The Movies FAILED Ron Weasley | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to reveal how the Harry Potter movies completely and utterly failed Ron Weasley.
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What are some or your favorite Ron moments from the books that didn't make it in to the movies?!
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Winning the Niffler challenge and getting the chocolate.
Ron defending Harry in the shreiking shack even with his hurt leg is a big one for me. Of course the movie gave it to Hermione. Sigh.
Ron defending Hermione in Prisoner when Snape substituted getting detention. The movie changed it to Ron actually agreeing with Hermione being insulted.
"Can I have a look at Uranus too, Lavender?" some major foreshadowing here imo given this scene occurs in GOF.
Ginny is made to be dull, Ron is made to be pretty useless, Charlie is excised. What did the scriptwriters have against the Weasleys?
Considering that some of the staff in the later films were open Harry/Hermione shippers, the answer is more obvious and annoying than you think.
Idk, and Bill's character only got a bit of limelight at the end just because his actor was Brendan Gleeson's son.
This is more JK's writing than the script.
Molly is just plain overbearing, annoying, nagging and a stops Arthur doing his own thing... Sounds like red flags to me. Not to mention she still holds to some pure blood idealogies regarding certain muggle aspects.
Clearly the scriptwriters were being paid off by the Malfoys
@@survivordave I wonder how many peacocks it cost them
Rupert Grint did what he could with a script that absolutely destroyed his character, and I have a lot of respect for him for THAT impossible rescue operation. His facial expressions are iconic. But yes, a video like this was very much needed. The movies murdered him, so much of the character bashing I see in the fandom is the movies' fault.
I appreciate your proper punctuation and spelling of the plural possessive form of the word "movie" 🙏😂
Ron is one of my favorites!!! In the books…. It’s so sad seeing people absolutely worship Hermione and then hate Ron
Right, Rupert Grint deserves serious props much like Bonnie Wright does; both of them made the most of their bad script writing. Just sucks that there wasn't much for either of them to actually work with.
I feel like he was the best actor of the three by a long shot. At least at the beginning
It's a lot like that other series that Cedric sparkled in, good talent selling the sub-par screenplay.
The dichotomy of Ron and Hermione in the books was that Hermione, being a Muggle-born witch, was all book-smarts, no culture. Ron, having been raised in a magic family, was all culture, no book-smarts. They were meant to fill in both perspectives.
And Harry Potter was raised 'No Books-Smarts, No Culture "
LOL 😂😂😂😂
I mean he literally lived inside a closet
@@marionsappl244 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@marionsappl244 Well, cupboard under the stairs, but I get what you're saying.
@@marionsappl244 this comment thread is gold but your response is just *chef's kiss*
It's like they thought "Hermoine is smart" meant "Hermoine is omniscient". Apparently, they didn't understand that you can't learn everything just by reading history books.
Funny thing is that _Hermione_ knows that in the first movie; "Me? Books and cleverness... there are more important things." and yet the _writers_ forget.
One thing you forgot about Ron in the Chamber: In the books, he is the one remembering Tom Riddles name and thus making Harry figures things out. But in the movie, this is only a deleted scene
I loved that reveal that he knew it from having to clean the trophy but kept burping slugs on it.
Shame it was cut, as it's a funny twist of fate that Harry & Ron receive the special services to the school award that Riddle also did for finding the heir of Slytherin.
Those are the deleted scenes that should've been kept in the movies, though the first two movies were the most faithfull to the books.
Let's not forget about the horrible line Ron has in Deathly Hallows where he says to Harry "Your parents are dead, you have no family" Book Ron would NEVER.
He had a pretty similar, insensitive, self-centered sentiment where he basically said "Yeah and mine could be dead soon too" This is war where many lives have and will be lost. You could argue it's because he was wearing the locket but actually Ron had many moments in the series of turning on, lashing out at both of them. He was the problem at least in sub plots in many of the books. He especially treated Hermione poorly throughout the series.
Harry's response should have been "Everyone at Hogwarts feels like family to me" instead of attacking Ron. Family is not just biological. It's about bonds with other people, a community coming together, feeling a sense of belonging. But yeah, that is not something the Ron in the books would say, because his own experiences at Hogwarts showed him that family is who we choose to surround ourselves with. So while he had his brothers and sister with him there, the other Gryffindor students were like his family away from his parents.
Yh it was insensitive but not mocking Harry for being an orphan
@@grahamdamberger7130 “Everyone at Hogwarts feels like family to me” is incredibly cringe
@@JH-kw8zy Yeah, Book Ron definitely can be quite insensitive, in fact that's the main schtick of his character. But I doubt he would fully had crossed that line as Movie Ron did.
You forgot the most unbelievable one:
"Fear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself."--Hermione Granger, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (movie)
"Call him Voldemort, Harry. Always use the proper name for things. Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself."--Albus Dumbledore, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (book)
This one BOILS my blood. This is something an old and wise person would say, not a 12 yo CHILD who happens to like books.
Listening to Hermione say this out of the blue always felt weird, ever since the first time I watched the movies. So it was Dumbledore's line, it all makes sense now.
Yep, they didn’t just cheat Ron, they cheated frickin Dumbledore to give Hermione even more good lines.
The script writer was a frickin simp for Hermione,you know.
AMEN. There are things that have always made me ask "HOW would Hermione know this about Wizarding World culture?" Not everything is in a textbook!
Ron in the books is gold. In one of Snape’s defence classes, he defends Harry by saying: “Well, what Harry said is the most useful if we’re trying to tell them apart!” said Ron. “When we come face-to-face with one down a dark alley, we’re going to be having a shufti to see if it’s solid, aren’t we, we’re not going to be asking, ‘Excuse me, are you the imprint of a departed soul?’ ”
Divination Ron is incredible, too.
"Aaaaah," said Ron, imitating Professor Trelawney's mystical whisper, "when two neptunes appear in the sky, it is a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry..."
“Well, we were always going to fail that one,” said Ron gloomily as they ascended the marble staircase. He had just made Harry feel rather better by telling him how he told the examiner in detail about the ugly man with a wart on his nose in his crystal ball, only to look up and realize he had been describing his examiner’s reflection.
THIS. This is why Ron is our king. He's just the best when it comes to comforting people.
That's Ron talking about Dobby: “If he doesn’t stop trying to save your life he’s going to kill you.”
I love him so much
Ron Weasley makes me jealous of Harry, because I wish I had a best friend like him.
These little extracts remind me why I love him, he has so much heart and character! I always wished I could be as witty as him
Don't forget the "Uranus" scene 😂
It's an outrage that Ron's best moments from the books where either omitted from the films or given to Hermione just because she's the smart one.
Didn't you know that the cost of Girlbossing is short changing us of true Ron
@@A5H_01 of course. These days it's the girl who has to wear the pants in the relationship, eh?
@@ithink3979 Girlbossing too close to the sun 🤣
I gave up by film 3 when Hermione stole Ron’s broken leg moment. I just knew it was downhill from there.
Also because she's a girl. They're trying so hard to push strong female characters.
In the movie when Ron said "You don’t know about family, because you don't have one" made me audibly gasp in the theater because in the book, Ron would have NEVER said that because even with the horocrux on, Ron always saw Harry as family.
In fact. Harry was the one who goaded ron about his family. Harry deserved a punch in the face for that
Doesn't he say something similar in the Deathly Hallows? Hermione points out to Harry in the Goblet of Fire that Ron is a bit jealous of Harry.
In the books, their conversation goes like this:
(Ron) "It’s all right for you two, isn’t it, with your parents safely out of the way -
"My parents are dead!” Harry bellowed.
“And mine could be going the same way!” yelled Ron.
so similar sentiment, but yeah, the movie line is straightup egregious. I refuse to believe for even a second that Ron HIMSELF did not think of Harry as family.
