Manchester United’s Decade of Transfer Failure
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In the decade since Sir Alex Ferguson retired, Manchester United have spent £1.32bn in the transfer market. Despite that, they’ve not come close to winning the Premier League.
For many, the club’s transfer activity is to blame, and the lack of a true and consistent recruiting strategy.
Seb Stafford-Bloor explains. Illustrated by Marco Bevilacqua.
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Mata was fantastic, criminally underrated . Often played out of his ideal position, never complained, led by example. Just a wonderful footballer and person
Mata, Matic, Young, Smalling were all pretty good
I agree but I can mention Daley Blind also. Criminal to not played him as a DMF.
8 years at Man Utd
I will always remember him as blue, the guy who assisted drogba in the UCL final 2012..
but it wasnt necessary buying, it was marquee signing by Ed
@@soso-V12Yeah Blind always seemed far more comfortable in midfield, but kept having to fill in at CB and LB. Always thought he was an underrated player. Smart and versatile. Could have been a beast if he had a more athletic frame.
“Amid complaints of a lack of entertainment he was dismissed and replaced by Jose Mourinho” That’ll sort that problem 😂
You don't get the point...Mourinho himself was the entertainment
@@chungkaychan4824 That must be it, because the football surely wasn't!
from passing passing passing
to parking parking parking
🙄
@@narraliveproject2576 From side way passes to no passing at all
ît worked...@@narraliveproject2576
As a Spurs fan, we constantly berate Levy for our biggest transfer failures: NDombele, Lo Celso and now potentially Richarlison. This video made me realise that United have signed an NDombele every year for 10 years....
Warra trophy totspur
@@quitestiger2818 Walter White is the biggest Spurs fan that he changed his surname in the honor of Spurs white jersey.
While spurs signed no one. Much of a muchness
@@balsham137 I'm not saying we've done well, I'm just saying it puts our big fee failures into perspective.
@@quitestiger2818 Interesting comment there, you have real insight which is wasted in the comment section of CZcams!
You missed Falcao. Di Maria and Falcao right before the international break gave us so much hope, as did the first 15 minutes against Leicester in the next game...
Still remember the Leicester game. Went from 3-1 to losing 5-3. Vardy was born
@@IMMERSIVEVOICEdont be that guy
Falcao was loaned out, not transfered
@@IMMERSIVEVOICEU can be who ever u want .... I'll be by your side as u banter these circus act to a pulp
Di Maria was mentioned
It still upsets me what happened to Herera at United. he and Mata were so passionate and dedicated...
Herreira played in the champions league final next season, that's how good he was and we let him go for free
@@pavananms1443 herrera was one of my favourite players at united, but the wages he wanted weren't warranted for his talent. I don't blame him for demanding them though, as other players in his position who performed worse were on higher wages - another boardroom problem.
he was so average and went to warm psgs bench
we refused him a 20 000 increase and gave him no info the same summer we gave Jones a new contract, and both Smalling and Young got an increase in wages, while Ole was very clear on how we needed Herrera. Our first bad run under Ole started the week after Herrera got injured.@@jacksavage6354
That's it though, you said 'passionate and dedicated' rather than great.
The underlying issue has always been being too reactionary in -
1. Firing the manager after a string of bad results
2. Getting a new manager and letting the said manager spend money on players they think would suit their style of play
3. Not giving enough time for a proper rebuild (Man Utd’s commercial success becomes their achilles heel)
4. Not backing the manager
And the cycle repeats itself from 1-4. This has happened with every manager Man Utd. has had ever since Sir Alex retired. They must not repeat this with ten Hag, but with stories like their stock price plummeting makes me wonder it’s a matter of when and not if. The problem with all this lies not on the pitch or the manager’s office, but the boardroom.
Don't forget about the delu fanbase that always back the wrong outcome
The stock price plummeting is due to the lack of hope with the owners selling the club, it has nothing to do with Ten Hag
The biggest problem is the fan kept thinking they're title challenger every season hence they kept doing high profile signing
I'm not a United fans but looking at Ten Hag, I don't see consistency in the implimentation of a playing style. For me the issue stems from too many ego's in the dressing room, too many ex players being so influential in the media and not enough control over what comes out of the club.
Take a look back at some of the outrageous antics of Man U players under Fergie, not a wince became public. This is of the upmost importance of any organisation, controlling the narrative. With issues from Sancho, Maguire, CR7 etc the weakness lies in not being united behind the incumbent manager. It's more difficult to buy and influence the league like it once was during Fergies reign. What's the solution?
@@user-td9yg4lu5cI never understood why they got rid of Ralf Rangnick.
Mourinho criticized United's transfer policy over 6 yrs ago and proved to everyone how terrible it was And yet absolutely nothing has changed since then. It's comical how random lower league teams have more through transfer planning than a multi billion dollar club
He had the best season and highest points tally post sir Alex and Yet he is still hated
Jose failed at Real Madrid and man united
@@tevildo45jose won in both clubs yet in the eyes of 6year old fans he still "failed"
@@tevildo45wow if winning the la liga and preventing barca from getting another treble was failure than I really wanna be a failure rn
@@tevildo45According to Mourinho, the greatest achievement of his career is finishing second in the league as a headcoach of Man Utd.
