and in 2020, Toy Story 4 beat out Klaus, which in my opinion, Klaus should have won (they literally invented a whole new system to create lighting that mimicked 3D lighting but worked on 2D images for Klaus, it was an over 2yr passion project, that film is a masterpiece from start to finish) and I personally think Loving Vincent (2017) deserved the win over Coco, as Loving Vincent was made by having 125 artists paint each individual frame of the film in a style honouring Vincent Van Gogh, and it's spectacular. We can enjoy the films that didn't win, and sometimes there are multiple masterpieces in the same category (for instance, although I was thrilled Boy and the Heron won, I ADORED both Spiderverse AND Nimona) the academy awards are not the be all and end all :)
I’ve seen both. I highly disagree. The boy and the heron felt disorganized, and chaotic. Its use of animation as a storytelling medium was well done for, but the creative direction of across the spider verse simply cannot be topped.
@@BeigeNectarine then you should watch it again, The Boy and The Heron is absolutely fantastic and best when you get to watch it again since it never stales
So literally so what like actually wtf is that point are you braindead they set up another masterpiece oh no its almost like that level of animation and movie take an extreme amount of time and skill im sure those people who pretty much became slaves to make it were really happy it lost to some movie no ones heard of or seen 😥
Deserved is not the right word I would use. At the end of the day I wouldn’t mind either film winning it all. Across the spider-verse gave me my best movie going experience of that year. But boy and the heron had still thinking hard about the movie itself LONG after I had watched it. I am a Ghibli lover and to say that I wouldn’t mind if spider-verse won just speaks how great that movie is.
Aynbody is the incorrect word to use here, even though I know you're just exaggerating. My family and I thought it...fell flat. There were some pacing issues, and the plot was overall too messy. I loved the animation though, especially the first part with the crowd and the fire
"Deserved" isn't a great word. Rather, it's better to say "earned"... As in, it's up there and you could say it's understandable it's up their. But each person will have a different opinion for which film should win when you judge multiple films. Like, I personally think Spider-Verse deserved the win.... But I understand why Boy won.....
As a fan of both, I think we should celebrate Heron winning the Oscar. They both deserve countless awards for all the different reasons. I am just happy to see Miyazaki recieveing an award as huge as this after 20 years.
@@princesspikachu3915 too deep my ass it’s a fucking mid story that only the old fans of Miyazaki from 20 years or more will get the references of it. It can’t ‘depend’ on itself believe me
as someone that is a MASSIVE spiderverse fan and a MASSIVE ghbili fan and saw both films in theaters, I was so damn happy to see the boy and the heron win. it's so rare nowadays for something to win without being connected to a recognisable IP (like spiderman), being 3D animated instead of traditional 2D, or just being a disney film (I know spiderverse is sony not disney, I'm just comparing it to other oscar winners) so seeing boy and the heron win made my heart so happy :)
Are you referring to the fact that there are different categories, some for live action only and others for animation? If that's the case, I would personally argue that they need to be separate in order to better grade them. IMO, animation is too different from live action in terms of what it can do, on a capabilities standpoint. A great example of this is the recent disney live action movies. In the Aladdin movies (Live action and original) I feel there is a sense of magic and creativity that is possible in the animation that wasn't there in the live action. Same with the Lion King as well. EDIT: misunderstood comment. I interpreted it as "animation and live action deserve to be compared on the same level, as in the same category". I fully agree the academy doesn't hold animation to a high enough regard, just thought OP meant that they should be compared the same way
@@mtheoverlord7840it’s not about the categorization. Many of the judges are incredibly elitist and don’t consider animation “real cinema” as it’s usually aimed at children (codeword usually). Many judges have even said in the past that they don’t respect animation and that they didn’t even watch any of the nominees. If I remember correctly a judge even bragged about him not having watched an animated piece since he was 5 or something cus that’s when he “grew up”. That’s just how elitist they are
@@mtheoverlord7840what are you talking about? The judges on camera actually stated they vote for what their kids liked this year, they don't consider this worth their Time, as if they are important
I’m not even sure you can say that spider verse is better “animated” than the boy and the heron. Both are animated incredibly and TBATH has some absolutely jaw dropping scenes from an animation standpoint (especially the flashbacks of him running through the fire) like holy shit that is absolutely incredible animation
Yeah both are beautifully animated. One's just technically impressive since it was working against hardware and the other is impressive just because of the dicipline required to animate by hand and the complexity of the shots. Just because one's 3D and had a bunch of cool effects doesn't mean it's better animated, it's a different medium lol.
@@kingace6186 Nah using two different types of animation and trying to blend them together is jarring, not cool. It's objectively trash attempt to appeal to two different crowds at the same time when all it's really gonna do is maintain the people that enjoy both and are willing to tolerate it. Heron all the way, especially since it's all hand drawn.
The boy and the heron is literally burned into my memory after 1 viewing it has become my favorite film of all time it's like a visual poem so damn good
Ok but the animation in Boy and The Heron is straight up some of the best animation ever produced. Like ASTV was revolutionary in how it utilised tools of CGI and traditional techniques, but Boy and The Heron did those traditional techniques perhaps better than they've ever been executed before. There's something to be said for practice and some of these guys have decades of it and it showed.
Honestly they should just wrap up this whole Oscar’s thing, all these great movies and shows have a ton of effort put into them just to be used in a competition to see who’s is “better”
Not disqualified but this is a vote, and electorally speaking anny sequel has a huge disadvantage. Of course exceptions to this exist, but that’s what they are, exceptions.
@@thegammingbrojeff sry that my comment kind of implies that elemental was bad. Ngl i enjoyed it too but my actual point is there no way elemental would have won.
