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One of the biggest problems people find when burying heating pipes is that they usually crack the plasterer.
the thing is, expansion from heat is a phenomenal force so rather that trying to force against nature, it's better to work with it.
there are things that plumbers can put around the pipes to give them space to expand but most of the time the plasterer will have to come up with a solution as the culture in the building trade seems to be... Leave it to the next guy.
so if your the next guy, here's a couple of solutions for you that actually work in the real world.
I hope you enjoy this video and thanks for watching 😃👍
The pipe work run in these days is normal , unless client wants to pay more , believe me many plumbers videos you can watch they only upload good ones , there’s the true sight which you wouldn’t see 😂
normal for sloppy work but in no way correct
thats not normal thats just plain and simple rough workmanship.
That's one of the worst installations I have ever seen, those pipes were not installed by a real tradesman, cowboy yes, tradesman no.
It's all the plastic push fit pipe and fittings and lack of proper apprenticeships, piss poor lead roof work by roofers and lack of pride in work. We were once the envy of the world for our tradesmen, now it's like the wild west.
Then you would recommend the plumber if he does that prep first
I'm a 55 year old,...... old school gas engineer and belive me I would never leave that rough job to the plasterer. Well rescued . If a customer insists on buried pipework it's definitely being run in 15mm copper and I am definitely chasing the pipes in. And cleaning all my shit up.
Yes ther not plumbers now its press fit guns and push fit pipes in walls need to be in felt lagging to allow for expansion and corrosion
Yeah im counting those speedfit fittings all getting buried!
you're obviously a good tradesmen, brilliant.
V@@esuohdica and waiting for the leaks to come through.
Agreed. That pipework is shameful.
I'm no plumber, but I'd take a guess that neither is the geezer that did that pipe work.
My thoughts exactly
😂😂😂
It probably wasn't the plumbers job to chase the wall out it was probably a builders labourer
Yeah not within any zone at all....gonna be fun when next person buys the house and goes to fix something to the wall. 😂
I am and I agree with you totally a real cowboy both job
Your apprentice is lucky to have such a good teacher
Your Dad's dead right about leaving it smart for the next guy ..... i went to price up a job after work one day - Big posh property - Electric Gates - Security everywhere - Got let in, knocked the door in my old Plastery Clothes, Long Unkempt Hair, looking like a bit of a Homeless Hobo .... The lady who answered the door was visibly SHOCKED! ... She said; "Well now You're here, you'd better come in I suppose" ... The vibes couldn't have been more negative .... Anyway, i got the job because they were desperate! to get it ready for the painter ... I finished it (A Bathroom) got paid and thought I was lucky to get out with that!! ..... Next week, She phones me out of the blue, full of praise because her Painter had told her it was the best plaster finish he'd ever painted over ...... She kept me there, going back every few weeks to do more & more work for Her ... Whether it needed doing or NOT! 😂😂 ... So YES!! - The Moral of the story?? ... Keep it tidy, keep it clean, keep it GOOD! 👍🤠
Nobody asked pal
@@Cruioooi78I asked, no one asked for your negative input. 😮 nice one Peter! ❤
@@CEO786 i dont think so pal , move on its Sunday
@@Cruioooi78who are ya
@@unknownt7648I’ll tell you who he is….a right plonker with nothing good to say.
It takes a good tradesman to sort out a bad tradesman’s work, brilliant work there sorting that dodgy plumbers work out, I’m a plumber with 35 years experience and I’ve never left pipe work in that state before👍🏻
That plumber should be ashamed leaving it looking like that, but he won't, that's why he left it like that. Well rescued. Lots of great tips, very educational.
The person who done that is no plumber
Push fit it the wall ,, shocking
When you know a guy that can do it cheaper.
This video should have been posted on the first of April.
Calling this job done by a plumber is an April fools joke.
Top quality work and advice by Kirk
absolutely shocking....