He also said:
"I keep saying this because people don't know what is going on behind the scenes."
Won what? He won a Coca Cola cup for man united and a Europa league agains the Ajax u21 team, a Europa league he criticised Rafa for winning at Chelsea. He won one league title at Real Madrid in 3 years with one of the best squads in football history, if you don’t win the champions league with Real Madrid your failure. Stop simping and think for yourself
The recruitment towards the end of SAF's era was subpar. Many talented players who could have had successful careers at Old Trafford, such as Silva and Aguero, ended up at City. Additionally, there was a persistent reluctance to invest in a quality central midfielder during that period. While Scholes was exceptional, Manchester United had the resources to acquire one or even two replacements but chose not to do so. Also, when Gill departed along with SAF, it resulted in Woodward taking charge.
Yup, SAF left Moyes a ticking time bomb of a squad. The defense (Rio.Vidic, Evra) were all on their last legs. The midfield was atrocious, other than maybe Carrick. The talents of RVP & Rooney were the only reason why United had won the Prem.
Net spend from 2008-2013 was zero. That’s the main issue
@@nagraj2k1glazers have always been an issue sigh people are just realizing that SAF was doing wonders.. replacing ronaldo with OBERTAN, Valencia, and OWEN on a free is laughable😭😭.. we couldve had benzema and ribery but oh well
@@stevendchuFerguson left him that? You mean the Glazers refusing to buy key targets left Moyes that?
The midfield would have been solved with Thiago who already agreed personal terms with SAF to join in, but Moyes came in and canceled the deal because he wanted Fabregas instead... and ended up with Fellaini as last minute alternative after we were beaten by Chelsea.
SAF also strongly courted for Lewandowski in 2012, but van Persie personally lobbied for a move to us via our assistant manager Renee Meulenstein, and when he joined in Lewandowski called off negotiation.
We also had Wilfred Zaha in our book then but he wasn't rated by Moyes as well.
More than 10 years actually, when the club failed to rejuvenate the squad with young talented players, instead persisted on buying short term stop gap signings
I thought ETH would break this trend but he seems more determined to plug holes with whatever he can find than any other manager.
The writing was on the wall when Ronaldo was sold and not replaced properly.
@@ElectronicChateau Obertan Owen and Valencia yeah who could forget that
I remember when we sold Ronaldo and Fergie wanted either Hazard or Lucas Moura. Who did we get instead?
Valencia and Gabriel Orbatan. 😂
@@iwantgoals1566 Valencia went on to win many titles + POTY and is now a legend at the club, what is your point?
The only manager that was capable of bringing United to the top & compete with Guardiola (because he’s proved it before) was Mourinho and ironically he got the LEAST backing. Was getting pelted by the media and the final straw was a narrow defeat to Liverpool. Ten Hag ironically who is getting the most praise hasn’t won away from home against the top 10 and lost 7-0 to liverpool and conceded 6 to City. Ten Hag also trys to play the same counter attacking style that Mourinho played, but seemingly doesn’t have the tactical strength to pull it off. They defend and when they have the ball they don’t know how to transition unlike Mourinho’s team.
Only 2 managers have ever beat Guardiola to a league title: Klopp & Mourinho, one manages your rival, and the other you sacked after you failed to back him. Unbelievably incompetent board.
Conte best pep to a league title but it doesn’t fit with the Jose mourinho victim mentality. Jose failed at Real Madrid and man united
Ssshh don’t tell them this. Let them enjoy their prolonged failure
@@tevildo45 I can swear on my life you weren’t old enough to see a single Mournho Real Madrid game live. His 11-12 side was statistically the best in LaLiga history. Reached 3 consecutive semis and in 11-12 lost on PKs. You’re clearly just a hater or support a club the Jose has hurt numerous times. (Ars, Liv)
@@tevildo45failed in Madrid???
@@tevildo45apparently Jose “besting” Pep to a league title in Spain doesn’t fit with your mentality
When Malcolm Glazer walked into the club after crippling it with leveraged debt in 2005, he and his family got incredibly lucky. Fergie was in the final stages of building his last great team and ready to meet the challenge of Jose and Abramovich's new Chelsea.
The impact of the Glazer family as a whole wouldn't become apparent until Sir Alex retired. The family thought that success wouldn't end and the club would always have the commercial revenue to line their pockets.
They turned a debt free, well run club into a joke both off and on the pitch. The post-Fergie transfer 'strategy' was essentially throw money at anything and hope it works.
The amount of money wasted on players that were generally a bad fit for the club is frightening. These being players on massive wages. The club then struggles to sell them two seasons later because other teams are not stupid enough to pay money to pick up their over inflated contracts.
The transfer side of things is just the tip of the iceberg. Managerial policy in that decade is a whole separate debate unto itself
Ferguson himself is the reason why glazers became the owners. The rock of Gibraltar episode is a shambolic event in his managerial career
@@EdgarHunkyeah
Alex Ferguson is solely responsible for the glazers ownership and he has supported them every day of their reign
interesting to think if it would have been this bad had they signed Pep to replace SAF. would his system and style of players given us City's success? we've spent just as much as they have its just been on the wrong guys at the wrong time under the wrong system
@@rwalker0130 pep would fail under these owners. any other manager apart from sir alex would fail.
