The Rise, Fall and Unexpected Revival of Mario Strikers Charged
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Mario Strikers Charged took what made its predecessor shine as a competitive title and cranked it up to 11.
MSC stands as a shining example of how to make a sequel to an esports title, but that’s not the only important part of this game’s legacy. This is also the game that finally introduced Nintendo fans to the politics, passion, and competitive drive of early 2000s clan wars. With another sequel just around the corner, let’s look back at one of the rare instances where Nintendo mostly did everything right.
This is the story of Mario Strikers Charged, the rise, fall, and revival of Nintendo's greatest sports game.
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0:00 - Intro
1:31 - Mario Strikers Charged
4:38 - Online Play & Clan Wars
13:16 - A Community Fragmented But Not Forgotten
17:23 - Revival of a Competitive Scene
21:05 - The Future Is Bright
22:57 - Outro
#esports #gaming #nintendo - Hry
It was sad to hear Joker talk about the last day that Nintendo Wii servers were online, having one last session and then being forced to move on from a game and community that was so important to them.
It hit right in the heart 😔 the cut was so deep
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@@itsjdezbitch701 0
Besides the incredible artstyle and awesome trick shots what made this game feel so cool to me was the fact that every team was different - not just the captains but also the 3 minions you have playing with you. Each one had special moves, stats and gimmics that really made your team feel like it was your own.
Complete and Utter FACTS! And honestly, I feel like that aspect goes truly unappreciated!
Don’t forget about how fitting all character themes are.
minions lmao
I wished stats were different between Playmakers or All-Rounders, like Mario and Luigi in Battle League
Other than that, I absolutely love Charged. Whether I try using trickshots/confirms or not, it's always an immense blast
“Everyone’s different”
*3 boos
@@philippecoppieters4742 Lmao Petey 3 boos vs Wario 3 boos
I've been waiting for this video for like ever. Mario Strikers Charged was one of the best Mario Sports Games I've ever played growing up and it will always hold a special place in my heart from the gameplay, graphics and especially its music.
Same, did you play the new one?
Good video
@@NickMario1 Yes I did. It was fun but could've been better.
@@matthew_master5786 so is strikers still the best?? :)
@@miloelixir8172 Will forever be the best my dude.
Charged>>>>>>>>>>>>battle league
All the way!
Facts.
Lies
@@garitayior9000 What do you mean by that? Charged has a lot more content than Battle League! The fields are REALLY different in Charged! So how is Battle League better than Charged if Battle League has less content than Charged?
@@SuperPlacido1 and?
The game where I SWEAR from just the intro, everyone is basically out to kill each other...! 😳😳 Accompanied by INTENSE music.
I hella respect what can be done with this game's scene but not only THAT, Next Level Games went WILD with the characters, their special attacks, and the overall tone of this game. SO wild that clearly... Nintendo won't allow that to happen EVER again. Oh, Waluigi... Your Crotch Chop is greatly missed. We won't be seeing Daisy's "hot stuff" even if she returns in Mario Strikers Battle League. And MOST importantly... Petey Piranha's gangstah swagger will likely be gone (if he returns)
There is just so much STUFF. So much INTENSITY. So much... CHARGE. 🔥 🔥
EDIT: Also, can we get an "F" for our boi Kritter (our OG goalie)?
If only battle league was as good as this game 😩
Man this comment just says it all. Nintendo just loves to suck out the fun dont they? It really just illustrates how disillusioned by new Nintendo releases these days. I can almost always expect less than before.
9:52 hey that's me!
Anyway, great video!
Thanks!
I know this wasn't the point of the video at all, but I don't think Brawl was disappointing at all. Sure it wasn't that great competitively, but casually it's one of the best games ever.
Subspace Emissary is the best single player campaign for a fighting game and besides if they want competitive there is Project M/Project Plus
As far as content goes, yeah, Ultimate may have a better roster but it's kind of hard to argue with Subspace Emissary. Shame Nintendo intentionally kneecapped the gameplay itself.
