The Most Important Room In Dragon Age: Inquisition
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2020
- A meta video about the most important room in DA3 in order to understand DA4. Sorry if I ramble, this is more of a rant video and I didn't write it beforehand.
Some footage borrowed from this very helpful video, thank you for not making me go back and film it myself. • Solas Romance - Post-W... - Hry
This game came out 6 years ago and I’m still learning new secrets! 🤯
Lol when a game came out doesnt show how many secrets it has
Same!
Try Witcher 3
Six years...
Corseque: goes back to flooded ruins, sees rubble, yeets it out of the way and voila Most Important Room. Me (despite multiple plays) Well, shit.
"He does not work well in groups." is such an accurate description of Fen'Harel. 😂
Except he has a large group of elven loyalists that follow him
@@trogdorburninator1229 in charge of is different from with
He worked excellently in my group. I love Solas man. My Inquisitor was real life best friends with him. We would talk about all kinds of metaphysical awesomeness & stuff. That twist at the end had me misty eyed lolol last thing my Inquisitor said to Solas was something like "I will save you my friend." & Solas looked over his shoulder like "I know, my friend." Or some shit like that. Broke mah heart.
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 "I'll prove you wrong"
"I would relish the oportunity"
I so look forward to what comes next.
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 I know! Everyone talks about the romance (which is fantastic to be fair) but the friendship is really great too. "You don't need to destroy this world. I'll prove it to you!"
"I would relish the opportunity to be wrong again, my friend"
Basically my Inquisitor is desperate to find a way to prove to Solas that he doesn't have to destroy the world and I love it.
beloved this aged so well
I have played thru DAI a few times and I'm pretty sure that I never went back and entered this room. This is fascinating. Great video!
You are very right - but I wont call him a liar. He hides information - but I don't think he ever lies. Every time we get to know the truth - we feel that he should have told us about this - but never did I ever feel that he lied to us - knowingly.
My wording was poor there. Solas doesn’t lie outright. When I say “he’s still lying” I mean that “he’s still lying by omission.” In Trespasser, you assume that by confronting him about his lack of transparency, it would cause him to start being completely transparent with you. But he’s still hiding certain things/not telling you the full truth.
@@corseque3073 Very true. I am really curious if this plot is revealed in DA4.
Omitting information that will help the Inquisition is still a betrayal. In medieval times it’d be considered treasonous to not give up such information to the authorities.
He actually does lie once and he was bad at it. If you take him to Halamshiral, he will comment on missing court intrigue. If you call him out on that slip, he will sloppily cover-up and it's the one time where asking questions actually loses approval with him.
@@corseque3073 My friend what is worse a liar who tells you the lie directly or one who lies by omission?
They are both liars of an enormous caliber and they are both equal in my book.
I imagine Solas must have gathered to Forbidden ones to oppose the Evenuris but realized they planned to take the power of the gods for themselves. That would explain why he was accepted in both groups but betrayed them all. He learned he could allow no group to oppose power without the risk of the new group simply taking the place of the old. He has a banter with Sera that hints at this.
I think you're right.
Do you mean the Forgotten ones? I think the forbidden ones are demons.
@@PureFool they're possibly one in the same, look up the Band of Three's codex entries from DA2
I've done more DAI runs than I care to admit - and I've never seen that room until watching this video. One thing struck me though, when you replayed the last conversation with Solas, he tells the female inquisitor something along the lines of : 'I know that mistake well enough to carve than angles of her face..." HER face. Was he talking about Mythal? Or one of the others?
If it was Mythal, his last encounter with her takes an entirely different meaning.
Its pretty clear if you listen carefully to everything he's said, you've read, and everything Flemeth has said that there are more than just a few similarities between Solas/Mythal/Elgar'nan and Osen/Flemeth/Bann Conobar. Its pretty clear that Mythal came to Flemeth because she identified with flemeth's story. So just as Flemeth fell in love with a man she wasn't married to, her actual husband was horribly abusive, & her husband killed her lover. Mythal had a horribly abusive husband, was in love with another man, and in turn SHE herself was killed for it. Solas was waaay more to Mythal than just a friend. And that's why he was so damn angry that he betrayed all of the Evanuris. Can you imagine now waking up 8000 years later and seeing how the world was in a worse state than it was before? Yeah. Solas is pissed. Flemeth/Mythal planned with him to fix everything and gave her life for a second time to help him. And now he has to feel the pain of knowing that this time HE killed her. He has to be right. He can't waiver, bc if he does it means he killed the woman he loved for nothing.