I cannot believe how tragic the vast majority of signings have been. A combination of buying players at the peak of their value and being unable to extract performances from players is damning.
A major issue that Manchester United's people in charge of negotiating are not good enough. Again this summer they overpaid for Mount who had a year left on his contract and sold Fred for €15m, what a joke
Fred is only worth 15m, though. Absolutely useless player
Nah, we got a fair deal on Mount.
Kane also had 1 year left and went for 100m.
1 Year only matters if the club cares about cashing in.
@@NostalgiNordenKane has 213 premier league goals to his name. Mount struggled to play for Chelsea last season. Nothing the same scenario at all. Mason shouldn't have cost more than 30 mill with one year left if we take his standing in the game into consideration
@@NostalgiNordenKovacic also had 1 year on his deal and is a better player than Mount at Chelsea and a better fit at United. He cost City way less. United routinely overpay for players they dont really need or are hellbent on signing a specific player no matter the price.
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot Hyperbole, he was not world class, but he was far from useless.
As a kid growing-up, I never thought these days would come. The last ten years have been absolutely hilarious. Long may it continue.
My thoughts exactly! God I hope they don't win a league for years 😂⚽
ManCity fan here. Man, y'all are mean😂😂😭 This bias may be affected by the high number of depressed ManU fans I have as friends, but I hope they win at least SOMETHING soon.
obviously not a proper City fan. Game's gone@@malhaar2271
@@malhaar2271"Man City fan" 😂😂😂😂 yeah appreciate your 2yrs of "support"
Man city fan ????? 😂😂😂😂
It’s amazing how Real Madrid is -240 Million in balance, yet achieved 5 Champion Leagues in the last 10 years.
they keep selling assets and parts of assets and rights to stay afloat alongside player sales. Madrid has a 100% image rights policy for all their players so they make all the money from merchandise and media income as well. Being a socio club (owned by a supporters' trust, one of only 3 major ones in Spain) means that they are not affected by most rules that govern companies and most clubs- alongside Barcelona and Osasuna.
why is that amazing? they lose the least in transfers. of course they win everything.
Those 5 ucls didn’t come from players or business that occurred in those 10 years
@@Kzeditzzz387 so players like casemiro, kroos, isco, bale, carvajal (all signed around 2013/2014) did not help? Also in the very last one they won its undeniable that was won by an a almost total post 2013 players in the starting 11 in the final (only Benzema and Modric were not) and the key players that day were Vinicius jr and Courtois both signed as recently as 2018.
Comparing any club to the two in spain is silly. Same with Bayern.
I called it the "woodward disease'. United inability to align a long term strategy for building up a trophy winning squad , because commercial values ( players popularity on social media almost guarantee shirts and merchandises sales) were always the deciding factor in recruiting players. The transfers at United were always as follow:
Out of 2 players acquired, one would suit the manager style and the other one would suit the commercial side. The commercial player would always get substantial contract length and crazy salaries, whether they perform well or not, and they had a tendency to act in a petulant manner towards the manager since they know their importance in the eyes of the board and usually got the managers sacked ( i won't name names, we all know them very well).
Glazer disease
Spending is not the issue… Main problem is their reluctance to sell underperforming players. Keeping them in the squad is massively unhelpful as they are not only filling a spot that could otherwise be used by another player but also they’re unhappy and spread discontent
Spending IS the issue.
They can't sell players because they've spent stupid money on them and continue to pay stupid wages still. No other clubs would match those numbers.
It's not the reluctance, their inflated Salaries are off-putting to mid-table clubs
well if you paid a maasive dump on that subpar player, are you going to sell them that easily? Their mistake major was buying that player
Spending is an issue, you can't get away from the sheer wasted amounts of money. However you are right, United are meant to be an elite team. The inability to sell the likes of Maguire, Mctominay, Fred, Lingard, Jones, Martial sooner has been a real downfall. These players are nowhere near elite and should not have been at the club for so long.
Yes you’re right , their spending is poor and the contracts they give are terrible as you say because nobody can then take the players so they instantly lose value. But the club needs to just accept that, get rid and move on
modern game is ALL about midfield, and how they play in the system, how they complement each other and their skillsets. You can look at downfalls of teams and link them to downfalls of their midfields either thru transfers, age or injuries, Real kept winning UCL's with their midfield, once Barca lost Xavi and Iniesta, there were holes everywhere, Liverpool has been at it's best during Rafa's years and Klopps years with strong midfields but regressed when their midfields did, AC milan fell once their midfield turned into shambles, Arsenal was at their top with top midfield and had a slow decline along with their midfield, you can paper over the cracks and hide how bad things are with incredible striking forces or crazy years by strikers, Luis Suarez almost title winning year, him and Sturridge terrorized teams, Wegner and Arsenal got their 4th place trophy with prolific scoring with Henry and then Robin Van Persie and other scorers to support them, Alex Ferguson papered over the cracks with forward lines that included Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez, with Carrick being a hub and some good midfielders around him. Arsenal finally got the midfield right and it returned to top 4, spurs cracked top 4 when they had good midfields.
good point!!
The irony is Man United have been linked with tons of top CMs over the years (Kroos, Fabregas, De Jong, Thiago. etc)
They thought they solved this issue with the signing of Pogba, but their scouting team _REALLY_ should've realized his brilliance at Juve/France was due to being given more freedom since he had the security of Marchisio/Vidal/Kante to cover for him.
