Calculating Power and the Probability of a Type II Error (A Two-Tailed Example)
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2013
- An example of calculating power and the probability of a Type II error (beta), in the context of a two-tailed Z test for one mean. Much of the underlying logic holds for other types of tests as well.
I have a related video with a one-tailed Z test example available at • Calculating Power and ... .
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Hi, thank you very much. I just watched your previous video about the relationship btwn alpha, beta and power. I am now going to make notes on this. Thank you once again you have done an amazing job at explaining the basic concept.
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Great explanation! But how would you find the type 2 error if the variance is unknown? Is it different if since you are using a t-test instead of a z test?
I believe you mixed up power and type two error. The value we find from the z score table, the area of overlap should be the beta error, not the power.
No, I did not make that error.
Hi, I was thinking the same thing after seeing the One-Tailed video then seeing this one. Here is a rationalization that helped me figure out what is actually going on. (Your comment is 4 years old so this is more to help me remember on my exam than it is for you.)
Recall that the null hypothesis is that the true mean is equal to 75. If the true mean is in fact 76, then the null hypothesis is false, thus the distribution of x-bar where the true mean is 76 is one where the null hypothesis is false.
Now recall that a Type-II error is the probability where we FAIL to reject the null hypothesis when it is FALSE and that the Power is the probability that we DO NOT FAIL to reject the null hypothesis when it is FALSE.
Therefore, since the distribution of x-bar where the true mean is 76 is a distribution made where for any given x-bar on the distribution the null hypothesis is false (since the true mean is actually 76 not 75), then the power is the area of the region on this distribution where we would reject the null hypothesis (Again, because the null hypothesis IS false for every x-bar in this new distribution), and the Type II Error (Beta) is the area on the distribution where we would NOT reject the null hypothesis.
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Thank you so much. vey good explanation. I enjoyed it.
in order to calculate power, do you always need the "true" value of the parameter?
Please solve this : Suppose you want to test the null hypothesis H0 : miu=100 against the alternative hypothesis H1: miu >100 using, alpha = 0.05, the population in question is normally distributed with mean 96 and standard deviation 12. A random sample of size 42 is used ( i) Sketch the sampling distribution of X assuming that H0 is true. (ii) Find the probability of type II error and power of the test.
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Great video! Thanks a lot.
Can I use t distribution to calculate the Type II error?
I watched the video a few times but i still don’t understand why one case scenario it was calculating the one area lying between the values and the other calculating the area outside of the values, could you or anyone explain, please?
Thank you, very helpful :)
The probability of a type 2 error is equivalent to 1 minus the probability that null is rejected given null is false. We know null is false already, so its just the probability that you get a value below/above the rejection threshold of the false hypothesis mean, using the true mean's distribution. I.e. if you find which values are rejected using the false hypothesis, then find the likelihood of getting those values using the true mean, you'll have the probability that you reject the false hypothesis given the hypothesis is false (and you're assisted by being told the true mean, allowing you to accurately find the chance that you obtain values that make the false hypothesis disproven). The type 2 error then is just 1-power (power=1-B) because the two events are mutually exclusive and exhaustive.
My issue is ive been given a problem where I have alpha, the true mean, a mean from a sample of 72, and the false hypothesis mean along with std. dev of that false pop mean, and I have yet to figure out a way to solve this and im pretty sure the multiple choice answers ive been given are all wrong (or the wording of the question is wrong, and its totally vague).
If you were doing this for a sample size calculation, would the final sample size be 16 or 32? In other words, if you wanted to find the sample size needed for achieving 7.9% power in the example, would you enroll 16 or 32 participants?
I thought that for n
Angel Sanchez if you know the population variance you can use z.
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i just dont get: how did you get 0.0721 from the table (when 1.46)? when i look in the table -1.46 gives me 0.0721 but 1.46 gives me 0,9279 ..
+YM mose Because its a probability being greater than 1.46, you look up the value of 1.46 and then do 1 minus that answer.
I didn't understand, can you explain again please
If you're looking for the area above that area in the curve, you do 1-p. So it 1.46 gives you 0.9279, it means the probability that a value falls to the left of the curve is that, but the probability that it falls on the right is 1-0.9279, or 0.0721.
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Hlo sir, why the value that which we are calculate is (beta) in one tailed and why (1-beta) in two tailed
Very helpful, thank you
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Does this logic apply for 2 populations? Does it work for other parameters?
