as I like the Azumas, the 225 is still better
I absolutley love the looks of these trains. So sad i wont be able to ride them by the time i get there though, but if im lucky, chances are.....
Why not? 😥
@@SuperalbsTravels I won’t be coming back to Britain anytime soon due to the circumstances
Oh yeah, it is a pretty rubbish place to be honest.
I am a huge fan of 91’s but let’s not forget that they have a history of reliability issues much like 55’s (Deltics) on the ECML , nevertheless I equally like 55’s as well . Brilliant video by the way .
Thank you! Can't say I've ever had any issues with them.
This is my favourite train
I can certainly see why.
A much more comfortable and serene travel experience IMO than the Azuma. Smoother ride, quieter, much better seats, nicer looking interiors - Quite why those assets weren't replicated on the new trains I find hard to fathom! I traveled to London from Leeds on them many a time and found it to be an enjoyable experience. By contrast I got back ache on the Azuma even on much shorter trips... not good! I also think it is very poor that there is no proper buffet car on the new units - these are supposed to be "premium" long distance trains!..? Anyway rant over I hope you enjoyed your trip, and I hope I get to travel on these modern classic trains a few more times before they disappear for good :-(
Where to start? If you are travelling north to south, from Edinburgh to London, then in railway terms it's an "Up" rather than a "Down" service! The border between England and Scotland did indeed once run down the middle of the River Tweed (in much the same way that it once ran down the middle of the River Tyne, and once ran down the middle of the Firth of Forth) but in 1483 the much-maligned Yorkist King Richard III annexed Berwick-upon-Tweed, moving the Anglo-Scottish border a few miles north to Marshall Meadows, where it currently remains. Congratulations on spotting the greatest Norman building in the world - Durham Cathedral - without mentioning its near neighbour, a somewhat nondescript University of Durham Hall of Residence, known as Castle College. On a clear day the run along the Northumberland coast offers amazing views, including a glimpse of Lindisfarne (aka Holy island) with its famous castle. Also surely worthy of a mention are Stoke Bank, south of Grantham, where "Mallard" set a yet-unbroken speed record for steam traction (at the cost of severe damage to her Big Ends), and the Fens around Peterborough, where the soil turns black in fields which are now below sea level. Apart from these minor caveats a fantastic video which showcases one of the best electric trainsets to run on Britain's railway network ... the "Brighton Belle" of course excepted.
The best British train by far. Hopefully I'll get a chance to ride it once in my life. Starting with a fact it's a loco hauled train, in a push-pull configuration, the coaches are modern, with air suspension and beautiful interior. And the wonderful classic AC sound of the locomotive when accelerating.
And I'm not an Azuma hater (more a HST hater), but IC 225 is so far above.
My top 3: IC 225, Pendolino, Caledonian Sleeper. Probably the new GA Class 745 could catch up too.
Hope you can soon, they have a few years left, I hope...
Bangin vid bro, must've killed it tho when they took out the blem area ffs :(
Haha, thank you! Do I even need to know what blem means? 😃
Or can I just make a guess? ;)
I'm gonna take a 225 from Grantham to Newark not much but at least get to go one before 2023
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nice :D
Must admit..ECML is my fav...
WCML has my heart because of trips to family in Ireland via Holyhead
But ECML has my soul...
Get Carter!
That depot is Heaton (Newcastle) and not Newton Heath which is in Manchester,
That's a strange route for an East Coast train: Edinburgh, Berwick, past Newton Heath depot (Manchester), then Newcastle......
Think you meant Heaton depot! Since you filmed this LNER have increased the complimentary offer in 1st class: there's now bacon rolls up until 1000/1030 then a choice of sandwiches the rest of the day 😉
I think you had a mix up between Newton heath and heaton depot at the Newcastle part
People sitting in an aisle seat ( although sitting in aisle seats are currently banned) can get access to the power as long as its not in use, they have a long enough power or usb lead like I have, and the person sitting at the window plugs it in for you
It was Heaton depot just north of Newcastle
East actually ;o) Off Chillingham Road, between the areas of Byker and Heaton.
While I don't my the Azuma Trains myself (their increased acceleration definatly helps) The 225s are so much more comfortable to travel in and I'd much rather use them. It'll be a sad day when they're gone for good, which I believe will be some time in 2021.
No they are staying until 2023/2024
Eversholt the rosco that owns the 225s have extended the lease with lner until at least summer 2023 with the option to extend till summer 2024. This includes a refirb of the 91 locos themselves as well the mk4 sets at the beginning of 2022 so they should be around for a little while longer, hopefully
Thanks both for clearing that up, I was sure it was 2021 for some reason. Still, I stand corrected.