@@klaudiagrob Yeah, because ron lived under five older brothers, all of whom had a talent in something. Ron didn't. He also felt like he was a burden to harry and didn't contribute much to their group
Yep
Strangely, giving Hermione more feats early took away from any character growth throughout the series.
In the movies she is always the calm, smart, talented wizard with a solution. In the books, while she is incredibly knowledgeable and talented, she struggles under pressure.
You see that in her interactions with the Devil Snare and the troll but also in her extreme anxiety about exams. As the stories go on though she learns how to fight through he fears/anxiety in order to do what is needed to be done.
I bring up this point all the time, movie Hermione has zero growth, she starts out perfect and just remains the same. Book Hermione has massive growth and she actually grows up and improves.
@@DaleHammersIII agreed. book 1 Hermione doesn't think up and executes the escape plan from the Lovegoods where she had Ron hide under cloak (which became non-existent) because he's supposed to be home sick, and showed Harry to the Deatheaters before apparating so Luna and her father would not be in danger...the movies in fact contribute to the mantra I see where people think that if Hermione was in Harry's shoes the series lasts 2-3 books.
I was always bummed that the movies never explained that Fleur was part Veela and thats why Ron was all head over heels for her. It was her special magic. But in the movies he just looks like a sad nerdy kid.
Yeah facts
Especially because he was the ONLY one who was 'obsessed' with her and no one else. In the books I believe others are also entranced by her, including Harry when the Beaubatons do their entrance.
Same!! Fleur being part Veela was a big part of her character...and what made Ron ask her out. She was turning on the charm for Cedric and Ron walk between them and got the full blast.
@@nz_puddlehound1617 did fleur want to ask cedric out ??
@@detectivedaffodil437 Yes but he had already asked Cho to go...So she went with a guy call Roger Davies who was Ravenclaw's Quidditch captain.
You missed a huge point in Deathly Hallows. When Ron can state that he knows Beetle the Bard it's a wonderful moment to shine for him and it illustrates the different kinds of knowledge the three have. Ron knows general wizard stuff while Hermione and Harry don't and that's why he's such an important member of their gang. In the movies, Ron cracks a half-hearted joke and Harry and Hermione look at him very annoyed. Also when the Tale of the three brothers is read by Hermione it's a case where book Ron is comic relief. In the movies he gets death stares as if he's just an annoying idiot who happens to be in the same room.
Wow! I have watched many videos about the movie/book Ron differences and this has never come up before. You make a great point. All throughout the books he is their go-to information for everything in the wizarding world whereas Hermione has the book smarts, Ron has the 'street smarts,' so to say in the books.
EXACTLY! l love the books and the movies, but when I went to see Deathly Hallows, i thought that if I heard one more, "Oh, RON, that's a wizarding TOASTER, everyone knows THAT" from Hermione, I was going to scream. In the books, Hermione doesn't even recognize "mudblood" as a slur until she's told. It's Ron who loses it, because he knows what it means.
@professorbutters what’s even worse is that they also unintentionally undermine Hermione’s character with her reaction to the slur. In the books she could not care less about it, and by the end of the series she takes the slur and practically wears it like a badge of honor. In the film she starts crying and is obviously upset whenever someone uses it, instead of being basically unaffected and seeing right through whoever’s saying it to her.
Yup. This is a good one.
As others have alluded to within the comment section and elsewhere, I think that this was an intentional attempt to make Ron feel like a '3rd wheel'. I think that they wanted to pair Harry and Hermoine together, rather than have it as a great example of a close, platonic relationship.
There is also the scene in book five where Percy writes him an obnoxious letter congratulating him on becoming a prefect and warning him that to move up in life he has to dump Harry, who the Ministry is currently smearing.
Harry thinks that of course Ron's gonna choose his brother, but Ron furiously tears up the letter and throws it into the fire.
I get why they removed the Percy stuff as it wasn't necessary to the plot, but that was one of Ron's best moments especially since Harry had been rejected earlier by Seamus. They could have still worked it in somehow.
Yup, and when Harry and Seamus started arguing, Ron immediately went like "If you want to fight Harry, you'll have to fight me first".
The “are you a witch or not!” line is one of my favorites. I was deeply disappointed it was cut from the movie!!
I agree, it even gets an awesome call back in the very last book.
And of course also commending Harry for not losing his head in a crisis.
Also Ron’s insecurities in book 7 were also increased by him being injured and basically had to be cared for the entire time, making him probably feel like a burden. Also he was genuinely hurt when Harry didn’t show any care for Ginny going into the Forbidden Forest, which literally has his greatest fear. This is the trigger for the argument which is very different from the movies. Harry using words like ‘Mummy’ rather than ‘mum’ to insult Ron and he told Ron to leave 3 times before he actually left. While in the movie Ron literally insults Harry for being an orphan and says he doesn’t view him as family. It also leads to violence, which is another extreme, not in the books.
thiiiis so much!
The thing about movies is that what is explained in the books doesn't always translate all that well to the big screen in a manner of about 2 1/2 hours. With Ron and Harry's fight on screen for example, it made sense to exaggerate the anger and frustration to delineate the impact the Locket had specifically on Ron. There was no time to explain Ginny getting in trouble at Hogwarts or the context of Ron's insecurities other than when the locket opens and shows the love triangle aspect of everything. I personally didn't love the orphan insult myself because that's very unlike Ron's character, but that's the point. Steve Kloves and David Yates wanted to make sure it was clear to the audience that Ron wasn't himself at all while wearing the locket.
@@ethanberg3343 Yeah, given the constraints of a movie, I wouldn't know how to write it better, but I still disagree with making Ron so out of character. The locket was meant to pry on your insecurities, which means he shouldn't be jumping on Harry's family unless has had a long running low level grudge against orphans. By making what Ron says believable, it also ups all the stakes cause the conflict is actually personal and between the characters instead of Harry and some mustache twirling evil Ron they swapped in, and also brings into question if their friendship is actually over rather than waiting for Ron to eat a snickers. Though of course that's all really subtle and would prove difficult to write and show correctly. (Too bad they didn't have written prompt to go from)
The only reason there wasn't violence in the books is because Hermione put a magical shield in between them that they both ran into while trying to attack each other. I'll agree with the rest, but want to make that clear.
I want to add that Ron while injured and in recovery, is underfed (because you can't multiply food and they are terrible scavengers... not their fault but hermione "know-it-all" Granger couldn've though of buying or stealing a muggle book with the invisibility cape to know how to forage better, and if it was stolen, put it back afterwards... or simply go to a public library)
One thing that really bothers me about the switching of so many of Ron's cool moments to be Hermione's cool moments in the books is something I've really only been able to put into concise wording recently; that is also weakens Hermione as a character, and that's frustrating. Like, in the books, Hermione has this habit of freezing; she's anxious and scared and when she's right in the thick of it, she can't focus on her know-how, so often, Ron is the one who tells her, firmly but kindly, to get her head back in the game, and that she can do this. The weakening to Ron's character has been discussed ad nauseum in this video and others like it, but I think it also weakens Hermione, albeit less, because characters being flawed is a good thing. It makes them more human and relatable, not just paragons of good that never falter, and Hermione panicking is an example of that. Furthermore, it really adds to Hermione and Ron's friendship and eventual romance, because no relationship of any kind should ever be one-sided; while she is definitely the smarter of the two, at least in terms of book smarts and facts, he grounds her and calms her down, and that's really nice, and really frustrating that they left it out. Ron and Hermione's relationship, even in the books, isn't my absolute favourite, but at least they feel like friends in the books who actually get along most of the time; their bickering is a part of them, and they like doing it, despite what Harry might think. In the movies, Harry and Hermione feel like besties, and Hermione only puts up with Ron because Harry owes him one or something like that, and she kind of dislikes him and thinks him an oaf
THANK YOU!!! I agree 100%. Harmione was destroyed as well. The thing is I absolootley with the movies forget Ron's there most of the time and absolutely loathe Harmonie. In the book I liked them both equally. I loved their flaws in the books. I loved how they were growing. I wish we could see how that would have developed without the movies being involved at all.
