I work a lot with these forza lights as they are very affrodable to rent. Would love to see more lighting setups using them doing different scenes, indoors, outdoors, night, evening, day, morning and etc. This video was great! Thank you
Yep, really like this type of lighting setup videos. The light specs are good to know, especially the data not published by the manufactory. But IMO the actual usage and effects of the lights make the real difference, and provides more tangible guidance. If the video can include your camera settings (ISO, shutter speed and f stop), it would be even better. Looking for forward to more videos like this one.
@@zhenyucai You are right in that when it comes down to it, you can create amazing imagery with super cheap, or super expensive lights if you use them right!
Love your first sentence JT. We would love to show us the setup of lights, and how to use them. How to get the cinematic look on a budget. Getting cinema look is not a big deal. Everyone can do it with a lot of money and a lot of experts. The challenge is to be able to do it with cheapest lights possible. And even without any professional light at all if possible. Keep up the good work! God bless you!
I debated whether to put that in since people on CZcams really like to get into things ASAP, but I decided that it was important enough to put up front. I'm glad it was helpful for you :)
Very helpful to see a lighting setup like this. It not only is educational but shows your experience as a gaffer beyond making a nice CZcams setup. In this video we can see the experience and knowledge you apply to your light reviews and other videos.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad it was helpful. I like making these because when I look back at them I see what I want to do differently too, then I can make a new video with those ideas and share that!
Yes! Please do more videos like this. I am purchasing the Amaran 100d as my first "real" light. I'm also purchasing the Fresnel 2x. If you could do a lighting setup with that it'd be so cool!
That’s exciting! I’m glad you liked this video. I don’t currently have an Amaran, but I will do some with other Aputure lights, and any setup I do can be recreated with a more budget friendly COB!
Oh dude "In reality sometimes it can take an entire day..." I'll often feel like I'm wasting time playing around with lights, but once you get the look you're after you really feel proud. Plus then you get a new "starting" block to go from next time when trying to achieve the same or similar look. Really enjoyed this video and the breakdown of why you put lights in different areas, as well as covering your in-camera white balance setting used.
200% definitely! It can be really discouraging spending an hour on lighting and then the test shots look like crap, but when you finally get things looking good, you'll never forget that setup (even down to the brightness settings sometimes) BECAUSE it took so much work to create. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Thanks, glad you liked it. I’m getting the Moment Cineblooms when they’re back in stock so it’ll be interesting to compare the two. I definitely have more videos like this coming ASAP.
Beautiful lighting, beautiful video, beautiful music...thanks. Not a videographer, but hey, I can appreciate the effort required to put it all together.
This was great 👍 Thank you. I would like to see more lighting set up videos. Especially people in their home environment. I can’t afford a lot of lighting and your information really helps me work creatively with what I have 🙂
Awesome, I want to see lighting tutorial by using 12 sachlter or redhead lamps , you light two persons interviewee and host , with three cameras one for interviewee , one for the host , third is long shot , the challenge how you can tweak these lamps to get from it what you want
Thanks, glad you liked it! That's a tall order for a lighting setup, haha. I was thinking of doing some kind of interview type setup though, so maybe covering both interviewer and interviewee would be good.
This was great, please make more of these videos! Here's what I would like to see: most lighting setup videos like this are usually about lighting close up shots or medium shots. These get pretty standard, with your key light and backlight and background light, and it's relatively easy to place and hide the lights since you are shooting a close-up. What I would like to see is how to light a wide shot with several people in it that are moving, and with more camera movement, to me that's more challenging. Say, lighting for a wide indoor shot where the camera has to move from one room to another, or lighting for a dance video.
Thanks for the feedback! I am excited to make more of these. All good ideas, although might be hard for me to pull of personally since I am a one man crew 99% of the time. Something more creative and challenging sounds fun though for sure.
Thanks man! Your videos are part of what inspires me to shoot "real" scenes, so thanks for what you do too! And thanks for kicking me in the butt enough to get the pro mist finally ;)
Thank you! And the times you get it right on the first try are much fewer than not, as I'm sure you know. Although when that happens, it feels so good, haha.