I forgot this detail but the reason why I know for sure that description of the "peaceful bolt-hole" is a description of this room specifically is because the conversation file that contains Varric and the Inquisitor's dialogue that they speak in this room is also called "bolt_hole" in the game files.
The most of Solas's knowledge of the Titans leaks through with his dialogue with Varric. About the state of the race, their slow decline, etc etc. It's largely just more of Solas being emo, and perhaps struggling to differentiate the dwarves he knew in eras past versus modern dwarves like Varric, but that's it. Clearly, at least for a time, Solas thought the current, non-titan connected dwarves were a walking tragedy. A severed, bloody arm. I have to wonder if the Titans were a benevolent force, or what they must have been for Solas to be so sorrowful at the current state of the dwarves
And it ties in with what he says about modern humans and elves at the end of Trespasser. It is like walking in a world of sleeping people all the time. And the Inquisitor even says "We're not even people to you..." And although Solas may say "Not at first," suggesting that perhaps he might be starting to accept modern elves and humans as people, I honestly doubt it. He might respect or even love your Inquisitor depending on how you played, but Solas does not love or respect the rest of life on the planet. He seems like a broken man who has been jaded to the point of no return. But we'll have to see in DA4
To break it down to y'all:
Forgotten Ones = Titans
Elven Gods = Evanuris
Titans have a great source of power called the Orbs (the circle ones you see). In the tales from the Codex, this is what Mythal discovered when Titans are killed. Hence, why she locked the place of death of the first Titan that was killed. Evanuris wanted this power and only Mythal is stopping them. At least that's the theory why she was killed. Basically Solas banished them to the fade as a form of revenge. But what remains to be seen is what he did to the Titans. I assume more will be revealed about the Titans in DA4. Clue: look at the circles in the murals from the epilogue. thanks!
Interesting theory! I actually think however that the Titans were ANOTHER force, kind of like how in Greek mythology there are multiple factions.
Reyna Arawan wait, I must have missed something. Where is it staying that the titans are color coded? I really want to look more into this as well
Reyna Arawan also your playlist for your neighbor is incredible
The Forgotten ones are NOT TITANS
@Reyna Arawan thank you for your detailed comment! Really appreciate other people passionate about this!
"Let no one wake its anger." It came across to me that the Ancient Elves and their 'gods' murdered a Titan, then there was work by some to seal it away before the consequences for the depraved action could affect them. It will be a really interesting twist if the Blight turns out not to be some curse, but a Titan's biological defense system of sorts from attack or 'parasites' and the Old Gods are just a cog in the machine as much as Henlocks and Ogres are.
I like this explanation. The song of red lyrium is different. I was wondering if maybe the Evanuris created the blight to kill a Titan and had to seal it away to stop it getting out.
My impression, is that the "elven gods" were originally a group of mages like the Magisterium, only immortal, and Solas was one of them. They killed and took the power of the titans and became the gods we know them today. These elven gods ended up breaking up into two major antagonistic factions whose titanically fueled wars were devastating to all the non-gods. I suspect there was a small neutral faction consisting of Solas and Mythal, and that Solas had actually been the head researcher of the titan magic - in other words, he invented the A-bomb, and then others went and used it, a lot (and this is why he doesn't want to talk about titans at all). With his superior knowledge, and position of trust as the father of titan magic and seemingly neutral political position, he tricked the gods and created the Veil. I think in the process, he was then suspended in the Veil (but still able to see the reflections of "real" events in the Fade), much like the staff that was freezing time in the Western Approach - until a great hole was torn in the Veil. Solas titanic magic was completely drained to make the Veil, but his knowledge allowed him to sabotage Cory's efforts - don't forget, the first rift was actually closed by Solas, when he probably affected the Anchor. Later, Mythal gives Solas her remaining titanic magic, but I think her tank was almost on empty anyways, otherwise Solas would be an overwhelming opponent.