Knowing Miyazaki and his history in studio Ghibli, I knew the film was gonna be good as soon as I saw its trailer. I love this channel because it be spitting facts that I wish people cared to hear about
Yeah but remember that Two Towers didn't win ... Generally speaking, I think movies that kind of feel incomplete by themselves (usually the first or second in a trilogy) don't win
Oscars don't care about animated films, there were many instances where a really good film lost out to some generic kids film like Frozen. Many Oscar judges have even said they didn't watch every film on the list saw what kept their kids entertained the longest. Oscar panel is just people in Hollywood with influence like Spielberg, they are not even required to see any film to judge. Thats why films like Josee, the tiger and the fish, ride your wave, lu over the wall lost. That said the movie that deserved the Oscar was First Slam Dunk, even critics who saw the film put it above Oppenheimer and Godzilla minus one, not even animated films but the best picture for that year
Well I mostly agree but have you seen frozen? Frozen isn’t just a generic kids film it’s a genuinely great film. But otherwise I agree that the Oscar judges don’t care much for animated movies but I think there’s a shift
@@Shlonzs i have seen frozen and its stupid, the only thing they did differently is make the go against the love in first sight prince charming trope and go for sisterly bonds instead, do u even know what else came out that year? When Marnie was There, a film they completely overlooked, and didnt even nominate to top 5, it won best animated at several fests except the trashy oscars. See a review for that movie if u dont believe me. They instead selected Wind rises because its ghibli
Truee the majoraty of times they pick shit over tallent i dont think anyone watches oscars but they still pretend the whole world watches them in years, they are just pretend to be famous but no1 cares
Exactly. I am proud of Miyazaki's "last" outing. But I refuse to be gaslight about the integrity of the Oscars. It's hard to be happy about this, when this is the same award that Boss Baby stole.
Also, this was Hayo Miyazaki’s last hand drawn, animated film. This was his life work all in one. With original story telling and Easter eggs throughout the film showing each and every former work he has done.
I watched both in theaters, Into the Spiderverse on my birthday, and The Boy And The Heron just recently. I cried at the end, Hayao Miyazaki has left us with a great film as his retirement gift to us.
I actually saw The Boy And The Heron got lost a few times, but the world building was beautiful and the deep theme of it. I saw Spider-Verse and before and thought if there was a movie who could have beaten it I would have chosen The Boy And The Heron.
Been a fan of Miyazaki and Ghibli since a trip to Japan in 1994 and say Kaze No Tani No Nausicaa in a theatre. His, and his studio's work are always winners.
Oscar's still Rigged though, Sharktale Winning against the Incredibles comfirms it The Judges literally say they vote for what their Kids liked, They think Animation is only for Kids and think that it isn't worth their time. Which they are totally so important
To be fair I don't think that's a good point because both Toy Story 3 and 4 also won best animated despite being sequels. Also Return of the King won best picture also despite being a sequel. As someone whose favorite film of last year was Spider-verse, the Boy and The Heron was also just as phenomenal and 100% earned itself the award.
True but you also have to factor in Across is the first part of a two part movie like the Deathly Hallows. So it would basically be critiquing the first half of a play
For the most part I'd agree with you on this, but I seriously doubt Studio Ghibli could out pay Sony, and this award this year specifically was an exception to that rule. The Boy and the Heron is a masterpiece of animation, well deserving of the award Despite the influence peddling of Sony and other major studios.
generally speaking I'd agree, but since the winner for best animated wasn't a Disney / American studio (the last time a non North American / European film won best animated was Spirited Away in 2003) it does feel different having it win. I don't usually care about who wins best animated (it's the only category I follow tbh lmao) but it made me so happy to hear the news this year, it's a big change from the usual (the usual being "oh look, Disney won....... again....")
@@voidmaticWas gonna put a comment saying disney doesn’t win that much but looking at the last 12ish almost all were actually Disney except 3 or 4. At least they have won only half of the last 6 which isn’t to much considering the streak they were on since Rango
Honestly that’s a pretty dumb excuse for it not winning animated film. That’s literally saying any sequel is guaranteed to not win best film or animated film, it’s dumb. A story doesn’t have to stand on its own for it to be called a good or a best work of the year. I still think Heron and the Boy wins tho, the ending and fire scene was straight cinematic
Well spiderverse would have won if it wasn’t up against a film directed by one of the best directors of all times (not only animation…) but it still was close
It’s best animated film, as in best film the is animated not best animation in a film. Any sequel that hopes to win that category needs to hold its own in story telling without constantly falling back on a different film.
A film absolutely needs to stand on its own. That is not to say that a sequel can't do that but not all of them do. many sequels rely on the first film to feel like complete films.
That is no where near what it’s saying because it didn’t win. The boy & the heron won because it did something just as well as the spider man movie & if not better. Try expanding your shitty palette instead of only wanting mainstream garbage to win all the time. I highly guarantee you never even watched The Boy & the Heron. Lmfao
The Boy and the Heron was a Fantastic movie. One of the Few movies in the last few years I went out of my way, Drove 40 miles outside of town, to go see in theaters. I also loved Across the Spiderverse. But as a stand alone movie. Yeah The Boy and the Heron was the best I have seen in an animated movie in a long time.
@@GrandmasfavoritSome are rather cozy, but they aren’t for everyone. A fair chunk of them don’t really have much of an ongoing plot, they’re an experience. So for someone looking for a particular narrative there isn’t much to follow. Others do have a plot with their own message/symbolism, but they can be rather boring with uninteresting antagonists and conflicts. I thought Princess Mononoke and Nausicaa both had this nature theming and I didn’t like either. They were uninteresting with bland protagonists. Their scores were pretty forgettable, and they look nice, but have few sequences that you go back to.
i love the boy and the Heron!!!❤❤❤ this film was one of the most mind changing thingn i have ever seen... this film provoked many emotions and thoughts in me... im crying every time wen i start watching a studio Ghibli movie!!! ❤
I mean it's a miyazaki movie and by ghibli no less, I think those 2 names alone wins them the oscar. Edit - Thanks for all the likes guys, its the first time I have gotten this many..
