'I think it was premature' - The Soccer Saturday panel discuss Aston Villa sacking Steven Gerrard
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Following Steven Gerrard's sacking after his Aston Villa sides' loss to Fulham on Thursday, the Soccer Saturday panel discussed whether this was the right decision for the midlands club and who might be the club's next manager.
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Fed up with the media protecting British players and managers
Literally merson was one of the people saying get rid of Arteta. It’s actually so gross. Arteta didn’t almost relegate Arsenal. That’s the difference, if Aston Villa want to give him time it doesn’t mean they’ll just get relegated to league 2 in the name of protecting and English manager. Give harry maguire time, give Shaw time. Yet pogba got crucified and yet I bet you Ten Hag would love pogba in his squad. Pogba shimmies and makes a good pass like KDB, he doesn’t play a massive amount of defence yet was required to by Ole to cover McTominay and Fred constantly. See Liverpool don’t have a good passing midfielder they actually rely on players like Trent and Van Dijk to to do that, get the ball on the wing. It’s gross. Merson said get rid of Arteta, and I don’t doubt for a minute if potter had lost all of his matches they’d be saying give him time. He needs time.
Players and mangers are human beings
They need support
It's because Gerrard is or was a so called big name.
Yeah it's so obviously biased
The media is full of pundits with personal connections to Lamps, Gerrard and active players
Tim Sherwood calling for Eth head after the first two games of the season but Stevie Gs was premature 😂
He's a muppet, don't even try to make sense of it 😄
He ain’t a good British lad tho
When Tim Sherwood comments on other manages he always strikes me as bitter that he failed as a manager.
This aged well! He had 11 months to try something different he didn't he's gone, Danks changed it, to the formation every single Villa fan knew was the way ahead and we win 4-0. Pundits, they know absolutely nothing!
If it was premature to sack Gerrard then it was also premature for him to have accepted that huge role, he was just not getting the needed results with the quality of players at his disposal
"Quality players" they have a similar squad to Leicester overpayed players not good enough for the top 6 and aren't a team like Brighton Brentford Everton Newcastle. Also it was supposed to be a 4 year process with fans who believe they deserve more 😂😂
It’s a terrible squad and he knew you weren’t good enough before the season started. Wasn’t backed enough
@@bmmacbacon9568 Brendan has some juice in the bank with the fa cup and results are picking up also his payout is huge
Only time will tell
@@gamer9 squad is full of overpaid players
He had 38 games and amassed a whopping 44 points. He has made Villa worse than when he joined, not just in terms of the league position, but the intangibles. He never connected with the fans, he alienated players from the squad, the Mings debacle was horrendous. The only reason the sacking is being questioned is because he's English and has a lot of mates in the media.
Not a villa fan but when I saw Dean sacked and gerrard came in I was confused lol why sack dean
A lot of these comments are spot on. I used to support the 'old Rangers', gave up on them when they went bust. The new team is not my team, since I moved, nearly 20 years ago, I have devoted my support to Liverpool FC.
Gerrard is a big name, and that's it!
He is a cr@p manager. Before he won that league up there, he was blaming all sorts. He got schooled by Brendan Rodgers, for instance. He was a great player from 2000-2012. He's lived off that since. He is not clever, he is not tactical. He is a burden on any team who takes him on. Everyone at Rangers and Villa knows that 'the brains' were with Michael Beale!
If I was the Villa Board and I wanted to have a chance to restore old glories, I'd pick Mauricio Pochettino as my next manager.
wrong manager for us,, been clear for months,,,,
But that was villa playerslevel
They were in championship not long ago
What is it with people always talking about them being English? I know being English is what everyone wishes they were but lose the bitterness.
Being English is hard work as we are always viewed by the rest of the world being bitter.
We invented the game so just be grateful for everything the English has done for the world.
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Absolutely sucking up for gerrard it's unbelievable
He's the worst manager I've ever saw at the Villa and we've had a lot
Agree with you absolutely. Why do you think Roberto Mancini isn't getting mentioned in this quickly dwindling list of potential Managers? He ticks all the boxes for me as a Villa fan but for some reason Isn't even in the top8 possible targets.
They probably going around his house for Christmas Dinner.
When Paul Merson couldn;t remember Emi Buendia's name I stopped listening
@@craigedwards3601 You Villa think you should be top six, like its your right
The moment your home fans chanting “Gerard out”, it’s over. What are these people talking about?