Thanks! I think everything in this video was shot in SLog3 and I use the official Sony SLog3 to Rec709 LUT, so nothing special. Although, I recently started using S-Cinetone and like it way more. I only use SLog3 when it's a very high dynamic range scene so I can manually tweak the highlights and shadows if necessary.
@@NewLayer I just bought the forza 720b and the 200, in addition to the godox ul150 I bought through you like a year ago. Would love to see more of these actually. I think it matter more than the camera
Awesome video!! You’ve now inspired me to do more lighting setups at home. It’s also cool to see the tiny 60b with that huge softbox. (Side note- when I clicked on the Litolite link it took me to the pavotube 6c)
I'm glad it inspired you. And the softbox was kind of sketchy, but I had it tipped down so much the vertical post of the light stand helped hold it a bit, haha. And I fixed the link! Thanks for the help geni.us/nanlitelitolite5c
Nice breakdown. Personally, I wouldn't call your final look "moody." You kinda killed the moody moodness 😉with that keylight at 100%. Had the rim light been left the brightest, with your "key" really just being a fairly subtle hint of incandescent warmth, the scene would have looked much more dramatic.
I honestly can't argue with you there, because as I got closer to finishing, my favorite shot was just the window light + the backlight. Technically though, anything is moody, even "super bright and happy" is a mood so... LOL. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NewLayer I feel ya. "Proper" exposure gets drilled into our heads, making us too worried about underexposing. It's easy to light the drama right out of a scene.
@@Humcrush Very, very true. Part of it was using the new A7S III in SLog3 + a new monitor, so I wasn't used to either quite yet. I do agree though it could've been moodier :)
Thanks for commenting and letting me know! The feedback has been great so far, and these lighting setups are fun to do, so I'd love to start shifting towards more of these :)
Thanks for the reply ....Bicolor models of aputure and nanlite you may lecture on skin texture that's the one which makes someone to look at the product ....to me intense is almost same but skin texture somewhat letdown in many led what I have seen in budget models
You are right. What makes it extra hard is that 1) Some budget lights are actually technically better than high end lights, BUT 2) Technical measurements don't always line up with what looks best. If you want to check it out, I made a light comparison tool where you can at least compare the tech specs from many different lights: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare I hope that helps for now :)
@@NewLayer my gGod You're so far away. Why are you not in Germany? If I ever were in California, would you like to shoot a short film 🎥 with me? Can I borrow 2 dsys pf your life for a film--project?
Thanks, I have more coming! I shot this as a very high ISO because I was trying some things with S-LOG3, which is probably why you see those artifacts. I exported in h.264 30mbps.
This is super helpful! Thanks for such a detailed setup guide! Man... I wish I could use lights. I generally shoot fitness indoors and I'm advised to not use any lights in order to not annoy customers. I literally have to brute force my work with pure dynamic range, usually shooting 3-4 stops underexposed to preserve highlights. Maybe I should get the Forza 60 and show my boss how small the lights can get...
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you liked it so much. That would be pretty frustrating for sure. Would you get in trouble for reflectors? You could at least get a couple stops of fill light back if those weren't banned. Where you get super fed up with your boss, just do a full fledged lighting setup, that way if you get fired you won't care, haha.
@@NewLayer Reflectors are ok, but I'm trying to come up with a hands free solution. I guess those reflector holders mounted on a lightstand could work, but I work solo, so 2 lightstands, 2 tripods and 1 gimbal is already quite tough to carry. I kinda wish there was a way to attach long tall collapsable reflectors into something like a V-flat board. Maybe I'll try gaff tape.
@@professionalpotato4764 Would the v-flats I used in this video not work as reflectors for you? I feel your pain, working solo definitely creates some limitations.
@@NewLayer They would work if I had someone assisting and if I didn't need to travel between locations. But if I had to get onto public transport with all my gear, it gets kinda tough. I don't have a car either, it's too expensive where I live to own a car.