Decorator here. I'd be over the moon walking into that. Nice job
'If you're a plumber you might consider putting your pipes into some sort of conduit'
Love your optimism Kirk, dont ever lose it 😂😂
If only CZcams was full of decent videos like this. Not the circus that seems to becoming, sponsored and influenced. Keep up the good work and content.
Hello Kirk
I'm a time served Plumber with 51yrs experience and my Dad was a Plasterer. If I left pipework like that my life wouldn't be worth living. Just pure laziness and couldn't care less attitude.
It is probably functional but just crap work.
Plastic has such a high coefficient of expansion! What was he thinking!! Also you can't find it with the stud finder if you wanted to screw into the wall.
Anyways you managed to save the job, looked like the customer was thankful😂
Aluminium foil over the pipe?
Very impressive, good to see a skilled tradesman who takes pride in his work. Shout out to your Dad Kirk 👌
Thanks for sharing that mate, im a plumber and tiler but ive never understood plasterers. For my money one of the hardest jobs in the trade so lots of respect. Very diplomatic too, id never have left those pipes like that but your solution was brilliant. Also good to see another Northern lad on the tube, no offence to lads from darn sarf but i often think everone imagines all builders are bald cockneys lol. Cheers brother.
36:25 Always think about the others coming in after you ! i was taught that from an old Joiner when i was 17 i said that will do and he went off it with me !! lesson learned from a young age and he was 100% spot on! keep up the good work 👍
Maybe worth waiting till the person paints those patches and then show them in the video at the end. That way we can see how much of a neat job you have done. Excellent work, looks like tough graft but very rewarding.
I was a plumber gas engineer for 55 years and like you very conscientious in my work and a very clean and tidy worker. My pay back was to have work 365 days a year for 55 years if I wanted or needed it. I make you 100% right in your work ethics. Only difference to me and some other plumber/ gas engineers I used to walk away with the job completed holes toothed out bricked blocked and plastered.
A carpenter electrician and timer etc.
Just done a big kitchen at age 71 and the kitchen supplier wants to feature my kitchen. I fit as a fiddle and can run spits of mist young guys. 😂
Keep the good work up mate👍
I love comments like this 🙏👌
We re built our 1869 Victorian Timber frame House.
They were also Bodgers.
The plane marks, chisel cuts & saw marks were all over the place.
The plaster was 2 to 3 inches thick. Full of hair & all sorts of grit. The nails looked like they were from someone's teeth.
A blacksmith made all the fittings. You could still see hammer marks from flat & pein headed blows.
In short it was glorious.
Wonder what archaeologists will make of our kraft using modern process, engineered components & time savers in general.
Will the houses last?
The only real fault was none or little foundations porous bricks, lime mortar with too much moisture & no damp course. Floor bearers layer on rammed earth.
Woodworm in untreated timber. No vapour check under the hand made roof tiles.
Vermin & insects, birds & a clay sub base saw to the rest.
The house is the last of two left on our Hill.
Both joined by a thick old wall of bricks, laid with shovels probably.
The top finish & materials used were probably sourced locally.
ie. In the county of Greater London / Essex.
That's exactly where all our second hand materials came from.
Making good from the best of old buildings around the same age.
With new electrics, plumbing & services.
Thank you. On The Trowel.
Good engagement.
Terry.
I know the money wouldn't be the same, but you'd make a very good plastering college teacher, Kirk.
You can see you have a passion for it, I went to college for a different trade and I had an old teacher there Mr. Morris who was brilliant with us. He cared so much we didn't fall behind on our course that he even came in when he was really sick bless him!
There are many useful tips here about the correct choice of materials - thank you for your detailed explanations as you went along.
I was shocked by the clumsy and lazy way the plumber had installed the flexible piping below the radiator - I'd never allow that in MY house!
Great workmanship and the fact your being political against the shit work you been left with is a great way to be. Instead of complaining and moaning your giving advice and finding solutions. Love it
I'm just a DIY'er and even I'd be embarrassed by that so called plumbing.