RON YOU DESERVE BETTER. Harmione and Harry you both deserve better as well.
I totally agree! I read the books the first time when I was really young and didn't care about romance or relationships. It was in rereading the books a few years ago that I was able to identify why I loved the choice of Ron and Hermione eventually becoming a couple. The build up shows there relationship being tight-knit, but fraught with unresolved tension. Instead of being in the middle of this situation, we (the readers and Harry) get to watch Hermione and Ron play off each other and grow to appreciate each other's strengths and weaknesses. And they make each other laugh!
I think the biggest thing I dislike about what the movies did to Ron is that they didn't show how big of a heart Ron has. Ron adopted Harry and Hermione into his family. One of his biggest recurring insecurities is how poor his family is; where most people would try to hide this, Ron readily admits to it and invites his friends to share his home and his family. He has no hang-ups about them staying at the Burrow even though they have to sleep 2-3 people to a room to make everyone fit for weeks or months on end. Whatever Ron has, he shares readily.
Yeah, and it simply makes sence. Theyre barely teenagers fighting in a literal war, albeit in the wizarding world, against powerful magicians trying to murder them. It makes perfectly sence for at least one of them to panic.
Mostly agree. Except a lot of the time when Hermione is annoyed with Ron, it is partly because she does like him. He's not everything that she wishes he would be, but she likes him anyway, which feels pretty true to the story as it was written.
@Zhong Ping Funny and trustworthy, I guess. Live, love, laugh Romione.
Worth noting that Hermione doesn't just get Ron's clever moments. She steals ideas and lines that were Harry's and even Dumbledore's at different points. They just decided all intelligent things, even the mild ones, had to go to the "smart" character.
They might as well just called the movies Hermione Granger
"woke " sexism here. to these people men are idiots to them and only the female lead gets all the good lines. script writing these days is FULL of this
I never understood why people said Harry and Hermione should be together. Then I watched the movies. And I was like oohhh I see it now.
If you didn't read the books then Ron and Hermione make no sense at all. Its so annoying because I always said they would end up together and Harry makes more sense with Ginny. People that have only seen the movies are always saying " Harry and Hermione make way more sense" because they don't see how much she annoyed Harry in the books.
@@mbronson2466 yes agreed plus Ron I'd so much sweeter are caring to both her and Harry in the books
In the movies also there was no signs of Harry and Hermione being together@@Misty0622
The director straight up admitted Hermione was his favorite character, and thought Ron was too popular, so he minimized Ron, maximized Hermione
Steve Kloves was not the director for harry potter
@@NickBurns-ey6od no, but he was the screenwriter
Also, Steve Kloves was a huge sucker for HarryxHermione. He always wanted them to get together. That's why he butchered Ron AND Ginny, because in his opinion they didn't fit to his perfect Harry and Hermione.
Ron was a lot more proactive in the original novels, with many of his moments of insight being given to Hermione instead. They turned him into the Comic Relief who is obsessed with eating.
obsessed with eating or just used to living with five older brothers who also went through the teenage boys will eat you out of house and home situation so has to try and grab what food he can before his brothers grab it and didn't change when all his brothers weren't surround him with limit food? One theory I saw and just using for this comment lol
Tbf, it felt like he was always eating in the books too
@R. P. They watered Ron down with shallowness in the movies. I normally don't pick on movies too much, but this was unfair and created an inaccurate and bad aura around his character. It made me feel like there was an agenda to prop up Hermione.
This is why I do not like movie hermione 🙈🙈🙈🙈 and in tangent even emma which is unreasonable but still
@@armadillolover99 yes he was.... this theory isn't ONLY for the movies. He still has older brothers in both the books and movies that would have been hungry and empty pits themselves lol
I feel so bad for Rupert and Bonnie. They did the best with what they were given
The character of Ron in the books had a very solid purpose to explain to the reader life in the magical world by explaining things to The two who were raised by muggles. Ron was the kind of best friend most people can only dram about having. He gave Christmas at home with his family to be with Harry. He risked his mother’s wrath to recuse Harry when he didn’t write to him. He was willing to die for Harry more than once, fighting a troll, going after the stone, standing up to Sirius and biggest of all for a kid facing his greatest fear SPIDERS! All by the age of 13! 13! Plus a lot more in the later years. He knew helping Harry could get him killed. He actually knew this better than Harry did. He grew up knowing Voldemort killed his uncles. He grew up seeing what a dark wizard could do, something Harry only knew about from the loss of his parents when he was too young to remember. Ron grew up seeing that stuff every day with his dad working at the ministry. I have had a broken ankle and walked on it. Just thinking about it still makes me nauseous and that was decades ago. It did permanent damage to my ankle, so I FELT it when Ron stood up to protect Harry in the books.
Love these points!
Youre right, even I as a book reader havent really grasp these points. Very important comment.
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He also turned on Harry and Hermione many times. Most of the conflict he created could have been talked through in a few sentences and some respect for his friends but he was low-key a bad friend. I honestly think if Ron were 25 or older when his brain was fully developed he wouldn't have been so ready to risk his life.
@@JH-kw8zy please use specific examples
I’ve been saying this for ages, the movies made Ron out to be like a bad friend a lot and defiantly exaggerated a lot of things
For sure!
Ya. I genuinely don't like Hermione in the movies because of the changes they made that stole Ron's own lines. I've noticed for a LONG time that most of the Ron hate started and grew BECAUSE of the movies as well which I hate as hes such a good character in the books.
I don't think "defiantly" was the word you were looking for...
@@dildojizzbaggins6969 it’s called a typo
Well in the books Ron has bad moments. Like Goblet of Fire when Ron turns on Harry and then the Deathly Hallows.
They really missed how hard it hot Harry in goblet when he and Ron wasn't talking. In the movie he gets a bit sad, but in the books he basically goes down with depressipn over night. He gets sad sure, but he also gets irritable, devolps a blockade against summoning charms and even considers leaving Hogwarts
Not only did the movies fail Ron Weasley, but the movies also failed Rupert Grint. I'm sure when Rupert auditioned for the role, he was not expecting Ron to become more and more of a joke (or pointless).
And his salary was smaller than Dan's or Emma's...
@@GetlemanNightmare is that actually true? can you link it? those directors really did rupert and ron dirty. but it shows that rupert loved played ron from the books and didnt have money in mind when he committed for this role.
For what i remember he was the one who had previously read the books, he was a fan.
@@GetlemanNightmare Maybe that's part of why they made him an idiot...so he'd be less important and be paid less lol
100% agree. Ron deserved so much better. They didn't even go over what he did for Buckbeak in Prisoner of Azkaban!
Wait, what did he do for Buckbeak? I thought Harry and Hermione were the ones who saved Buckbeak.
or for hagrid's dragon in philosopher's stone!
@@JH-kw8zy they were, as Ron was unconscious at the time, but he did his best, along with the other two, to help Hagrid try to get Buckbeak off, and was the one most certain that the appeal had hope
What did he do for Buckbeak? If I remember correctly he and Harry were both mad at Hermione for a good portion of the book and totally forgot about the death sentence until Hermione (who had to help Hagrid alone) brought it up and that's when they started talking to each other again.
@@xebax0124 after Hermione had her very bad day (quitting Divination, slapping Draco, Ron became a lot more proactive in helping with Buckbeak's appeal, since Harry couldn't help because he was training for Quidditch basically 24/7. And Hermione had like 11 courses she was taking. So yes, he stepped up
Before the movies, Ron was far and away the most popular character within the Harry Potter fandom. Nowadays, people legitimately ask if his entire presence in the story is pointless - a question you would _never_ ask if you've read the books.