I believe you just recently started using the mist filters on your YT vids. I actually liked it a bit before. Just personal Opinion. Now it all kind of looks like it lacks contrast,almost more matte.
I change something or try something new with almost every video, so you'll see different looks all the time. Can't do the same thing or I'll get bored :)
Definitely! You wouldn't even need a Fresnel. A Forza 60 with the stock reflector would work great. I had the Forza 200 set to just 7%, so you could use a Forza 60 at like 15% and get the exact same effect. I was just using what I have on hand, which is 1 of each light.
That would work just as well. The 60B provided plenty of light for this, if anything I would drop the warm light by a stop if I were to shoot it again so it’s not so high key.
Yes, this was shot on the a7S III at 1/50 second and f/2.8 for everything. The ISO was around 6400 give or take 1/3-2/3 of a stop for different shots. It was shot in SLog3, so keep that in mind, because that's the equivalent to shooting at ISO 800 in a non-log/regular mode. I also shot it at 4K/60, but only 200 bitrate, so not as high quality as I could have. I'm a real stickler when it comes to hard drive space, lol.
Nice! Do you think the Forza 60B is bright enough as a key light for talking head setups? Without the fan getting too loud? Or do you recommend the Forza 60 instead? I just like the bicolor flexibility. Also will be great to hear your verdict between the Forza 60 and Godox ML60 and which you’d recommend.
My ML60 video comes out tomorrow or Friday, and has a ton of Forza comparisons :) For a key light, I’d probably go with the Forza 60. The 60B would struggle in brighter scenarios. It only worked well here because it was pitch black.
@@NewLayer thanks for the feedback. Nice timing lol looking forward to the ML60 review! I hope you got a hold of the AD-S65 or AD-S85 for the review too.
@@dwmspace Not those I'm afraid, but I do has the AD-S60S, which is a 24" octabox with multiple diffusion layers + grid. I tried to make it as in-depth as I could, so I hope it helps :)
Why is that the forza 60 rim light has a white color while the forza 200 has a bluish color? I thought they should have the same color, unless the forza 60 is gelled?
They may be a couple hundred Kelvin off from each other since lights can change color at different brightness. Believe it or not, shooting through a glass window can change the color as well. The hair light is brighter, so will appear less saturated too, and finally, the wall isn't completely white, so it picks up some color from that. Hope that helps!
Thanks for a very good and inspiring video. If I have to choose between Forza 60 or 60B. Which one will you recommend me to buy. And if I want to buy 2 lights? Two of the 60B? What do you think? Or is there maybe a new light you think is better than Forza 60/60B for the price? Can the fan noise be a problem when doing intervju?
Thanks, glad you liked it! I still really love the Forza lights. The only downside is that they are not a native Bowens mount, but they do have a decent Bowens mount adapter if you want to use something bigger than the 24" native softbox. I used the 60 as a talking head light in the 24" softbox, and had it only at 35%. In a controlled environment, you should be able to use the 60B for talking head/interviews, but you may need to use it at a higher power. If you're getting two I suggest to get one 60 and one 60B, so you have more brightness when needed. geni.us/nanliteforza60 geni.us/nanliteforza60b
@@NewLayer Thank you for a quick and fast answer. Nice to know because then I will probably buy a 60 first. It is also nice to know about the adapter because I already have two soft boxes for my Elinchrom D-Lite, and it could be nice to maybe use them on Nanlite if possible.
@@FlyfisherFilm Happy to help. I would assume the Elinchrom D-Lite uses Elinchrom-style adapters, rather than Bowens mount. There are adapters for that as well, but I'd try to stay away from double adapting if at all possible. Good luck! Let me know how you like the light when you buy it :)
@@NewLayer Yes probably. I think so too. Better to have what itś made for the light then mixing it up. I will do and thanks for all the help and good videos :)
It totally depends on how big your modifier is, how far the light is placed, and what ISO you usually shoot at. You could do mid or mid close ups with a 24-36” softbox if you’re at 1/250 second, ISO 800, and f/2.8, but anything further and I would suggest a higher power light.
