How to Fly a VOR Hold Procedure | FlightInsight | IFR
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2020
- VOR holding procedures are one of the most challenging things you'll face on your checkride. To make matters worse, we hardly get to practice them anymore with fewer stations and equipped aircraft out there.
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What makes this maneuver so tricky is the number of tasks going on in a short amount of time. If you stay methodical and do one thing at a time though, it suddenly becomes easier.
We'll start by breaking down the different parts of the holding procedure on the whiteboard, then look at how the VOR receiver is used to fly the hold. Finally, we'll jump in the simulator and actually fly this hold together.
Here's the approach plate with the hold we'll be using at Carroll Country Airport (KDMW)
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Some people are just born for teaching and this guy is one of them.
This by far the best HOLD video I have seen so far that includes all aspects/steps in order to understand and execute one. Thank you so much.
Thanks for watching! More holding videos to follow...
i watched this when i was half asleep last night and did 2 holds today and my instructor wanted to know how I knew everything already. Thank you so much for making it so simple
I really struggled understanding VOR, but you spoke my language!! It’s not as difficult as I was making it! Thank you !!!
As an instructor, having gone through countless videos myself when I first learned these, this is hands down THE SINGLE BEST VIDEO ON HOLDS THAT EXISTS
Thank you so much for this, this will greatly help so many people
Thanks so much for those awesome words. It was only as an instructor that I started to see all the different ways these holds can get confusing for us, so hopefully it hits home for your own instructing.
Your explanations are crystal-clear and you combine theory and practice in a repetitive way to make tricky problems easier. Thank you for your patience and skills as an instructor.
Thank you so much!!!! Please keep these videos coming. You don’t know how much of an impact you are to the aviation community
Great video to simplify VOR entry/hold procedures step-by-step. Much appreciated Dan!
I feel really privileged that these excellent videos are coming out just as I’m learning about this. I’m really amazed how much sense this makes.
So glad the timing works out! Good luck in your training.
The graphics and simulator work was so helpful in understanding the process!! Rock on!!
Another great video. I've been a CFI for 24 years, but have found myself watching your videos of late for their excellent presentation. It's never too late to learn something new.
The only thing I'd add to this video is the necessity to vary the outbound timing in order to adjust the inbound leg as close as possible to one minute (or whatever non-standard time or distance has been specified). You've only got them timing the outbound leg and simply accepting the resultant inbound leg without proactively trying to refine it with each trip around the hold. Other than that, well done!
2021 still the best video explaining the whole procedure so far. Like.
Really helpful video, thanks!
Only question, I noticed at 4:02 you mention "outbound turn... setting 358", but then you flip it to ~302degs. Was that unintentional? You did that during both the drawing hold iterations, but in the simulator you didn't, you flipped it to actual 358degs.
I like the illustrations shown before practicing in the sim. Very helpful, thank you
This is the BEST channel about IFR training. Thank you so much! 🤝
I’m in checkride prep for my IFR right now and of the sum 20 VOR Holding videos I’ve watched, this is the only one that has made sense! Thank you for showing it in the simulator, too!
Thank you so much! Wow this is exactly what I was looking for!
Wow I really enjoyed! 🤍✈️
This is a truly great video. Thanks for your efforts putting that together. Well done. 👍🏼
Great video. One thing that is worth mentioning is 90, 60 and 45 degrees checks on the inbound turn. This can help adjust your angle of bank so that you don’t overshoot or undershoot
Excellent presentation, thank you so very much for sharing this!
This has really helped me get my head around VOR holds while doing my IR(R) thanks!
Dude, you have helped me so much with my instrument understanding. Time to find a new instructor. Thank you so much
Your videos with the sim are AMAZING.
Just started my instrument ground school, and your videos help me ti better understand the material. Thank you so much for what you do!
Ur great man! Making it simple and easy to understand! Thanks for all your videos!
Thank you so much ! I'm CFI to Quebec city and your videos help me a lot !
Great Video, thanks mate
Thank you so much. I just had my holdings started and im going crazy.
Another awesome video ! Keep posting, because I'm watching :) BTW, thanks for including link to FERGO IFR SIMULATOR in the previous video ! I haven't tried it yet, though.