@@vaalence9043 idk how to spell his first name but Haoyo Miyazaki is one of the most prolific anime directors of our time, Google him. I don’t *think* he’s the same as the FromSoftware one but he might be? But Miyazaki made Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Nazuka and the Valley of the Wind, Howls Moving Castle, and Ponyo, some of the best films, and certainly anime films, ever.
@@artandstuffproductions3640 Thank you! No it's not the same Miyazaki. But I've definitely heard of most of the animations you've mentioned, even if I haven't seen any of them. I've only heard good things about those movies, too.
The only ghibli movie I’ve ever seen is Howls Moving Castle, which was frankly incoherent and I didn’t understand a second of it. Granted, I was like 12 at the time, but still.
I've watched other films from the folks who made The Boy and The Heron, and lemme tell ya, they sure as hell know how to write something that will *_STRAIGHT-UP DROPKICK YOU IN THE FEELS 💀_*
True, I would say this. If there wasn’t superhero fatigue would you say the same thing? Another point, each film is amazing, but Spiderverse evoked so much out of me. As a film student watching the techniques of animation blending with the music and story so well blew me away for both. I’ll just say I think the fact that Spiderverse is one of the ONLY times I’ve ever felt like I was watching a comic. Not from the pages directly. But from that little movie that plays in your head when you read. It was like being able to take my 8yo brain reading comics and watch it. I know not everyone will agree, but Spiderverse made me cry every times I’ve watched it.
@@johncrichterEXACTLY!!! Like, the boy and the heron was amazing, but, especially as someone interested in animation (and hopefully one one day), I can't see how something as groundbreaking as atsv didn't win...
I agree. It lacked symbolism and a powerful message (that almost all of the other studio ghibli movies had) but the story and the animation were really good
@@simonduchaine-morneau9426I thought it had a great and powerful message of grief, moving on, and saying goodbye and leaving everything in the hands of the next generation.
The boy and the heron is a masterpiece and you should watch it. The story that it tell and metaphors to Hayao Miyazaki’s journey as a creator, the music, the animation are all absolutely amazing.
yes and no. In my opinion (as someone who has been interested in being an animator since I was 8, and nearly 20 years later has spent most of my life passionate about animation) I think it moreso has to do with IPs. an IP (like Spiderman for instance) has a far greater chance of winning over an original film like Boy and the Heron. Also, a bigger name studio like Disney or Dreamworks (tho Disney more than anyone, even tho in this case it's odd, since Disney owns Marvel who created Spiderman, but Sony owns Spiderman and made Spiderverse) have a higher chance to win. Also, aside from Spirited Away in 2003, no animated feature films produced outside of North America / Europe have won.
The First Slam Dunk should've won best animated and be nominated for best picture, it was a masterpiece. It blew up in Japan and Korea, made all it's money from those regions and absolutely made me cry. Chris Stuckmann the film critic gave it his highest honors above Oppenheimer
I haven’t seen the boy and the heron yet but I have complete faith that it’s going to be amazing and life changing. It’s a Miyazaki, they’re always stellar
Lowkey feel like thats a bad argument lol Sequels can definitely stand on their own two feet, hell Across literally tells you what happened in the last film for the most part so you dont need to see ITSV. It lost cuz it lost and i doubt his reasoning were the judge's
Also, saying you feel lost in a movie is one of the reasons for the rating, comparing it to a confusing drug trip with terrible pacing ain’t the best argument.
Listen here, the boy and the heron is better animated and the story is better told than 90 percent of modern day animation. That’s why it was elected instead of Spider-Man.
Across the Spiderverse was amazing though. Creativity was off the charts. Can't wait for the last one. Also I can't believe I missed a Miyazaki movie 😭
Hayao Miyazaki known as using hand drawn in all of his films he working it all hard It's like HAND drawings versus AI drawings. Still Hand Drawn Wins Hayao Miyazaki Deserve it ❤❤❤
maybe the animation in Spiderverse is better technically, but the boy and the heron is such a beautiful and visually interesting film. the scene in the beginning with the fire left me speechless and that isnt even mentioning the crazy alice in wonderland shit that happens later in the story. the floating star spirits made me cry by aesthetic alone
Thank you. SO many more people need to realize that "good films" have an actual checklist they need to follow. Standing independently as a film is one of the biggest!
Also The Boy and the Heron feels like a complete story unlike Across the Spider-Verse, which had one hell of an open cliffhanger that it held the movie back from being my number one movie of the year
I actually watched The Boy and The Haron and for some reason, it was one of my least favorite of Miyazaki’s films. Took my girlfriend to see it opening weekend. Both us and the audience were all a little confused with how the story played out. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something disconnected me from this one.
From what I remember, the story is a telling of Miyazaki's friend from his childhood. The movie has a lot of undertones about the past, and how we grow from it.
I saw both Boy and the Heron and Across the Spider-Verse and I can say that Spider-Verse was without a doubt the better movie. Its story was more emotionally impactful and the animation was much better than Boy and the Heron. The mere fact that Across the Spider-Verse is a sequel shouldn’t stop it from winning awards.
Spider-verse animation staff should still see this as a dub. Imagine getting nominated alongside one of the literal GOATs of animation and losing to him. I’d be ecstatic tbh.
