The New Yamaha Montage M || My Favorite Analog Sounds

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  • čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
  • Workstation keyboards have long been an important part of my rig, but never because of the sounds. Rather, because of their flexibility and ability to control my other keyboards via MIDI. Well, that may have just changed because the new Yamaha Montage (I got the m6) can actually do a pretty decent job at emulating analog sounds. This video is of me at soundcheck playing through some of the sounds from the AN-X engine.
    00:00 Tacky Square
    00:13 Video Description
    00:32 CS Dreams
    00:47 Deep Pitch Kino
    01:13 AN-X Sync Dual
    01:36 AN-X Sawtooth Scenes
    01:50 CS Dreams
    02:12 Classic Sine Ld
    02:38 Soft Pad
    02:55 Dual Slow Pad PAT
    02:42 SinezPad
    03:59 80s Stab Machine
    04:42 Underwater Worlds
    05:12 Warming Pads
    05:40 MY THOUGHTS
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Komentáře • 131

  • @modularreview1150
    @modularreview1150 Před 8 měsíci +11

    As a Nord, Moog & Elektron loyalist, I love bare-bones raw synthesis...however, I had an opportunity to play the new Yamaha and I was thoroughly impressed with how sonically dynamic it was. It was both fat & sharp, while simultaneously delivering a satisfying depth. Yamaha nailed it!

  • @John007Jackson
    @John007Jackson Před 7 měsíci +2

    Just sold my Montage 8 and bought the Montage M8x and wow. I'm blown away at the touch of that keybed, all wood, and the hammer-grade action is amazing. THE PIANO'S ARE AMAZING!!!!!!! I will soon post videos of me playing it. Love your video exploring those analogy sounds OMG, can't wait to find everyone of those sounds you played.

  • @narfsounds
    @narfsounds Před 8 měsíci

    Sounds phenomenal!

  • @analogaddict
    @analogaddict Před 8 měsíci +5

    Another analog snob here..! I always record with my analog gear, Cwejman, Moog, Oberheim, Studio-Electronics, Juno-60, MKS-70 and more. The big problem has always been getting these sounds translated to the stage, in a more workstation-esque format. With the Montage M, I can program loads of the basic analog sounds in the VA engine and then sample character stuff. The combination is EXTREMELY useful. The fact that each single sound can have 127 (!!!) parts puts this in Kurzweil territory in terms of flexibility... These are good times to be a keyboard player!

  • @LIFELOVER715
    @LIFELOVER715 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Besides demonstrating some of the great capabilities of the instrument, the presentation with views and vantage point over the arena are impressive and aspirational.

  • @jborg3260
    @jborg3260 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Sounds amazing great video!

  • @GeorgeAmodei21
    @GeorgeAmodei21 Před 8 měsíci

    Thank You for this VId!!! :)

  • @AudioAtmos
    @AudioAtmos Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great demo and video showing off the AN-X engine. I love my M8x. There’s been a lot of complaining about the M6 and M7 not having PAT or the GEX key bed. To me for a live gig board the less weight and FSX key bed makes sense. I got the M8x as a stay in the studio board. It’s nice to see videos like yours getting out there that shows off the great sound and isn’t negative.

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +1

      thanks! yeah I support making compromises to keep the weight down on this board. That's really the one big upside of the ModX6...so easy to take anywhere. As of now, I'm taking the montage around in a big road case and I'm definitely missing the convenience of the ModX in it's little backpack soft case.

    • @georgegeorgio1751
      @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci

      @@SamGutman So would you welcome a lightweight less costly ModX6 like version of the new series?

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      for sure. I did just come from the ModX6 though. The number one thing I miss about it is the size and weight.@@georgegeorgio1751

    • @georgegeorgio1751
      @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci

      @@SamGutman And the thing i'll like about it is that it would be affordable.

  • @davidochenrider8152
    @davidochenrider8152 Před 8 měsíci

    I was glad to come across your video. Subscribed.

  • @miekwavesoundlab
    @miekwavesoundlab Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks for spending $10k per hour at this rehearsal space to bring us this video

  • @waldemar.golebski
    @waldemar.golebski Před 8 měsíci +1

    Nice rehearsal room ;)

  • @AJL200
    @AJL200 Před 8 měsíci

    Great location for the play thru video 😅😊👍🏼

  • @angusbabb4913
    @angusbabb4913 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Great keyboard , after watching your tour rig video i thought you might like it 🙂👍

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +2

      yeah it would have been cool to have had it at the time of the tour rig video. One of the other keyboard players was bringing a prototype of it to rehearsals for the past year, so I already had some sense that it was capable of richer and deeper sounds than the ModX. I still have a lot of love for the ModX though...there's definitely a place for prioritizing weight and convenience.

