The History of: The German Flecktarn Camouflage Family | Uniform History
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2019
- In one of our longest videos yet we cover the history of the German Flecktarn Camouflage family from its start in the 70s all the way through the mid 2010s with the introduction of Multitarn.
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I always love the "oh shi... we forgot other climates were a thing" that militaries always seem to do.
Militaries are bureaucracies. Separate projects have separate budgets- and provide twice as many paths for promotion for twice as many officers. More bureaucratic bang for them from your tax dollars.
To be fair, it was the cold war and Europeans believed that Europe would be the prime battlefield if the Americans and the Soviets decided to actually fight.
@@odinlindeberg4624
The single colour uniform worn by most armies during the Cold War made perfect sense for fighting armoured (and nuclear) battles on the farmland of the North German Plain. Even today, most "woodland" camouflage patterns defeat the purpose outside of a woodland environment, particularly urban areas (unless they're operating in a park!). The Cold War uniforms of the Bundeswehr would probably be more effective in an urban area than flecktarn. I've always thought that only special forces really need woodland camoflage uniforms. Slate grey/green has the most utility for the rest, and would be cheaper, too.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry
I'm not sure what comment you intended to reply to since no one here mentioned camo vs. plain uniforms, but I think it bears mentioning that the majority of soldiers are not tankers. You need infantry to effectively hold onto the land you've captured, and infantry benefit from camouflage.
@@odinlindeberg4624 They benefit from the right camoflage. Woodland stands out in an environment where everything is earth tone (tilled fields) or grey-black (cities).
Nice video but:
Bundeswehr=Germany
Bundesheer=Austria
Ich dachte schon ich wäre der einzige dem das aufgefallen ist.
Budwiser =Australia
I thought he just kept mispronouncing "bundeswehr" as "bund es weer"... %-)
james pulford Budweiser = Czechia, idiot. That's where the city Budweis is located and where the beer is made.
@@honzabalak3462 calm down u twat take a joke
6:00 *"Camouflage looks too aggressive"*
- Some Dutch dude, probably high on shrooms
@Die Kista No one cares
It's because it looks like the camos Waffen-SS used.
"Looked too aggressive." wtf even is the point of having a military then NETHERLANDS
It has to do with internal politics and the political narrative being propagated in Western Europe, at the time. As in the East being aggressive expansionists, with uniforms reminiscent of the Nazis. Hence why West Germany was reserved on adopting a camo pattern essentially based on a Waffen SS. It just plays into foreign propaganda, regardless of the practically.
"Looked too aggressive" is just a way of saying "Looked too nazi" without insulting an important ally.
@@maartenkunst1966 Yep, although you got to admit it looks cool and is practical.
@@KSmithwick1989 'reminiscent of nazis', you mean cool? yeah, germany aint cool anymore
Maybe the point of having a military is to defend our country, not waging aggressive wars around the globe like Americans or Soviets?
In the German Army the all blue tracksuits were called "Schlumpftarn" (Smurf Camo).
I bought a set from a surplus store to work out in. Very comfortable.
Lol.. I remember those.!! . We called the yellow PT uniform the banana suit. Pt uniforms would be a good subject.
@@od1452
Yeah, would be interesting.
That's funny. Finnish army has a similar blue tracksuit. They call it "smurffipuku". In English Smurf suit.
@@Pyrrhusification
Brilliant minds come to similar conclusions.
" ich hab sie gestern nicht bei der Tarnübung gesehen! "
" danke sir"
Sir? bei der Bundeswehr sagt man bestimmt nicht Sir
Du meinst "Danke mein Herr" :D
@@n00btotale oder Danke Herr Oberfeldwebel
@@shadow-san3810 nur drei oberfeldwebel mögen klugscheisser
@@MSPhoinix
Lerne ersteinmal die deutsche Rechtschreibung ! Dummkopf !
Actually it was refused by the Dutch on the political level because I looked like the waffen SS patern. I tested the camo while in the army. Everybody who tested it was very happy with it.
Luuk de Wijse understatement.
@@Robin6512 flecktarn is german its a shame that other coutries make there own one
@SSJ Murdering civilians isnt exactly heroic
@@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613 Dramaqueen!
@@heinrichmirgrautsvordir6613 Lol yes because America, France, Britain and especially Russia never committed any war crimes in WWII /s.