Casemiro/Eriksen would've solved their problems, if they were both signed in 2018 and not now when they are on the wrong side of 30.
@@stevendchu True points. People keep blaming Jose for signing Pogba when its quite obvious he doesn't want just a profile of player.
Matuidi and Kante do the work of 4 players, it is why France won the world cup.
Juventus had a 4 man midfield and even a defensive forward like Tevez to help out the midfield
@@Timbone07Yep in 2015 Juve was scary and it should have been a disaster when the next year Pirlo retired and Pogba was sold, but they found good replacements and in 2017 they were right back in the Champions League final. Then they didn't found good replacements (mostly because Marotta left) and Juve was and still is struggling
@Timbone07 I mean Jose never wanted Pogba, but the board really wanted him. And he didnt want Fred, but again, board wanted him and he was afraid that he wasnt gonna get anyone else if he didnt get Fred. That was also Uniteds only signing that window and they were struggling and Jose was fired.
Pogbas biggest problem was his work rate and maturity imo. Not anything skill wise. He simply didnt contribute much defensively even though he had the perfect size for it. He didnt seem to care much after losing. And thats the type of player that never works with Mourinho.
Neville: "The owners don't spend any money"
One thing that is so important is recruitment and the motto of the culture within a club. At city the hierarchy needed almost 10yrs to set the foundation and finally had Pep as the final piece to their puzzle. For every Ruben Dias there was a Mangala but the City hierarchy had a long-term vision and style of football culture that was gonna define city, mainly also because most of them were already with Pep during the prime Barca era as well. But now City has a great youth academy that runs through to the first team where all coaches are being made to play a certain way so when they reach the first team, they are already programmed to fit inside the system. Just take Rico as an example. So yea, investment and money for sure but it needs to gel well with the culture and vision of the club
What city did was not something new tbh. barca did it, ajax did it, milan did it. It just in Man Utd they pretend to not see it because of expectation that become burden. Second Man Utd only have one way since Ferguson came and left and it was Ferguson way, because that's how old football club did.
It didn't take 10 years for City. They won the facup in 2011(3 years) PL 2012, PL and league cup 2014.
The minute they bought Pogba for the hashtags on the advertising hoardings, the minute you know they’re not buying people for a team. They’re buying for brand recognition.
Remember when Mourinho was sack because of Paul Pogba because the club wanted to protect him and left the club one season later to join Juventus 💩🤦♂😂
He left 3 years later lol
For FREE!!! 🤣🤣🤣
So the results had nothing to do with him being fired? Did Spurs also fire him because of Pogba?
@@pumelelabanca1442spurs sacked him because levy didnt want a trophy, he wanted top 4 with a poor squad. United sacked him for pogba
@@pumelelabanca1442spurs fired him because they didn't want to pay extra for winning the trophy.
If you look at Sir Alex Ferguson's first five seasons at the club, finishing 11th, 2nd, 12th, and 13th, 6th, you can be pretty sure he would have been sacked if he had been subjected to similar requirements such as van Gaal faced. The problem with Man Utd is the fixation to their previous success and the lack of understanding how to start anew in rebuilding the club culture based on the vision of the manager and the board. And if the board lacks vision, then they just need to trust the people whom they hire.
Ferguson would not have been under the same pressure, United of the 80s were not the same beast as we saw between 1992 -2013. United had not been champions for 26 years until 1993, how we see United today is not how they were seen when Ferguson took over, he was so good that he has created almost all of their domestic legacy and all of their elite European legacy. United seem to be living through the era Liverpool lived through after the 1980s where Liverpool came out of a prolonged period of great success and had to rebuild, lost their identity and it is seeming like United are going to need the same period of time as Liverpool needed to recover.
I as an Arsenal fan have never been fearful of any ManU signing in this last decade apart from Di Maria, Pogba and Mata( 2 of these flopped pretty bad). This wasn't the case under SAF. I feel if SAF was still running things, Harry Kane would have been a Red 4 years ago. He would have pushed for likes of Stones and Declan Rice too( young English talents who are leaders). Man U's success was dependent on buying best English talents from upper midtable teams conveniently weakening them.
Biggest knock on Man Utd is they are seen as the graveyard of young talents now. So many player's promising careers gone awry at Old Trafford.
That's good.
Makes it easier to beat you.
@@NostalgiNorden What? Like last week?😂
You mean the likes of pepe, lokonga, muni Tavares, Marquinhos didn’t go to waste at your club
@@krish4246 Pepe has more G/A per 90 than Sancho and Antony combined. Marquinhos cost £3m and is one for the future. How much did Antony cost again?
@@NostalgiNordenhave some shame, at least Arsenal were in a title race last season. When was the last time we genuinely had a legitimate chance of winning the league?
The problem is that United threw money on high profile signings, many of whom did not fit what United needed. They also failed to invest in player development, meaning that players were not made even better than they were or adjusted to fit the team.
the lack of long term vision for the club at board level has been a huge problem at all levels of the club, the players, the coaches, the stadium, et al. the Glazers don't look at the long term, just short term profit which for them means Champions League qualification and little else besides. a well run club would invest in the stadium, give more chance to young players, be consistent with the kind of managers and coaches it appoints and far less reactionary and cavalier in the transfer market, we've spent all that money for little return because there's never been a strategy to bring success, just the constant revolving door of players and staff to sate the Glazers bank balance by keeping us in the champions league. sadly I can't see any of this changing whilst they remain in control.