  • @khayree
    @khayree Před 8 měsíci

    We appreciate your video. And we especially appreciate the minimal talking. So many guys do reviews on this keyboard, and all you hear is blah blah blah blah blah. Thank you.

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      thanks! yeah I knew I wanted to show the sounds and also share a few thoughts, and it took some thinking to figure out how to balance those things. I tend to gravitate towards the "all sounds no talk" type of videos when I'm curious about a product.

  • @Richard_P_James
    @Richard_P_James Před 8 měsíci +3

    You used 2 of my factory Performances in the demo 👍😁😎

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      Awesome! which ones? Thank you for your amazing work!

  • @georgegeorgio1751
    @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It's great that Yamaha has finally come up with a great virtual analog engine (apart from their mini reface CS which was not professional but a good intro) but now they need to put this into a more affordable package as the competition has had many options in this dept for a long time.

    • @xandertreffers
      @xandertreffers Před 8 měsíci +1

      The Yamaha EX5 was the first synth to have the virtual analogue engine, duophonic, but sounds incredible; then there was the AN1x with basically the same engine, 10 note polyphony; then came the the PLG150-AN cards for in the CS6x, S80, S90, Motif, S90ES, MotifES, AN-200, etc.
      Yamaha had the technology, but abandoned it for decades. I'm super happy that it's back, but there are some other lost technologies as well: Virtual Acoustic (VL synthesis) in the VL1 and EX5, the plugged instruments kind of VA synthesis in the VP1, FDSP (in the EX5) and having your AWM waves being a carrier in your FM synthesis (SY77 & SY99).

    • @xandertreffers
      @xandertreffers Před 8 měsíci +3

      Actually: The AN1x (1997) was the first one, one year before the EX5 (1998). I mixed them up, because I myself bought the EX5 the minute it came out and the AN1x just after it, lol.

  • @JimDaneker
    @JimDaneker Před 8 měsíci +5

    I've been eyeing this one closely even though I'm not a fan of most workstation style keyboards. But the thought of all Yamaha's engines - especially FM and AN now - under one hood is appealing. As for the analog stuff, most presets I've heard so far sound a bit generic. However, I've heard one or two where people really start twisting knobs and playing with circuit drift, etc., and I must say, it ventures eerily close to Prophet territory!

    • @productamadeus8745
      @productamadeus8745 Před 8 měsíci +1

      I wish they would do a wavetable engine as well. That and poly aftertouch and I’m sold!

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +3

      yeah it would be cool if they hadn't reserved the poly aftertouch for just the m8x. I don't find myself using that a whole lot anyway though. I probably would more if I wasn't playing it in a band context, where a lot of the nuances get lost. @@productamadeus8745

    • @productamadeus8745
      @productamadeus8745 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@SamGutman Yep. The real play here is gonna be the Montage VST. Like literally is that just Halion configured to sound different?

    • @AudioAtmos
      @AudioAtmos Před 8 měsíci +3

      FYI, to those that may not know the M6 and M7 will receive complete PAT midi info from another controller/synth that has PAT. Not exactly a perfect solution, but nice to know.

    • @productamadeus8745
      @productamadeus8745 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@AudioAtmos Well that’s good but kinda defeats the purpose by having 2 big ole keyboards.

  • @matthewkitchens5796
    @matthewkitchens5796 Před 8 měsíci

    Oh you had me at zelda

  • @furiobisotti8150
    @furiobisotti8150 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I don't agree. Analog emulation is a normal thing on workstations since many years. Korg Kronos is a perfect example. Also Kurzweil has a way with VAST.
    Maybe MontageM is a powerful instrument (I will test it soon). Hopefully with a nice analog editing. I will buy it when its VST will be ready and running. I am used to play live with a computer and midi controllers so I would consider a Montage M8X to let it at home and carrying its library with me. I hope it will be possible. With Korg Keystage (light 61 keys controller with polyphonic aftertouch)

  • @tonylancer7367
    @tonylancer7367 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Interesting observation. I’ve never had the chance to play an analog synth, so it’s interesting to hear you say it’s pretty good.
    My main question is how this compares to Roland’s offering (ZenCore) and the Korg Kronos/Nautilus only AL-1.