I'm German..
I was here the whole time,you just didn't see me!
ich feier dich XD
I thought you was hiding from his butchering of the German language and constantly confusing the Bundeswher with the Bundesheer. Expert my ass. 🤦♂️
Who said that!?
I'm part German so they can only see half of me
Ich dachte schon ich wäre alleine, hab sonst keinen deutschen gefunden...
Fun facts:
Tropentarn is often getting a chemical treatment referred to as "Vektorenschutz", which basically means that it is being impregnated with repellant to keep ticks and mosquitos away.
Also, all Uniform patterns are being treated in a way that they do not reflect UV light, and as a soldier you are technically not allowed to wash your uniforms at home because this UV treatment gets lost.
Apologies for any mispronunciations of German words, also in regards to the only NATO nations using camouflage we did omit a few such as Italy and Portugal by accident. Although a few did use camouflage it was on a limited basis and under certain circumstances rather than as the standard issue uniform which the UK eventually did. Anyway hope every still enjoyed the video. Also any and all suggestions for future videos are always considered.
Uniform History great video! Also I made this same mistake for ages: the weird “B” looking letter is actually just the German way of writing a double “s”. So it’s “gross” not “grob”.
It would be nice if you did a video about the Swedish M90.
Plz make a video on tipu sultan an south Indian King used tiger stripes in uniform in 17 the centery I think first ever cam uniform
Not to confuse with the english "gross", the german "groß/gross" is pronounced with a straight and a bit longer "o".
British ww2 windproof camouflage pattern.I cannot find any good information how this pattern was printed.That would be a difficult task.
It seems that the WWII German Camo style keeps coming back in slightly altered form in many countries. I know most countries were averse to emulating WWII German Camo, but the truth is, it was great and is still great no matter what political weight it carries.
And the helmet form is back too
dude get over it its 80 years ... wtf
Yes the Splintertarn is used nowadays by other countries
4:42 Eichenlaubmuster = Oak leaves pattern
4:44 Erbsenmuster = Peas pattern
I worn Fleckentarn = Stain camouflage pattern
Nice video 👍
Wait ! BundesWEHR is German🇩🇪 but BundesHEER is Austrian🇦🇹 !
WAIT
7:25
@Roger Rarebit Heer just means army. That is completely out of context. Nobody says Bundesheer in Germany. Heer yes, not Bundesheer...
My grandfather calls the Bundeswehr still "Wehrmacht"
@Roger Rarebit no, the ground army of germany is still the Heer (heer simply is one german word for the army), but our entire army is called "defenseforce" (Bundes- - of the bond (pact/coalition/federation), -wehr - defense). Whereas the austrians call theirs "armed forces" Bundesheer - army of the bond.
@@xXdnerstxleXx your grandfather is a badass!
groß is actually a different way of writing gross, and is pronounced as such...not grob...as a side note, grob in russian means coffin.
Grob is a german word though. It translates to: rough, crude, broad.
@Jose Raul Miguens Cruz stop drinking...
Also "grob" is similar to the German "Grab", which means grave.
@@skodnik8608 but groß is the opposite of klein.
@@skodnik8608 same meaning in slovenian,,,grob
Whilst in Bundeswehr, we called it "Erbsenkotze" meaning "peas vomit" :)
A very descriptive name!
Erbesenmuster or "pea pattern" was also one of the german world war 2 camouflage patterns.
oder verschimmelte kuhscheisse tarn.......
Actually in my time in the Bundeswehr, what you call 5 colour camo with Tropentarn cut would universally be called "Vektorenschutz", as that pattern of uniform is treated with a special chemical, that supposedly helps against mosquitoes, ticks and other insects.
What you called Wüstentarn (three colour csmo) would be called Tropentarn universally, and Wüstentarn is actually a variation of that, without the green.
I somewhere even have an official Bundeswehr brochure about uniforms, that calls the patterns that way.
I prefer the German flectarn pattern to any of the other countries patterns.
@Steve Jobs True
@Mirko Z the regular flecktarn is very good but only in german woods
@@younesgacem6195 its great in the southeast US damn near year round in the deep woods
@@younesgacem6195 It's good where there's "Mischwald"
We fins have good camo
3:23 It is pronounced like "gross" in English not grob since the ß in the word groß (large/big) stands in for two s characters. The German language is phasing out the ß for two s but the change is not really accepted by many people.