Actually, I got into Harry Potter through the books first. Then the movies, and my 3 favorite characters from the beginning are: Hermione, Snape, and Harry.
Even book Ron, he is only my 6th favorite character.
4th favorite is Ginny and 5th favorite is Dobby.
@@morrigankasa570 Well I mean, there's no accounting for personal taste. I wouldn't necessarily consider Ron to be my favorite character either (though he does rank highly). But the fact remains that before the movies, he was universally beloved by fans. Not anymore.
Yep. Rowling literally said before the first movie was released that "everyone loves Ron".
@@stefan4159 and why should they like hermione?
Sure, Ron was a bit insensitive in the first book, but he’s an insecure 11 y’o that’s besties with Harry, like they’re just chillin and hanging out and being friends cuz they got no one else, but Ron is kind and funny and loyal and risks his life for Harry even tho he knew him for less than a year and is his guide in the wizarding world
Meanwhile, hermiones entire personality in the 1st book is being a stuck up, socially off and annoying know it all
this.
Here's a theory question. We're the Weasleys actually poor, or just really bad at money management? They blew the entire 700 galleons on a single trip to Egypt. Ron got his brother's hand me down wand because they supposedly couldn't afford to get him a new one. But, they actually could. The whole reason Ron got Scabbers is they decided to reward Percy for being made a prefect. They bought him a new owl, but also three new sets of school robes. If they'd left the robes off the reward, Ron could have had a proper wand. So, were they really poor, or just extremely poor at planning out their spending?
Lol I love this because it makes me wonder about my own finances 😅
They really need to sort out their priorities…
They couldn't stop breeding that's part of the issue, then there is Arthur not choosing to pursue up the career ladder... Gotta give respect for him to sticking to his passions. Molly staying at home didn't help much in that specific aspect. They were probably bad with money period as the OP mentioned they blew 700 galls (galleons) in one trip when they could have taken a Portkey to Egypt or used some other magical means (we known Molly secretly hates non magic stuff I mean come on)
@@mybittersweetme Were they poor with money management or worse, expelled?
@@missynnifer Let's hear about it
Well Steve Kloves the script writer for all HP movies said in an interview that his favourite character was Hermione. That explains why Hermione was given many of Ron's dialogues. The writer was playing favourites.
I think it wasn't really malicious intend at the beginning. His favorite character was Hermione during a time when she was really overshadowed by Ron in terms of popularity. And honestly, book Hermione isn't as easy to love as book Ron, especially in the first few books where here negative traits are much more prominent until she smooths out and we see more of Rons bad traits and flaws (and Rowling didn't do her any favor by using her as boomer-mouthpiece to bash progressive activism, which didn't age well in the slightest) and in the first two movies, the changes kinda make sense. She isn't really active during chunks of both books and movies, which is exaggerated by the movies limited runtime which cuts away most of the slice of life elements of the books, so it makes sense to give her some more scenes. Her explaining the meaning of mudblood probably also was considered to hit harder in a cinema setting. I think the issue is that from this point onwards flanderization kinda set in, where Rons role was more and more pushed towards the comic relief.
@@shizachan8421 True, it doesn't have to be out of malicious intentions. But you can directly tie all the explicitly malicious hatred thrown at Ron to many decisions made by Kloves and the other filmmakers. There's a real pipeline from the little moments changed in movie 1, to all the bashing fanfics that we see constantly spammed.
@@shizachan8421 In the very same interview, Rowling was assuming it'll be Ron because he was the fan favorite. Steve saying his favourite Hermione gave her a pleasant surprise
@@stefan4159 Thats the issue of Flanderization. It starts with exaggerating a single trait and escalates into it consuming all the character is. Remember how the Flanders started out as n idealistic american family as opposed to the Simpsons dyfunctional one and then got escalated into crazy uber-christian fanatics?
@@stefan4159 I beg to differ since you got feminists sexist ads on Sci-fi channel and USA channel using Hermonie for their international women day ad "making HERstory" campaign thanks to Steve's simping for the character.
Could you do this for all of the characters the movies got wrong like Ginny?
Ooh, that would be a great one! If you’ve only seen the movies it’s hard to understand why Harry would have chosen her.
@@jenniferpajor5365 I never picked up the books until I saw Order in the theater, and I'm so glad I did before the Half Blood and Hallows movies destroyed their relationship
YEESSSS!!!!
It feels like the movie writers just hated the Weasleys, lol... Ginny def needs a video. And I wonder if there's a counter video that can be made if any character was given more justice in the books than in the movies (aside from Hermione)
Yeah, I was a bit hurt about what the movies did to Ginny
Gotta mention in Deathly hallows when Ron is leaving, in the movies he tells harry that "Your parents are dead, You have no family" When it is constantly stated from book 1 onward how much Harry has been essentially adopted as another Weasley and how they are his family in the magical world
Literally so much of who Ron is was left in the books and/or given to Hermione. I also applaud Rupert Grint for doing all he could given a script that undermined who Ron Weasley truly was.
Rupert is the best actor out of the three if you tell me
Rupert is completely and totally Ron. He did amazing with the material. With the book to movie differences it made me see how well Rupert could act as I knew his moves were being directed.
I've always thought the books were a little unfair to Ron as well. Book one set up a great dynamic. Harry is the man of action, but doesn't really know what to take action on. Hermine is brilliant, but doesn't always know how to apply her knowledge all the time. Ron is a strategist, beating them at chess and (subtly) pointing their talents. That is never really followed up on. Imagine this exchange added to the Battle of Hogwarts. Prof McG: "Mr. Wesley, take your brothers and defend the north tower." Ron: "What, why me?" Prof McG: "Because I need a thinker there. Go check their King!" Bill: "Yea, just tell us what to do Ron." That would have been a payoff for the ages!
Though I can't think of a reason enough to split the golden trio during the last battle (especially Ron wouldn't leave Harry's side for their quest to find and destroy the horcrux).
I WOULD PAY SO MUCH TO HEAR PROF. MCGONAGALL SAY "CHECK MATE THEIR KING!"
Realistically speaking, chess doesn't translate to real world battle strategies. I can't imagine any chess grandmasters have ever become military generals. Ron keeping a cool head under pressure is great and all, but I don't think that would qualify him over adult wizards when it comes to fighting tactics.
@@Smartie234 I didn't say Check Mate on purpose. It was always Harry's fate to "Check Mate" Voldamort, but Ron could certainly flush him into a losing position with a well timed Check.
@@SgtSupaman My point was that they set up Ron as the strategist, with Chess being how they showed it. And that then never was followed up on.
@@NorinnRichard Ah, I see. Good thinking. Thank you for correcting me.
They might also have been able to keep showing Ron is a strategist with Quidditch to help Harry with his new Leadership role. He was the seeker all this time so he could just not really pay attention or remember or think about strategies with the chasers and beaters that don't include a seeker. Ron could help Harry a bit with that to extra show he is good with Quidditch, but his insecurities keep him down. And to show his best-friendship with Harry they could make it that Harry is one of the only people Ron isn't hiding all his insecurities from, so he tells him about the strategies, but doesn't dare to tell anyone else. I think this actually could have been a good plot point with their friendship and Ron strategic-mind in play.
Ron getting the dress in Goblet will forever be the funniest scene in both the books and movies. I love the addition in the movie of McGonagall seeing it. Maggie Smith nailed that scene.