@@Pulsarnix it was originally supposed to be around summer this year they were to be gone, then they moved it to December 2021 just before the timetable change before again moving it back to 2023/2024
@@mvm03vm3 Ah, so that's where I got it from. Thanks again.
I'm going on a 225 set on Saturday to doncaster
Awesome! First class?
@@SuperalbsTravels standard class
Standard Class is better than First Class
How do you find out what train is planned! Would love to take my son but don't want to book and end up on a class 800/801...
@@Adamadam-tc1qg I like the 225 sets
Lovely vid 91110 battle of Britan will go to the nrm once it finished service with LNER in 2024 it will go cause it’s the fastes electric loco in the country
You've forgotten to add the links in the top right
Shame these are getting replaced with the "plastic express" things. They've served well during their time on the ECML.
Cant blame them they are almost 40
I mean you can say what you like about IETs but they're not particularly plastic?
@@TheCatOfWarCSGO the exterior of IETs are really quite nice, I'm more focused on the interior when I say that. It's not a particularly nice ride.
@@TheCatOfWarCSGO i think the IET's look cheap and will never be classed as classics
@@omegamezle i agree but you can do your ironing on the seats providing you got a travelling iron with you - helps pass the time
nice one, what app do you use for the speedo?
I’ve always thought of the ‘91 class as the equivalent Deltic of the day.
It's amazing how much of a step back the Azuma is in terms of comfort and refinement. I took First Class down from Edinburgh to London Kings X on Monday, and it was legitimately less comfortable than the Standard class seats on these 225 sets. Is there any legitimately good reason they don't pad or contour seats properly anymore? Because I don't think it'd detract from seating space in any noticeable capacity to add half an inch or so in extra padding on the seats and a bit more shaping so I don't feel like I'm sat on a tall park bench.
And that's before mentioning the increased noise and jostling that's inevitable when comparing an EMU to carriage stock.
You're right, I'd happily take second on a 225 over first on an 800. Bizarre!
Talking about the compulsory seat reservations on LNER, they have a number of seats in standard accommodation (not sure about 1st class) which are unreserveable and intended for short journeys for passengers who board without a reservation. But this is not publicised so you need to be "in the know".......
A proper InterCity train - although did they go to Halfords for this interior?
Lol I got an Halfords ad before reading this xd
Honestly I would do anything to ride on a class 91 with mk4 coaches again so count yourself lucky.
They're back in service! Can you give them a try now?
This is the express service to London Kings Cross. Why is LNER removed HSTs, Intercity 225 sets and HullTrains Adelantes I hope Grand Central 180s won't be removed from the ECML. I like Pacers, they have some nice character to them most likely 144s I know people don't like pacers, well I don't mind cause they're cute.
The Headcode is 1E17 the 1330, LNER service to London Kings Cross
LNER removed the IC125s due to being ancient and antiquated, having poor acceleration and not meeting modern regulations for operation. The IC225s are also quite old, and also have poor acceleration (though not as bad as a HST). Hull Trains had many reliability issues with their 180 fleet plus the 802s which replaced them (and likewise for the 800s that replaced the HSTs on LNER) can operate on both electric and diesel, massively reducing their carbon footprint
HST trains were pulled basically because the route is electrified.
@@agent_605LNER should've kept the InterCity125 sets
When was this filmed ? because on sept 26th one of these class loco’s passed our EMR regional service between Grantham & Peterborough as well as many Azuma’s, as we were going to the Norfolk Broads for our hols,
This would have been the 25th August.
4 motorized axles pulling 13 coaches
Capable of 140mph plus!
Go Thyristor!
SNCF couldn't believe how BREL did it!
They sure are an amazing design! 👏❤️
Caption errors! 10.22 is incorrect. When travelling South from Edinburgh to London, the station at Berwick Upon Tweed is before the bridge on the North bank of the river, not after on the South bank. Once over the bridge you are no longer in Berwick, you are passing through the town of Tweedmouth.
12.15 The depot shortly before arriving at Newcastle is Heaton, not Newton Heath. Newton Heath is not even in Newcastle, it is in Manchester, furthermore it closed as a railway depot many years ago.
This Is Much Better Than Uncomfortable Seats. Im Quite A Fan Of Hitachi Trains Though... 😶
Sidenote : ScotRail is a Dutch company 😛
ScotRail = Abellio
Abellio = Nederlandse Spoorwegen/NS ( National Dutch Railways )
What did I say? 😬
@@SuperalbsTravels 🤣🤣👍
i would bank that if any 91 would be preserved, it would be 91101, the flying scotsman
I find it funny that we can get misty eyed about the Mk.4s now, but when they first came into service their ride quality was poor compared to Mk.3s at that time. The Mk.3s deteriorated quite badly as more time passed making the newer stock look better in comparison.