I wanted to point that out too right as I heard him saying that lol
Mmmh no, not really being phased out, at least not in Germany proper - rules in Austria or Switzerland may vary.
The general rule is: a voiceless "S" sound is written with either ß or ss
- ß after a long vowel or diphthong.
- ss after a short vowel.
There's a few exceptions, but it's not going anywhere.
@@xibo2971 Same;)
You beat me to it lol.
"The German language is phasing out the ß for two s but the change is not really accepted by many people."
No, we are not "phasing out" the 'ß', nor will we ever do it in the future. If anything, more and more people are too retarded to remember the one simple rule: short vocal = ss (e.g. etwas messen), long vocal = ß (e.g. Maß nehmen). And that is kind of pathetic.
You're a young channel, and I love the content man. Been waiting for a channel that actually focuses on uniform. Would be awesome to see some body armor vids too. But so far so good my dude. Keep it up 👍
Check out brent0331 he makes camo and uniform vids aswell.
yep... the Master Yoda of camo!
I love when you spelled "ß" in "Gruß" as "b"
Thanks. Given the pattern originated during WW2, and is considered effective today, I would say the Germans continue to be remarkable.
Back in the good ol' days I got a complete set (pants, shirt, parka, vest) of surplus Bundeswehr flecktarn for a total of $40 from 'Cheaper Than Dirt' catalog. I used it for turkey hunting here in Missouri as it's excellent camouflage for breaking up your silhouette in woods, or just about anywhere in a temperate zone. It was also immensely cheaper and tougher than most of the hunting clothing sold here. That was back in 2004, I still have the set with it's Bundeswehr stamp on the tag mid-90's manufacture.
i got mine from service 2002, its still ok till this day a bit worn out but hey :D 20 years iam using it
@@sirbonobo3907 I'm still wearing my GI issue boots from 22 years ago-worn but still wearable and super comfortable.
I like the bit about the Dutch officer who said cammo was 'too aggressive', I imagine they sent him to help UNPROFOR at Srebrenica.
Roger Hudson Srebrenica 😂
Roger Hudson it shows how fucked the west is NATO has to fall and i pray for the russians to invade i will receive them with open arms....from a dutch guy
“According to one officer” yeah, that really is a representing number for a army of more then 40 000 soldiers...sigh. And don’t forget there is still a negatieve feeling in europe to all things that are even slightly comparable to things from Nazi Germany. Don’t forget that that was a really dark time in Europe’s history.
Bernard, The Russians wear ss oak leaf camouflage. If they can look past the supposed dark past of the men who originally wore that pattern, than it shouldn't be a problem for a modern military to wear a modern pattern that's simply inspired by a very effective camouflage pattern.
It's just that the EU is openly cucking your once proud nations into communist submission by simply abusing your collective white guilt.
@@STdoubleDs you are right about the camo but not about the communist part. There is a massive uprise of alt right and far right. So you don't have those.facts.right
Awesome video on my favorite camo pattern! I have a entire flecktarn uniform + gear from the late 80's - early 90's and a couple of bits of steppentarn gear. Being a collector of Cold War era uniforms, this channel is a goldmine!
Like most things German, Flecktarn just looks friggin amazing. I use a fall flecktarn from someone's skin mod in my CoH1 mod for the Pzr Elite.
So glad to see someone who is equally as interested in Camouflage as me! I can't believe I didn't fond this channel earlier
Maybe you should take a look at Brent0331 's channel...
Tbh the M44 Erbsenmuster is the greatest camouflage of all time. All German WWII camos can and so still outperform and outshine most modern designs.
My second favorite and useful camouflage is the Waffen SS Oak smock that was reversible for autumn and spring weather along with its matching helmet cover, that was a mean and scary pattern cause the allies who survived engagements with SS divisions who were decked out in these camos all said “you wouldn’t even know you’re standing amidst a whole company of Germans until they started shooting us....from DIRECTLY BENEATH us.”
I like what I see, despite the mispronunciations. The channels seems rigorous and loaded with information. Subscribed!
Flecktarn works pretty well here in coastal Oregon. Multicam is too light. It's pretty cool learning that it took 15 years to develop.
God, the Germans had such good camo.
If tanks, airplanes, ships are broken and the weapons do not hit, then you must be able to hide !!! 😎
@@steppib.4598 When all else fails, grab some camouflage!