It was still a dumbed down, slower and easier version of Melee. The point of the video wasn't if the sequels were good casually, either, it's all about competitive.
HOT TAKE: I personally like Mario Sluggers more than All Stars Baseball.
Same. Sluggers felt better to play.
i totally agree!
Honestly, both it and Brawl were much bigger masterpieces than the GC titles he favored.
Holy crap, seeing and hearing Wii Troopers took me way back. I was in a different Wii clan back in the day for Smash Bros Brawl, and Wii Troopers were like our rivals lol.
What clan?
@@davidc2322 Wii Hunters
i was in wii hunters too! my tag was TSM lol@@skipatrolslayer
I wish i would've known about all this. At the time i just played online every day through random matches and this is still one of my favorite games ever made and I was very competitive
Nobody can tell me brawl is bad when I had so much fun with it
Yeah, I think that brawl is a banger! Why does it get such a bad rep?
@@adryaunadavis6370 mostly because of the competitive melee scene
@@silent.9344 Fair point! But even so, it doesn't need to be dunked on without more proper reason.
After so many times posting in every social media to do a video on us, I’m so glad is done. No understands the emotion that me, Cobra, Joker and many others have gone through the years. May our community live for a long time!
I really want to play Charged again cuz holy shit that game was amazing and this new one is ehhh decent gameplay but bare fricking bones. I think what made me love Charged was the intensity it had from the artstyle to the music everything in that was so cool. I mean back in the day you wouldn't expect a mario game where everyone is all pissed and ready to kill each other, it was so different.
you can play it on the dolphin emulator
Charged is better than Battle League prove me wrong
Charged and the original are better than battle league imo
No one can prove you wrong on this fact.
I'm sorry. I think this 👑 belongs to YOU.
The melee of soccer games
Are you on Crack?!
Very happy to be a part of this! Thank you so much for having us!
Takes me back to quite the strange era of middle school. It took years to beat Diddy Kong in career mode, was disappointed how easy it was replaying it as an adult. The magic in being garbo at games is something real and I feel like squidward with this whole ageing stuff and trying to remember what it felt like.
I know right? Loved Banjo Kzooie for how hard and vast it was to 7y/o me. Made the mistake of playing it again at like 25 and I blazed it. The nostalgia was still there but the overall difficulty is ovbiously lower
@@kaimering guess that's why I started speedrunning to make it a challenge, GG
@@kaimering ikr same for me
Didi was kinda hard, more so because the stakes were high very different to todays games were you just simply respawn 10 mins before, Pirahna was hella intense as a kid
i loved this game so much as a kid. literally got it and thought "eh whatever" and then proceeded to fuel my entire childhood with it.
Charged Football will always have a place in my heart just because of how cool it looked to my young self, and still looks amazing today.
"Disappointing sequels" is a bit harsh. Maybe from a competitive standpoint, but they were still great games otherwise.
12:43 - The demonstration of the Titan's Chip was really well put together and nicely built with having seen instances of it occurring throughout the video.
I do adore Mario Strikers Charged Football so it's great to see this Wii game get plenty of love, even with the 3rd entry having released. It was real fun hearing about those early Wii online days.
Yo! My childhood :D
Freaking love this game. I really want to get into the competitive scene.
Then join us!
Aaaah, the video I was waiting for you to make is finally here
A bit unfortunate it came out already, but well, what can you do? Charged looks like fun though, it looks so fast-paced.
Great like always. Would love for you guys to one day cover Comp TF2. Its very much a grassroots comp scene that has all been done by the community since 2007 which you guys love to do. Multiple lans each year all run by players that love the game.
Thanks for uploading =) Mario Strikers is a sick series. Heavily considering picking up Strikers 1 or Charged because I don't wanna drop $60 on Battle League =x
Just discovered your channel. What a gem.
The one thing that made me really fall in love was its aesthetic. Instead of wearing standard football uniforms, they wore armor. Instead of a football, it was a metal ball. There were fences that would electrocute the players, items that would cause absolute chaos. The football fields looked like battlefields. The music was hard or soft rock and really oozed a competitive atmosphere. There really was never a game like it afterward. One of a kind.