Fans are fickle and stupid, look at arteta now need time as a manager
Yea well I'm glad my legend went let's see how u fare now his CV is good villa fans are fickle uve come bk to prem thinking u are a top 6 team or even 8 ludicrous to think ur better than what u believe Clowns
@@illest28s32Aaron Danks>Stevie G
The difference with arteta is you could see a plan he gave youth a chance and players bought in. Villa gave him huge backing. He changed a captaincy but needs the old captain to start now, there isn't a clear style of play and he blamed everyone but himself
Bang on mate
And arsenal wasn't nearly bottom 🤣🤣🤣
Where as he ever blamed anyone but himself
@@tvmanin for 3 games
also the jeopardy isn't the same. Easier to give someone time when there is no chance of relegation
Seriously lads, I wouldn't ask Tim Sherwood's opinion on a flat tyre
Literally made them worse than they were before he came in and had 10 months to develop a style of play and didn’t…
But he’s English…!
@@CJM8615 and when he played he had “pashun!!”
Hardly premature he made poor decisions on and off the pitch, was backed well financially and took the club backwards. Only people thinking otherwise is deluded ex team mates or fan boys.
look what an amateur has done with 2 days,,, we were brilliant today,, gerrard was dreadful,,, an absolute calamity,, maby the worst ever
That's the same crap they said about Arteta...
The problem is SG actually made players worse! Look at JJ, Cash and McGinn…we had no identity and no passion! These experts wouldn’t be defending SG if he wasn’t English, we have been terrible
Premature? He has had a year, a year and made us worse then under Smith. He displayed no tactics, upset players and disconnected the team from the fans. He should of gone weeks go but this constant he needed time from pundits is a joke of an excuse.
3-0 up after 15 minutes…more like they waited too long
Gerrard friends in the media wants Gerrard to take Aston villa to Championship. As a Chelsea fan I would say that Sky sports is fake news
I think the switch of captaincy made things even worse IMO.
Yep. If there is a certain way to generate anti manager player power, its to try and humiliate the Alpha in the dressing roo was the defacto motivator and leader. Mings 1 Gerrard 0
Huge. Signaled that he would publicly shame a well-liked player to impose "his way." and hand it arm band to a player that wasn't seen as captain material. Then when injuries hit had to call on the same shamed player "lead".
@@mediacenterman8583 Yeah good point. Ten Hag has kept Maguire as captain but cleverly not played him so Bruno is the real captain. It shows that there are respectful ways to go about things.
Amusing Merson and Sherwood were convinced Newcastle were gone, certaines
Clearly sticking up for their mate. Gerrard was nothing without a tactics man to actually make it happen on the pitch. Beale was the brains.
4-0 today without Gerrard would say otherwise
So the 4-0 without him was anything but premature.
Today’s performance said all you need to know about the quality of this team. Just needs a coach to get them going. Gerrard is not a coach, he’s a charlatan.
Todays resulting Aston Villa winning 4-0 shows why none of that panel are managers themselves.
Sacking Tim was premature, not Gerrard.
What are these guys on about?. You can lose 3-0 to fulham, But the way they lost, they were shambolic and it was like they were playing against Manchester City. It's definitely down to the manager. It was a system problem not players.
He knew if he didn’t get a win at Fulham he’d be out of the job never mind all this crap about “he found out on the bus” NOT GOOD ENOUGH and a worse record than Deano who is one of our own so why should he keep his job if Deano couldn’t.
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A year is long enough when nothing has improved. Even poor performances are acceptable when your getting results, but we had neither.
This is a parody of a parody sketch I watched last week about sacking English managers compared to foreign ones . The joke was English manager "not enough time ".. foreign manager " he's had a week sack him"😄
Yeah but we know how good English people are so they get more support. It makes me laugh how people are bitter towards the English!
After Brentford today,it was clearly Gerrards fault!
Great players don’t always make great managers remember that😢
Alex ferguson didnt win a thing in his first 3 seasons at utd also came 11th in his second season , winning the fa cup against crystal palace in 1990 saved his job , he had been at utd since 1987 , all managers should be given a bit of time , look what he done after winning the fa cup .
@@hididdleydee6804 Fergie was nae a great player. Don't be a revisionist.
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@@hididdleydee6804 Football has changed alot since 25 years ago if you haven't noticed. Managers aren't given 3 years, there is too much money to be made or lost in this day and age
I agree the way he was sacked was wrong, I agree the way some of our fans chanting "get out of our club" was shocking.
But all this I feel for him by pundits I don't agree with, he played a system that none of us understood and apart from his first few games and the 3 wins a row last season we have got worse ever since.