@OwlFarm Albion WW2 German Camo was the best looking for sure
@@steppib.4598 Are you German?
OwlFarm Albion Give the US a break, we were building a huge military from almost scratch while supporting all the other allies logistically, inventing and building a brand new high tech industry as big as a medium country ‘s whole economy and fighting on two fronts on the other side of the world at the same time.
Your content quality and attention to detail is amazing, keep up the great work!
Man, I love this channel, I enjoy collecting euro surplus uniforms so this is the perfect channel for me lol...
Fascinating! I love Flecktarn but didn't know there was such an interesting history behind it.
Germany had developed really effective Camouflage in WW2 and would do field trials for a specific pattern's before inroducing them into the appropriate theatre of war.
They were the first to introduce disruptive pattern uniforms en-mass and in such bold and varied forms.
One of the most popular items of clothing was the revesible to White winter Parka and Trousers sets which were padded and kept soldiers very warm in the harsh Russian and Western European winters.
Just subscribed! finally found someone who does uniform histories.I collect European military clothing and frankly I thought there was no real info on this thank you very much!By the way I have several garments in flecktarn patterns.The wusentarn as you say has a different material,that is absolutely correct.My wusentarn shirt and pants are actually extremely comfortable and airy,they almost cause a drafting effect in pulling air through the actual fabric.Keep up the good work
The Portuguese Army too used a camouflaged pattern since the early sixties, a beautiful variation of the French lizard pattern with a darker reddish brown. But it was reserved for Special Forces and those fighting in Portuguese Africa; all others wore olive drab. Nowadays we use DPM and Multicam.
True, but in the late 60's Lizard pattern was issued to alle Army troops, not just the Cazadores. Because the Cazadores were singled out by the African rebels and had high rate of casualties.
This was an interesting video. Standard German Flecktarn is a neat camo pattern.
Neat means nice in German fun fact
It certainly is the shit is German and Belgian forests which it was designed for. Like seriously awesome. And the tan version of flecktarn is amazing too maybe only bested by Italian vegetato. The digital camos stand out more to the human eye. And although not the camo itself being printed in nylon like marpat and cadpat they shine in direct sunlight more which draws your eye to it. The Italian and German ones are printed on mostly cotton and being a natural fibers has no shine so your eye finds it pleasing and doesn't stand out.
I love how you pronounce all those german words. Greetings from Germany. Brilliant video, by the way. Keep up the great work.
Extremely well researched. Good video!
Just came across your channel, im a military antique collector, mainly medals, daggers, swords, badges ect.. ect.. havnt got to purchasing any uniforms, helmets.. yet, ill be a regular viewer if all the material you put out from now on fantastic jobyour doing from wat ive seen so far
5:03 not only the UK and france also Italy did use m29 camo uniform as standard uniform until 1975 where it was flanked whit a solid color uniform and didnt see replacements until the early 90s where all militaries switched to the woodland
That french lizard patern looks interesting,also some of the greek stuff,when you think about it camo is a really interesting subject! You have a new sub!!!
How great!!! I'm very much into camo patterns, have many books and a good collecting of uniforms, but I still learned something here. Great chanel!!!! Thank you!!
Most proper briefing much appreciated and enjoyed,
Honestly i think the Wehrmacht dot camo was the best looking, and i remember watching videos of tests and damn they where near invisible :O
Not Wehrmact
Can you talk about tigerstripe?
especially to the south vietnamese variants
One of my favorites, especially what's referred to as the "John Wayne" Tiger Stripe pattern 1962-1975.
Same.
Yes, a video on tigerstripe would be awesome
Tigerstripe is one of my very favourite patterns.....
Its fascinating how it's a cousin to the DPM family of patterns and related to French lizard and even the acupat/marpat/caspar patterns are descended from it (being digitized tigerstripe)
Then theres all terrain tiger and pentagram too...
Great video as always keep up the great work!
Very well done, precise, well documented Thumb up !
About 15/16 years ago I bought a black fleck tarn coat from a massive army surplus stores on Camden market in London, it's official german army issue and I've still got it , great coat !
If you mean the dark olive parka jacket from the 80's then feel lucky. Its really rar and the new official version doesnt come even close by quality or coolness
@@durstloscher2362 it is a fleck tarn pattern but black , the bloke who sold it to me said it was a special forces coat ? I'm not sure if that's correct but it looks and wears brilliant!