    • @mrdali67
      @mrdali67 Před 8 měsíci

      imo, I'm not very impressed with the Roland zen cores, but maybe I just never got why the big Phantom had to be that expensive. Have a Kronos 2 73 and nothing still beats its posibilities. I love the sound of the new Montage M. Definetly want one. Just wish I could combine the Yamaha quality keybeds with the Hydrasynth's touch strip. Would have been a true showstopper like the CS 80. At least Yamaha is moving forward while Korg is moving backwards. Like many others I have a feeling that the Nautilus just is the last iteration of the Oasys too squeeze the last money out of people while figuring out if it's worth it to make a new showstopper board.

  • @Duakeys
    @Duakeys Před 8 měsíci

    Hey Sam, congrats on your channel. Cool stuff and informative. Can I ask you what in ear monitors you use/recommend? Or any considerations regarding in ears? I’m ready to buy a pair but have 0 experience with them . Thank you!

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Hi Duakeys! so I'm actually yet to have a decent pair of IEMs. Right now I use the Shure 215s, and I don't like them. I also use those noise cancelling headphones that you'll sometimes see construction workers or people who work on airport tarmacs wear. I put those over my IEMs for even better isolation and it works very well, although it doesn't look very cool. I'm planning to get some molds done in the next month or so.

    • @Duakeys
      @Duakeys Před 8 měsíci

      Thank you Sam! I really appreciate your reply, and congrats on all your work! You are truly making it happen. Much respect and much success to you!

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      Thanks!@@Duakeys best wishes to you!

  • @aquaticborealis4877
    @aquaticborealis4877 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Analog emulation, when done right, is very close to the real thing now. I don’t think many people can tell the difference. You have to listen to the same sound right next to each other, and even then it can be tricky. Check out Vulture Culture’s comparison of the Matrix 6 to the new Gforce OB-X plug-in with similar patches. It is very hard to tell the difference on some of the sounds.

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      I'd be very curious to do some kind of blindfolded test...or something like that.

  • @uhoh007
    @uhoh007 Před 8 měsíci

    Where is your Osmose? Seriously. For driving a lead or any single note mission.....that's the arrow I'd want in my quiver. Subscribed, TY for this one. PS: did you ever have a Access Virus?

  • @axelmaldini4218
    @axelmaldini4218 Před 8 měsíci

    Bro, how many of the typical sounds [old, nothing new here] do you use in the songs from that concert? Any PAD only? With an SY-77 you would have had more than enough, greetings!

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      You mean, how many of the sounds in the concert are on the old MontagesModXs as well? Probably most of them actually. Since I just got the board I haven't had a lot of time to integrate new things into the set...and the set has been basically the same for a few months now.

  • @AJL200
    @AJL200 Před 8 měsíci

    I notice that you used on-ear or over-ear headphones in the short live clip you showed. Is that your usual monitoring setup or was it just because the Montage was a new board? Thanks

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Good question! I use shure 215 in-ear monitors, and occasionally I put protective earphones over them...the kind construction workers or people who work on airport tarmacs use. I do this just for some extra isolation. I don't really like my IEMs, and it's just such a loud and boomy stage that the little bit of extra protection helps me have a clear sound.

    • @AJL200
      @AJL200 Před 8 měsíci

      @@SamGutman thanks for reply 👍🏼

  • @oonamorrioghanblackthorne
    @oonamorrioghanblackthorne Před 7 měsíci

    I’m always hearing the argument of analog vs digital vs analog emulation but what most don’t understand is analog and digital are not the same including emulation. It not because of controls are warmth or aged circuits. What makes the real difference is a process called “antialiasing”. As in images , antialiasing is a process of limiting the amount of data a processor has to compute. To be effective at reproducing an analog sound in the exact same way it would need to be digitally recorded at around 1140kbps which is much higher than the max of 198kbps used in digital recording. Now most ears can’t tell the past 41kbps but surprisingly humans can hear with more than their ears. It is found hair follicles move with high frequency and body cavities will respond to low frequency sounds. True analog will always sound and feel better than digital due to down sampling.

  • @nickelodeus
    @nickelodeus Před 8 měsíci

    I realise they’re a good few years old now Sam, but analog engine wise, how does this sound compared to a Kronos?

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I'm not sure. One of the other guys in the band has a Kronos as part of his rig, but he uses it for completely different sounds so it's hard to say. I'll have to check it out.

  • @ferenclucas2842
    @ferenclucas2842 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Not snob, analog is a different class of instrument. Not obsolete like a 486 PC. Instrument in its own right. When you play them live you can feel it.