I only have flash lights, but i want to order a few video lights to use for my client shoots. I was considering a 120d II but its so damn expensive. I saw your other video on the Forza 60, but would love to get recommended if you have any advice for key lights / hair lights in small areas. Thanks!
The 120d II is definitely probably overkill for what you need. There's also the Godox ML60, which is similar to the Forza 60 but a little cheaper and has some advantages/differences: czcams.com/video/GHiMqZ9oiQM/video.html It is not a native Bowens mount but you can get an adapter, or just use the Godox mount modifiers which are very lightweight and inexpensive. Aputure has a budget line of lights called the Amaran 100d, 100x, 200d, and 200x coming out very soon too. I have a video for that, but I can't tell you when it'll be released. If you can wait a tiny bit, that may also be a good option since it's Bowens mount geni.us/aputureamaran100d
@@NewLayer Yea ive looked into the ML60 for a while but my brain is like "its cheap, and you get what you pay for". Maybe ill wait for the Amaran series, good idea. But maybe ill get one Forza 60 just to practice using video lights, and it can be B light or even C light if i dont like it :)! Thanks for the quick reply man, cheers
@@muhameddelic1819 The ML60 is definitely not a cheap light! It’s very well made and works great. The only downside is that it’s not a native Bowens Mount, but for a small light I have actually come to like that because the native modifiers made for it are much lighter. I’d also say it’s better built than the Forza 60/60b.
Thank you for the tutorial! Just a clarification though, when talking about moody scenes first thing that comes to my mind is about the contrast, the shadows. Would it be better to remove the keylight and instead replace it with a white reflector just to fill the face so the contrast remains?
You're welcome. Moody can mean different things to different people, but you're right. Honestly one of my favorite shots in this setup is with just the window and back light, which is why I think doing a dimmer key light like I mentioned towards the end would be cool. It would have a different feel for sure. That's the beauty of lighting, is that you can do whatever you want! :)
Not a bad idea! Although you'll have 0 issues with most modern LEDs, especially Aputure or Nanlite. Most important is to expose properly and set a custom white balance in camera before shooting. I use this cheap set and it works great: geni.us/anwerkgraycard
Do you want to see more lighting setup videos like this? If so, leave a reply and let me know what types of scenarios you want to see next!
I work a lot with these forza lights as they are very affrodable to rent. Would love to see more lighting setups using them doing different scenes, indoors, outdoors, night, evening, day, morning and etc.
This video was great! Thank you
@@wasislos They are really fun to work with too! Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind as I plan more lighting setups :)
Yep, really like this type of lighting setup videos. The light specs are good to know, especially the data not published by the manufactory. But IMO the actual usage and effects of the lights make the real difference, and provides more tangible guidance. If the video can include your camera settings (ISO, shutter speed and f stop), it would be even better. Looking for forward to more videos like this one.
@@zhenyucai You are right in that when it comes down to it, you can create amazing imagery with super cheap, or super expensive lights if you use them right!
Love your first sentence JT. We would love to show us the setup of lights, and how to use them. How to get the cinematic look on a budget. Getting cinema look is not a big deal. Everyone can do it with a lot of money and a lot of experts. The challenge is to be able to do it with cheapest lights possible. And even without any professional light at all if possible.
Keep up the good work! God bless you!
Thanks, glad you liked the video :)
The graphics were a great touch!!
Thanks! I almost posted without, but decided to spend the time on them, and I'm glad I did.
loved the note at the beginning about the amount of time it took for you to nail the look. Very honest and helpful.
I debated whether to put that in since people on CZcams really like to get into things ASAP, but I decided that it was important enough to put up front. I'm glad it was helpful for you :)
@zac fox agreed
Loved the video man
Thanks, I'm happy everyone has liked it so far, fingers crossed, haha.
Wonderful... A before and after of using Pro Mist filter will be a nice thing to see. Many thanks for this video!