Nostalgia!
Am I losing my mind or was 'Newton Heath Depot' a mistake?
Sean Blinkhorn Definitely a mistake, should’ve been Heaton Depot.
Yes, Heaton TMD in the east of Newcastle - I grew up 2 minutes from it. :o)
Lovely LNER HST is the best everlast this... Why not trying plan to keep on usual for repainting create to both of them? Pretty miss this one love, hm!! 😟💟
Really wish these sets were used to replace HSTs instead of IET/IEPs or Azumas
When did you record this (ie what was the date)?
It was even better as virgin east coast on the breakfast service you got proper China cups in first class and pastries, biscuits etc... Then on train you got a welcome drink, a warm cinnamon bun/muffin hybrid , a well sized cooked breakfast, toast and jam and fruit with lots of free coffee and biscuits. On the return journey the hot meals were well sized again and you got proper glasses with your unlimited alcohol and ended the journey with a free 10min (clothes on) massage in the first class lounge from a company called "massage angels" :) unfortunately with LNER cost cutting the deal is still ExcelIent but has deteriorated slightly :( I'm sure it was even better with GNER before too
Gner was the best , virgin east coast made it tacky
@@s125ish I love the soft leather and seats. They haven't been maintained so well with LNER.
I think the old fabric was starting to show signs of wear and tear and tbh made the carriage have the feel of a posh caravan 😂
either VTEC or GNER was the best and national express east coast was the worst
@@Faulty720 ah I'm not a fan of leather seats , remind s me of leather car or sofas ha . Sticky in hot weather and cold in winter
@@s125ish remember GNER 373
Can you do the Flying Scotsman service? (Only calling at Newcastle before running non-stop to KGX)
Maybe, but I'd rather not spend 4hr on an 800.
@@SuperalbsTravels Same here
You cross the Tweed bridge after the station at Berwick
Depending, of course, on the direction of travel!
@@KempSimon True, but in the context of this video the comment was correct.
everytime i have been to Edinburgh or Glasgow it rained lol but i still prefer trains which look like trains and not something from Japan.However very VTEC interiors as they where refitted when Stagecoach/Virgin took over the franchise, but hell more comfortable than their Japanese replacements. All LNER did was to replace the headrests.. why would you need a reading light in daylight? get real !! and yes i agree the British Rail Intercity was far better, the British Government should have insisted the Intercity livery remained when they privatised the system
Dave rains every day in Glasgow
The IC 225 sets are great and if they wanted to replace them with azumas I would suggest sending them to Avanti west coast
😔💔
York used to be 1hr39 and 1hr 45 north to south. How things have got slower and slower.
That would be a rapid run!
@@SuperalbsTravels You can see the UK has gone backwards....substantially.
LNER are quite poor ATM for covid travel. Even on a bank holiday you'd get a sandwich, crisps, biscuits, tea/coffee and a pre packaged cake or muffin and fruit :/ and for most pax they've made it very difficult to obtain a ticket, compared to other companies they have so many restrictions and rules
Thanks for the video, a good record of the train. What is the economics of scrapping a perfectly good and comfortable train when it probably had around ten to fifteen years of life left? I agree, banning smoking on trains was good and like you a thought the BR livery was very smart.
There’s a combination of factors. Firstly, the 91s aren’t in the greatest of shape so likely would’ve needed an expensive overhaul to continue operation. Secondly, their acceleration is poor compared to their replacements, meaning despite having the same top speed they are significantly slower overall. Finally, by having a common fleet of the same type of train, it means that they can all be maintained together, saving huge amounts of money and resources, and also means that if one unit has to be substituted by another, there’s virtually no issues (except if an electric-only unit ends up on a non-electrified service)
It was mentioned online that the main reason for the units being replaced is that the units (due to their age) have higher maintenance costs so it would make economically sense to replace them with newer trains.
Something that I have spotted online is that with the class 91's, regardless if they are in service or not, LNER have to pay X amount per day to Eversholt Rail (who leases the units to LNER).
Whereas with the class 800/801 etc, the contract is slightly different in that Hitachi has given the responsibility to Agility Trains (who manages/maintains the 80X) so AT only takes money for trains that are available for service at start of day.
So if no 800's trains go out on the day LNER pays nothing to AT, whereas if it was the 91's LNEr would pay for all units.
Just to let you know LNER is keeping 10 sets of the mk4's (though it hasn't been confirmed if permanently though).
They might "work" per se - but they're absolutely garbage engineering and perform terribly in rail accidents. Then there's the maintenance issue, the problems with efficiency, and the fact the old trains are in a bit of a state even after the recent refurbishments. It's not like they're being scrapped though, IIRC they're being put to work on other routes..