All that said though... keep in mind that stories are kind of like quantum mechanics. Until this stuff is officially published in a codex entry, the demands of future story events in DA4+ can change all this.
BTW, here's an interesting what if: What if Andraste was a particularly skilled dreamer or mage, and the being she was talking to was Solas? See, Solas only remembers the bad things he caused while trying to do good things, but something like this might make his ultimate comeuppance more interesting, say, if his waifu from DA3 convinces him that this world he created isn't really worse than the one he destroyed!
If you think about all of this, then it throws into question what exactly is the human history of DA. Like, who is the Maker, or was Andraste a mage or not, was there really a golden city, what actually made the darkspawn? It's all confusing but I love it even more so, bc you found out certain things that you never knew actually happened, and I love history, like a lot so more lore is a guarantee for me!
@@LdyGG there is no maker.
@@Theemptythroneistaken Well, that answers one. I think? Idk.
I just don't see how the maker can be real when there's hints to the contrary! Genuinly believe the old gods were the ones who created everything but due to the magisters entering the fade to gain more power for themselves it made the old gods furious and so for there transgressions the world would face blights over and over again until hummanity corrected it.
Bit like Adam and eve in some way! Many believe that due to Adam and eve eating the apple it caused diseases,illness,hunger etc and its upto us to correct it!
@@Theemptythroneistaken I can agree on what you're saying, there's a lot of things that haven't been touched upon where it leaves many holes in what we, the gamers, had known before. It's like you finding out about a different route that you didn't know was possible to get. Am I making sense?
"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong."
The difference is Mordin will lay down his life to correct his mistakes while Solas will kill *everyone else* to "correct" his own.
he's so tragic, if we ever see him ever come to terms w his betrayal enough to trust again I will absolutely cry for him. that he couldn't even tell a high approval Inquisitor in Trespasser a lick about the Titans.... I'm jus thinking about how much he must be shouldering alone ;-;
This comment made me so sad 🥺
Its crazy to me how people side with someone who has committed genocide and plans to do it again😑
@@shocktherapyhelpsjones6321 he's a character in a video game calm down dude
@@STRstrength I am calm, i just stated my opinion about the situation. Because you dont like that opinion doesn't mean im angry or over excited.
@@shocktherapyhelpsjones6321 because ppl who are rational and calm watch videos about characters they don't like and then go through the comments on said video to act like an asshole lol
OMG 😂😭😂😭 I can't believe there are places in DAI where I haven't been, and especially one that deals with Solas
Well, I always thought that there has to be a reason why the dwarves are cut off from the fade. Surely, they have their own unique origin we just don't know about yet. ... and it seems, in some way, ancient elven culture is involved.
The titans were the dwarves "internet;" connection and wholeness to complete their origin. In a way, Solas may be trying to bring everyone back to their origins and not a way to destroy them.
I knew him being silent during the depths was more than an oversight. I brought him as he had great banter in ruins previously. My impression is that his fatal flaw of not working in a group well is why he wanted the Inquisition to disband and he was taunting us to move his agenda forward.
I need a prequel trilogy game about a Character(you) helping Fen'Harel.
Going off of something another comment says, I think the Blight was either something that came from a dead Titan or was a bio-weapon created by the Evenuris to kill a Titan and they all barely managed to seal it away under the deep roads. Solas saw this and knew that it meant the Evenuris was now basically one mistake away from destroying the world and needed to stop them. Now this begs the question, how did the Blight get out?
I've heard the theory that the Deep Roads connect to the Fade and I agree with it. I think the Fade is a force of magic that is created passively by the Titans and their endless Lyrium, after all we need to keep in mind that before Solas created the Veil the Fade was just a pat of nature all around, and not the strange spirit world it is now, so I think this lines up, and perhaps the sealing of the Fade behind the Veil is what has lulled the Titans into the sleep they are in now. Anywa This is further supported by the fact that a Titan started to stir, of all times, right around when a giant hole was opened in the Veil. Oh also, with the Blight sealed beneath the Deep Roads it needs to have an equivalent in the Fade right? So the Black City appears as a mirror of the Blight beneath the Deep Roads, caught in a weird limbo between the Fade and the Deep Roads, hence how it seems to not follow the normal laws of the Fade. Why was it golden on the outside? Because of the seal the Evanuris put on it.