  • @demuntresmith6666
    @demuntresmith6666 Před 8 měsíci

    Sound good do like better then the mox8

  • @wilcandou
    @wilcandou Před 8 měsíci +4

    I feel that the polyphonic aftertouch that's not in the m6/7 isn't that big of a deal as you still can assign this via an external midi source because its exactly the same operating structure. I'll be saving $$$ and getting the m6. ❤

    • @roggyo
      @roggyo Před 8 měsíci +5

      It is a big deal, because ppl are buying workstations to have all in one box! It’s crazy even to think about buying a keyboard for 4.500€ and needing additional external MIDI controller to play it optimally. I think costumers should have some dignity and show to big brands that they can’t do whatever they want with crazy prices and still get our support. And BTW AN-X VA engine is nothing huge. Roland and Korg have virtual analog synth engines for a long time. And Roland will in Fantom add ACB sound engine with simple firmware update, comparing to Yamaha that discontinued old Montage and MODX for the sake of one additional sound engine. And BTW Roland ACB virtual analog engine is the best digital engine that emulates analog synths, because it’s modeling analog behavior. So instead of discontinuing old workstation and make new one that is almost the same as old one, just to sell it for crazy price Yamaha could make firmware update to old Montage, so old owners would not have to sell their old Montages and buy new for crazy price, because Roland and Korg are doing it on that way. Roland even expended user memory with firmware update, yet Yamaha discontinued MODX and introduced MODX+ to expend user memory.

    • @GrayGhostDog1
      @GrayGhostDog1 Před 8 měsíci +4

      IMHO, Yamaha not including PAT on the M6/M7 boards was a huge swing and a miss! Korg's Nautilus AT 61-key workstation may be a better alternative... they've had VA sound engines for quite some time now plus FM and physical modeling. If the lack of more physical buttons/knobs/sliders is not an issue for you, you'll be saving even more $$$!

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +2

      These are some interesting points. I'm curious how the keyboard does over the longer term, because in a certain sense that will validate whether they provided the sounds and functionality that the market wanted. I'm very curious to try the Roland ACB engine now that you mention it.@@roggyo

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I do wonder though how important PAT is to most people. I guess we'll see@@GrayGhostDog1

    • @GrayGhostDog1
      @GrayGhostDog1 Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@roggyo ... I'm not so sure I understand why Roland would require, let alone be capable of, ACB when the Fantom series has the Zencore technology. From my understanding, they released Zencore because of complaints that ACB was a huge resource hog.

  • @richardjanes1695
    @richardjanes1695 Před 8 měsíci +3

    I couldn't imagine paying close to five grand for the montage.

    • @user-mq4nm8rf8b
      @user-mq4nm8rf8b Před 8 měsíci

      Did you say 5 Gs

    • @user-mq4nm8rf8b
      @user-mq4nm8rf8b Před 8 měsíci

      I guess I'll stick with ableton live and my yamaha mox

    • @user-mq4nm8rf8b
      @user-mq4nm8rf8b Před 8 měsíci

      Imagine you pay 4 to 5 thousand for a roland or yamaha and two years later they render it pretty much obsolete with a flashy few new presets dang

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      yeah it's pretty steep for sure. If I'm going strictly off of price I'd choose the ModX. It can do most of what I need...and I have other boards for the analog sounds. That being said I do love the new Montage and a lot of the new features are very useful to me.

  • @borispradel1037
    @borispradel1037 Před 8 měsíci +1

    It sounds good on its own right, but it doesn't sound analog, not VCO at least, maybe late 80's DCO at best. In my opinion the best analog-sounding workstation is still the Kronos/Nautilus.

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci

      a few people have said that...I'll be sure to check it out

  • @bryanbradshaw6538
    @bryanbradshaw6538 Před 8 měsíci

    What artist do you go on tour with?

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Right now I'm with Lauryn Hill & The Fugees

  • @briann5001
    @briann5001 Před 8 měsíci

    Only thing thar sounds analog is the cs 80

  • @vanessajazp6341
    @vanessajazp6341 Před 8 měsíci +1

    The AN-X engine really changed the game for workstation synths.
    It obviously cannot do as many things as a Prophet or a Moog, but it's close. Add the ease of use that digital brings and it's a clear winner for the stage.
    It will never be a replacement for those classic synths, but it was never designed with that in mind.

    • @roggyo
      @roggyo Před 8 měsíci +3

      How they changed the game? Roland and Korg workstations have virtual analog engines, FM synthesis and even wavetable synthesis for a long time. And in addition to all that Organ and piano engines comparing to Yamaha. Korg has even physical modeling synth engine in their workstations for a long time. Yamaha used to have in EX5 workstation from the end of 90s physical modeling, VA and FM synth engines in addition to samples. It’s EX5 was their last decent synth workstation, after they focused on samples and bred and butter sounds. So Yamaha with new Montage M showed that their synth department is still sleeping. It’s a pity, because they used to make good synths!