We are still paying for Ed Woodward / Glazer Bimbros mistakes in heaving out massive wages that make our players un-sellable.
Yeah, I'm sorry to say it, but the easiest way for you to get rid of some players is literally them going to jail
they are literally in jail. A few@@ameliabaroni2650
Would love a deep dive into United substandard facilities, I went on your there recently and it’s genuinely appalling how far behind they are
As a neutral premier league watcher, I believe Solskjaer could've had better results had he been trusted more and had better transfers. He took one of the weakest United sides in the 19-20 season to a respectable 3rd place against a very strong Liverpool and city teams. His caretaker period was also quite impressive with over 14 games undefeated with a bunch of underperforming players.
😂😂😂 yeah good job you’re not a board member pal
If you think Solskjaer is the right man to take united forward despite being a mediocre coach, then you must be a madman.
@@stevaughan3374glad you aint too.
In the last chart you can see united spend less than city and Chelsea and slightly more than juve and barca. But the issue is sales, 2nd lowest in the list. United sign players based on the recommendation of manager and once they leave the value of those players plummet, also we dont sell players quickly enough. We sell once it's clear for everyone the player has failed.
Moyes is a great manager, but man utd was the wrong club for him at the time, he's better suited at building up a midtable team and making them competitive, like he's doing with us and did at everton
That was the highest spend in the last decade. Until Chelsea spent nearly the same amount in under 2 years. And finished 12th. Thats real epic failure.
And just lost to forrest at home
United still has the highest net spend
@@trephix no worries. the london cowboy will catch up shortly.
Chelsea won the CL in 2021, United has been nowhere close since 2011
Atleast chelsea got players to sell
This is only half the story. There’s also the contract renewals and exorbitant wages given to players that makes it impossible to get rid of them.
Ah the pick me up we all needed, thanks guys.
The haphazard nature of the strategy is the failure. We have had and wasted some huge talents trying to retrofit players into a different Manager's objectives. The Board support a manager 60% and then it all falls apart... The concern here is seeing this repeated this last summer gone.
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Van Gaal was the most destructive in the recruitment department for me. Got rid of players such as Rafael, Welbeck, Evans, RVP etc. Who even if they weren't at their best at that stage still understood what the club was about and weren't replaced by anything better.
Players such as Rojo, Darmian, Di Maria, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay, Falcão had no business signing for us for various reasons.
I initially disagreed with you but its clear that grassroots talent was a defining value of man utd and the fact it has disappeared is telling.
I agree. And his Dutch youth talent spots turned out to be awful as well. LVG isn't a bad coach in many ways but he was disastrous at Utd. If we had given the job to Mourinho we may have won a league back then but instead we headed on a path to ruin.
Meulensteen just admitted that Fergie wasn't interested in RVP when it was first proposed to sign him. Thought he was too old and injury prone. LVG kept him for one season before he basically went into retirement. I hardly think the club is in such a mess today because LVG let RVP go to Turkey for around £3 million. And Rafael, Welbeck and Evans would not have turned Utd into a title winning machine to beat the likes of LFC and City and Real Madrid for the major trophies.
Dont forget he sold Chicharito too. I remember Mourinho commenting on how he wish LVG hadn't sold a lot of those players
@@Jimbobiscuit great point
Van Gaal made some good signings… most of those guys were promising at that point but I guess something happened within the club
That spin on "long term transfer strategy" search is hilarious, and somewhat on point 🤣
do you guys happen to have information whether the people in charge of recruitment/scouting had changed or the method had changed? it seems like that other clubs (not only big clubs) manage to find excellent young players from other leagues
Cursed Moyes thumbnail will haunt my dreams
Used to be a time when us Arsenal fans used to be very envious of Sir Alex Ferguson's transfers for Manchester United. Tevez,Vidic, Evra, Berbatov, Anderson, Van De Saar all were good signings despite him spending a considerable amount of money. As a rival you knew these players would work for the club and help them win trophies. Nowadays their big money transfers are laughable. Nobody ever looked at Antony and Sancho and went "you know what these are players that are going to win the league for United". Every big money signing post SAF has been a flop at the club.
The cycle is this: Hire a manager. Let him spend 100-200m on players that would suit the style of play. Get rid of the last managers team. Lose a few games, fire the manager. Hire a manager. Let him spend 100-200m on players that would suit the style of play. Get rid of the last managers team. Lose a few games, fire the manager. Hire a manager.
You can not overestate just how bad the Alexis Sanchez transfer was. Dude barely played, complained constantly on social media and broke the wage structure of the team. Not to mention he was let go for free.
Pogba. Representation of all things wrong at United
The guys is a disgrace!
He owns United right?
As a United fan who grew only knew the SAF sides, the last decade has been painful. SAF was a one off - he was a manager and a DOF rolled into one. He worked closely with Kenyon and Gill to have side after side rebuilt. We cannot have that anymore - they don't make them like him.