Also, love the channel. Watched a few videos and it's helped me with my plastering of my son's bedroom.
Great video I always run 15 mm copper or other heating pipes in 20 mm pvc conduit you can then plaster straight over, never cracks after. You can also fit the conduit after the pioes are installed by cutting a line on one side and pressing over the pipes.
That was a Friday afternoon job!!! Plumber could smell the Weatherspoons beer mats 😅😅
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Nice work and some great tips. I think a lot of DIY plasterers get put off by starting out with a patch job, not realizing that it's one of the most difficult jobs to do and get a good result. Whole walls are much easier, but I'd recommend anyone's first attempt to be a small ceiling like a WC. Ceilings are easy, because the plaster doesn't fall off the trowel when you work into the edges. That's all kind of counter intuitive.
Definitely counterintuitive mate. I wouldn’t recommend a ceiling for a learning experience. A pantry wall or airing cupboard back wall would be my shout. Even if you don’t need to do it. Very easy to replaster if you mess up.
Hi Thanks for a very good and straightforward video ,your work is first class and magic .From an old decorator ,who does small plastering projects and would like to be as skilled as you .Regards Chris 👍😁
Shocking pipework but fantastic plastering and that tune at the end 🎶❤️
wow that pipework was shocking
Proper
That plumbing is utter shit, how has the customer accepted that?
I'm no plumber, I have got to agree what a sh*t job that Cowboy has done with that pipe work
Little things wrong make a big difference
Those push fit fittings shouldn't be in a wall to start with, then wrap the pipes in hessian lagging, I'm a plumber by the way, shit job from the plumber, not to mention the boiler flue
Terrible plumbing no fittings allowed inside the wall its that basic
@@tonykyle5229exactly never bury a pushfit
What a Cracking good job. It was a privilege to watch such excellent work. Well Done. It's nice to see someone who thinks about their work and how they can achieve better quality.
Ive 35 years of plastering Kirk ,fill in ,bed scrim in it used to be (hesian or cotton ) lol ,ive never had any come backs 👍
So would you bond the pipes in, scrim and then plaster over? (I’m doing this soon)… I would appreciate your opinion. Thanks
Copper pipes need to be taped or lagged 1st @@toplad81
If only plasterers in my area were like you. Very tidy work mate.
Shocking work
Jesus that plumber who did the chase at the start is a cowboy. Using push fit is only ok when you can get to them when they leak, burying them in a wall you’re stuffed. Plastering over copper is also terrible as well as there is a risk that the plaster could attack the copper or solder. You’re spot on with the conduit, allowing for expansion is exactly right.
What I recommend is calling a decent plumber getting him to do his job properly then come in and skim up 👌
That pipework looks shocking stuck out the wall. Nice job Kirk. 👍Regards, Dave
If going to have pipework stick out the wall at least put it in an electrical box with blanking plate and drill holes out for pipes shocking pipework that
make it look so easy dude total respect
I’m so impressed with this guy!
Great job as always. A real grafter. Keep up the excellent work 👏
Good stuff. "Take your time and get it neat". If only more contractors took a little more pride in their work like this.
You skills are tremendous and your a brilliant plasterer without doubt.
The plumber should be ashamed of themselves. Horrendous work by them.
You'll fix it big man. Don't doubt it!!!!
Exactly what i do the only mostly mesh in the first coat instead of scrim ,before i apply expanding foam i spray water to help it adhere and spray water over foam straight away after application it stops it expanding and sets it quickly, thank you for videos very informative even for a spread like me 25 years experience 👍
Good video Kirk. I would be delighted if most of the pipe chases i had to patch up were that neat. What drives me nuts is when you leave a wall/ceiling all nicely polished, then sparky comes in and cuts wee holes all over the place to fish and run cables. "Its alright, it's just a wee patch, it'll take you 5 mins"......
Beautifully described. Your apprentice will learn the right way to do things
You made that look so easy. Massive respect, skill mixed with experience. Great video thanks.