I played Charged religiously for some years back then. Got damn good, but of course I moved on as years passed. Played Battle League and thought the gameplay was pretty good and liked that the characters had some charisma. There was one problem, I already played a superior version of the same game and it was Charged. So if there’s anything I wanna thank BL for is getting me back into Charged and reminding me just how much it meant to me.
Thought I lost my skill of the game over years, but after tightening some loose screws turns out I still got it baby!
I used to be a top player on the boards when this game was online it was so fun. I’m gonna try to play again hopefully since ppl can lol
You love to see such a passionate community even when the sequel is worse than the original :D
charged is worse than the original? D:
edit: i’m a bit further into the video. i was scared that the general consensus for MSC was that it was worse than the original. i’m glad to see that isn’t the case i love this game
I had a feeling he was talking about battle league, which did got a very mild reception due to the lack of content.
Controversial statement my dude
Soo who else was disappointed by how battle league played... like all they needed to do was do charged on the switch
100% lol. People are saying it will get better with updates in the future but I dont think thats true. They lack so many things that made Charged sooo good already.
Can't falt a game for that. It's simply not trying to be charge. No updates would fix that ethier.
@@aaronjones6299 I'm not faulting the game for not being charged. I for one is just disappointed in how they execution of batte league. It kinda feels weird. Like they were trying to comment to something but didn't go all the way. That's why I'm kinda I. The boat of do what you did for mariokart 8 bring it over from wii to the switch and updated with new characters and a better online servers
Or just do something new with what you got here I wouldn't be opposed to something along the lines of thrid person 4 v 4 soccer where each player is independently controlled l like how splatoon is
@@arseneronan9186 gameplay wise they it did feel like it commented to what it trying to do with the only exception being the fact you can't gave 4v4 online and lack of characters for the roster. Other then that I can't say they didn't commit on what they where trying to do
Another great video!
Around 8:48 the guest didn’t have the words for the formats. In the FGC it seems like they had either “standard” or “round robin” (everyone plays everyone”
Hello - I'm the "guest" in question.
I use the term "friend code matches" to describe the fact that genuinely competitive matches were played via the game's private player-to-player custom lobbies. MSC had a "ranked" game mode (which I did go into with the video creator, but my description went unused in this video) which is more akin to modern "quickplay" rather than a ladder-ranked test of skill. You were randomly matched against the first player to connect to you and engaged in timed matches featuring a wide assortment of noncompetitive stages like The Dump. (This is like having all stages playable in Smash, and playing on time vs. goals is pretty much a perfect analogue to playing on time vs. stocks in Smash as well.)
"Ranked" gameplay wasn't without community value, but when people wanted a fair fight, they set up a lobby and invited someone to it directly.
As far as how clan wars were formatted, the truth is that it was variable and negotiated group by group. Often, rosters were publicized around the war start time, and clans took their turn deciding who would play who. Many people tried to play all of their matches on a specific date, but player unavailability often meant clan wars were stretched out over long periods of time, since it was considered imperative that all of a clan's best players contribute to a given war.
Game-by-game, matches early in MSC's meta were timed affairs, but it generally evolved into an NTSC current of first to 7 goals (spearheaded by yours truly) and a PAL current of first to 10 goals, with no other major changes made to the game via its options. In today's region-unlocked, ladder-based gameplay, the PAL gameplay style is defaulted to - I can't blame them, with how fast the game has become.
I hope this gives you much clearer insight into things.
holy shit your content is actually fantastic, you bring attention for me as a subscriber about these games that dont have content creators that actively try grow the game through that. keep doing what you do please, maybe you can do itg?, or tetrio (online tetris game) :)
I just started playing Charged again. Battle League is embarrassing when compared to Charged!
I love this game posting the gameplay on my channel post twice a week but to find the community around this game. I wish I jumped into this community back when I was a kid. To see how people to still play this game just wow.