"In line to go back down the watershoot.." What a great analogy for the outbound.
This video was absolutely amazing!
Great video!
what a fantastic guide 👏
Nice video thank you for making it simple
Dude! I flew with you once out of Freeway (I booked with you because Y. Y. was out and I didn’t want to have a long break in training). This content has been super helpful as I transition to instrument training. Really wish I had stayed at W00 now to get this sort of insight on the regular ;-) Be well!
Great Video!
Bravo! Very good explanation and illustration. I am starting my instrument training in Jan 2024 and I have been practising on flight sim. This will be next exercise
Such great videos thank you
you are the best !! Thank you man .
You do a great job with your videos, and I don’t want to confuse people. I just want to state that I have learned a different method which is easier for me because it keeps me ahead of the airplane. When I’m supposed to hold on the 178 radial, I dial the 178 radial on my OBS I get a FROM indication. This is based on the example that you approached from the south west. Doing it this way it creates two memory aids. The first, the CDI will be deflected to the left, which is the same location where the VOR is. As I’m approaching the station. Using the memory aid with a FROM indication “If the needle at the station are on the same side, you’re not there yet.” As I pass the station and the flag flips, I start my left turn and I track outbound 178. When I’m a beam the flag, flips from To to FROM. I now time for one minute. After that, I turn inbound heading 358 and fly away from the needle. Some people call this reverse, sensing I just call it reverse orientation. Kind of the same way if you fly a model plane or drone and it is flying toward you and you wanted to go left but it appears to go to the right because you are facing opposite direction of its orientation. I am one of those pilots who fly this way because there’s less OBS flipping and you get to remember what radial you’re supposed to hold on. With an HSI it does this for you and you need only to set the course needle to the hold radial. One more thing. Doing it this way keep your CDI to the left on the outbound leg reminding you of the turn direction and the proper side of the hold or protected side.
YOUR videos are excellent!!! I have already finished Ground school via King last year and got an 88 on the written. I should finish up this month. Thankyou for your excellent videos. Glad to put a face with the voice.....although I find the best videos are the ones not about the selfie. .
Amazing video
Excellent!
Very well done
Keep it up
Thank you for this
best video explaining holds hands down
Glad you thought so! Hope it clears things up
I need this so badly thank you!!!
Glad to hear it. Hope to have some more IFR videos up soon
@@flightinsight9111 here is a quick question, would it be possible to use the nav mode on the autopilot on the inbound leg?
Great video!!You should do one on holding at an NDB and a localizer.
Awesome
Thanks
I was doing so bad on holds before my stage check and you nailed it in explaining, thank you so much. Can someone help me regarding how to make a judgment on what entry should my hold be?
I just flew a racetrack last week for the first time with my instructor. This video really filled in the details. Thank you so much for posting these.
By the way, is there a simulator setup you recommend for someone starting instrument training?
That was awesome! It would be even better if you showed some examples of crosswind and head/tail wind corrections.
Working on IFR. Thx
Good luck! Enjoy the process
10 star video
@FlightInsight Love your videos. As an amateur content producer I would like to ask which tool do you use for the animations in which you divide up the charts and also like in this video, drawing lines or animating the aircraft icon, OBS, etc.?
why is the to from indicator indicates to while inbound turn? I thought it must indicate from when you are heading against the VOR
What am I missing? at the 4:09 mark, the plane is flying towards 'TO' the VOR, 358 degrees. Yet, the OBS is showing the needle centered at 305 degrees.
At 4:09 is that an error on your OBS? I thought it was supposed to be set to 358, but wasn’t sure if I missed something.
yes it is! Thanks for calling it out - will be updated in the full IFR course.
@@flightinsight9111 came here for this comment. I thought I was severely missing something. Thank you for the incredible content!
@@flightinsight9111 Great video and THANKS for posting, but if this is an error, - recommend fixing the video or replacing it with the correct graphics
When you reach the VOR , should you turn heading 358, before turning to 178, so that you always get the racetrack as drawn ?
For example, if you arrived from the east, and turned to 178 when reaching the VOR, your racetrack would be further to the south.
Awesome vid but it would've been nice to see the little plane icon following along on the plate, while you showed the simulator
Can someone tell what simulator he was using, it looks perfect to practice instrument flying using analog and of course alongside autopilot. thanks.