Great videos mate I’ve never plastered a wall in my life but I’ve just spent the last 2 and a half hours learning and having a laugh with you! Cheers look after yourself 👍🫡
🙂🙏 thanks for the support and thanks for commenting mate
The days when one trade left everything neat n tidy for the next are long gone.
Sadly we live in a fast paced what it done now society,allowing those void of interity earn a wage with minimal effort.
Nice to see someone with pride in their work.
I done a bit o diy plastering recently and found myself saying in my mind "take a little bit,go in neat" lol
The tip with cutting the foam back is class 👍 what a difference to a saw
I always use an old hacksaw blade, works a treat.
The expanding foam looks the fastest way of making it good, and will insulate the pipes as well, however it will easy damage if bashed! Another way would be to pin the pipes back as much as possible, then wedged wire mesh over them, also pushing the mesh behind the plasterboard top and bottom, then give it a thin coat of bonding with accelerator to send it off quick, then fill out with bonding to the boards, and use fiber tape over the joints before skimming.
Brilliant information and great to see how you fix the bits we never see..
So many great tips, but that tip of marking the around the already cut plasterboard and then cutting the hole is great. Could've used that many times in the past.
At least you work with other trades plumbers electricians not against them. So nice to see x
Hi mate. Don’t know if you’ll see this but I’ve done 2 artex ceilings over the Easter weekend having never plastered before. Your videos have been brilliant to give me the confidence (which is most important) to tackle it.
I need a bit of caulking around the edges but other than that I’m well happy with the results and no plasterer would do the job anyway as it was too little work.
Shoddy plumbing job there
Another ace job Kirk! Its always a complete pleasure watching a master at work! Thank you!
I’m a heating engineer. Two things I thought when watching this video.
1. That pipework wasn’t done by an installer. It was done by a butcher. I don’t know anyone that would install pipework like that.
2. Although they get a lot of stick, normally because they have serious cocaine habits, listen to techno and have moved back with their mum after a failed marriage. I’ve always thought plasters and brickies are some off the most skilled tradesmen there are. Because you can’t hide anything. It’s all on show. This job is a perfect example. The pipework is a total lash up. But now it’s hidden and nobody knows. If a plasterer lashed up like that plumber did you’d see it every time you walked in the room.
I occasionally sniff vicks vapour rub, I listen to Dion and the Belmonts and I've moved into my workshop if that counts 😅🤣🤣
Top job m8 … I was a Artexer and if you come to a pattern is on thick scrape it off and apply SBR leave for 24 hrs and you can apply your plaster and your never ever a problem if you use pva you still have to wait 24hrs for applying your plaster, if you do this artex won’t remove from the ceiling or walls this is only if you have to scrape back Artex ❤ love your channel 🙏🏽
wedging against the valve .. brilliant idea
I thought so aswell. I did the trick perfectly
Great help and advice thanks 👍
You're a smart man that thinks about his work at his expense? Do the best job at all costs
Another cracking job.well done kirk
You are a very good plaster mate, credit where due.
being plastering 10 plus years and I'm still learning new skills , kirk i take my hat off to you your a credit to all plasterers I've learnt new skills watching your videos thank you 👍👍👍
Great work. Good plasterers are true craftsmen.
These yt videos are so important to show us, good people are in the labour trades. Uploader can't go do a poor job now either with this reference video.😅
That pipework under the rad is laughable 😂
Yep. Lazy plumber. They’ll have known fine well they were leaving it flush with the wall and causing problems for the plasterer
Kirk might be an idea for the kids tshirt "lil plasterer in the mix" 😊 Great work!
You are a true professional, amazing!
Lovely work mate
Thank you so much for this video. I have plasterer arriving in a few days after the electrician have done their thing. I was worried they would see the pipes and say I would have to get the plumbers back out to redo.
Great.