Thanks! I forgot 😁
Superb planning and perfect execution
Thank you! I had a plan that didn't work out at first, but it evolved into something else, which was ok for this scene :)
Very helpful to see a lighting setup like this. It not only is educational but shows your experience as a gaffer beyond making a nice CZcams setup. In this video we can see the experience and knowledge you apply to your light reviews and other videos.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad it was helpful. I like making these because when I look back at them I see what I want to do differently too, then I can make a new video with those ideas and share that!
Damn i always love your videos... a first go to before i end up looking anywhere else... keep it up. We need you... i need you lol... 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Haha, thanks a lot! I have no plans to go anywhere, just plans for more in 2021 :)
Was looking for Nanlite setups. Spot on, very educational. Got my sub. Thanks for the great content!
Glad you liked it, thanks for subscribing :)
Yes! Please do more videos like this. I am purchasing the Amaran 100d as my first "real" light. I'm also purchasing the Fresnel 2x. If you could do a lighting setup with that it'd be so cool!
That’s exciting! I’m glad you liked this video. I don’t currently have an Amaran, but I will do some with other Aputure lights, and any setup I do can be recreated with a more budget friendly COB!
@@NewLayer Thank you!!!😃
Wooow! It is really cool!!!! The light setup is amazing!!! Want to be a friend with you!😍💙
Thanks! I always like making friends with lighting brands :)
Oh dude "In reality sometimes it can take an entire day..." I'll often feel like I'm wasting time playing around with lights, but once you get the look you're after you really feel proud. Plus then you get a new "starting" block to go from next time when trying to achieve the same or similar look. Really enjoyed this video and the breakdown of why you put lights in different areas, as well as covering your in-camera white balance setting used.
200% definitely! It can be really discouraging spending an hour on lighting and then the test shots look like crap, but when you finally get things looking good, you'll never forget that setup (even down to the brightness settings sometimes) BECAUSE it took so much work to create.
Thanks for the comment and for watching!
That was Amazing stuff! Thank you for sharing buddy.
Thanks! Glad you liked it. I have more lighting setups coming soon :)
Really enjoyed this video and would love to see more of it. This look was great and I think that 1/4 pro mist really carried it over the finish line.
Thanks, glad you liked it. I’m getting the Moment Cineblooms when they’re back in stock so it’ll be interesting to compare the two.
I definitely have more videos like this coming ASAP.
Great breakdown video!
Hey thanks! I'm pumped to do more :)
Love love this, would like to see more videos like this
Thank you! I have more ideas for things like this in 2021 :)
Thank you, your video gave me a lot of food for thought
You're very welcome! I'm glad it provoked some further thought :)
Nice video thanks... you have a nice voice to listen.
Thank you, thanks probably the first time I've heard that 😅
Ur a good teacher. Thank you!!!
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it :)
Beautiful lighting, beautiful video, beautiful music...thanks. Not a videographer, but hey, I can appreciate the effort required to put it all together.
Thanks! And you couldn’t be more right. No one has to be anything specific to appreciate beauty!
This was great 👍 Thank you. I would like to see more lighting set up videos. Especially people in their home environment. I can’t afford a lot of lighting and your information really helps me work creatively with what I have 🙂
Thanks! And you're welcome. I like doing these a lot, so I'll definitely work on more ASAP :)
Awesome, I want to see lighting tutorial by using 12 sachlter or redhead lamps , you light two persons interviewee and host , with three cameras one for interviewee , one for the host , third is long shot , the challenge how you can tweak these lamps to get from it what you want
Thanks, glad you liked it! That's a tall order for a lighting setup, haha.
I was thinking of doing some kind of interview type setup though, so maybe covering both interviewer and interviewee would be good.
Would absolutely love to see more lighting videos
Thanks! I'd love to make them :)
great video.
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)
This was great, please make more of these videos! Here's what I would like to see: most lighting setup videos like this are usually about lighting close up shots or medium shots. These get pretty standard, with your key light and backlight and background light, and it's relatively easy to place and hide the lights since you are shooting a close-up. What I would like to see is how to light a wide shot with several people in it that are moving, and with more camera movement, to me that's more challenging. Say, lighting for a wide indoor shot where the camera has to move from one room to another, or lighting for a dance video.