    • @GrayGhostDog1
      @GrayGhostDog1 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@roggyo Spot on! I was thinking the exact same thing.

    • @vanessajazp6341
      @vanessajazp6341 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@roggyo Good point.
      However, FM is a proprietary technology of Yamaha. I believe the FM sounds on the other boards are samples, not the actual operators that are on Yamaha boards. (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
      With the Montage series, you can start completely from scratch with the FM engine, add and structure the operators however you want, and then process the sound through their dedicated SmartMorph engine plus effects, of course. You have real-time control of the FM synthesis engine much the way you can control changes with subtractive/wavetable synthesis. I don't know that any other brand gives you that. FM synthesis has historically been complex and difficult, but the Montage series makes that much more user-friendly.
      With the Montage M series, you now have all of that synthesis control on top of their world class AWM2 samples.
      I almost bought a Kronos years ago because I always loved Kong synth sounds the most. Unfortunately back then I wasn't as financially well off as I am now, and anyway I've always loved Yamaha's AWM2 samples best.
      Now I have a Hydrasynth Deluxe sitting next to my Montage, LOL!

    • @dynoroad
      @dynoroad Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@vanessajazp6341 FM is not proprietary of Yamaha, though they do a stellar job of implementing it. The 8 operator version in the montage does have some neat tricks though that's unique to that engine. I think where the Yamaha really shines is actually more to do with the quality of the outputs. They just sound very good, especially within a band context.

    • @vanessajazp6341
      @vanessajazp6341 Před 8 měsíci

      @@dynoroad Most literature I've seen over the years always notes FM synthesis as proprietary to Yamaha.
      It's a complex form of synthesis developed in the early 70's that never saw any success until the developer sold the rights to Yamaha and they used it for their groundbreaking DX keyboards. Almost every #1 hit from the mid-80's had a DX somewhere in the mix.

  • @user-kw9rc8tn1l
    @user-kw9rc8tn1l Před 8 měsíci +1

    I love my new M7😊

  • @NatLifeSounds
    @NatLifeSounds Před 8 měsíci

    An1x can do same i think)

    • @georgegeorgio1751
      @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci

      at less quality with more noise and distortion but some loke lo fi.

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds Před 8 měsíci

      @@georgegeorgio1751 less quality? Lofi? Are you a joke?😄😄 it's a most clear quality synth I ever heard.

    • @georgegeorgio1751
      @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci

      @@NatLifeSounds Not from what some of my friends have said , they owned one for a few years.

    • @NatLifeSounds
      @NatLifeSounds Před 8 měsíci

      @@georgegeorgio1751 you can believe them of course, but my ears hear it as a top clear quality synth. It sounds huge in all senses. I hope I will release a sound library for this synth soon, to show how it can be good.

    • @InnerVisions68
      @InnerVisions68 Před 8 měsíci

      @@NatLifeSoundsThe Montage has a much higher quality DAC and overall sound quality. It’s a fact.

  • @matthewkitchens5796
    @matthewkitchens5796 Před 8 měsíci

    Dude are you in front of a green screen

    • @SamGutman
      @SamGutman  Před 8 měsíci +2

      nope! although it has crossed my mind that when I'm on the road I should figure out a way to green screen myself into my basement studio.

  • @carstendaembkes
    @carstendaembkes Před 8 měsíci

    It sounds too clean.. it's as simple as that..

  • @AmtmannAusTirol
    @AmtmannAusTirol Před 6 měsíci +2

    Noise and rubbish; and a immature guy turning a knob. Boring, and nearly no music

  • @bateimidrashnetwork
    @bateimidrashnetwork Před 8 měsíci +10

    Nothing analog about this... more like 90's VA

    • @theclaverman
      @theclaverman Před 8 měsíci

      Agree..

    • @X22GJP
      @X22GJP Před 8 měsíci +3

      Nobody is saying it is analog...high horse, off it, all that jazz.

    • @theclaverman
      @theclaverman Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@X22GJP No, but it is supposed to emulate analog…..

    • @bateimidrashnetwork
      @bateimidrashnetwork Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@X22GJP i didn't claim that as well. It's a virtual analog engine. Now VA's have progressed quite a bit. If you want a point of comparison then for example the Nord Lead A1 sounds way more convincing as a VA. The sounds coming out of the AN-X sound like a 90's VA, very digital and not very convincing as an analog emulation

    • @georgegeorgio1751
      @georgegeorgio1751 Před 8 měsíci

      With this much cpu power i'm sure there'll be updates that will overshadow what Nord can do.