So fast forward to the Tevinter Magisters, they enter the Black City, break the Evanuris seal by accident, and get shunted out the other end, in the Deep Roads. This act allowed the blight to leak out into the Deep Roads, where specifically? Remember the Primeval Thaig from DA2? The influx of the Blight turned all the denizens of the deepest thaig in the roads into the first Darkspawn and spread from there.
I have played DA:I three times now and never saw this room. Your insight was awesome and analysing Solas’ character and his potential motivations was really good. I am not sure it is fair to say we can not guess, because we can, yet our guesses will never be accurate as we don’t know enough. A good video.
...when I played Trespasser I could understand Solas, and it hurt. And I didn't understand why I understood him so completely. And this has made me understand why. It's because at one point, I was like Solas, unable to trust anyone. And I made my way back, but he hasn't.
I think a lot of people also forget. He is a man who trusts no-one because he's been betrayed before. And he went to sleep and woke up to a world completely unfamiliar to him, one that he recognized his part in creating. And so he is, essentially, like a time traveler who was unprepared. He is a man displaced in time trying desperately to turn back the clock.
Also, I have a theory that I thought of and didn't know anything about this room at the time it formed. But that the Evanuris gained their power from the Deep Roads, and (with this info now) maybe then locked it down there. And that's how Dwarven culture formed, afraid of the surface. The Dwarves had to come from somewhere. I don't know where, and I really want them to expand on it.
I think when you romance him he fights with telling you everything and his fear of you not accepting him for what he's done before mixed with his fear of tainting you and you betraying him or leaving him after being completely in love with you or that his love be in the way of what he think he have to do. when you have the dialogue in trespasser and you say the 2 dialogue options that talk about trust he kind of walk back, he knows he should but he can't. he also tells you that what you saw is just a part of the truth " another version of the story" . but yeah his silent about the titans in the descent is talking volume but at that moment he did not tell you he was Fen'Harel so it would have been weird to talk about Titans...
"the room where it happens"
it’s been two years but this plus your video on the meaning of the notes in the Deep Roads in Trespasser/Mythal’s lullaby are still the best Solas videos out there. if you ever end up making the other videos you mentioned, i would love to watch them!! your insight into not only Solas as a character but the lore as whole is excellent.
What I see in the game - Dragon Age has always been about, multiple perspectives, multiple ways to tell a narration of a magnetic polar shift. Or to say, of Rebirth. Specifically I think with a universe in this case. From Daoism pov,which is also woven into the fabric of the games, the Elven Pantheon is representing the evolution of the god heads, or to say the Alpha and Omega's journey, replicating itself to experience all perspectives. The Chantry is the Trinity persepctive of creation. Boiled down its been about the two "brothers", or polar opposites sides from the "golden mead"
Solas is the "golden mead" persona of those two brothers, Dirthamen and Falon'din. We are in the middle of said polar shift ( or another one) From the Daoist pov, Solas has always been both brothers.
Pride turned to Arrogance and Passion turned to cruel desire/envy.
I also am pretty sure we've been playing in "the void", the after life kinda, the plane of existence where spirits reign or Elgar'nan Fathers realm...In a mirror realm, a "reflection" of what was but in a limited pov. Not an earth like dimension. Its a dream world, it's Solas or his parents recreating the memories and fixing things. ( The Fade itself in game is the polar shift, the fading of one side of the yin and yang plane swirling into each other. Its where the two planes are meeting and mixing or switching)
Our choice has away been if we let him forgive himself, and have mercy. Or if embracing vengeance is justice, which I believe was what happened originally.
I love this video, Solas is the most dynamic character in game. Elven Mage female gets most of the info from him
This way of looking at Solas and his individualism does change my paradigm on a few things. Most importantly on the decision to disband the Inquisition. I wonder if we'll get the chance to see the history play out for that choice.
My theory has and always will be that the Evanuris ARE the Old Gods.
Think about it, Solas banished the Evanuris to the fade because he knew they couldn't be killed. They used to take the form of DRAGONS (that's how Flemmeth can take a Dragon Shape.) Corypheus and the other magisters who went into the Fade met with the Old God spirits who basically unleashed the blight. Tevinter worships the Old Gods as DRAGONS. The darkspawn are controlled by an Archdemon which is an Old God Soul that takes the form of a DRAGON.