He had to go in the end.
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The two aren't comparable, I'm sick of hearing about arsenal, this is villa. Arsenal has a game plan, you could see that though they wasn't getting the results they wanted, the fans could see it coming together. With Stevie G, there was no game plan, after 10 months every single player went backwards - it wasn't a good fit.
These were the same pundits calling for Arteta head even after he led Arsenal to winning the FA cup. Slippy G was way over his head and deserved to get fired.
Michael Beale was the main influence on that Aston Villa side.
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Firstly Gerrard was told in person before he got on the bus. He was also told if he loses he would be gone.
When a team is literally worse than when he started, then its time to go, most players have actually regressed.
Digging out players as IF that was the issue. How about assessing his job as a rookie prem manager?
Piss poor players, tiny club , deluded expectations
I agree but I think your under estimating how toxic digging players out in public is. Clearly his man management played a bigger part than tactics as Villa have just won 4-0 without any new coaching. From watching his interviews criticising individual players, he honestly didn’t strike me as someone I would like to work for.
This aged well... Premature? Perfect time! 12 games into the 23/24 season 5th in the league 1 year later, 3 points off top, scored more goals than any other team 13 home wins in a row, 3+ goals per game at home for the last 6 games, and not doing shabby in the european conference league either!..... What a load of crap! These people supposed to know what they are talking about football wise?
The expectation was that we'd do better than last seasons 14th spot, to be more competitive in the league, a cup run. I think those are fair and realistic objectives. No?
When did Paul Merson turn into one half of Statdler and Waldorf? 😂
4-0 win and they are saying premature 😂 gerrard was the problem
They are in a title race right now.
On some twisted level I find it wholesome all the british boys backup their own even when its blatantly obvious that they are out of their depth 🤣
Stop blaming Mings, it was the way he was thrown under the bus that upset the fans! We have been Garbage for 22 games now not just this season. He was going anyway and that's why the Owner was over to see it out. They have piled hundreds of millions into this club, they can do what they like. Ps I did think the way he went was a bit rapid and smacked of desperation.
We’ll never go forward with mings, the love the fans give him is a joke
@@brettworrallo395 we can get better but hes the best of what we have got and gives 100% every game.
@@cureit9161 he’s no chance better than konsa and he’s got a rotten attitude mings never apologises for his mistakes
@@brettworrallo395 without him midweek, we may have conceded 2 or 3 more!
@@cureit9161 didn’t he score an og? Didn’t he the game before hand mount a goal then gave a rash free kick away for mount and didn’t he the before that make a silly foul on edge of box and too top it off he lost his man for the goal, also errors leading too goals in the prem excluding goalies mings is out infront clearly
Gerrard seems well qualified to become next England manager.
Clinton Morrison - "There's not much more he could have done". There is a lot more he could have done. "He didn't know his best team" - A manager in a Premier League Job that hasn't figure out a competitive starting 11 after 11 months in the job deserves to be fired.
Of course they love defending their mates.
Almost like Villa knew what they were doing 😂
Sean Dyche is a very good shout for the Villa job. He would certainly get the team fighting for the shirt.
Gerrard would of won the league by now
That's the championship after relegation last year
I think their opinions will change after the 4-0 win.
The clubs should take some blame. The practice of picking out players who have just retired as managers for PL clubs should be ended unless they were a player coach. Gerrard has all the seriousness and confidence you need but he couldn’t get the team to play well consistently.
They were all wrong 😂
Paul Merson & Tim Sherwood the Arsenal coach worked under Pep for a while which did him good, appointing Gerrard was a massive risk, and he was out of depth in the P.L the club has NOT improved under Gerrard at all, he should of gone weeks ago.
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If it was premature then why are Villa absolutely smashing Brentford right now? Hmmm?
It's interesting when Gerrard was at Rangers him and his backroom staff were trusted and the players and fans bought into everything Gerrard was saying in part no doubt because of his profile and reputation in the game and there was an improvement in our team especially against Celtic and in Europe, losing points against low blocks being the only obvious exception that stood out. Watching from afar I never saw other than the first few weeks the same sort of excitement at Villa from the fans and it doesnt appear the players either. I dont think Villa is a bad team and I dont think Gerrard is a bad manager, something though certainly didnt click however. Does anyone think egos and personal relationships have played a large part in this or is it just plain football tactics and player choices etc? Serious question for those interested in offering a view point as I certainly am intrigued.