@@streaky81 "Perform terribly in rail accidents" ? Where did you get that from?
Ronald Harmer, theres 91119
91+mk4s are sadly missed.
Get them while you can...
LNER and its predecessors ha always been a little hit and miss with duch things as catering and seat reservations. On the London - Edinburgh route in 2013, on the equivalent HST route first class, neither food nor drink was complementary - all had to be paid for.
Great video, how far did you book in advance?
About a week, but the First Class upgrade was booked 30 minutes before departure.
Why oh why is the Azuma 1st class experience such a down grade from the the mk4s and mk3s? I used to travel frequently from Leeds to Kings Cross with LNER before the 800/801s came into service and the 1st class was such a nicer experience. Better seats, better seating layout (especially on the mk4s), better at seat service and a much quieter and comfortable journey. Now i don't even bother paying the extra to travel 1st class on the Azumas' because the product you pay for really isn't worth it in my opinion.
if you think these class 91s are beautiful then take a look at the class 52 western diesel, soon change your mind, as for the seating in 1st class on your train its terrible all plastic no comfort at all.why not bring your own ration packs with you like we do.most train companys only serve tea and coffee, in the 60s we had silver service with china cups and saucers in the pullman car and decent seating !
Was your ticket checked on the train please
Nope!
10:47 the English Channel is only 21 miles long
Nice to comment in text only.
I will miss them very much
Me too!
Newton Heath?!
Mistake..... it was Heaton TMD. Hopefully he'll add an annotation, so no more of us Geordies get upset by it! :o)
Does the 125 still run?
The InterCity 125 aka HST does indeed still run, although not on LNER services. Only EMR, ScotRail and GWR still operate them, with the latter two companies only operating shortened 2+4 sets, with retrofitted sliding doors and limited to 100mph. EMR plan to replace theres over the next few years with Hitachi Class 810s
@@agent_605 I'm happy to hear they still run I was worried since the eurostar, intercity 125 and 225 are my favourites I am upset about what happened to the eurostar 373 tho
@@agent_605LNER should've kept the InterCity125 sets
@@maimadha why? they’re 45+ years old, well passed their life expectancy, and as we saw at Carmont, complete death traps in comparison to modern rolling stock. Not to mention their environmental impact thanks to them only being capable of running on diesel on the mostly electrified East Coast Main Line
Im not sure you can call that a ‘meal’ it looked tiny. Far too small. If you got a side with that or a starter it would nearly pass but that on its own is pathetic. It is the same with the west cost dinner service as well. It’s awfully small
Tips for LNER's compulsory reservation policy: no one ever gives a shit. There's never any member of staff checking. Just sit where you like.
Wish I had known...
@@SuperalbsTravels I think it was just a publicity stunt anyway
@@SuperalbsTravels Great video btw
Have heard that LNER are keeping the Class 91 Mk4s until 2023. Which is brilliant. Despite the Class 800 and Class 801 Azumas are in service.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_800
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_801
www.railmagazine.com/news/fleet/lner-to-keep-class-91s-until-2023
Yeah, glad to know they will still be about.
@@SuperalbsTravels Maybe LNER should also keep some of the Class 43 Mk3 HSTs and to use them on London Kings Cross-Scarborough service as 7-Car or 8-Car.
Those seats are horrible. Pain, pain, and more pain. The Azuma seats are so much better.
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Rail operators want to compare themselves against airlines but they fall woefully short here. Pathetic "snack" for first class. Airlines continue with a meal service during Covid, it is served at your seat and is a lot better than this. LNER could continue with the service but it appears they take the "public sector" option of finding a reason not to do so.
Those black and red seats look terrible.
This just confirms my thoughts on how utterly disappointing the 800s are. Poorly huilt with poor ride that shakes the wall panels loose. Tge interiors are a hadh stark environment with harsh lighting. There is nothing jnviting about them at all. Then there is the seats . Kne gas to wounder how they got the 800s so wrong in everg way. The worst part is the 800s are becoming the mainstay of the intercity fleets . The cost to fix them will not be cheap and in the long run will cost more than just buying a better train in the first place.
haha £69
I hope you got a refund (to second class). - it’s looked awful - blaming the “situation” yet again. No thank you, I’ll stick to second class.
Sadly not, as this is currently the advertised offer. It is a bit daft considering I have had full meals in other countries.
Worst 1st class😢😢😢😢
Try Southeastern first class. Terrible and pointless
@@aldertravels yes, on southern, its almost the same as standard
czcams.com/video/7zlGczyFsK8/video.html
i think thats the worst first class that he has done, and southern is the worst out of all