So following this logic, since there were 9 Evanuris, one was Mythal who currently inhabits SOLAS. Five have already been killed (as DA:O takes place during the fifth blight) This means there are three more blights, three more potential archdemons.
Oh god, this theory makes the existence of Kieran (depending on how you played DA:O) that much more terrifying. If Morrigan was right and the soul of an Old God did pass to that child... and your theory is right... DA4 is gonna be one hell of a showdown
My save file sure will be anyway lmao
@@jerricah7228 Lol Solas+Mythal+Whatever the hell Evanuris was the fifth archdemon CAN'T WAIT
Two more. Solas was an Old God, too.
I need to play through Inquisition again. Never found this room but after the DLC and multiple playthroughs I share your observations and opinions on the events that led to the Veil and Solas' silence in the game. That said I still learned quite a bit and this has piqued my lore-nerd curiosity. Great video and don't worry about the rambling. A passionate yet informed outpouring of information and line of thought is more in line with the subject matter than a script, which are more for story telling.
From the Veilfire Ruin's codex in the video, it says that Mythal aka Flemeth was the one who destroyed the Titan(s) (the pillars of the earth) however these Titans are very important in the structure of the earth, rumored to be the ones who created it, along with their blood being lyrium (an important resource to enhancing or enabling magic), and destroying or using them would eventually and/or inevitably destroy or harm the earth. Motives in destroying them could be things like power, resources, and/or misguided defense against them because they cause earthquakes and maybe occupied the land to some degree. Mythal would have wanted to put a stop to this for the benefit of her people and was thus granted godhood by the people because she gave them prosperous land by doing so. Either way, their absence would ultimately destroy or corrupt the world, which is what Solas noticed and was trying to put a stop to and the damage done to them could be what ended his past world, creating the one he's now trying to destroy to go back to the old one to fix his mistake, whatever his involvement in its destruction may be. When Solas says, "I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory," when talking about the use of power being from judgement of others, I automatically thought of Mythal/Flemeth, who happens to have a very defined chiseled looking face. While I know she's changed faces throughout the years, it's fitting that her current form has such features, plus they changed her model since Dragon Age 2 to maybe reflect this.
Since I think the Old God's as told by Solas are really the old ancient elves such as himself, one could reason that it was the attack against the Titans and the seeking of power that eventually corrupted them (the elves and/or the titans) and eventually manifested and caused the corruption known as the Blight. Maybe the Golden City is where Solas trapped all the ancient "Old God" elves for their crime against the Titans by trapping their minds in the fade while their bodies slept somewhere beyond the eluvians. It is said in the Dragon Age wiki from the game, "Elves believe that their gods have been trapped in the Eternal City at the heart of the Beyond and that Fen'Harel still roams the Beyond, keeping watch over the gods lest they escape from their prisons". Eventually maybe others (such as humans or other elves) sought to find the elves whom at this point are thought of as these gods with ultimate power in the fade and were cast out or sent out and became the first Darkspawn which caused the first Blight. They could have been corrupted by the demons in the fade as the Golden City in the fade was eventually corrupted by them turning it into the Black City. We'd have to think of the origins of demons at this point which is another topic. This would explain the Darkspawns single mindedness to search for these "old gods" bodies which apparently are somewhere deep underground, potentially only accessed through eluvians normally or dug out, and them finding it would somehow bring the elves (old gods) minds back to their bodies, however they are corrupted because their minds are in the fade in the corrupted Black city so they come up as what we know as Archdemons. I say cast out or sent out because the Darkspawn could have happened by accident or it could be on purpose because these corrupted elves want their minds to be reunited with their bodies. It was said the old gods the darkspawn are looking for were dragons, but Mythal can turn into a dragon, so that sorta fits her being a old god and maybe not all of the old gods (ancient elves or people) turn into just dragons, but it is just the popular idea in lore. The song or calling could come from the orbs that were supposedly taken from the defeated Titans or the "Old Gods" that wield them because Titans are known to sing through the earth and their blood (lyrium) is also known to sing but it was corrupted. Phew, I feel like I could go on but I'd be writing a 10 page essay at that point.