12:04 this dude has a rank of "Oberstabsgefreiter" = NATO Rang-Code OR-4 or US Rank Corporal.
This rank was also funny called "Pommesbude" = some kind like "fries sale shack", because this rank has so many stripes "fries" like a street sale shack. I hope you know what I mean ;)
We used to call them NATO zebras.
@@PorkySeven nope we call them so , when they are " NCO with passed
education " in German BWAKÜFI " OSG UA MBL "
Technically, there are NCOs, unfortunately without a job, that's why they are still corporals
@@axelk4921 ?
I really like the pattern of the German flecktarn. Even snagged some from some surplus store a while back here in the USA.
Excellent, well researched presentation
How about an episode on the ski cap (Bergmütze)? Probably one of the most practical and definitely most stylish European military hats.
I love the danish camouflage. I like how it matches the green forest areas of Denmark, but also how it's pretty old. I also like our desert version.
Thanks for sharing !
Awesome vid. Love Flecktarn and have some surplus from 1997 and 1998.
"Looked too aggressive...."
Ah Europe.
*Netherlands.
Britannia what got in your ass?
Indeed Europe , that suffered the most from nazi germany. With that in mind ,and the idea that the Flecktarn still looks a bit like old SS camouflage , rethink the answer of 1 Dutch officer. Further more, is 1 Dutch officer really representive for a army of more the 40 000 soldiers? No
Cucked beyond believe
😂😂😂 "it looked to aggressive" wow and that's why Germany always invaded through Belgium 😂😂😂
because it reminded countries of waffen SS camouflage patterns of ww2
John that was the Netherlands who said that
and the British stopped them twice fact
@@paulmcdonough1093 When did the British ever stop the Germans somewhere? :-D
They didn't even succeed together with the French, but each time they still needed American help :-D
The Netherlands and Belgium and 2 different countries. Belgium has its own Puzzle camouflage pattern. The Dutch Army and Air Force adopted DPM and Mariners adopted the M81 Woodland.
Another reasons why Flecktarn was not adapted was: A. the high ranking officers of the Army hated Flecktarn, reminding them of the SS patterns of WW2. And the troops hated Flecktarn, because the pattern was too small (micropattern), so they complained that Flecktarn looked like a flower wallpaper pattern.
Can't wait for more, great channel. I would love to see some info on how military and high end hunting camo ( kuiu, first lite, Sitka) are different than military camo and what the pros and cons are
Great effort and great job mate, i hope your channel grows big :)
or as known by the service men in 1990 (when i was doing my mandatory draft service) "bekotzte Pferdedecke" meaning "vomited on horse blanket" ;)
@Steve Jobs in our enviorment it works fine ive seen in videos..even in subtropical settings..there are vidoes about different types of camo.
I love German camos they were essentially the pioneers for modern camouflage that is now adopted by most militaries around the world
Thumbs up for the tremors scene. Thinking about that classic the other day.
Quality content, excellent presentation.
I am a russian, but my favorite kind of camouflage is the german 5 colours "flecktarn", and also his russian variant-
"ss leto partizan", which is almost the same like the flecktarn, but with little more different colours and configuration : )
Really love the colors on partizan camo :)
I love the Partizan-Camo too. (But I most love the various Waffen-SS camos!)
@@zerotonic2659 nice taste. SS Palmen pattern and Eichen pattern are very nice!
Nice video, I subbed almost instantly! My advice is to do some more research into pronuciation next time :)
One of the best patterns out there
Tried a few German Flecktarn uniforms in my time. They where excellent in terms of build quallity, well designed and easy and comfortable to wear and better then what we had. Not to mention they looked superb.
VERY interesting video, thanks for making it. I spent two years in Germany, with the US Army, at the end of the cold war-- 87'--88'.
While there, I made a few friends, locally, and was thusly able to inspect, up close, the contemporary German uniforms [in solid colors], as my friends performed their required terms of service.
I remember two main points coming to mind--
#1) I liked the actual material/blend used in their uniforms. It was robust enough not to acquire as many holes as my US BDUs did, while under field conditions. The Deutcher uniforms also seemed more resistant to staying wet like my wool-based BDUs often did... pita for me.