9:35 but does it really make sense? I mean the probability of Type II error is 0.921. It's like always, meaning there is 92% chance that when we failed to reject Null Hypothesis and we are wrong. Ain't that crazy? I thought It should be another way around. The power of test is 92% and the type II error is 0.079...
What is the intuition behind this, because this totally confuses me
Denis Grebennicov I was thinking exactly the same. A few other people have noted the same error in the comments but the instructor insists that it’s all good.
@@simbarashey Hi, I was thinking the same thing after seeing the One-Tailed video then seeing this one. Here is a rationalization that helped me figure out what is actually going on. (Your comment is 3 years old so this is more to help me remember on my exam than it is for you.)
Recall that the null hypothesis is that the true mean is equal to 75. If the true mean is in fact 76, then the null hypothesis is false, thus the distribution of x-bar where the true mean is 76 is one where the null hypothesis is false.
Now recall that a Type-II error is the probability where we FAIL to reject the null hypothesis when it is FALSE and that the Power is the probability that we DO NOT FAIL to reject the null hypothesis when it is FALSE.
Therefore, since the distribution of x-bar where the true mean is 76 is a distribution made where for any given x-bar on the distribution the null hypothesis is false (since the true mean is actually 76 not 75), then the power is the area of the region on this distribution where we would reject the null hypothesis (Again, because the null hypothesis IS false for every x-bar in this new distribution), and the Type II Error (Beta) is the area on the distribution where we would NOT reject the null hypothesis.
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Hi, tomorrow ı have exam, if someone give me answer as soon as possible, it will be so helpfull. In first situation( where we find power of test ın reject Null Hypothesis) we directly add two area and say that here is the power of test. But in reject to fail situation(when mu equals 77) we find the area and say that its our Prob. of type 2 error area, why we cant say that it is power of test in like first situation ? Thanks
Hi. If you comment ADF unit root test and Hosmer Lemeshow Test, I will understand.ADF test H0:there is unit root H1:no , hosmer lemeshow test h0:model is suitable for data h1:not. Both of them is not powerful test?Or only hosmer lemeshow is not powerful? Because hypothesis of the test are opposite. Desired situation is H1 in ADF test but desired situation is H0 in Hosmer Lemow test.Thanks
I am pretty sure power of a test = 1- beta
And beta = probability of type 2 error
thank you very much for this video
You are very welcome!
how did you work out the 71.08 and 78.92 values?
+Christopher Pope I work through this in detail at the start of the video, ending at 4:16 or so.
for alpha/2 = .05/2 = .025 on each side of curve z critical (from Z table) is -1.96 on the left and 1.96 on the right tail. (xbar -75)/(8/sqrt(16)) = -1.96 results in xbar = 71.08 and (xbar-75)/(8/sqrt(16)) results in xbar = 78.92 Just remember 75 is the very initial population mean that was subject to test in Ho = 75
@@jbstatistics you dont show how you got it though.
@@jbstatistics please answer how you got 71.08 and 78.92
I figured it out. Xbar L = 75 - Z x (standard deviation / square root of n) and the X bar U is just the +
Thank you!
But I'm confused at 8:47 sec. When I calculate 71.08-76 / (8 V16) it gives -0.154. And same for the other side: 78.91-76 / (8 V16) = 0.09 and not 1.46.. How did you come to these results?
We're dividing by 8/sqrt(16) = 8/4=2. (71.08-76)/2 = -2.46. Cheers.
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I got an 85 on the final. Thanks for the help
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You are great !! very understandable
Thanks!
Hi again,
I am just lost again lol, so I have a question asking to find the power of the test but did not give any information about the true value of mu ! Only give me the population mean e.g (2.5) and the average mean of a sample e.g (2.113) and also gave me the sd and the alpha just the same as the one you using in this example. Is it still possible to find the power of the test ?
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Mu represents the population mean. If you are told that the population mean is 2.5, that is the same as saying the true mean of the population is 2.5.
+jbstatistics I see, thank you
Thank you for this video
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Why did you use z if the sample size is less than 30?
According to my statistics class your label of Power and Beta(Type II error) at 9:41 are backwards. The areas are beta and power= 1-Beta in my class. Did you just get the names backwards or is my professor crazy?
Absolutely right, i guess @jbstatistics made a blunder. It would be great if he can correct us on this.