I really need to replay this game. It’s been years.
I find your suspicions about this room fascinating. More so, your take on Solas' motivations when it comes to not being as forthcoming as you (as the player) would want him to be; especially if you are in a romance together.
The idea that, ultimately, it's this secret about what the Evanuris did (tried to do); and the fact that he cannot let it become known in fear of the "Absolute power, corrupts absolutely." ideology; that stops him from being truthful with you even when he is being truthful, is a point-of-view that really resonated with me. It makes sense when you look at what we know about the history of The People and their downfall.
It would not be a stretch of the imagination to say that fear, itself, is Solas' true motivation for keeping everything to himself. A catalyst, in a way, that justifies everything he has done since before he raised the Veil, why he always kept everyone at arm's length during the cannon storylines and everything he will have to do, now that its time to tear it all down again.
It also gives a new perspective on, ultimately, why he chose to end the romance so abruptly.
he has the burden of knowledge. He works in the shadows, the person he loves is lighter than him and he thinks they can't be his light and be in the shadows with him. If anyone knew what the evanuris were doing some idiot in tevinter would probably try it. 😂
Omg I follow you on tumblr for molten hot solavellan content and I see this pop up in my reccomended, I'm so happy there's more!!
The fact there are (presumably) titans in that da4 teaser video as well...👁👁
Glad you broke this room down even in a bit more of a stream of consciousness sort of video, this room is so goddamn important and we need VERBAL EVIDENCE of whatever the heck happened with the Evanuris and the Titans because Solas is very much telling us what we need to know but not all the fine details. He did mention there was a war that preceded the Evanuris becoming "gods" when we talked with him but what war was it? It must have something to do with the Titans or something.
Would love to see how far they can take this in da4
Reminds me of this one sentence he said in the final conversation in "Trespasser" where he admits himself that he is not telling everything. The Inquisitor asks him a question about this whole "world destruction thing" (I don´t remember what it was exactly) and he frankly says: "THIS I will not tell you." And after that he says something like: "I know your mind/how clever you are. It would be too easy." (I played the German version so maybe the translation is a bit vague). I guess this compliment-sentence appears with high approval.
To my ears it sounded like he definitely hides information from the Inquisitor that could be essential and maybe lead him/her too easily to a possible way to stop him.
Thanks for this video! I remember this door but I tried to shoot fireballs on the explosives. When this didn´t work I thought it´s not possible to enter the next area and so I walked on. It never came to my mind to try it with the mark xD
Wow!!! This is brilliant!!!
I just chilled in this room after getting a drink, never even thought about egg boy and this room. I hope DA4 comes out fine and you do videos on it.
Thanks for making this video. I knew that mural existed but I had no idea how to find it, I just thought it was somewhere in the base game and I always missed it lol
wow this makes me want to get back to playing through DA:I again. Great Video!
This was a great insite! Amazing job!!!!
Its funny how you can go the entire game of Inquisition just sorta ignoring Solas thinking hes a generic mage, but hes actually insanely powerful and key to the world lore.
I have well over 1k hours into DAI, and I've never seen this room. THANK YOU so much for making this video!!!! You have astute views on what's possibly going on with the greater Solas situation. I'm already back watching it again.
Finally just saw it in person for the first time! Thank you!
Thank you for this!
The thing with Fen'Harel is he tell us only what he want us to know when he want it but i dont think he lie to us he just give a pice of the whole as for titan i think dwarws before where more like sandal and valta after getting his blessing or what not they where a threat or rivals in power to the evanuris so they somehow tranquil them in a way there is in a first game a kadash thaig if i remember correctly that say that the elves and dwarfs been underground together at least at some point plus that could at one point use magic and been on the surface as well
I will never know this room if I have not seen this. Thank you for this video 🙏
I wonder what they made of this juicy lore. We're getting into the deep roads, we have Harding having some strange magical abilities, which..I can only assume..is somehow connected to the titans/blight and I'm so ready to get to the bottom of this. Yum! Thank you!
Brilliant stuff
wow... what an amazing video
I can't wait for DA4!!
He was called “He who hunts alone” for a reason.