If I were to define the Trio by EXTREMEMLY basic terminology, then I would say, Harry is Street Smart, Hermione is Book Smart, and Ron is People Smart (and ww street smart). But that's why he was so amazing in the books. Because he was the Best friend, the strategist, and the Guide Through The Wizarding world. Most of the WW Exposition that Hermione gives in the movies, are actually said by Ron in the books; because he's lived there his whole life
So totally agree. The films weren't great to Ron at all. And while Hermione's booksmart, Ron was wizard street smart and the soul of friendship. Like in the book, Harry admits missing Ron whenever they weren't together and he was literally just studying with Hermione in the library. Never understood why they hyped up the love triangle and the way they did it was weird and creepy.
People have this idea that the only thing Ron and Hermione have in common is that they’re friends with Harry, like they’re friendship revolves around Harry, but in the books I found it’s the other way around and what Hermione and Harry have in common with each other is that they’re both friends with Ron and the Weasleys. He really was the glue that kept the trio together.
yup. dont forget that hermione always seemed to be at the burrow before harry, was at the order headquarters before harry. ron and hermione had lots of development between the two of them, but we didn;t see it because it's told through harry's pov.
@@tanaproma3933 Yeah it was no surprise that Ron and Hermione got together in the books. They were clearly very close the vast majority of the time. They have their silly arguments in book 3 and 6, but in the end they make up(and in 7 when Ron comes back, but that was not much of an argument, he makes his point and she accepts it, is annoyed for a bit, but it’s pretty clear he wasn’t himself and felt awful about leaving so they make up pretty quickly, they also had a few weeks after the Lovegood escape to make up more before they get captured), and are there for each other and forget about arguing when things get more serious. I think their friendship and then romance plot adds to their characters honestly.
The biggest one for me was SPEW. Ron coming around to Hermione's point of view and sticking up for elves and showing her that he understands why she was right about this is a huge part of why Ron and Hermione make sense as a couple in the end.
I believe they first kiss when Ron mentions that they need to evacuate the house elves from Hogwarts and I always thought that was the perfect way to truly confirm Romione even with the 'bickering'
@@taylorxstephens Ron’s fondness for Dobby is not mentioned. He gives Dobby Christmas gifts at one point which is really sweet, even if it was regifting.
@@erincarter9995 It's why Dobby wants Harry to save his "Weezy."
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THIS. ABSOLUTELY THIS. I hated the BS they made up in the Chamber of Secrets for Ron and Hermione's kiss. It felt so forced, unnatural, and, most importantly, unearned. The movies never earned that kiss.
Imagine a world where the movies where written by an actual writer, and not an Harmione shipper.
The sad part is with the Harry Potter movies they did have the writer onset consulting during the entire filming process. JK rowing is a big fan of harmony. yes she wrote all 3 characters because she wrote the entire book but she was always very upset that Harmione was the least linked in the books and that Ron was the favorite in the books. She admitted that when she had to chose a director she went with a director whose favorite was Harmione. Sadly it shows in the movie.
Ok, what is a "shipper"?
@@taminapiwocki3423 Someone who wants a relationship between certain characters.
Example; People who want - Hermione + Harry + Relationship = Hermione/Harry Shippers.
@@dildojizzbaggins6969 harmoine was what they meant, it refers to someone who ships HArry and heRMIONE. thus combining the names. also, youtube commenters dont owe you perfect grammar. what is truly arrogant and cringe is projecting your feelings of inferiority onto someone else to make yourself feel superior. especially when you are legitimately wrong and incorrectly correcting someone.
@@DogmaticNonsense ah.. thanks!
THANK YOU. Ron is my favorite character in the whole series and it hurt so much to watch this horrible version of him. I read the books every few years so remind myself why I love him so much because after watching the movies so often, you kind of forget! The worst for me is when he’s not screaming Hermione’s name at Malfoy Manor. That scene is so heartbreaking and they reduced it to absolute nothing.
This is why I always thought they should have made this into an animated series. If they had someone who was faithful to the books it could have been absolutely amazing!
YES! I would absolutely love the books made into an animated series. You could nail the story so much better that way without being restricted by casting and young kids not growing into what the characters look like.
I agree so so much!!
WB did say that the franchise has a lot of potential so I think they definitely want to make a full animated series of Harry Potter with WB animation studios.
I've been saying this! Animation is the perfect medium for Harry Potter
I've been saying this since the 2nd movie. Rupert is a fantastic actor yet the screenwriter and editor did that to Ron's character. Not only did the limit his character arc, they gave all his lines and best characteristics to Hermione.
One thing I really like that the movies did with Ron is when he convinces Harry to stay at the Burrow in Deathly hallows part 1. "Tonight's not the night mate. You'd only be doing him a favor." Makes me emotional every time.
I love that this video exists. The movies really did do Ron SO DIRTY. I also love that you specifcially mentioned DH2 when Harry is about to go to the Forbidden Forest. I've always been so mad that Ron didn't hug Harry before he left. I was like "THAT IS YOUR BEST FRIEND!!"
Exactly! Ron helped Harry figure out where the Chamber was and that Moaning Myrtle was killed by the basilisk, tho' he earlier mentions in a tossed off comment that maybe Voldemort killed her. He was the person Harry confided in first, if I'm remembering correctly, especially in OP when he spots the "I must not tell lies" wound on Harry's hand and asks him about it and tells him to report it. Ron does have humor of his own, in opposition to the comic relief of the movies, as in his celebratory comment about dropping Divination when he says something about not worrying even if the tea leaves read "Die Ron die" (don't have the book at hand).
Another big thing is that hermiones flaw of being incapable of admitting she’s wrong, which is not shown in the movie. This is shown by how she can’t just apologise over a lost pet and didn’t even make an effort to stop crookshanks. I know it’s technically Peter but hermione didn’t know that and was acting like a pretty selfish and lousy. In the movie it’s barely mentioned and Ron just whines, making him look whiny, which isn’t the case as he’s justified in this scenario as next year will show his flaws in the Yule ball and Ron admits that all he wants is an apology and not just trying to be rude.
Plus Ron is made out to be the bad guy here… but the fact that in the book Hermione literally attacks Ron with the birds she makes for kissing lavender… and Ron literally has marks all over him from the attack despite even the facet Ron and Hermione weren’t together… yet I never see anyone bat an eye to how horrible that was? Or Ron is still made out as the bad guy even though Hermione attacks him
Yeah I was honestly really annoyed at how Hermione would excuse Crookshank's hurting Scabbers. Never liked it how pet owners excuse their pet's behavior with it being "instinct" while coddling and treating said pet like a human child.
Not to mention how Hermione, after being told several times that Scabbers couldn't be near Crookshanks, still thought it was a great idea to bring her cat up to the boy's dorm. How can we consider Hermione a bookworm and a know-it-all, when she doesn't know how to read a room...?
I agree, when Lavender's bunny died in POA Hermione was so stuck in her head that divination was fraud that she was pretty harsh towards her.
Agreed, also did she even apologise for that, I can’t remember 🤔
Book Ron > movie Ron
FACT
I sooo agree!!
Yess i love book Ron so much
Also book Harry > movie Harry
There are SO many times when reading the books where I laugh out loud out how, like, sassy Harry is.
In the movies he’s more of a blank slate to self-insert into the story and I feel he’s missing most of his personality
Also book Neville, he might have been a side character but he did had a bigger part to play at the end rather than the movie just shorting it to him talking to Voldemort and killing the snake as his big moments 🤷
8:35 "It is the movie where Ron unfriends Harry on Hogbook for a while" is a pretty accurate descriptor of their relationship during Goblet of Fire 😆
Yes! Can we have one for Ginny too? They made her such a vapid insignificant character.
I'd be down for that. Ginny is my favourite character, and while I do like movie!Ginny (come on, she literally yells shut it, runs through fire to battle Death Eaters, and her Reducto and Patronus) she is terribly watered down, especially in regards to her feisty personality and her romance with Harry.