The Oscars are rigged, "A Silent Voice" lost to "Boss Baby"
Yet, people bend over backwards to defend the Oscars year after year. Crazy.
and in 2020, Toy Story 4 beat out Klaus, which in my opinion, Klaus should have won (they literally invented a whole new system to create lighting that mimicked 3D lighting but worked on 2D images for Klaus, it was an over 2yr passion project, that film is a masterpiece from start to finish) and I personally think Loving Vincent (2017) deserved the win over Coco, as Loving Vincent was made by having 125 artists paint each individual frame of the film in a style honouring Vincent Van Gogh, and it's spectacular. We can enjoy the films that didn't win, and sometimes there are multiple masterpieces in the same category (for instance, although I was thrilled Boy and the Heron won, I ADORED both Spiderverse AND Nimona) the academy awards are not the be all and end all :)
Bro a silent voice is one of my favorite movies, I didn't know it came out then, definitely rigged
Bro what!? that's crazy
dmn i had forgotten how sad that me.
Honestly, this guy is speaking facts and I haven't seen The Boy and the Heron
I’ve seen both. I highly disagree. The boy and the heron felt disorganized, and chaotic. Its use of animation as a storytelling medium was well done for, but the creative direction of across the spider verse simply cannot be topped.
@@BeigeNectarine I've seen both too and I personally prefer The Boy and the Heron. ATSV is good but I so prefer the other.
@@BeigeNectarine then you should watch it again, The Boy and The Heron is absolutely fantastic and best when you get to watch it again since it never stales
@@BeigeNectarineretarded take
@@BeigeNectarine well spider man is sequel and boy and the heron is independent and new story
And the other fact is that the Across The Spiderverse story was not completed since the ending was a cliffhanger
I mean it still had character arcs, it’s just the big story isn’t over yet. I really don’t understand why people had such a big problem with it.
Cliffhanger, not a hangover.
@@AstroKepler09 ok
So literally so what like actually wtf is that point are you braindead they set up another masterpiece oh no its almost like that level of animation and movie take an extreme amount of time and skill im sure those people who pretty much became slaves to make it were really happy it lost to some movie no ones heard of or seen 😥
@@marnibmarnib9760 hangover is crazy 😭
Anybody who saw both knows The Boy and the Heron deserved that win, it was a phenomenal, beautiful movie
Deserved is not the right word I would use. At the end of the day I wouldn’t mind either film winning it all. Across the spider-verse gave me my best movie going experience of that year. But boy and the heron had still thinking hard about the movie itself LONG after I had watched it. I am a Ghibli lover and to say that I wouldn’t mind if spider-verse won just speaks how great that movie is.
Aynbody is the incorrect word to use here, even though I know you're just exaggerating. My family and I thought it...fell flat. There were some pacing issues, and the plot was overall too messy. I loved the animation though, especially the first part with the crowd and the fire
Boy and the haring great animation god awful plot
"Deserved" isn't a great word.
Rather, it's better to say "earned"...
As in, it's up there and you could say it's understandable it's up their.
But each person will have a different opinion for which film should win when you judge multiple films.
Like, I personally think Spider-Verse deserved the win....
But I understand why Boy won.....
That’s cap
The boy and the heron was a great film, voice casting was definitely on point too
"MA-HI-TOO" -Batman
It was a fever dream and I didn't enjoy it because of that... :/
Like nothing makes sence and it's all hella confusing.
This is ghiblis weakest movie.
@@schokodeuli skill issue.
Is that a guts pfp? Love it!
@@schokodeuli you could make the same case for spirited away if being a fever dream makes it a bad movie
As a fan of both, I think we should celebrate Heron winning the Oscar. They both deserve countless awards for all the different reasons. I am just happy to see Miyazaki recieveing an award as huge as this after 20 years.
Harron's animation was good but story is overcomplex and meaningless
@@user-ut4ow6gw5h spiderverse has a shit story, it only runs on hype
feels like its a bit high iq for someone@@user-ut4ow6gw5h
@@user-ut4ow6gw5hOver complex but not without meaning. It was just too deep for you.
@@princesspikachu3915 too deep my ass it’s a fucking mid story that only the old fans of Miyazaki from 20 years or more will get the references of it. It can’t ‘depend’ on itself believe me
as someone that is a MASSIVE spiderverse fan and a MASSIVE ghbili fan and saw both films in theaters, I was so damn happy to see the boy and the heron win. it's so rare nowadays for something to win without being connected to a recognisable IP (like spiderman), being 3D animated instead of traditional 2D, or just being a disney film (I know spiderverse is sony not disney, I'm just comparing it to other oscar winners) so seeing boy and the heron win made my heart so happy :)
There's only one answer to that "hayao Miyazaki".
Honestly good for Boy and the Heron. It’s clear the creator was super passionate about it and it has an incredible story telling
Huge understatement but yeah
Well Hayao Miyazaki did legit come back from retirement to make it.
@@zeldaweeb1738as he did for Spirited Away, which also won an oscar.
@@MinatheRaichu Sure but this is a 20 year difference in age.
@@zeldaweeb1738 yeah, I'm just saying. Inspiration and passion pay off, and other people will recognize and be touched by it
the oscars suck for basically refusing to consider animated films on the same level as live-action.
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Are you referring to the fact that there are different categories, some for live action only and others for animation?
If that's the case, I would personally argue that they need to be separate in order to better grade them. IMO, animation is too different from live action in terms of what it can do, on a capabilities standpoint. A great example of this is the recent disney live action movies. In the Aladdin movies (Live action and original) I feel there is a sense of magic and creativity that is possible in the animation that wasn't there in the live action. Same with the Lion King as well.
EDIT: misunderstood comment. I interpreted it as "animation and live action deserve to be compared on the same level, as in the same category". I fully agree the academy doesn't hold animation to a high enough regard, just thought OP meant that they should be compared the same way
I think in general the oscars suck
@@mtheoverlord7840it’s not about the categorization. Many of the judges are incredibly elitist and don’t consider animation “real cinema” as it’s usually aimed at children (codeword usually). Many judges have even said in the past that they don’t respect animation and that they didn’t even watch any of the nominees. If I remember correctly a judge even bragged about him not having watched an animated piece since he was 5 or something cus that’s when he “grew up”. That’s just how elitist they are
@@mtheoverlord7840what are you talking about?