I'm not sure why you think I made an error here, but I didn't confuse
power and the probability of a Type II error. . Power is the probability
of rejecting a null hypothesis that is in fact false. At 9:41, what I
label as power is in fact that the probability of rejecting the null
hypothesis, which is false in the given scenario. A Type II error is
not rejecting a null hypothesis that is in fact false, and what I label
as P(Type II error) is the probability of a Type II error in the given
scenario.
@jbstatistics: I am really sorry for the comment. i am still learning and was a bit confused. Thanks a lot for your comment, and i will definitely go through it again. Also, i am pretty sure that you are 100% right and to be frank i refer to your videos whenever i encounter any doubt. I would really appreciate if you can share your fb or gmail id so that i can ask you some of my doubts. Please keep up the good work and you are the best teacher.
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There is an error in this video, when he refered to power it should be probability of type II error. The green area is beta and not power.
No, there is not an error of that type in this video. The green area given in the video represents the probability of rejecting the null hypothesis in a situation where it is false. That is power, not the probability of a Type II error.
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So I got a question to make a conclusion and I listed everything and at the end I did not reject H0 , and a sub question asks to calculate the power of the test !! I am confuse, how to calculate that even if my H0 is true and I did not reject it ?
Thank you
There is a fundamental difference between: 1) The null hypothesis being true, and 2) You not rejecting it. The first is in reference to the underlying reality, which is typically unknown. The second relates to your conclusion based on sample data, which will be known once you collect data and carry out the analysis. It is perfectly acceptable to carry out power calculations, even if one does not reject Ho. In fact, those power calculations help to determine how likely it was to reject Ho in certain situations, giving some insight into what your conclusion from the test tells you.
OH ! thank you so much, I got it now ^^
why did you use the area for -1.46 instead of +1.46 at 9:20? If you say that the true mean is also 75, you should have power of 1 and I think in your example you would get power of 0.05 and 95% chance of a Type 2 error. Just looking for clarification.
Thank you
There we need the area to the right of 1.46 under the standard normal curve. The standard normal curve is symmetric about 0, so this area is the same as the area to the left of -1.46. So you can find the area to the right of 1.46, or the area to the left of -1.46, as the areas are equal.
Excellent
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Great video to bad my bad stats teacher gave me a problem of the real M being +7 of the orignial throwing my Z < -5.46
Hello, I think in the beginning of the video (0:49), alpha is not the probability of making a type 1 error. It should be the maximum risk you want to tolerate when the result is caused by random. Since you know alpha before collecting data, it should not be a probability. (It is a significance level)
I'm not sure where you're coming up with this. Yes, we call it a significance level. It's a probability. What does your notion of "maximum risk" mean, if it's not a probability?
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How did you get 1.96 again?
Could you please describe a real life situation when you know the standard deviation of the population but don't know the mean, as you show in the first part of the video? Without understanding this, I can't understand your further illustration. Thank you,
I agree that this would be a very rare situation, and I discuss this notion repeatedly in other videos (e.g. Hypothesis tests on one mean: t test or z test?) But we may very well use this method as an approximation if we have a reasonable estimate of the standard deviation from previous studies or other information. (It's impossible to do a power calculation without having some notion of the value of the variance.)
So, its impossible to calculate the power of a test without knowing the true population mean?
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hey so i'm a bit confused how did you get 71.08 and 78.92???
By solving for X bar in the given inequalities. e.g. (X bar -75)/(8/sqrt(16))
thanks
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This is a straaaaaaange video to click on if you're not interested in learning about calculating power and the probability of a Type II error :)
5:23
4:35
How do you do this when you don't know the true population mean?
We can check out the power for various values of mu. We can calculate an entire power curve, and see what power various deviations from the hypothesized value have.
A researcher might do some calculations, and determine what sort of sample size is required in order to have a power of 0.8, for a given true mean. In two-group problems, researchers might have a suspected effect size (effect of a treatment vs a placebo, say), and see what sample size is required in order for their experiment to have a certain power. The calculations for those are a little bit more complicated than this one, as the population standard deviation is not generally known and we must take that into account, but the overall idea is similar.
So it's definitely true that we don't actually know mu and so we can't actually calculate the power for a known value of mu, and if that true mean was actually known then we wouldn't be carrying out the test in the first place. But we can pretend we know mu, calculate the power in various scenarios, and in so doing give us some insight into the worthiness of our study and/or help us determine what sample size is needed to achieve our goals.
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