@@stefan4159 Me too, Ginny is bae.
“Shoelace” is by far the cringiest scene in all the films.
@@dmidkif Open Up You
Istg Harry and Luna had more chemistry than Harry and Ginny and the movies
The one thing that reaaaally bothers me in DH movie is when Ron says “Your parents are dead, you have no family.” Which is just so unnecessarily cruel. In the book it’s Harry who says it, or at least something similar
Keep in mind, he was wearing the Horcrux at the time so it amplified his anger and negative thoughts
They’re talking about putting their families in danger and Ron says that Harry’s family is “out of the picture”. “My parents are DEAD” 😢
@@fashionablechangeling1988 yeah obviously, but book Ron still never says that to Harry and it’s Harry himself who says his parents are dead, regardless of the locket that made Ron extra cruel for no reason
@@ERobbo Ron wasn't really talking about Harry's parents though he was talking to Hermione
I like the Golden Trio equally. Can't imagine the story without even one of them. The bond between Harry and Ron reminded me of my own friendships, one of the biggest reasons I love reading the story again and again. I don't know why the films butchered Ron like that.
I really want them to do a tv series so they can redeem the full story. Really flesh out what happened in the books.
No. They would just destroy it.
@@gungan5822 wrong
Rupert grint did a great job playing Ron. I agree that it is the scripts that ruined the character
Ugh thank you so much for talking on this, it made me so angry how much the writers favored Hermione as this perfect witch who could do no wrong as if she didn’t have flaws of her own. If they had just gotten this dynamic right in the movies they would be so much better 😭
The first 3 movies weren't too bad, but the last 5 they screwed up a lot.
It's not just the characters, it's more about how many things they didn't have in the movies that where in the books.
Even with Deathly Hallows they could've put everything in the books into the films since there are 2 of them. They could've done that properly with 2-3 films for each book and including everything from the books. Though the worst character change beyond the Golden Trio, was removing Dobby and giving his instances to Neville.
I absolutely love the actors in the movies I mean they did a phenomenal job with what they given but WOW was this defense of Ron SO called for. He’s such an amazing character and friend and I love this showing of love for him!
Okay but that Harry and Hermione dance scene stings even more knowing that Ron and Hermione were supposed to dance together and Bill and Fleur's wedding (which is something that could have easily been included). It just infuriates me how much of Ron's character is changed in the movies to make Hermione seem better and to push this weird unnecessary love triangle.
Haha; I barely realized today was Wednesday.
My first exposure to HP was actually the second movie. So it gave me an impression that Ron was a scaredy-cat. But as I started reading the books, I have come to realize that he's way way better than how the movie portrays him. Unfortunately though, he still isn't really on my top 5 favorite characters.
The biggest change that makes me wonder why they would change this for Ron is that when Ron defends Hermione in PoA when Snape calls her a know-it-all, but in the movie he just mutters: 'he has got a point'. What the...?
You didn't even mention that in the books Ron spent days trying to get back to them after Hermione says his name.... he didn't just appear later that day like in the movie...
The kiss with Hermione - since S.P.E.W. wasn't in the Movies, it just looks like another "we barely escaped - let's make out" Hollywood Scene.
Takes away a lot from Ron in my opinion.
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Yeah. Considering it was Ron who was mostly against S.P.E.W. having him actually care about getting the elves out, not having them fight but getting them out, was a meaningful gesture to show growth.
@@Stargazer_Ley He was against S.P.E.W. because the elves were actively refusing to clean their dorm because Hermione was leaving clothing around to try to free the house elves who didn't want to be freed. Ron was trying to explain to her that not all elves were like Dobby, and most wanted to remain in service to their masters. Winky was freed, and she drank herself silly and cried all the time at Hogwarts because she was miserable. S.P.E.W. was meant to show how viewpoints of muggleborns and those who grew up in the magical community differ when it comes to magical creatures, but also the rights of how those creatures want to be treated. It was also a subplot to keep Dobby and Winky in the book. JK admitted it was silly. The movie showed growth where the book had already dropped the story. Only Dobby showed a desire to be a free elf. That scene was totally a random let's make out scene. In the books, the elves were already fighting - led by Dobby and Kreacher.
@@jenx5870 Um...Dobby was dead at that point and I don't think Kreacher had yet to fight back. Regardless that is not the point. The point was that Ron who seemed callous and dismissive of the house elves showed he did care. "Silly?" Canonizing lore saying a race likes being slaves is considered silly? That wording is gross as your attempt to justify Ron's initial reaction to S.P.E.W.
@Stargazer Ley Kreacher does fight in the battle of Hogwarts. Also, I can honestly see Ron's point when it comes to SPEW. I also don't think SPEW was wrong, just that Hermione was going about the situation in the wrong way. The elves liked their enslavement because that was their culture and trying to change it on a dime never would have worked, and honestly would have been cruel.
I want to send this to every single person I know who made fun of me for having a crush on Ron but had only seen the movies. 10 year old me couldn’t have picked a better fictional character😂
We need to make Hermione look smarter in the movies. Let’s give all of Ron’s lines to Hermione 💢
With Harry being the fish out of water in the story, Ron should have been the street smart one to oppose Hermione's book smarts
Worst part is it's not like she was dumb in the books, but she had her weaknesses like any good character. So it was an unnecessary change, even for a Hermione fan (like me)
Hermione still isn't cool enough. Let's make her kill Voldemort and Nagini, too. /s
@@KnightsRealm98 I've read the books years ago I'd forgetten about them to some degree and mainly learnt the story from watching the movies. Then I was introduced to the audio version read by Stephen Fry (nothing can beat his narration of the books period) that's when I discovered that Hermione wasn't as good of a character as the movies showed her to and I had thought she was. As a character Hermione is overbearing, annoying, self righteous regarding issues she has little to no understanding about (house elves, giants etc), condescending and to a degree hypocritical (it's one thing to learn something new and have your understanding changed. It's different for example when they talk about giants in Book 4 "Giants aren't that bad, they're misunderstood" because she only knew about a half giant even though she learnt about giants in History of magic. Then she meet Grawp and does a total 180 acting acting similar to Ron did when he told her "giants are vicious" she berates him for it when she ends up acting the same way a year later. There are other examples)
I have a very simple answer... the producers assumed kids are dumb. In many kids movies, characters have "defining traits" to help them stand out. "The smart one", "the dumb one", "the popular one", "the hero".
That applied that same mindset to Harry, Ron and Hermione.
I think this is something most people who have read the books can agree on.
Deathly Hallows- after Ron comes back, Harry starts obsessing over the Hallows. Ron steps up and starts to lead- making suggestions for places to go and areas to search. They are all long shots that don't pan out, but it was still a growth moment for Ron. I can't blame the movies for cutting that out though, the idea wouldn't translate well to film.
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In book 5, when they discover the room of requirement, Harry says the line about "if you really needed a bathroom" (referencing a Convo with Dumbledore the previous year). But in the movies, they have it to Ron & made Hermione sound so disappointed that was his first thought.
The way they completely fumbled Ron's reaction to Hermione being brutally tortured was the one that really got me. In the book, I believed his despair and desperation. In the movie he looked mildly worried and annoyed.
Neville and Ron are my two favorite characters in HP. I absolutely hated how they gave all of Ron's moments to Hermione. I think that is why some people have such a hard time understanding how Ron and Hermione end up together because they just see the shallow, comic relief Ron that the movies portray. The one scene I wish they would have put in the movies, that really showed Ron's growth, was during the Battle of Hogwarts when he said that they had to get the house elves out and that they shouldn't die for us. It was that moment that Hermione knew that Ron understood that the elves were sentient beings with their own agency and shouldn't have to do the bidding of wizards. It was what made Hermione give into her feelings and kiss him. I like the scene in the chamber of secrets where they kiss after destroying the horcurx but I like the book version of events more because it shows that Ron isn't oblivious and shallow.