1. We need a director of football who is a football man, not a money man. We don't need a commitee, we need an experienced head to run things. Someone who is responsible for thinking about where the team will be in 10 years time, not 10 days time, not 10 months time.
2. This person can then shape the managers we sign. Moyes, LVG, Mourinho, Ole and now ETH are all very different to each other. The playing style have been different, the squad has always been adapting and the signings sometimes were unsuitable for the new managers style.
3. Disneyland - There has been too much emphasis on the names and not the players. We've signed Pogba, Matic, Schweinsteiger, Ronaldo, Lukaku, Sanchez, Cavani, Ibrahimovic even because the name was box office, not because they were what was needed. Pogba and Lukaku could be argued were the right sort of signing as they were young and top players, but no thought was given to how they were going to fit in or if we were going to build around them - they were just dropped in. The older guys, some of them were successful, others not - but we should have been signing a decent second striker, not aging strikers and random loanees.
With everything you said, except Pogba and Lukaku. Lukaku can not be argued, Pogba I would have gladly taken, but NEVER for that price tag, I would have told Juve were to shove it.
Being a united fan in the 90s meant you were on the bandwagon, being a fan now feels more authentic lol
Mourinho will be the best united since Ferguson for a long time it seems
How? He was an utter failure at man united he finished 6th in his first season, got knocked out of the champions league by Sevilla, terrible
@@tevildo45 won trophies, lost the league to 100 point man city which is far more than anyone else did
Finished second by 20points even ole did better than that
Mourinho is literally the worst thing to happen to the club since Fergie lmao. Managing to have a worse effect than Moyes is remarkable, but he did it.
@@tevildo45 nobody would finish above that city team
One big part that is omitted in our failures is the fans! Fans tend to be very impatient and unrealistic. At this point we aren't the best team in England by a stretch, we need a manager to be given time to build his squad and not be ostracized at any mistake, but the toxic fan culture does not permit that, evident by fans already calling for Ten Hag's head after 4 games, I mean 4 games into the season. Then when he is sacked we restart from square one and the vicious cycle repeats. We have to accept we aren't in the Fergie era, (and even Fergie will have found it challenging to win the league with this Pep team), let's keep that in mind rally behind someone with a process we can trust and move with him. Let's take the example of Liverpool. If Kloop was at United the fans will have called for his head after his first season where he finished 8th. It took him 4 yrs to win a trophy and look not he's won it all. Even as it pains to say Liverpool's fans got it right and trusted the process, why can we do same? Isn't that what we're supposed to be "supporters"
you can add garry nev ,roy keane ,paul scholes and rio to the media hype problems ..banging on about how utd should be fighting for every comp after heavy defeats or poor performances ...it got boring and deluded/pathetic after 5 years of obviously not being good enough and still being peddled out till this day..how Ferguson squeezed out the last two (nearly 3) titles only added to the delusion of putting out average teams and expecting the success to continue while the squad eventually rotted away along with manchester's aura
They have had a lack of football men or directors at the club for a bulk of signings since SAF retired. United essentially had a bank manager (Woodward) making the signings for the last decade. You could argue Ten Hag has turned that tide with the signings he has made, their current slide I feel is due to off field antics and situations. 2 players with clouds over them, 1 who won't leave and another who came out to criticise publicly. Until the club get's a refresh from top to bottom, it won't get back any glory.
this is true! there isn't a long term strategy, the owner of brighton actually said they sign not on the basis of the coach at that time but how a player fits for the club regardless of the coach at that time. and the selling of d james was poor
As an Arsenal fan, I love how Man U are floundering now. It’s great
Focus on your own struggles, approaching £1B spent on Arteta eventually and all you have to show for it is 1 FA Cup and a Champions League appearance? That's worse than United 😂
a video about the massive squad turnaround of Barca would be cool, there are like 5 or 6 players left from when Xavi took over, the squad looks better overall and that was achieved while having like 15M net spend over that period
Those were some pretty good signings. Lisandro and Casemiro are some of the best. Ander Herrera and Zlatan were great too. What I want to know is where is all the great Academy talent we always hear about? Thats what is needed to supliment the squad. One stud graduate every 6 years is not enough. Maybe our academy is not nearly as good as it used to be
"In the past decade Manu have spent £1.3 billion in the transfer market"
Todd Boehly spent that on breakfast.
That’s net spend for man united, highest net spenders in global football in the last 10 years
I don't want to hear the Glazers don't spend enough money when your team just behind CIty in spending.
Man United are the highest net spenders in world football over the last 10 years
they're spending club money and not their own like you'd expect from an owner.
there was no prior investment before fergie retired. theyve been here since 2005 not the past few years. look at the recruitment that city, madrid, and even barca before Bartomeu, all planned and strategic while united havent..
United sold ronaldo and instead of getting ribery,aguero,silva, or benzema they got michael owen, obertan, and valencia.. this is not strategic or a long term investment like city during that time
Breaking news: The club which made the most profit for 15 yrs spends money
Chelsea spent that over the last two years... Waiting for Tifo video on that in a few years
They've already uploaded multiple videos about them. Go check them out.
Stop deflecting from this abomination of failure.