I love seeing attention to detail on a job…
Superb skills thanks for sharing
What a lash up from the plumber rad should of come off and left with tails to the rad valves!! Pony work from the plumber and I’m a bricklayer!!
Fantastic as always Kirk
Regarding cutting plasterboard. If you keep the piece you cut out you can put it back and just fill the gaps around. No need to plaster.
How turning up to that plumbing work did not make u angry i dont know, but then i made it looks so easy when fixing it, legend
Iv never seen neater work it's incredible
we do plastering much different here in New Zealand but if i could offer some advice. the new board the plumber installed on the ceiling is a little too far sunken in for me. what i do to save time is remove the board and pack behind it some thin hardboard. takes 5 minutes but saves so much time having to correct the sunken part with loads of plaster.
Great video… it’s a true form of skill and craftsmanship on the work you do.. top geeza..
Brilliant work mate . I only wish I could get the mix right when plastering.
that 'plumber' has had an absolute shocker mate
Nice job . I know loads of plasterers that can't patch . Its completely different to skimming walls . Decorator will have no bother with them patches .
I always use expanding foam for these, then easifill 20 and promix to finish
What ill say about the whole situation with piping and plastering etc....
The architects etc are ones thatbare to blame for this and the ones that need to take these videos into consideration.
If i was an architect i would definitely listen to the trades....they actually know the issues and know how to rectify them
💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥 on point man 10/10. normally I’ve got a blender in with eazyfil shocking.
Pure craftsmanship
brilliant work pleasure to watch
Great video Kirk, very helpful- thanks!
Yes my plumber was this bad too. Just wanted him out of the house once I saw the job. This was a whole house replumb I didn't know any better. He's shoved in some sort of stuff in a couple of places which is hard and has a few cracks already. Not much hope of a good finish once it gets plastered over 🙈
Amazing video Kirk. Just learnt even more. Thanks.❤
Man that tee under the radiator is killing me 😂😂😂😂😂
I literally thought of using spray foam a few months ago and did my channels with that. I also added stainless mesh over the barrier pipe so the plaster has added strength from the mesh. It also means the pipes should show up on detectors so no one sticks a nail through them. Gutted I wasn't the first to think of the foam though 😢
Top class mate nice clean work it's Really hard to patch up and it be dead on
Kirk hows it going mate your work is absolutely top class im living in ireland ive 2 years of plastering under me on a serious note could i work for you i would come over and take over id love to learn from you please get back to me god bless ya mate👌
When I saw the thumbnail I knew the comments section was going to be gold!
Many many years ago, a well meaning person told me to wrap the pipes in scrunched up tin foil to prevent cracking. It went on a treat,- holds itself in place great. Ten years later all my pipes are starting to pinhole. Electrolytic corrosion caused by aluminium in contact with copper. So, don't be tempted to do that.
I just did a patch job on ceiling around some drop down pipes where the plumber broke a chunk of plaster off.
I wrapped them with some rubber from a bike tyre, patched right up to rubber and ended up with decent circular gap around each pipe after removing rubber.
The manufacturer states that speed fit pipe and fittings must be in a conduit with access boxes for fittings if fitted into masonry, to allow for expansion exactly as you said. The installer ( He can't have been a plumber) should be informed so he knows in future. I hope he carries liability insurance.
Exactly what I do.. made me laugh, literally everything you do step by step is exactly the same as me. Good man Kirk, nice job - proper job 💪👏👏👏👌😎
Thanks 👍
Love that Kirk. Not being critical in anyway as I learn soo much from your tutorials. I use a flush saw for foam it’s a small hand held saw with the teeth on one side of the blade. About a tenner. Cheap as you like. But love your neatness with trowel cut so it’s swings and roundabouts. I also use the mesh from monocouching as it’s easy to cut any size you want for patching. I personally just find it easier as scrim seems to hate me. I’m a chippy but been plastering for about 15 years and love it. Your videos inspire me.
Cool story bro
Cheers mate, I'll look into the saw