The judges on camera actually stated they vote for what their kids liked this year, they don't consider this worth their Time, as if they are important
I was surprised but i remembered how much i adored Ghibli movies
The boy and the heron is the best movie I’ve watched in the past year
I’m not even sure you can say that spider verse is better “animated” than the boy and the heron. Both are animated incredibly and TBATH has some absolutely jaw dropping scenes from an animation standpoint (especially the flashbacks of him running through the fire) like holy shit that is absolutely incredible animation
Yeah both are beautifully animated. One's just technically impressive since it was working against hardware and the other is impressive just because of the dicipline required to animate by hand and the complexity of the shots. Just because one's 3D and had a bunch of cool effects doesn't mean it's better animated, it's a different medium lol.
Okay this is just no starter. ATSV is objective better animated, they blend 2D and 3D perfectly. Even though it was accused of being "only CGI".
@@kingace6186 I don’t think you know what you’re talking about lol
@@kingace6186 Nah using two different types of animation and trying to blend them together is jarring, not cool. It's objectively trash attempt to appeal to two different crowds at the same time when all it's really gonna do is maintain the people that enjoy both and are willing to tolerate it. Heron all the way, especially since it's all hand drawn.
nah, i watched both and as much as i liked boy and the heron, atsv is simply better animated and amazingly unique.
The boy and the heron is literally burned into my memory after 1 viewing it has become my favorite film of all time it's like a visual poem so damn good
I’ve only seen it once and cant wait to buy it when it comes out.
The Boy and The Heron Bluray drops July 9th. i will be picking up a copy for sure. if this is truly Miyazaki-san's swan song, what a way to go out
Boy and the heron was honestly one of the best Studio Ghibli films in a hot minute
The boy and the heron, literally one of the best movies. A good breath of fresh air after whatever WISH was
That’s a pretty low bar to surpass so
Ok but the animation in Boy and The Heron is straight up some of the best animation ever produced.
Like ASTV was revolutionary in how it utilised tools of CGI and traditional techniques, but Boy and The Heron did those traditional techniques perhaps better than they've ever been executed before.
There's something to be said for practice and some of these guys have decades of it and it showed.
Animes have been either successfully using 2D and 3D animation for a little more than decade now.
@benpurcell4935 2D yes, 3D... ehhhhhh
My sister died before The Boy and The Heron came out. I remember sitting through the credits song crying as the lyrics were being sung
Honestly they should just wrap up this whole Oscar’s thing, all these great movies and shows have a ton of effort put into them just to be used in a competition to see who’s is “better”
The Oscars have been wrong ever since "A Silent Voice" lost to "Boss Baby"
If that's the case, any sequel is automatically disqualified
Not disqualified but this is a vote, and electorally speaking anny sequel has a huge disadvantage.
Of course exceptions to this exist, but that’s what they are, exceptions.
There's some movie sequels that stand on there own and take place at the same time the first took place but just a different story
@@pimplepanda1932good example would be puss in boots: the last wish
Which is not only a sequal, but the sequal of a spin off
Not always. At least two sequels have won the Oscar for Best Picture (Godfather 2 and Return of the King.)
@@dominiklange8382 you're so right, oooo what about Tokyo Drift although I'm pretty sure it's the third movie
Edit: I said vin instead of I'm
I would get mad if any other animation got the oscar from spiderman, but the boy and the heron is the only exception
Imagine if elemental has won it lmao
@@Jhollmomo hot take I finally gave in and watched it and elemental wasn't that bad it was actually pretty good
@@thegammingbrojeff sry that my comment kind of implies that elemental was bad. Ngl i enjoyed it too but my actual point is there no way elemental would have won.
@@Jhollmomo oh for sure
Pixar has dropped off hard and other studios have really upped their game
It being a sequel is a benefit, not a downside. Its greatness is 2 fold.
Why do the Oscar’s hate sequels
Knowing Miyazaki and his history in studio Ghibli, I knew the film was gonna be good as soon as I saw its trailer. I love this channel because it be spitting facts that I wish people cared to hear about
Knowing that Miyazaki was coming out of retirement to help make the film helped also
Same, its just that the Only L about the Video is him defending the Oscars
Went to see boy and the heron with my sister awhile ago. It was an incredible movie
Glad you liked it, I give it a 5/10
For miyazaki it was like a 5/10, the locations were confusing.
Absolutely not his best work. 5/10
so funny. Definitely his best work so far.
I mean hey Hayao Miyazaki came back from retirement to make it because Goro Miyazaki’s movies were kinda tossing Ghibli down the drain.
The fact that neither of the trilogies of how to train your dragon and king fu panda won an Oscar shows how rigged it is
Fuckin love this guy. Very down to earth respectful and mature. All attributes many influencers are missing.
2003 Return of the King best picture win is sweating bullets rn
Why is that, Emo Hashira?
Because it is a sequelv@@BigasBorba
@@CollinHagemeier I know, I just wanted to say Emo Hashira
@@BigasBorba straight up thought you said “Elmo” and not emo and I was so confused
Yeah but remember that Two Towers didn't win ... Generally speaking, I think movies that kind of feel incomplete by themselves (usually the first or second in a trilogy) don't win
" ugh.....No..."
LMAO
It was amazing. The story, the voice acting. The message.
The Oscars are rigged, "Oppenheimer" lost to "Barbie"
Oscars don't care about animated films, there were many instances where a really good film lost out to some generic kids film like Frozen. Many Oscar judges have even said they didn't watch every film on the list saw what kept their kids entertained the longest. Oscar panel is just people in Hollywood with influence like Spielberg, they are not even required to see any film to judge. Thats why films like Josee, the tiger and the fish, ride your wave, lu over the wall lost.