3 years later, but how does it feel to be so right. slightly off topic but also he is the most furious he has ever been in the preamble of here lies the abyss when talking about how the warden's plan is to literally dig up the old gods to end the blights. he doesnt want the girlies going down there >
Thank you for this great insight! I skipped that room thinking it's just some loot. Such a mistake :D
You’re right, we only know what he wants us to know. There’s something that’s been gnawing at me with Solas. I think he’s set up to be the antagonist, the big bad Fen’Harel, but he may turn out to be the good guy in this. The knowledge all the races of the people of Thedas has is either corrupted by time and perspective or aligned with particular beliefs such as the history The Chantry tells us vs The Qun vs The Dalish vs literally everything else. I hope in DA4, we’ll at least experience the truth or gain a bigger picture of the events of the past. I also hope that the knowledge we gain turns whatever beliefs that we, the player, has about this world we love so much completely upside down.
That knowledge was lost because he created the veil.
I mean it could be both.
True, but surely there are other ancients like Felassan that possibly have a living memory of it. It wasn’t so much that knowledge was lost, more that history was rewritten and will be so again when/if Solas completes his mission. My theory is that most of the other races of Thedas arrived when the veil was formed, and are possibly just aspects that split from the then existing ancients like the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones.
Imagine taking Solas there .... AWKWARD
Solas doesn’t trust other people with power, yet he gave his orb to Coriphypants. 🤦🏻♀️ ahhh my sweet dumb egg.
I’ve played through this game 3 times and I NEVER KNEW ABOUT THIS ROOM WHAAAT
me neither! im gonna visit it tomorrow.
Solas is a tragic villain, and a perfect example of the danger of ‘good intentions’ when mixed with arrogance.
A fascinating video!
If the pillars of earth can be destroyed, the Fade can be destroyed as well.
Never seen that before & I’ve played it a million times. Geez.
What made you love dragon age?😊❤ Best fantasty ever and Mass effect best sci-fi!
I really like the idea that Solas would be properly tilted, COMPLETELY thrown off balance by Inky disbanding the Inquisition
He's the one to suggest the Inquisitor do just that, and uses the fact his own agents as well as the Qunari infiltrating it so easily as example of how big organisation can be easily corrupted. The way he phrases it sounded to me like he even wants the Inquisitor to disband the Inquisition. That coupled with his advice to Sera on the Red Jenny tells me he prefers working in small groups that are easier to organise and control, as the more agents you have scattered all over the less you can follow up on them and some may rather do their own thing for their own reasons, throwing the whole operation off.
@@danceanddestroy oh is that how you read it? To me it felt like he was taunting, trying to get the Inquisitor to give up the role and give up fighting entirely, because in his mind, the only way to engage him is with a massive organization- so Inqy giving up the title, lands, and army make them a sincere threat and unknown variable. But, like I could also be dumb.
@@InfiniteBalance yup, like I said, based on previous lines of his with Sera, also considering his own past as the head of a revolutionary movement, I think for him small is better, more effective, easier to control, sneakier too. You can't hide a big organisation but it's easy for an infiltrator to get lost in one, while on the other hand it's easier to track a target or commit sabotage if you're an inconspicuous nobody.
Solas wants to be stopped, Trespasser showed that, part of Tevinter Nights as well. He can't let go of his mission so the only way he doesn't go through with it is if someone else manages to stop him. His "disbanding the Inquisition is better" tone is part of that IMO
@@danceanddestroy I suspect the "Fen'Harel cultists" in Tevinter Nights may be some of those doing their own thing for their own reasons. A suicide cult doesn't really seem to me like something Solas would condone.
@@crobbins3627 oh, I'm sure some individuals are taking advantage of the situation and posing as "agents" of Fen'Harel to do their own thing
VERY good find. I too am curious about how the dwarves and titans factor into what he did and did not say. I mean the titans seem to comprise almost the entire post-fade physical world. And the dwarves with both their stone/Titan sense and relationship to lyrium almost seem like incarnate Titan-lettes.
I thought he was talking about how things fell apart after he created the veil. Arlathan apparently lasted a couple more millennia after that.