We clearly would have had a long term strategy had we stuck to a coach for 5-7 years like Liverpool and Pep had done whilst they built teams capable of winning and challenging seriously for the EC and the PL. Hopefully Erik can be that man and the Takeover will go through soon enough to allow him to build the full squad he needs rather than just plugging gaps or dealing with injuries with loan signings.
It's only been 4 games and Spurs and Arsenal away were hardly 'easy' games and the performances were not terrible and with a bit more luck it would have been 2 decent away draws.
I'm not gonna panic yet but Brighton will be a test next game with a few injuries and they will have to step it up and show that last season's progress wasn't a one off.
Our tracking team is not smart enough to evaluate and select which players we should buy. Heavy price on players who do not perform.
Is Shaw the only player who has been consistently good?
I am really surprised how long Martial has been at Man Utd - and how is still only 27. He's like a 💩that won't flush
are you being serious? shaw was one of our worst players for a while and still is.. especially during mourinho.. look out tho a new Call of duty game is coming and hes looking to get injured to play
Atleast there is Chelsea to cover up Man United blunders lmao
Factos
have u forgotten Chelsea have actually won many trophies in the last 10 years? their clownshow started very recently after Todd Bohely's acquisition.
At least it hasn’t been that long since the last time we’ve won major trophies
Tifo thumbnail artist really gave Moyes that Emperor Palpatine look 😂
You need to update your net spend for the teams you listed as they are not up to date.
Even Pep couldn't fix United
Because the problem is the people above the manager, including the owners
@@G.Singh7 if Gaddafi Bought United in 2003 then United would have not been into this horrible mess
Well, what do you expect?
Man City owners are s
So smart and cunning that they managed to earn twice the amount United eanred despite having half the number of fans while the Glazers are running the club like headless chickens.
Both owners are crooked but at least City's owners are smart about it.
@@G.Singh7Ferguson , in glazer era. But still winning trophy .
@@hugoumero9723where would United be after he was assassinated?
Can't all be these managers fault, some of the players are rotten and the Glazers are evil
Impossible to have a long term strategy when each new manager is completely different in style. Can't imagine that changing while the current owners are in place
I've always thought the issue was that they look at potential jersey sales and basically nothing else.
Almost all of these transfers made sense at the time, it just seems like almost eveyone who joins us goes backwards, that has to be a coaching issue
Exactly. It is easy to blame the transfers and Glazers for everything. Low hanging fruit.
The majority of United fans were happy when we signed most of these players and now most pretend that they didn't want them in the first place.
@@stretfordendred if anything that means you can blame the glazers more because they aren't hiring the correct people behind the scenes, they aren't running it like a football club and don't hire football people
@@ashleyw6728 You just said all of the transfers made sense, which I agreed with.
People blame the glazers for the transfers not working out but, if we agree that they were the correct signings, they can't be blamed for that.
@@stretfordendred but I'm saying the signings don't work because of how the club is run, I'm saying that no matter who we sign it won't work, the glazers haven't signed the correct people behind the scenes to help the players we sign to further develope
@@stretfordendred The Glazers are the ones who hire the coaches and hire the staff, creating the organization that utilizes players below expectation which then causes a decline in their career projections (luckily for Memphis Depay, he turned it around after leaving). The club perform below what's expected and then leave for far less than they were signed for, making them wasted signings. This cycle keeps happening since SAF retired.
The Glazers are to blame because an organization is run from the top-down
And the blame for this disaster resides squarely on the shoulders of...THE GLAZERS.
But they spend like its going out of fashion.
The problem has always been United fans demand big name signings season after season. They aren’t interested in building players they have to make a big money signing. And that can’t work as transfer policy
Amazing video, thanks for sharing!
I'm completely baffled by how you failed to mention the Glazers in this video.
Glazers as owners -> Not appointing the best in class in executive positions -> Failure to ensure long term strategic thinking.
The signing have been manager-centric because the people at the top of the club are unable to run a world class football club. So the managers are asked to succeed despite of the club.
Fergie is singlehandedly the reason for our demise
Appointing Moyes as his successor
Wasn't moyes' fault. 😂
@@talk844Fergie is to be blamed too. He left a squad that had midfielders and defenders who were past their prime and were heading to twilight of their careers.
Even if Moyes was appointed, the worst thing that he actually did was dismiss Sir Alex's entire coaching staff and instate his own staff which didn't work. Sir Alex's staff knew traits of all players and could have helped to progress the club.
If you look at Barcelona, Tito Vilanova was assistant to Pep. Later when Pep left Barcelona, Tito did the job very well to win La Liga in his only season as full time manager, which also showed how much a success manager's coaching staff can play a role too.
Oh... we have to find someone else to blame then. Maybe the management 😅
The top management, i mean.
To top it all off
He didnt leave a distinct philosophy and culture in how united played football on the pitch...unlike Guardiola at barcelona
He only left us with 13 prems and fergie time
Great video but I think you missed the opportunity to emphasise the sacking of Ralf Ragnik. It’s the whole reason we still have no coherent transfer strategy till this day. He called out the board and challenged the club saying that we need “open heart surgery” and what did he get for it? A sacking. Now some of his recommendations like Julian Alavarez is flying at City whilst we still need a back up striker to Rasmus. And that’s only part of our problems.
Great video. Loving this football content! Keep it up.