#2) I absolutely could NOT understand why they didn't wear camouflage... To my thinking, at the time everybody was worried about the Russians suddenly crossing the border in their own blitz style invasion. So, while I was glad US uniforms were cammoed, I didnt understand the German thinking.
Thanks for clearing that up for me... That said, they "didnt want to appear too aggressive?!" Isnt that what an Army is for?! Lol
I would love it if you could talk about IDF uniform history
"flecktarn grob" lol. Absolutely hilarious parody of German used throughout
Excellent info and well-put video. Respect from Argentina
A nickname of this Flecktarn pattern is Erbsensuppe (Peasoup)
Ersenmuster looks so reminiscent in the modern flecktarn
Erbsenmuster = peas pattern
You earned a sub, keep up your awesome vids
Nice and detailed video!
It's flecktarn Gross not grob. That b looking symbol is a double s in German
The S-zett, actually a "sz," but is replaced by -ss on non-German keyboards. This is more apparent if you look at street signage in certain German cities, notably in my experience, Berlin.
US Forces were sporting Woodland from at least 86 as that's when I got my first issue.
Great vid. Thank you from Minsk, Belarus.
I Use Flecktarn more than my Multicam, DDPM, Oliva.
I've been collecting flecktarn uniforms for a while now. My favorite is a 90s flecktarn hooded parka. Wear it almost every day.
While you were wearing green overalls the germans had already worn camouflaged pattern uniforms
Vielen Dank! Ich habe lange auf so ein Video gewartet. Deutsche Tarnmuster sind ziemlich gut, aber ich glaube da gibt es verschiedene Meinungen.
Thank you! I've been waiting very long time for such a kind of video. The German camo is very goody but that's only my point of view.
Guter Job 😄
Noch nie gehört.
Flecktarn is a great camouflage! I once used in a softair game the Erbsentarn! A friend of me stood 3 metres away and couldnt see me! No joke! Its a great camouflage and its good, that it was adopted! It saves lifes of soldiers, since it hides perfectly in the suroundings!
An outstanding good video- I served quite a while in the German Forces but still learnt here a lot
Flecktarn might not be prettiest camo, but it does it's job (especially in woods) just too well.
yes. tldr: germany invented the best system of camouflage in the world and now every other country uses it lol
What do you get when the two Germanies unite? Out of the way.
Bill Bird
I spent 1982-84
The United States Air Force Rammstein airbase West Germany Felt excepted and appreciated especially by the older Germans thank you to the German People, enjoyable time...
Auf weidersen
@@OVERHERE-OVERHERE *Auf Wiedersehen.
Bitte gern geschehen.
@@OVERHERE-OVERHERE Times changed.. Ami go home or stay home
" I love Germany so much, I prefer to see two of them"
@@Marco-bf4uu kek
Great video , thank you for sharing. I always wanted to get some surplus Flectarn.
I just recently found your chennal and it super fun thank for good content
History of ERDL camo next? Please?
Germany’s military at its finest! Love them all!
Very interesting. Thank you for the video
Interestingly, I did not know that the standard flecktarn existed and the variant would troppentarn. thanks for attending the request on this camouflage xd
just the way how he pronounces "Schnee-Tarn" makes me cringe everytime when i hear it xD No offense, I absolutely adore your videos!!!
8:16 Bloke sweeping the ground for mines, being filmed by "someone else" STOOD IN FRONT OF HIM.
Very complete!
Very interesting video👍🏻 Learned some new stuff
Will you please do a video on the South African camouflage pattern?
"Flecktarn groß" is pronounced "gross" not "grob".
More like "groos"
The letter "ß" look like a "b"...thats why he pronounced the word "grob".
Many people do not even know that the German Alphabet has a second / other "S" letter. ß = s-zed or eszett in german
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ß
@@baumi8805 ...no, your "groos"... english speaking ppl would spell it gruss/gruß.
I have to laugh every time, when english/american comentators saying Toni Kroos name.
We as Germans know that you pronounce the double o as long "ohhhhhhhh". But there is a word that the whole world
correct pronounces: "Das Boot" ;-)
Grob means rough. So it's kinda the same
I love flectarn surplus stuff. The best rain jacket I have EVER owned was a flec surplus GoreTex I got off of Sportsmans Guide for like, $20.
Drai Farbän Tahrdrouk - I love it when you say these words :)