That said the movie that deserved the Oscar was First Slam Dunk, even critics who saw the film put it above Oppenheimer and Godzilla minus one, not even animated films but the best picture for that year
They also arnt the biggest fans of superhero films
Boy and the Heron was still a very good film. ATSV was also good, but they’ll take a standalone over a sequel in many cases
@@XariaSilver-zn1bc oh yeah definitely
Well I mostly agree but have you seen frozen? Frozen isn’t just a generic kids film it’s a genuinely great film.
But otherwise I agree that the Oscar judges don’t care much for animated movies but I think there’s a shift
@@Shlonzs i have seen frozen and its stupid, the only thing they did differently is make the go against the love in first sight prince charming trope and go for sisterly bonds instead, do u even know what else came out that year? When Marnie was There, a film they completely overlooked, and didnt even nominate to top 5, it won best animated at several fests except the trashy oscars. See a review for that movie if u dont believe me. They instead selected Wind rises because its ghibli
no need to defend the oscars. even if they are right this time they'll be wrong 9 times more before they get it right again.
Truee the majoraty of times they pick shit over tallent i dont think anyone watches oscars but they still pretend the whole world watches them in years, they are just pretend to be famous but no1 cares
Doesn't change the fact that they were right this one time tho? Its a very rare W, but still one nonetheless.
Oscars has been mostly good 2 yrs in a row
Have you seen what’s won best picture in the last 5 years lmao the Oscars are a joke (idc about Spider-Man)
Exactly. I am proud of Miyazaki's "last" outing. But I refuse to be gaslight about the integrity of the Oscars. It's hard to be happy about this, when this is the same award that Boss Baby stole.
The boy and the heron is one of my favorite ghibli films, it does get hard to understand the story at times but you slowly piece everything together.
Also, this was Hayo Miyazaki’s last hand drawn, animated film. This was his life work all in one. With original story telling and Easter eggs throughout the film showing each and every former work he has done.
I watched both in theaters, Into the Spiderverse on my birthday, and The Boy And The Heron just recently. I cried at the end, Hayao Miyazaki has left us with a great film as his retirement gift to us.
I hope he’s lying about it like the last time but it’s unlikely he’s getting older 😢
@@CrackedPropane He said he is not retiring again, although the problem is that if is going to be able to finish his next movie
The “90s” animation still holds up.
They’re both amazing films, and should both be celebrated as amazing examples of what animation and its storytelling can and should be
I actually saw The Boy And The Heron got lost a few times, but the world building was beautiful and the deep theme of it. I saw Spider-Verse and before and thought if there was a movie who could have beaten it I would have chosen The Boy And The Heron.
I absolutley love the animation style of studio ghibli movies its just so nice and calming
“That crap 90 animation” 😶
Ikr those fighting words
Compared to spider verse? Yeah that animation was way outdated
@@wake6000compared to the Technicolor vomit that Across the Spider verse was? The Boy and The Heron was a god damn Rembrandt
@@ellingtonmoose3274what are you some kind of pin head?
The look of the animation is definitely heavily influenced by the 80’s and 90’s era of anime animation.
Anything ghibli animated is worth every pound or dollar and every hour spent, i haven't seen it fully but seen a few scenes that were amazing
Been a fan of Miyazaki and Ghibli since a trip to Japan in 1994 and say Kaze No Tani No Nausicaa in a theatre. His, and his studio's work are always winners.
The boy and the heron was so batshit insane I love it
"Did you even see The Boy And The Heron?"
"Um no?"
Explains a lot.
Oscar's still Rigged though, Sharktale Winning against the Incredibles comfirms it
The Judges literally say they vote for what their Kids liked, They think Animation is only for Kids and think that it isn't worth their time. Which they are totally so important
To be fair I don't think that's a good point because both Toy Story 3 and 4 also won best animated despite being sequels. Also Return of the King won best picture also despite being a sequel. As someone whose favorite film of last year was Spider-verse, the Boy and The Heron was also just as phenomenal and 100% earned itself the award.
True but you also have to factor in Across is the first part of a two part movie like the Deathly Hallows. So it would basically be critiquing the first half of a play
Spiderman across the Spider Verse does have good animation, but The Boy and the Heron may have descent animation and the story is a masterpiece.
Hearing the fact that Spider-Man into the spider verse was made in 2018 hit me with so much reality of how fast time flew by.
are Oscar awards even worth something these days? Literally whoever throws in the most money and influence literally gets top awards.
For the most part I'd agree with you on this, but I seriously doubt Studio Ghibli could out pay Sony, and this award this year specifically was an exception to that rule. The Boy and the Heron is a masterpiece of animation, well deserving of the award Despite the influence peddling of Sony and other major studios.
generally speaking I'd agree, but since the winner for best animated wasn't a Disney / American studio (the last time a non North American / European film won best animated was Spirited Away in 2003) it does feel different having it win. I don't usually care about who wins best animated (it's the only category I follow tbh lmao) but it made me so happy to hear the news this year, it's a big change from the usual (the usual being "oh look, Disney won....... again....")
@@voidmaticWas gonna put a comment saying disney doesn’t win that much but looking at the last 12ish almost all were actually Disney except 3 or 4. At least they have won only half of the last 6 which isn’t to much considering the streak they were on since Rango
Honestly that’s a pretty dumb excuse for it not winning animated film. That’s literally saying any sequel is guaranteed to not win best film or animated film, it’s dumb. A story doesn’t have to stand on its own for it to be called a good or a best work of the year. I still think Heron and the Boy wins tho, the ending and fire scene was straight cinematic
Well spiderverse would have won if it wasn’t up against a film directed by one of the best directors of all times (not only animation…) but it still was close
It’s best animated film, as in best film the is animated not best animation in a film. Any sequel that hopes to win that category needs to hold its own in story telling without constantly falling back on a different film.
