First Oration against Cataline by Cicero

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  • čas přidán 6. 06. 2019
  • In 63BC, Cicero sought to deal once and for all with the threat of Cataline and his conspiring against the Senate and Rome itself. Seen as one of the classic speeches of the ancient world, Cicero holds nothing back in absolutely excoriating his opponent to his face.

Komentáře • 57

  • @cringlator
    @cringlator Před rokem +42

    Cicero walking in to the senate meeting: “I’m about to ruin this man’s career”

  • @user-ge4uk9ui8y
    @user-ge4uk9ui8y Před 4 lety +35

    that's a half an hour roast

  • @sergeyprokofiev7186
    @sergeyprokofiev7186 Před 2 lety +11

    No Blackmail, a brilliant Orator.

  • @aristophanesghost3839
    @aristophanesghost3839 Před rokem +8

    I'd bet the farm that Cicero didn't deliver that speech as it is written now.

  • @MC-gj8fg
    @MC-gj8fg Před 3 měsíci +2

    I can say with confidence that historians could find no connection whatsoever between the origin of the word "brevity" and Cicero.

  • @enricosantana9062
    @enricosantana9062 Před 4 lety +18

    Wimble Don you are a fantastic narrator!

  • @katerider8217
    @katerider8217 Před 3 lety +19

    Boom. Roasted.

  • @SevenFootPelican
    @SevenFootPelican Před 3 lety +12

    Second, third, and fourth in English? Why is it so impossible to find?!

    • @Wimbledonchannel
      @Wimbledonchannel  Před 3 lety +20

      He speaks for such a long time! haha, I'll get on to the later ones and have them for you in a bit, I've got 4 kids, so free time is at a premium!

    • @sk8trryan1997
      @sk8trryan1997 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Wimbledonchannel sir, you have a respublic to save!

  • @realkingofantarctica
    @realkingofantarctica Před 5 měsíci +2

    Hold up!! His writing is this fire???

  • @levinanji9649
    @levinanji9649 Před rokem +4

    Honestly, the oration usually sounds better, authentic and moving when done in classical latin, Cicero's language.

    • @Wimbledonchannel
      @Wimbledonchannel  Před rokem +10

      Thanks Levinanji9649, but I don’t speak Latin…

    • @james_baker
      @james_baker Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@Wimbledonchannel Latin sounds like Greek to me

    • @bill9989
      @bill9989 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@WimbledonchannelHe doesn't either.

    • @Wimbledonchannel
      @Wimbledonchannel  Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@bill9989 😂 would put money on that yep

  • @radin2538
    @radin2538 Před 3 lety +4

    14:00

  • @marishamcdowell552
    @marishamcdowell552 Před 2 lety +1

    I need help. Someone in these comments please help I have a discussion post due tonight and I am so damn lost. What is Aper’s argument, who is Aper? Who has the winning argument between Aper and Maternus? My book is on back order so I downloaded a digital version and I am so lost please help

  • @ahman4675
    @ahman4675 Před 4 lety +5

    This is naice

  • @MrDzver
    @MrDzver Před 3 lety +4

    I believe his name was Lucius Sergius Catilina, the anglicized name being 'Catiline', not Cataline..

  • @sk8trryan1997
    @sk8trryan1997 Před 2 lety +6

    Does anyone feel bad for Catiline?

    • @gracchi132
      @gracchi132 Před 5 měsíci

      And after more recent studies have found that there was no such conspiracy and it was likely fabricated by cicero and Cato

    • @paulkellerman2603
      @paulkellerman2603 Před 3 měsíci

      No.

    • @Creedonator
      @Creedonator Před měsícem +1

      Cataline did have it coming, but at the same time Cicero openly boasts about the overturning of the Roman constitution in the case of the deaths of the Gracchi, Saturninus, etc, to justify executing Cataline too. No heroes here.

    • @sk8trryan1997
      @sk8trryan1997 Před měsícem

      @@Creedonator didn’t cicero try to save/salvage the republic later on?

    • @Creedonator
      @Creedonator Před měsícem

      @@sk8trryan1997 He did, I certainly don't mean to say he was all bad. But he was, in my view, absolutely wrong on this issue, namely the execution of Roman citizens without appeal to the people. This was one of the key rights established by the settlement of the struggle of the orders centuries earlier, that no citizen could be executed without the opportunity to appeal to the plebeian assembly. The first time it was violated was when a group of senators gathered a mob and murdered Tiberius Gracchus and his supporters in the streets. A decade later the same thing happened to his brother Gaius and Gaius' colleague Fulvius, only this time the senate voted that it was okay first - the first "senatus consultum ultimum", the senate unilaterally deciding that it had the authority to suspend the constitution and kill whoever it wanted without trial. In this speech Cicero argues that the fact that these crimes went unpunished established a precedent that he could commit the same crimes against Cataline and his supporters. Cataline probably had it coming, but if Cicero was so confident that he was clearly guilty then he shouldn't have had a problem with letting him and his supporters make their appeal. Clodius was a shitbag too but he was constitutionally completely in the right to get Cicero exiled for how he handled the Cataline affair.

  • @wue5930
    @wue5930 Před 7 měsíci +1

    17:37

  • @Theboneroomreal
    @Theboneroomreal Před rokem +4

    If only we had a politician this brave and well spoken in our senate after January 6th. We would have solved a lot of problems.

    • @mat7342
      @mat7342 Před rokem +2

      a modern day cicero would've elegantly argued that januaray 6th was good lol. cataline wanted to redistribute the immense wealth that the patricians had and cicero wanted to keep his money so he proved the wrong things right

    • @roman343
      @roman343 Před rokem +5

      ​​@@mat7342 Your point of view of Cicero is a bit ahistorical that doesn't really speak to the nuances of the politics at the time. Cicero was first and foremost about protecting the Republic by all means necessary. Cicero would have been arguing treason for the Jan 6ers

    • @vulpes7079
      @vulpes7079 Před rokem

      Your Catiline is about to be arrested. I salute the Senate and People of North America

    • @MaxBecker-rv1ix
      @MaxBecker-rv1ix Před rokem

      @@mat7342 no, Cataline wanted to overturn the government because he lost the consul election, he didn’t care bout money

    • @dwl3006
      @dwl3006 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@roman343 Cato would have had them all executed.

  • @enricosantana9062
    @enricosantana9062 Před 4 lety +13

    Today that would be Cicero throwing the democrats out of America!
    GOD BLESS OUR REPUBLIC AND GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • @marcusappelberg369
      @marcusappelberg369 Před 4 lety +23

      Don't be so sure. The republicans are villains and idiots as well. Sure like your culture, but your politics is a joke. Cicero would laugh at both sides if he were alive today.

    • @stevengibson4773
      @stevengibson4773 Před 3 lety +21

      A shame to taint such a speech with petty partisan politics

    • @eliegbert8121
      @eliegbert8121 Před 3 lety +6

      cringe

    • @blackopsguy1023
      @blackopsguy1023 Před 2 lety +3

      “God Bless America” while mocking a heathen and pagan

    • @simonwilliams8525
      @simonwilliams8525 Před 2 lety +1

      This comment is particularly hilarious In the wake of a "Republican" president attempting to overturn the result of a democratic election and then incite a mob to storm Congress, murdering a police officer in the process.
      By your logic the senate should have voted for the immediate execution of such an enemy of the Republic.....

  • @NonServiam1312
    @NonServiam1312 Před 10 měsíci +2

    Comparing this oration to the way modern day US politicians talk, what an embarrassment.