Cover phantom dust next. That would be awesome. I love your vids btw.
Love this game and always will. I was surprised to hear Arbok in this. I knew him back in the days that we played and was in Wii Troopers as well for a bit lol. If you haven't played this game, you should! Huge recommend.
Goated game
I think that Charged will maintain its competitive scene since Battle League looks to be a disappointment and a step back. Personally, I think the Gamecube OG is the best overall.
I remember the day when strikers switch came out I literally walked into the Store Saw a $20 Copy of a used Mario kart double dash and cancel my preorder of strikers. The lack of content killed it for me.
Thanks for the vid
We had some great battles in MSCBAY I played all these guys! I was the crappiest player at first who never gave up and then Wt Julien took me under his wing and then I got pretty good.
I’m here before the Coney react!
react content. ew.
Yes
Battle League had such potential man, but it was hit with horrible business practises by nintendo.
Yeah, it's sad, the games fun, but lacks alot of the charm Charged had and of course is very void of content.
@@ThePlasticBowl Everyone knew that any future strikers games would be toned down, nintendo would never allow it again
@@KC0407 My question is why tho? Like Charged didn’t destroy Mario’s image in any way, if anything people loved seeing the characters in such a different light so for what reason did it need to be toned down?
@@ThePlasticBowl Because Nintendo hates fun... and gamers
@@KC0407 Hmmm…. well can’t argue with that
But Sluggers is better than Superstar Baseball...
Control wise always goes to superstar
Babe wake up Akshon made a new esports video
Subscribed. I don’t know why I wouldn’t LOL
yay another mario sports video
Super smash brothers brawl was amazing not disappointing
You are wrong about Brawl
I remember seeing J0k3r on the forums in late 2000s. And pretty sure I even played him. Fucking mind boggling, because I was like 10 at the time😲
Every game will become an esport according to Mr Akshon.
Then what do you think makes a game can't be an esports?
Yeah... as long as there is thriving community, u cam make strange esport with objective goal or speedrun
Biggest takeaway for me is that apparently people hated Mario Super Sluggers. Why? I loved that game as a kid.
Just wait a year from now when Nintendo unveils a new Mario baseball game but will fall victim to be an unfinished game
Nice vid!
Would be sick to see a MK8/MK8D video on this channel, could sure send yall the way to the right people 😁
*video not vid. I don't understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.🤦♂
@@SuperPlacido1 lmao if that's the fight u wanna do, feel free. I am pic and vid gang for life
@@Dragmirejr Yes you are in a lazy team! I wouldn't brag about being lazy if I were you!
@@SuperPlacido1 At least I don't spend time going out of my way to write an answer on a comment on a youtube video about someone cutting two letters of a word lol.
I get where you're coming from, I just don't understand why you care enough to use time and energy on it.
@@Dragmirejr Ah don't worry! It doesn't take that much energy! Since the comment is short and I'm just copying and pasting a comment I wrote down!
I want to play Mario Strikers. It looks so fun!
PC Chad checking in. Nice to see arbok on the vid
Hey again! As soon as I learned of my opportunity to speak out about MSC on a big stage, I pretty much jumped at the chance. As you could probably infer from this video, although I am not directly involved in the community anymore like I once was, I still passionately believe it is one of the best multiplayer games ever created and have a good deal of nostalgia for it.
I also have to say: if you want to get back into MSC, now is a fantastic time to do so. The game is getting notoriety due to the release of Battle League and, to a lesser extent, this video. I can say from experience that my rusty self just barely defeated a player who is highly ranked on the Discord ladder. MSC competition is still ultimately niche, but hey, it's alive and well, and I think that's very cool.
Battle League was such a huge dissapointment for me. Glad I still have my Wii and MSC.
Anyone remember MSCSKY? It was an old strikers charged chat room
Nintendo didn't make Sonic Riders LMAO
Also the sonic riders series was multiplatform so Nintendo can't even take blame there as well
Diss super smash bros brawl all you want, the game is my favorite in the series because of it's amazing story and great cast of characters, also featuring the first time 3rd party characters
My favorite non fps game
The DLC trailer: "We added Daisy and Shy Guy!"