A film absolutely needs to stand on its own. That is not to say that a sequel can't do that but not all of them do. many sequels rely on the first film to feel like complete films.
That is no where near what it’s saying because it didn’t win. The boy & the heron won because it did something just as well as the spider man movie & if not better. Try expanding your shitty palette instead of only wanting mainstream garbage to win all the time. I highly guarantee you never even watched The Boy & the Heron. Lmfao
Found the spider fan boy coping.
This is also the reason why a 70 year old giant monster franchise won an oscar
ASTV should have been nominated for more stuff than just best animated film. Like music, acting, directing.
The Boy and the Heron was a Fantastic movie. One of the Few movies in the last few years I went out of my way, Drove 40 miles outside of town, to go see in theaters. I also loved Across the Spiderverse. But as a stand alone movie. Yeah The Boy and the Heron was the best I have seen in an animated movie in a long time.
The boy and the heron was amazing, honestly all the ghiblis are amazing
Nah
@@whereami7586 wdym nah??
@@Grandmasfavorit ghilbi movies are boring
@@whereami7586 That just proves you can't appreciate great films
@@GrandmasfavoritSome are rather cozy, but they aren’t for everyone. A fair chunk of them don’t really have much of an ongoing plot, they’re an experience. So for someone looking for a particular narrative there isn’t much to follow.
Others do have a plot with their own message/symbolism, but they can be rather boring with uninteresting antagonists and conflicts. I thought Princess Mononoke and Nausicaa both had this nature theming and I didn’t like either. They were uninteresting with bland protagonists. Their scores were pretty forgettable, and they look nice, but have few sequences that you go back to.
The boy and the heron was goated. No weird underage nonsense just a really good story about a kid coping with his mothers death.
i love the boy and the Heron!!!❤❤❤ this film was one of the most mind changing thingn i have ever seen... this film provoked many emotions and thoughts in me... im crying every time wen i start watching a studio Ghibli movie!!! ❤
I mean it's a miyazaki movie and by ghibli no less, I think those 2 names alone wins them the oscar.
Edit - Thanks for all the likes guys, its the first time I have gotten this many..
Do you mean Miyazaki from FromSoftware or somebody else?
@@vaalence9043 idk how to spell his first name but Haoyo Miyazaki is one of the most prolific anime directors of our time, Google him. I don’t *think* he’s the same as the FromSoftware one but he might be? But Miyazaki made Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Nazuka and the Valley of the Wind, Howls Moving Castle, and Ponyo, some of the best films, and certainly anime films, ever.
@@artandstuffproductions3640 Thank you! No it's not the same Miyazaki. But I've definitely heard of most of the animations you've mentioned, even if I haven't seen any of them. I've only heard good things about those movies, too.
No I doesn’t, what wins an Oscar is a good film
The only ghibli movie I’ve ever seen is Howls Moving Castle, which was frankly incoherent and I didn’t understand a second of it.
Granted, I was like 12 at the time, but still.
I've watched other films from the folks who made The Boy and The Heron, and lemme tell ya, they sure as hell know how to write something that will *_STRAIGHT-UP DROPKICK YOU IN THE FEELS 💀_*
In any other year Across the Spiderverse would've won but it come out in the same year as a Hayao Miyazaki masterpiece
the meat riding for the boy and the heron is CRAAAZZYY bro no way
I really need to catch up with all the ghibli films
Best animated film not best animation there's a difference 😅
Yeah, it’s best animated FILM, not BEST ANIMATED film 😂😂
True, I would say this. If there wasn’t superhero fatigue would you say the same thing?
Another point, each film is amazing, but Spiderverse evoked so much out of me. As a film student watching the techniques of animation blending with the music and story so well blew me away for both. I’ll just say I think the fact that Spiderverse is one of the ONLY times I’ve ever felt like I was watching a comic. Not from the pages directly. But from that little movie that plays in your head when you read. It was like being able to take my 8yo brain reading comics and watch it. I know not everyone will agree, but Spiderverse made me cry every times I’ve watched it.
@@johncrichterEXACTLY!!! Like, the boy and the heron was amazing, but, especially as someone interested in animation (and hopefully one one day), I can't see how something as groundbreaking as atsv didn't win...
@@johncrichter the boy and the heron had better animation !
@@alphalupy its not grounbreaking when its a sequel and the first movie did not invent that style either get real
The producer of both Spider verse movies explicitly said: "If you're going to lose, it might as well be to the GOAT [H. Miyazaki]."
Honestly I’d say they they’re even on terms of animation. Both are visually incredible
Definitely a case of amazing animation in there own ways
How could you possibly be qualified to judge an animated sequel when you haven't even watched the first one
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They watched the 1st one(probably as it one an Oscar)
They Just thought one was better than the other
Because it isnt the spider-verse franchise being ranked. Even if you did watch the first one, you cant use it to help judge the 2nd one.
The Boy and The Heron was a great film when I watched it. Not my favorite studio Ghibli film, but it’s still definitely worth watching.
I agree. It lacked symbolism and a powerful message (that almost all of the other studio ghibli movies had) but the story and the animation were really good
@@simonduchaine-morneau9426I thought it had a great and powerful message of grief, moving on, and saying goodbye and leaving everything in the hands of the next generation.
@@alaina4070Sounds like a good message, although reminds me of Naruto or something. XD
That’s why I believe there should be more oscar categories for animated films other than “best”
Also Across the Spiderverse is not a finished movie. The ending screams ‘THE END BYE!’ So suddenly it gave me whiplash
The boy and the heron is a masterpiece and you should watch it. The story that it tell and metaphors to Hayao Miyazaki’s journey as a creator, the music, the animation are all absolutely amazing.
The boy and the heron is a Beautifully, animated movie! Honestly both movies are spectacular works of art!