This is why I have no clue why Rowling came out and said Ron and Hermione was a bad couple. In the books everything makes sense about Ron and Hermione. They compliment each other in their talents and personalities. They work perfectly. It’s the movies that destroy their relationship and make it look wrong. They took so much character development away from Ron in the movies that he didn’t make sense why Hermione liked him.
Great video! Such an unfortunate bit of missed opportunities in an otherwise-great movie series. Ron and Hermione are both such amazing characters in the novels, and it's sad to see that dynamic undermined.
FYI for those enjoying this topic, Quinn Curio covers many of the same points in greater depth in her video "Explaining what went weird with Ron Weasley".
Steve Kloves, the screen writer for the movies, told the author that Hermione was his favorite character during his interview. The author was a bit relieved to hear that, because she was tired of hearing that everyone's favorite character was Ron. So, I believe that might help explain why Ron's role was severely diminished in the movies.
Book 3: Ron encouraging Harry to ask McGonnagal for permission to go to Hogsmeade. Just a small scene that doesn't contribute much to the plot though, but it demonstrates so much of how Ron was actually like in the friendship dynamic.
In the books Harry getting told academic knowledge by Hermione and life-smarts from one who'd actually grown up in the wizarding world by Ron made sense.
In the movies Harry has to get told both by Hermione because apparently even though neither of them grew up in the wizarding world, Harry's just too dense to pick up on these life smarts.
It wasn't just a dis-service to Ron, it was a dis-service to Harry, all because the director (in his own words) just loved Hermione.
Really happy you created this video Ron was done very dirty in the movies and I’ve been saying it for years only to be told I’m a nerd who loves reading books
I’m so glad you finally did this!
Honestly, it feels like Ben and J are always shipping Harry-Hermione so they don’t mind the travesty of what the movies did to the Weasleys.
Now you definitely have to do a video on Ginny!
This is a mistake you see in a lot. It's the idea that to pump up one character you have to tear down another. It's actually the opposite. The best way show how great a character is to show how they stand amongst other great characters.
Book Hermione was my absolute favorite, highly intelligent and panicky in a crisis, a total me in other words, my best friend was a total Ron very street smart instead of book smart and very level headed in a crisis. We didn't have a Harry in our group and we didn't mind.
And as for Ron, it's probably that he didn't become a Prefect, I really wanted to see Ron ask Harry for confirmation and stand up to Hermione "It's my name on the letter." I also wanted to see Harry congratulate Ron after coming to terms that he (Harry) didn't get it....
Also the Devil's Snare bit, that was actually the very first scene I ever read, I was very sad not to see it.
"Unfriends Harry on Hogbook for a while"
Another great and hilarious script!
I mean, Ron DID still somehow learn Parsletonge without it being a natural part of his magical being like Harry or the Gants
That scene where they're dancing together. I've seen Emm's perspective on it and she's explaining how this is so much like Harry and Hermione's relationship and I'm just like what
It is so satisfying to have this video! This side by side comparison of Ron's book vs movie moments is better than any explanation I've tried to give myself to others, because book Ron is so brilliant!
Even though I'm lukewarm to the idea of Ron and Hermione as a couple, it actually does make a decent amount of sense in the books because they're genuinely friends! Even when they're bickering (which I really think they find fun) or he's confused by her ideas, you never doubt that Ron deeply cares about Hermione because he's always thrown down for her in a blink of a flash! Ron's flaw is his teenage obliviousness and his insecurity, but Hermione really does see him as wonderful and talented which seems like why she's willing to help him with homework - she knows he's smart because he pulls them out of situations all the time but he's not great at assignments. Hermione's anxiety and inability to admit she's wrong are soothed and challenged by Ron, and if he grew out of his insecurity as an adult he'd probably have made a decent first husband to Hermione's Minister of Magic (despite whatever Cursed Child says)
New dates are cool - no worries! 😊
Hermione also wasn't scared of saying Voldemort's name because she didn't grow up in fear...
I always liked the dance scene. To me it was just two friends acknowledging their shared sadness and being together, knowing that what was coming was going to be worse.
Before the films there seemed to be more Ron fans than Hermione fans because while Hermione was incredible at a lot of stuff Ron was just so loyal and Harry's internal monologue definitely preffered Ron more often than not over Hermione, then the films did that to Ron and now there are people who actually loathe his character aha
Thank you for this video! Movie Hermione comes off as too perfect because she also gets all of Ron's good traits and best moments, in addition to her own. In the books, she's much more complex--cautious and hesitant about fighting/taking risks, especially as she was younger. It was Ron who was always willing to back up Harry and follow him anywhere, even straight into danger. And while he's not the smartest, he's still a good wizard, immensely loyal, and often quick thinking in an emergency. As you pointed out, young Hermione often panicked outside the classroom, in real danger so we don't get her growth in the movie nor do we get Ron's best moments.
And funny that you mention Ron's insecurities--that and some of his shallowness in his younger years is why I think your Harry as a Slytherin alt plot needs some tweaking. Harry and Ron would have taken much longer to become friends and Harry and Neville would have become close friends first. I think the trio would either have been entirely different, with Neville instead of Ron, or there would be a foursome instead of a trio, with Ron joining in book two or three.
Ron Weasley not important?!?!?! But he's the King who can save anything! Also don't forget that even when he left in Hallows that upon his return he came back with a ton of useful information like the snatchers, the taboo, and the underground radio news network. Add in the he was the reason they knew about Bill and Fleur's house and could get there. Ron really was super important and he was the one capable of mimicking parseltongue and entering the Chamber of Secrets for basilisk fangs to destroy the cup. Yeah the movies really did him wrong.
I was so mad about the the whole there-were-no-Veela-in-the-movies because 1. It explains Fleur’s power over guys and 2. One of the funniest HP parts of seriously the whole series is when the boys become entranced by the Veela. Harry gets overly confidant and wants to do something impressive and Ron looks like he’s about to fly off or something. Every single time I read that part I’m like rolling around on the floor laughing. And I was SO UPSET that that part wasn’t in the movies
I've been screaming this for years! Now I can link people to this video lol. Personally the worst offender for me is the "he's got a point" moment. My heart broke. There's also the added problem that giving so much of Ron's characterisation and usefulness to Hermione damages her character progression too. They made him an oaf and her perfect and infallible. In the books Hermione is just as flawed as anyone else, and that's part of what makes her an interesting character. Also the positives and negatives that each member of the golden trio has are exactly why they work so well as a team, and even as a group of characters, narratively.
I always knew they did Ron dirty, but laying out all the big differences like this is really eye opening.
It's always bugged me, even when I was a kid, how much of other character's actions and dialogue they'd give to Hermione. One not mentioned in the video is, "You will be able to, won't you?" when Harry's lost all of the bones in his arms. I'm pretty sure Harry would care more about his bones, as he does in the book, than Hermione.
This video was so needed, he is my favorite character and the movies ruined him, and as a result of that they are even removing him from the merch as well, for every 3 or 4 items of Harry or Hermione, there is 1 item for Ron, and I can't stand it😡
I'll always prefer the books but also always envision the movie cast while reading/listening. Jim Dale does an amazing job reading the books and you really believe you are listening to the actual characters from the movie.
You should do a video about how the movies made Snape look a lot better than the books, like how in GoF Snape insulted Hermione's teeth that had been cursed.
Oh yes we need this, especially for the movie-only fans.
Harry Potter was introduced to me pretty weirdly. My first introduction is me playing Harry Potter with my friends from the neighborhood. I hadn't watched the movies (the third one just dropped) and wasn't into reading yet. So I had no idea who this "Ron" guy was, but my friends wanted me to play him. I asked how and they said "just be scared of everything", "okay, I can do that".