Yeah defo egos has played a massive part, i believe sg's ego didnt help with mings situation capataincy too much favouritism with ex england team mates collegues. Ie ings and Young. He seemed like he didnt know his best team
Poor man management. His "legendary player" aura wore off quickly once he was exposed as a coach and manager of personalities. Stubbornness with tactics didn't help.
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We aren't cut off yet but will be if we continue like this and we've been like this for about 30 games, since the new manager bounce we have gone backwards.
Arteta won the FA Cup early on.
Only thing he will be winning
Aged well. Emery is doing well.
4-0 victory today, with only 2 days to prepare, makes these premature comments laughable
Premature what are you on about villa have not done enough and he should have sacked ages ago .I'm sick of ex players defending the undefendable .
Does anyone else not see how players dont perform because of there dislike of managers and once they get there managers sacked they start playing well? Funny how aston villa win 4-0 now gerrard is gone
Any football pundit that thinks Steven Gerrard's sacking at Aston Villa was premature has absolutely no idea what the hell they are talking about and they clearly haven't watched a villa game in his final 6 months in charge. These clowns are stealing a living.
There was a lot SG could have done, such as played the players in the right positions, have a style of play & some tactics would have been nice. Every team gets injuries, it is a poor excuse.
This has aged well. Just shows what is possible with a proper manager in charge. Villa with Champions league football.
as much as his results weren’t great, villa having gerrard as a manager added to their pull of players, and long term even if gerrard doesn’t take them to success they shouldn’t kept him to sign a few better young players for the future
Following day 4-0. It's only one game but wow.
The same thing happened to lampard at chelsea. I’m sure he will be back if he learns from his mistakes. Lampard learned from his mistakes, and is really good rn
@Giwrgos Petrou Gerrard was the better player don't chat waffle
@Giwrgos Petrou yea so we're talking about players not team trophies bro Lampard has had a way better squad then Gerrard. Lampard wouldn't of made Liverpool win in Istanbul but Gerrard did
@Giwrgos Petrou Not even a close comparison kid your acting like Porto was always trash and that Messi didn't just shone in Barca and PSG. Lampard is a good player no doubt but not on the level of Stevie G
@Giwrgos Petrou no not as player bro and I ain't a Liverpool supporter bro
Gerrard gets sacked and the first game after that Villa win 4-0. Football is a very strange game sometimes!! That indicates that the players wanted rid of him maybe?? It’s terrible in a way because Villa fans are within their rights to say why haven’t we seen a performance like that before Gerrard was sacked??
4 wins in 22. No.
I agree managers need time but 4 in 22 and no signs of a pulse is not acceptable.
lol, a year later and villa are 3rd in the table, 4 points clear of Man City. Those who can, do. Those who can't become TV pundits.
Punditry as a concept is a joke and this is a perfect example. You get generalists with certain club affiliations with no real clue. Some of these have been managers, some elite players, some both and honestly in many cases that is the shock. How? Bottom line, assessing performance based on "oh this happened at another club in similar circumstances" or "oh they still would have met their objective as they had the time in the season" is as basic as it gets and then calling out fans who are the real experts of their clubs is frankly arrogant. From a fans perspective: Steven Gerrard got MORE time and protection than his performances deserved, not less. Over 38 games we had 11 wins. 3 of them came in his first 6 games. 9 of them last season. 4 of those 9 against 2 teams that were relegated. This season only 2 wins. 7 goals scored, a season low xG below 1 and less international call ups than when he inherited the squad. All indicators point towards a change so lets use these facts to control the narrative rather than the need to protect the iconic Steven Gerrard (who I admired massively as a player).
Gerrard was supposed to takeover after Klopp, yes please
Gerrard did an appalling impersonation of a football manager at Villa and was rightly sacked
Thank god our owners didn't heed these ex-player punters' advice.
He didn’t do his job, he was brought in to improve us and made us worse. He had no clue what he was doing, he had no idea what his team was, how to talk to and connect with the fans or how to use subs or change the team if it’s not working. Job
Failed, bye.
This didn't age well after the 4-0 win! Maybe the players wanted him out or maybe the Mings dressing down upset the applecart but at the end of the day he didn't win enough games!!!! Devotion to Ramsey and McGinn when the formation wasn't working and, bearing in mind the owners met before the Fulham game, something was already afoot.
On Beale, the same 11 points, games doesn't tell the right story. Beale was responsible for all the training, coaching, he managed the team but he wasn't responsible for team selection, tactics nor in-game tactics which might explain that Gerrard was responsible for those games as well NOT Beale 🤷♀️
Now you know Lampard is better manager and player than Gerrard.