That Arsenal game got the world clowning us smh
Nahhh bro, 7-0 last season, Coming out 6th with Ronaldo the season before, losing a Europa league final to Villarreal... You lads have been clowns since 2014
@@rodneymoonga7993Also the handling of Greenwood's case
@@rodneymoonga7993 nahh, arsenal bottling the league is more clown tbh.
think it's more about united's delusional entitlement to success despite being a banter club for 10 years
@@abdhafizzz I think spending 105 mil on Pogba to let him go for free is just as bad tbh..
Man United of the 2020s are the Liverpool of the 2000s. A famous club slaved by American owners, with fans living off past glories and overhyped players that don’t deliver.
Liverpool did win the Champions League in 2005 tho and United also won it in 2008
Liverpool can't spend like united
@@SantomPhUnited in the 2000s spent A LOT too. Broke transfer record 6 times under SAF.
Also the 2005 final was the result of god/magic, not money 😂
Some good players on paper coming in over the time like Pogba, Fernandes, Martial but a lot just never pushed on and then the fees for some of the players like Fred, Martial, Sancho we’re shocking
It’s ironic how solskjaer gets the most criticism when his period represented the most stable league form whilst maintaining competitive level of football, prior to 21/22.
Pogba's signing really sums up Utd's post-Fergie strategy and mindset. Fergie specifically slipped Pogba out of Utd because his ego was too big. When Fergie left, the lack of ego stopped being a prerequisite for a Manchester United player, and they REsigned a player that the greatest manager possibly in the history of the sport had moved on. Pogba has done absolutely nothing to prove Fergie wrong since then.
These last 10 years are all Ik as a United fan. I can't even desribe to you how painful it is. I've become numb
Sincere question: Why is there an inconsistency in currency used? You mentioned at the beginning that United has spent £1.32 B since Sir Alex retired, but you're listing the transfer fees in euros. It's just something I've noticed and can't get out of my head. Also, Glazers Out.
Euros is annoying, especially for a British team.
Some of these fees are inflated as well taking into bonuses. (I can assure you Martial has missed most of those bonuses 😂)
They just read out players bought under specific managers and closed it. Didnt add any value beyond that
Remarkable how much of a difference a manager can make
Tifo back with their weekly Manchester United video
Enjoyed that mate good video
A footballing strategy does not come from the owner, it comes from the Manager. Of course the owner, really the Board of Directors, are there to fire the manager when he doesn't produce. It would help if the manager was given time to establish his style within the team, these days a season and a half is about the limit of a Boards attention span. When I looked at the montage of players bought in the last decade it seems incredible that no one was able to fashion a really top class team out of them. Mind you, the montage of managers was equally perplexing.
Thumbnail got Moyes looking like prime Emperor Palpatine, great video though
Irritatingly accurate and highlights the fact that the ownership group has no idea on how to run the club.
I guess the reason why managers haven't been given enough time is because if they did, Man Utd would then be seen as modelling themselves off their biggest rivals Liverpool, who kept their manager around for 3 and a half years before he finally won his first major trophy with the club, and would then go on to win 3 more within the next 3 years.
Well when Alex Ferguson was FIRST appointed in 1986, it ALSO took him 3 and a half years before his first trophy with the club.
Since Alex Ferguson's retirement, no manager has been given more than 3 years at the club. And yet 3 of them had already won at least one major trophy before walking out the door.
Should have been mentioned that although United finished 2nd in 2017/18, that was City's centurion season. United was 19 points behind City at season's end.
I think 1 of the suitable terms for MU is 'fail to move on'...they're so caught up in the past when they were great, but when SAF resign they're refuse to realize it, realize that an era was end & new era is emerge
Even until now their mindset-especially those legends who have been undar SAF - still don't & won't move on, which bring more pressures to the current squad & staff. If comparing w/ a bit same situation in for example Arsenal, the club & the elements around it quicker to realize this tendention. When Emery in charge, they don't give him so much burden to him & the squad. That's why by now, just at the second manager in Arteta (not includes Ljungberg), Arsenal start to gain momentum & moreover identity. We're agre that no one ever bigger than the club, but it's undeniable that the manager contribute so much identity to the team. Arsenal bravery to deliberately choose Arteta as a manager is starting to get paid. As he stated: 'trust the process' is really true. This was the point MU failed & found them self wasting many years in rebuild
This video is a clear demonstration of “how” you spend money is the most important factor for success , not just in football, but also life in general
so many fans call for the head of the manager but nobody calls for the lack of substantial work done in their scouting department. united needs a revamp from the inside
My compliments to the Tifo sketch artist.
The glaring absence of any mention of Ed Woodward or the Glazers is problematic for me on this video. Its sad to see so many bad players brought in, and other good players who were sent away.
Managers and Players are the issue, it's the management issue which will not change until top order leaves which will not happen.
I think CFC & MCFC have brought in more money than is shown in that table. Transfermarkt is a bit inconsistent on academy sales
crazy just how quickly the market has been inflated.
im sitting here looking at these deals and thinking some of these are insane bargains. then i remember, they are not in 2023
Best part about the Man U mess (I’m a LFC fan) is that every month your manager nearly gets sacked. You had one of the top 3 managers in the world in charge, and won the UEL. Didn’t get backed much but did that.
LFC looked at that and stuck with Klopp, and look what happened