I was taught that Ron was the comic relief by being the biggest scaredy cat of the movies.
Ron. The. Most. Scared. Person.
And I hadn't even seen the movies, but that my friends took that character trait as the primary one for Ron just shows how much they did Ron dirty.
The script writer (Steve Kloves) knew Rowling had based Hermione on herself, and that she didn't like that the readers of the first book almost all said they liked Ron the most. She even wrote Ron's character different in the later books because of that. So because he wanted to get into her favour, he told her his favorite character was... tada... Hermione, and basically took all of Ron's achievements in the books to make Hermione litterally into *an insufferable know-it-all* and even took lines from a lot of other characters, like Dumbledore and Harry and so on, to give to Hermione.
I saw a conversation between him and Rowling, and you can tell how much Rowling is flattered by what he says about this, playing girlishly flirty with her hair.
One big thing that comes to mind with ron is how his divination class was during the years he took it. The books indicate very subtly that ron has an aptitude for divination and not just because trelawney likes his dark predictions, but because his prediction come true. Outside of the 3rd movie you never see the kids in divination again, the trelawney does reappear in the 5th movie because of her significant importance (which the movie actually cuts out)
This is so great! I've seen so many comments over the years about this and finally someone addresses it in a video! Thank you!
DH4: The Seven Potters. Tonks acknowledged how brilliant Ron was at the ambush went they got back safely at The Burrow.
You forgot that part.😊
And all of this not only devalues Ron but also Romione! Really evident how most of Harmione shippers only watched the movies and vice versa
Well, to be fair, the books have a lot of support for Harry-Hermione. It really could have gone either way--in the first three books you sort of see how JK left herself room to go any which way. I think it's book 4 when she definitively makes the choice for Ron. Maybe book 3. I think the only reason why Harmony didn't happen is because Harry wasn't interested when Hermione was interested (when they were younger) and by the time he was ready to consider it, it was clear that Ron had some feelings. And there was just no way Harry was going after the same girl as Ron; Ron and Hermione were family and Harry was never going to risk losing the trio and their frienship. That's always how the books read to me. That Harry held those two friendships in such high esteem that he could never consider it, he wouldn't let himself take the chance.
OTH, the movies do make it super hard to get behind Ron and Hermione. They make the average viewer wonder what she sees in him and try to imagine better pairings for her--which is probably why so many ship her and Draco. (Even though book Draco is a git that absolutely doesn't deserve her.) Book Ron and Hermione are a much better, evenly match pairing. While Ron can still be a bit of an idiot and mess up, the two bring out the best in each other and complement each other's weaknesses.
@@dragonsailorzero179 "Hermione- Theres nothing between us, she's like a sister to me."
Harry never loved Hermione in that way, just pointing it out
@@dragonsailorzero179 No, it couldn't have gone either way. In regards to the characters themselves, their personalities and compatibilities, it was always Ginny meant for Harry, and Ron meant for Hermione.
That said... in recent months I’ve come to the conclusion that while Harry and Hermione are incompatible in “their universe”, and that Hermione definitely isn’t Harry’s type, the text/narrative does push us as readers to grapple with the question of a potential romance between Harry/Hermione, particularly with respect to Ron’s place in the Trio. It’s a romantic red herring to be sure, but the herring wasn’t completely made up by H/Hr shippers. You have scenes such as Harry noticing Hermione at the Yule Ball, Harry feeling proud that Krum is talking to him as a “real rival” while talking about romance with Hermione, Harry feeling warm when Hermione says that he’s never been more fanciable, Hermione saying that Harry’s not a bad kisser, Hermione saying that Harry’s potion looks more tasty, Ron getting suspicious of Harry and Hermione talking, etc.
There are “in universe” explanations for all of these that have nothing to do with blatant or subconscious feelings from either Harry or Hermione towards the other, but all the same, it is there as a subplot _for us_ . A subplot/red herring that is, finally, decisively resolved when Harry admits to Ron “I love her like a sister” - and perhaps, that is Harry basically “breaking the fourth wall” and declaring the real state of affairs to the readers. It’s meant as a “grand reveal” that is particularly tied into Ron’s arc.
So, if H/Hr was so non-existent _even as a red herring_ , why wait until halfway through the last book to reveal this to us?!?Instead, it could have just simply been left alone after Harry says to Mrs. Weasley in GoF “Hermione’s not my girlfriend”. But, at least in regards to the text, that didn’t happen.
@@stefan4159 No, I still say it could have gone either way. JK likes to say it was always Harry and Ginny, but it wasn't really, because their relationship was non-existent for most of the series--just a one-sided crush. As was Harry and Hermione, mind you. I have to agree with you about Harry and Hermione being a good red herring, though that's exactly why they make a good ship and why it could have gone either way--because the support for it was there from the very beginning. Remember, Hermione clearly has a crush on Harry in the early books. Just like Ginny does for Harry. Except it's Harry and Hermione who are friends, grow up together, and who we see continually throughout the series being a tight-knit unit. Yes, Ron is a part of that unit, but just as there are some Ron and Harry moments, there are some Harry and Hermione moments, argubly more, and/or argubly, more meaningful ones. Harry and Hermione have a true deep bond. To say that Harry and Hermione were never meant to be seems so unrealistic to me, when you yourself give a list of reasons why they could have been--a list that's only the tip of the iceberg, really.
Now, I'm not really a Harmony shipper, but I AM a Ginny hater. I can't stand when others act like Harry and Ginny are some great match or how it was meant to be from the beginning. HP always reads to me like a series from an author who was just writing from book to book until, at some point in the middle (4 or 5), she finally decided to sit down and plan the whole thing out. Except she forgot to plan for Harry's love interest, and, rather than using a new character, decided to use an existing one. Now, JK wastes a ton of redemption arc opportunities, imo, and is definitely Gryffindor centric. That's probably her personal quirk and writing style, maybe it has to do with the times she was writing in. Idk. But it meant that options for Harry were pretty limited. So yeah, Ginny and Harry were meant to be, but only because Ginny was there, already existing. Not because she or their relationship possess any great qualities. Ginny doesn't have a personality until book 6. Out of 7. Maybe 5 if your feeling generous. If there's one thing JK does know how to do, it's develop character and relationships over multi-books. But she does not do this for Ginny. Ginny is a puddle compared to the ocean that is a character like Hermione. And what's worse is that if Ginny and Harry were truly meant to be, there are so many. opportunities. for her and Harry to develop a relationship. There are several times when Harry fights with Hermione or Ron, or when the whole school had turned on him when Ginny easily could have gotten closer to Harry and developed a truly deep friendship and a foundation for their romance. Heck, it would have made sense after book 2, after what happened in the chamber of secrets. Like, yes, Ginny was young, but she's only a year a part from Harry. And it's still plausible in book 3--hell, in this one Harry and Ron spend a good part of the year mad at Hermione for Crookshanks. There's an opening in the trio--Ginny could slide right in! But it doesn't happen. Instead she and Hermione develop an off-the-page/background friendship. In fact there are several times when Harry needed to turn to someone, when JK could have had him bond with Ginny, but, inexplicably, she has Harry turn to Hermione instead. I just cannot understand how anyone can look at that and then tell me Ginny and Harry were meant to be with a straight face. Because even after JK decides Harry and Ginny should be a Thing, when Harry needs to set off on the final leg of his journey, to face the most danger and challenges he's ever faced, to say goodbye to his most cherished loved ones, what happens to Ginny? She. Stays. Behind. That's how important she is to Harry, that's how important she is to the plot and the series. She doesn't matter. So no, Ginny and Harry were not meant to be--it's that the best girl in Gryffindor was already taken and Ginny was what was left.