I'm a year late to this, but something I noticed in that bit of text is the very last sentence. It's easy to miss because of the all-caps font, but "The People" is capitalized. The elves refer to themselves as "The People" on a few different occasions. I wonder if "The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all" isn't some kind of generic warning about being ready for a coming threat, but instead a specific, targeted warning to elves. Some indication that this threat, whatever it is, has a direct connection with the elven race. That perhaps this threat isn't just some vague apocalypse, but that elves in particular will suffer more greatly than the other races.
💯 agreed!
I wonder if what they woke up has something to do with the red lyrium since we now know it’s blood of a titan but red means it’s corrupted could the evanuris have done something to corrupt it or something worse
HOW AM I ONLY JUST NOW LEARNING ABOUT THIS ROOM ,,,,,,,,, i am about to scream
Where is this exactly??? I'm confused. Also did you just press x and did the magic thing on its own?
Cole describes red lyrium as angry. I think that's what the Evanuris unleashed, I think the dead titan is the source of the blight.
I'm so mad I missed this shit. Now I definitely have to beat out my new save file.
Ooooh maybe that's a reason why he asks the Inquisitor if the mark has changed them.
cool.
.....great power in the Deep Roads?
The Red Lyrium?
This video is so important! Lol Thanks!
The Titans!
Okay I've played this so many times and thought I've done everything lol where is this???
I have never once in my life seen this room
oh DAMN
One of the main reason i guess Solas don't talk about the Titans in Trespasser, is because the writers and dev can't just assume that everyone who brought trespasser also brought the Descent
I wonder why that room, specifically. What happened at that location?
It’s in the Deep Roads in the same location as the scene of Mythal’s great victory over the Titans, with all her statues of herself and everything, so I’m kind of assuming that he painted it after the “eons seemed to pass” and the danger started to emerge, but they stopped it. So I’d speculate this was the painting he painted when he was making the difficult decision to overthrow the evanuris?
Wait, where and when in gameplay is this??? I havent played any DLC. Do I have to go through that to find this?
Yeah, its in the tresspasser dlc
oh. holy sh***.
yeah i saw that room. oh... wait... what...
Alright I've lost count of how many times I have played this game but right now I am blanking... which Dwarven ruins do you find this in?
in tresspaser, after the ruins are flooded, you can go back and use anchor to explode gatlock barrels, to clear the rubble blocking its entrance.
Holy Mythal!! (Yeah. Dragon Age puns. Don't judge me 😂)
I've played this game nearly 7 times and I've NEVER seen this room before! Is it on the PS4? This is so exciting!!
It's in the Trespasser DLC and you need to discover all the Fen'Harel. Easter eggs to get to this particular eluvian
Dreadwolf easteregg
It is a bit disappointing that there are people who have oversimplified and reduced Solas' character to "Corypheus 2.0". Some people are so convinced that Solas's only motivation is being sad over causing the collapse of Arlathan and wanting to fix this mistake, that he monologued his entire motivation to the Inquisitor and that there is nothing more that Solas knows about the world that hasn't already been revealed, or is worth listening to. You've put into words a lot of what I've been thinking about in regards to DA4 and Solas and I am so honestly glad to hear it.
And though it is disappointing that some people don't see it, I'm excited to witness everyone's reaction to whatever happens next.
I dont doudt Solas knows alot about the world but If the world as he knows it must die for the world that once was then he just doesnt care.
@@reffa2858 I think there's more to it than that, and once it's revealed it will put everything Solas is doing into a new perspective.
I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong
@@adamb1948 It sounds like he knows whats best based on his experiences but to come to that conclusion for the entire world is a bit selfish. Especially if that conclusion means people will die. But people who romanced him will try their hardest to find any redeeming qualities in him. Not me, Im striking him down 😂.
Is this in trespasser?
I wonder what would happen if you brought Solas along with you into that room. Would he just self destruct lmao
where is that site?
Also I think the worst part of this is that it kind of confirms that he approved of Mythal’s conquest of the Titans (lead her armies?). He only had a problem once the other gods started misusing the lyrium (Or titan “bodies”). He was like “chill and cool to take down the pillars of the world. On no! Not Bad Magics!”
Where is that place ?
Where is this?
Pretty sure the most important room in the game is my bedroom.
First time finishing the game and my first instinct was to start another playthrough :/ I even read lore books. I have way too many questions
WHERE IS THIS THO??
these videos make me realize i know nothing about dragon age despite having played them all
Location?