We also gotta factor in that Across the Spiderverse is basically half a movie, it ends right before the crescendo
I loved the boy and the heron, and I’m glad I finally found someone reasonable that doesn’t think the Oscar’s are rigged.
As a person who knows jack about how any of this works, doesn't this make every sequel animated movie harder to compete?
yes and no. In my opinion (as someone who has been interested in being an animator since I was 8, and nearly 20 years later has spent most of my life passionate about animation) I think it moreso has to do with IPs. an IP (like Spiderman for instance) has a far greater chance of winning over an original film like Boy and the Heron. Also, a bigger name studio like Disney or Dreamworks (tho Disney more than anyone, even tho in this case it's odd, since Disney owns Marvel who created Spiderman, but Sony owns Spiderman and made Spiderverse) have a higher chance to win. Also, aside from Spirited Away in 2003, no animated feature films produced outside of North America / Europe have won.
The First Slam Dunk should've won best animated and be nominated for best picture, it was a masterpiece. It blew up in Japan and Korea, made all it's money from those regions and absolutely made me cry.
Chris Stuckmann the film critic gave it his highest honors above Oppenheimer
Return of the king winning all the Oscars has entered the chat.
I haven’t seen the boy and the heron yet but I have complete faith that it’s going to be amazing and life changing. It’s a Miyazaki, they’re always stellar
Well Across the Spiderverse was the best animated movie of all time and the boy and heron was the weakest Ghibli film.
(Both masterpieces)
You are right!
Hard agree
Lowkey feel like thats a bad argument lol
Sequels can definitely stand on their own two feet, hell Across literally tells you what happened in the last film for the most part so you dont need to see ITSV. It lost cuz it lost and i doubt his reasoning were the judge's
Also, saying you feel lost in a movie is one of the reasons for the rating, comparing it to a confusing drug trip with terrible pacing ain’t the best argument.
Nobody is saying that a sequel can not stand alone as a film. You jsut created a straw man to beat down.
I would say it more has to do this was act one of a two part film similar to The Deathly Hallows or Infinity Wars and Endgame.
This guy is literally just a channel of those arguments you make up in the shower
I thought Across the Spiderverse was a shoe in for the Oscars until I saw the trailer for The Boy and the Heron.
So, sequels shouldn’t be allowed to win awards… because they’re sequels???
That’s dumb reasoning
@justadummy8076
the sequel needs to be able watched without the first movie, for some dumb reason.
@@chongwillson972 literally, like whats even the point of nominating sequels then 😂
Listen here, the boy and the heron is better animated and the story is better told than 90 percent of modern day animation. That’s why it was elected instead of Spider-Man.
@@chrishinderyckxits not about story its about the animation, cause wallace and gromit won over howl's miving castle.
Across the Spiderverse was amazing though. Creativity was off the charts. Can't wait for the last one.
Also I can't believe I missed a Miyazaki movie 😭
The award is not for the BEST ANIMATED film, but for best ANIMATED FILM. That's a subtle difference 😅
"Your haircut if you scroll" ahh hair 💀
Hayao Miyazaki known as using hand drawn in all of his films he working it all hard
It's like HAND drawings versus AI drawings. Still Hand Drawn Wins
Hayao Miyazaki Deserve it ❤❤❤
Across the Spider Verse is a mix of 3D and 2D animation.
Im ok with the boy and the heron winning, but I really wanted Nimona to won TuT
Nimona is way better than
Both studios had 1 award before this year
The Oscars when "Beauty and the Beast" got nominated for Best Picture in 1992: *We can't allow that again*
“Um no”
I’ll just shove his face right on the tv screen and start playing the boy and the heron
maybe the animation in Spiderverse is better technically, but the boy and the heron is such a beautiful and visually interesting film. the scene in the beginning with the fire left me speechless and that isnt even mentioning the crazy alice in wonderland shit that happens later in the story. the floating star spirits made me cry by aesthetic alone
Thank you. SO many more people need to realize that "good films" have an actual checklist they need to follow. Standing independently as a film is one of the biggest!
Also The Boy and the Heron feels like a complete story unlike Across the Spider-Verse, which had one hell of an open cliffhanger that it held the movie back from being my number one movie of the year
I actually watched The Boy and The Haron and for some reason, it was one of my least favorite of Miyazaki’s films. Took my girlfriend to see it opening weekend. Both us and the audience were all a little confused with how the story played out. I can’t quite put my finger on it, but something disconnected me from this one.
From what I remember, the story is a telling of Miyazaki's friend from his childhood. The movie has a lot of undertones about the past, and how we grow from it.
Thank You Given a good explanation on why across the spiderverse is a good sequel but the boy and the heron is a better experience and movie ❤
I saw both Boy and the Heron and Across the Spider-Verse and I can say that Spider-Verse was without a doubt the better movie.
Its story was more emotionally impactful and the animation was much better than Boy and the Heron. The mere fact that Across the Spider-Verse is a sequel shouldn’t stop it from winning awards.
You can argue the Boy and the Heron is a more complete story, but atsv is the definition of "experience".
Comparing the animation of the boy and the heron to spiderverse is wild. Theyre both so different and so good in really different ways.
Sequels should not be put at that kind of disadvantage for awards so long as the first ones aren’t crap
Spider-Man was robbed not just once, but twice within the span of a year....
How so
Lies of p>>>>>Spider man 2
@@otakugigachad1844offbrand bloodborne is no better than spider man 2😂😂
@@cosmicobsidian672 🥱
I’ll die on the hill that across the spider verse was the best animated movie I’ve ever seen
The animation and story was beautifully done
Spider-verse animation staff should still see this as a dub.
Imagine getting nominated alongside one of the literal GOATs of animation and losing to him. I’d be ecstatic tbh.
Boy and the Heron probably one of the best films I've ever seen ngl