Not player but manager sure but that doesn't mean Lampard is a great manager tho
@@dennisgoatimer1079 Lampard played more games, scored more goals, assisted more goals and won more cups than Gerrard. I don't know how you measure the success!
@@abdulrazakabduljalil664 wasn't the catalyst for success for their club unlike Gerrard. Lampard was in a far better squad so he's bound to win more get more assists goals etc but Gerrard for most of his career didn't have that just look at Istanbul that team shouldn't even be in the final yet they win it with the help of Gerrard. Lampard wouldn't of gotten that same result let me tell you that for free
@@dennisgoatimer1079 You have your own assumptions? Let's talk about the 2005 Europe and World best player result? Lampard came 2nd position twice in both World and Europe while Gerrard came third in Europe behind Lampard.
@@abdulrazakabduljalil664 so he had a better squad
4 wins in 22 games across the end of last season to this season. Listen - Steven Gerrard is a premier league legend but that means pundits he won four games with a pre-season and 18 games unwon. That’s half a season of games lost almost. Stop defending Gerrard. I like him as human but he failed in this job. End of.
Media plaudits who are meant to be experts are getting it all wrong backing Gerrard l. Today's game has shown he got it completely wrong
I just don't get how people can say it's premature. They've gone backwards in every way - connection with the fans is worse than under Dean Smith, tactically they were so easy to figure out, results were awful. He spent 90 million on the players he wanted and made them worse! I agree with Merse that short-termism is a big problem in football, but as an arsenal fan Arteta both gave us more promise (the FA cup win, bringing in some really good players who immediately made us better) and is tactically so much better than Gerrard ever was in the prem.
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the board must be pleased that the Soccer Saturday panel think they did the wrong thing. You can't get bigger proof that you were correct
Way to big too soon for stevie g. He should’ve spend more time outside the prem. Perhaps stayed at rangers then gone off to Spain etc and come to the prem after a few more seasons under his belt.
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Stephen G was/is a class act.
Hopefully he dose give up.
Amazing player 👏
If he wasn’t English this conversation wouldn’t be happening this has been going on since last season
What a plonka
These were the same media members who couldn't stop criticising Ole. Even though he achieved his objective of getting Utd into the Champions League twice and losing a European final. It's a joke how bias these guys are.
I love the sentence "you could be the best in the world, you could be Guldiola..if Mings is doing what he is doing..you have got no chance"
This is what happened to Ole Gunnar with Maguire, Pogba and Ronaldo( scored goals but team destroyer of his late years) ...so Manutd and Ole were always doomed to fail..
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Jack Grealish was gone before he arrived at the club and he knew it. I can;t see why that is relevant. Paul Merson couldn't even remember Emi Buendia's name.
Skysports is embarrassing. The narrative they spew defending Gerrard whilst trying to discredit villa as a club is embarrassing.
Nah, well deserved, he sucked at that club.
First game without Gerrard in charge and we win 4-0.. Premature my ass
Seeing what Unai has done, no, not premature at all.
Wasn't handled with class if that was as I suspect Purslow phoning him on the bus that's out of order , but he was a boxer on the ropes getting absolutely battered for the whole round it had gone behond morbid curiosity the towel had to be thrown in to save Stevie from serious brain damage , after villa feel a bit embarrassed like Usyk did hearing the after match excuses but it had to be done for everyone involved...utv
these guys .... said he needed more time, then Villa bang 4 in . He was schooled by an assistant coach who set the team up in 2 days .
Aston villa will go down this year😂
Give them time. Please remember those words before you ask for ETH TO go .
The media can't wait to criticise Eth or Man United though. That's the difference.
Why is André villas boas not been mentioned at all.
He’d be a good option for Villa.
Solid track record, knows the premier league, available.
Why isn't Roberto Mancini being mentioned either? Mancini ticks all the boxes for me.
In all honesty when do the media have anything good to say about villa. If anything it’s always negative, we’ll use to it by now….
Back here may 2023...these pundits have no clue
Arsenal were never in danger of getting relegated. GERRARD showed no progression what so ever. Actually ended up in a worse position than when he came in
Gerrard set this trajectory when he stripped Mings of the captaincy....an action intended to stamp authority, disregarding what offered the greatest chance of success on the pitch. It was a decision taken with the intent to be punitive & pushing the armband on to mcginn, with the full knowledge of how it would humiliate, was incredibly ill conceived, arrogant & ultimately, divisive.