4:02 you say setting 358 in the OBS but it spins to like 304... Everybody keep in mind the OBS should be set to 358 to get the correct CDI center with a TO indication readings on the inbound leg.
How does setting the OBS on 358 after the one minute initial turn let you know you are abeam the station? I can see setting and passing the 268 radial letting you know you are abeam the fix but not 358.
Funny I did this exact same scenario on the sim with exact headings and altitudes. I messed it up tho cause I kept turning tight. But now I know.
Why is the CDI to the right (showing left of course) when you’re outbound heading on 178 degrees if the 358 course is to your left? I thought the cdi would swing the other direction? Reverse sensing since you’re flying away while dialed into the inbound 358 course?
Can you tell me what simulator are you using please.? Looking for a great simulator to practice instruments. Any advice from anyone. Thanks
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All your videos are so helpful. Really helping me to understand all this material. What is your name, I shall name my first born son after you
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How could you do it with graphic and motion? Please show me the name of the software
What sim are you using? Great explanation btw!
Thanks! On this one it was Xplane11 I think, but I've since moved over to FS2020.
I had trouble finding same sheet, listed as KDMW in Navigraph (Jeppesen)
Hmm. I don't have a Jepp subscription, so not sure if there is a chart for this approach or Navigraph just doesn't have it.
@@flightinsight9111 It would be an interesting video, do a missed approach to KDMW -> EMI VOR hold pattern :)
Good video but you say “setting the OBS to 358” a couple times at the beginning while ACTUALLY setting the OBS to more like 302. Not sure why you did that but I’m guessing it wasn’t intentional. Just makes it a little confusing if you don’t notice the mistake.
I noticed that as well, I think you’re right, it confused me at first, but watching it a second time made sense it was unintentional
Yes I was confused too. We shouldn't turn the OBS at all once we're in the hold, right? (I think he looped the footy, which included the part where he entered the hold by accident.)
Why not? We should use five T's turn time twist throttle talk so when the flag flips to from you turn to a outbound course then set the timer for 1 minute followed by setting the obs to the inbound course while you're in a outbound course...
Carrol county is always clogging up the radio at my airport.
why does the TO/FROM flag say TO when you are flying away from the station?
Can this VOR holding pattern be accomplished with ANY aircraft, or only with these "oldies" ?
As long as your aircraft has a working VOR receiver (or GPS which can overlay the VOR and radial) you can fly a VOR hold. Until GPS became commonplace, even the airliners would perform holds working primarily off VOR radials.
For a parallel entry, should the OBS be set to the outbound initially and then inbound or no? Personal preference?
No reason why not, but since you don't need to stay on that course when you're doing the parallel entry, it might add an extra complication where you're having to first twist to the outbond (radial), and then twist the inbound. I don't fly them like that, but if you're ok with the extra workload I suppose it adds a bit of sit. awareness to know where the outbound course is
@@flightinsight9111 awesome thanks so much. I wish there were more videos like this on holds. Honestly I know them like the back of my hand for the knowledge test and just generally "on paper" but for up in the air this is as good as it gets. Most of online videos go as far as the 5 Ts and then stop there. Thanks again man, super helpful
@@Peterpeterpumpkineater1000 really glad to hear it. I’ll be putting up more VOR vids in the future since it seems like a lot of folks have been asking about it
Why did altitude drop so much?
Can you make a video for NDB holds?
sure! only ever done them in the sim. I'll put one together down the road
@@flightinsight9111 Thanks dude :)
I thought VOR would be 178 no matter your direction in or out. If you are on the line you are on the line
Please do a video for those of us who don't have an autopilot and only 2 vor's and a dme.
Maybe this one? czcams.com/video/YaPH4Enpoww/video.html
@@flightinsight9111 Can't open that link. says it's set to private?!?
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Folks, the one minute is the INBOUND leg. You only time the outbound so you can adjust it shorter or longer on the next patten so that the inbound leg is 1 minute. Otherwise, good video as usual. Thanks sir
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Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Why do these videos never show the vor needle and only a cdi? You're ignoring the most critical input to the whole thing
OMG your on camera...Yikes
Speech is too fast to understand
Your voice does not match up with what you look like