Reality: "Ok fine have Daisy you fucking bastards, oh but by the way we are gutting half of the entire roster!"
Things I would change...
1. Patch out the Death Lob, but keep the titans chip.
2. Un-nerf Technique, un-nerf long shots, nerf uncharged shots, buff charged shots, nerf cross-shots, nerf interceptions, and buff tackles.
To clarify I would make it much easier to defend against cross-shots, while making charged shots more effective.
The best way to do this, is to change what tackles do. To put it simply I would either leave the stun duration alone, but I would also add A LOT of knockback to tackles! If I tackle someone with a charged tackle it should push them clear out of the goalie area.
3. Interceptions and items need a slight cooldown. I'm really tired of every match just devolving into item spam madness...especially in the galactic cups. (Because intercepting an interception from another interception which was its self an interception of one of Boom Boom's throw ins should not be a thing that happens every single round of a match, not even in the Chain Cup)
4. I would make it possible to turn off items and Hyper Strikes in club mode.
5. No more slow-mo on hyper strikes in Club mode, but items can still be put down (at least this has some semblance of strategy).
6. I would limit Boom Boom's throw ins to only that teams side of the court, because why the hell does he constantly throw it clear to the other side, when I have multiple eligible receivers near him. No seriously he is the goalie, the goalie is supposed to be on your team, not a third party. WTF?!
7. We need an absolutely MASSIVE buff to friendly AI, no seriously the AI is so bad, but only for your team. I know they "buffed" Boom Boom, but actually that just hurt it that much more, because it feels like ONLY the opposing goalie is better, and "Boom Boom diff" is an even bigger problem then ever before! Its not just the goalie either, every match in a cup battle feels like a constant 1 VS 9, and I think its even worse then before. Pre-patch AI behavior was bad, but post-patch I literally have had instances where CPUs just move around and nothing else.
8. Add more game modes, add a lot more gear sets, more characters, more stadiums, add button remapping, implement play invitations, add a spectator mode, add a story or campaign mode, make the visual assist mode a lot better, make the hyper strike bar easier to see, make the ball itself A LOT easier to see (maybe by bringing back its design from Charged), allow each member of a club to have 2 strikers each not just one (I mean if u can have 2 players each then why the fuck not), and add A LOT more incentives to either join or start a Strikers Club .
9. I would change how the CPU difficulty setting works, I would add a new "Brutal" difficulty to CPUs, but would also make "Hard" a bit easier. So, the new "Hard" CPUs would land between current Normal and Hard, while the "Brutal" difficulty would be slightly more difficult then the current "Hard" CPUs.
This is how I wish the game could be....instead of the absolute mess I am currently dealing with....would this fix all the issues…no, not even close, but it would b a good first step!!!
Honestly they should just make a better strikers game that fans actually wanted. The current one is a mere shell of what it should have been
Oh charged is
Battle network isnt
*Leaque!
Hey, some of us are fans of both! I'm one of the guys speaking in the video, and I still have my 4.5 import somewhere, complete with all those real-world battlechips that cross-functioned with the PET toys.
I never played BN competitively since it was largely a ROM-based scene, but I hope its versus community gets a boost with the BN collection on the way.
@@LordPsyBorg What BN mean?
(13:16) It seems weird to have your own games compete against each other.
Make videos on underrated esports games
That’s literally what this channel does
I love Mario strikers charged
the reason for items on is probably because they didn’t play the challenges
No
@@feder5ita did you complete them all
you know some can be a pain to complete so that could be one of the reasons
@@supermaximglitchy1 items are a huge part of the game at competitive level, turning them off means the gameplay becomes mindlessly hit-spamming.
learned somethin new , thought the 2 were the same
1:58 bro there's no way this has sold more than Mario Kart lol
please make a Nox pvp history ..... im Nox speedrunner, i dont have much to say
13:47 no one wouldve bought striker if they putted kart first! or brawl!
Well.. I wonder how they like new Mario strikers.
Taking part in clan wars during the first year of this game has to be one of my favourite teenage memories
Edit: Oh hey, they mentioned my old clan (Excessive Force)
Join the discord and see if you can find some old friends!
May I ask what your nickname was back then? I joined EF mid 2008 and still remember all those guys from back then. :D
@@GoldCobra111 I was UKulele back then. :]
@@frtd12345 Ha, still remember that name! Glad to see some people still paying attention from the OG MSC days. :D
Will mario be in fifa 23 now?
Mario sluggers, was the best game on the wii besides Mario kart in my opinion. The roster was phenomenal
is the newest mario strikers even good or better than the prev two???
I went to a local con last weekend where they hold a 2v2 Mario Strikers Battle League Football that I couldn't participate or watch due to me being on shift at work, also, I meet a couple of people that after playing it, felt in love with BLF's gameplay and they're getting the game lol
New video :D
Pied wishes he was as good as me
I cant beat Diddy kong but it's still is great game
I really hope that Battle League can have a thriving community, I know this video came out before the game came out and the game is getting trashed on like crazy but as long as the strikers community keeps it alive, I’ll be happy. Also the updates should keep people coming back and hopefully will get new people into the series!
God I hope not... the New Audience deserves a better Mario Sports Spin-Off than that Battle League Crap
10:08 *bro the anxiety I feel it*
lmfao relatable
Can you make a vid about RF or Lost Saga?
Rising Force Online? Isn't that game just an MMORPG, I never heard about it having a PVP tho.
As for Lost Saga, I am interested in seeing it getting covered, but I barely heard anything about it being that big. It's very much endemic to its origin and some countries, popular there but that's it.
RF have clan war system. And im sure it didnt need 'big' to be covered here.
niiiiceeeee
Calling sluggers bland and boring is wild
The gameplay was dumbed down from Superstar baseball due to less buttons, but it had more content.
Nintendo didn't release dumbed down shallower sequels on the Wii though. I mean sure Brawl is more casual...but it's not more shallow as a whole and it has more content then Melee, if anything Brawl is the masterpiece.
Sure the baseball Mario Wii game could be seen as a disappointment...but it's not all bad. Also MKWii>MKDD and Warioware Smooth Moves>Wario Ware Gamecube.
So there wasn't only one title that was from the Gamecube era that had a great sequel...MULTIPLE games are like that.
Melee was not a weaker sequel...
They were talking about Brawl being the sequel to Melee.
If only battle ligma was good :(
0:23 in my opinion sluggers wasn’t even that bad
Do Critical-Ops, that mobile game has become an esport
Hold the phone! Mario Super Sluggers was amazing! Better than any strikers game to me.
A view on Mario Strikers: Battle League would be cool, in a couple weeks the 1 year anniversary will happen, and there is still a pretty big competitive community with tournaments and leagues like the Mario Strikers Charged and Super Mario Strikers communities
What was wrong with Mario Super Sluggers?
0:28 GameCube is not a golden age that is wii and then switch
Sluggers is good tf
How can you start talking about GameCube games that had poor sequel with Super Smash Bros? Besides the competitive aspect, Brawl is still a masterpiece with much more content than Melee. Characters, stages, modes, collectibles... And I play Melee competively.
That’s how most things work these days for some people. Oh my god I love this game, uh this game feels so old, time to move on. Jeez that new entry was trash, time to move on to the old games. I’m not calling anything out, but when new entries don’t grab people there tends to be a flock of people reviving the old games again.
Because we, consumers, have the right to ask for an improvement when they pay the product
@@therealjaystone2344 That’s rightfully, deserved. It’s just a trend I’ve been noticing for years now.
Sluggers was bad? I thought sluggers was just as good as the first. I don’t understand motion control complaint at all as i though you had to use them due to the amount of complaining but I found out you don’t even have to use them their is a controller option that allows only buttons so yeah I don’t get it.