Thanks for the feedback! I am excited to make more of these. All good ideas, although might be hard for me to pull of personally since I am a one man crew 99% of the time.
Something more creative and challenging sounds fun though for sure.
Very good
Thanks!
Love this man. Def want to see more lighting tutorials from you. The Pro Mist added a nice touch too!
Thanks man! Your videos are part of what inspires me to shoot "real" scenes, so thanks for what you do too! And thanks for kicking me in the butt enough to get the pro mist finally ;)
@@NewLayer That means A LOT to me bro. Thank you.
This a really excellent video. I love the final result. Thank you!
Thanks, glad you liked it. I’ll be doing more of these in the near future.
I enjoyed that
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it enough to comment :)
Appreciate the hard work you put into these videos.
Thanks! I have more like this coming in 2021.
Really love these scenario videos and would love to see more.
Thanks! I definitely have more on my to-do list, just gotta get through some items in my backlog. 2021 should be a good year :)
Nicely done! So true that lighting takes hours upon hours.
Thank you! And the times you get it right on the first try are much fewer than not, as I'm sure you know. Although when that happens, it feels so good, haha.
@@NewLayer Yep! :D Love when it happens sooner rather than later in the setting up lights process. :D Longest part of any shoot, but worth it.
nice. thanks.
Glad you liked it 👍
thank you for great explained tutorials! high professional
Thanks a lot! I'm glad you liked it :)
OH LOVE IT!!
Thanks! That makes me happy :)
please also do share your picture profile settings!! love the look of your vids!
Thanks! I think everything in this video was shot in SLog3 and I use the official Sony SLog3 to Rec709 LUT, so nothing special.
Although, I recently started using S-Cinetone and like it way more. I only use SLog3 when it's a very high dynamic range scene so I can manually tweak the highlights and shadows if necessary.
Dude! Just found your channel and absolutely love this breakdown! So cool to see how people use lights in different situations. Keep it up!
Thanks! I'm putting together a "1 light, 3 looks" product photography video this week that should be out in a couple weeks.
This was fantastic
Thanks! There's definitely stuff I'd change about it now but, it was fun to make.
@@NewLayer I just bought the forza 720b and the 200, in addition to the godox ul150 I bought through you like a year ago. Would love to see more of these actually. I think it matter more than the camera
@@HiddenOaksMedia You are very right! To a large extent, lighting matters much more than camera, as long as your camera is somewhat decent!
Awesome video!! You’ve now inspired me to do more lighting setups at home. It’s also cool to see the tiny 60b with that huge softbox.
(Side note- when I clicked on the Litolite link it took me to the pavotube 6c)
I'm glad it inspired you. And the softbox was kind of sketchy, but I had it tipped down so much the vertical post of the light stand helped hold it a bit, haha.
And I fixed the link! Thanks for the help geni.us/nanlitelitolite5c
Nice breakdown. Personally, I wouldn't call your final look "moody." You kinda killed the moody moodness 😉with that keylight at 100%. Had the rim light been left the brightest, with your "key" really just being a fairly subtle hint of incandescent warmth, the scene would have looked much more dramatic.
I honestly can't argue with you there, because as I got closer to finishing, my favorite shot was just the window light + the backlight.
Technically though, anything is moody, even "super bright and happy" is a mood so... LOL.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@NewLayer I feel ya. "Proper" exposure gets drilled into our heads, making us too worried about underexposing. It's easy to light the drama right out of a scene.
@@Humcrush Very, very true. Part of it was using the new A7S III in SLog3 + a new monitor, so I wasn't used to either quite yet. I do agree though it could've been moodier :)
Awesome video man... I love seeing practical videos like this... you should do more videos like this
Thanks for commenting and letting me know! The feedback has been great so far, and these lighting setups are fun to do, so I'd love to start shifting towards more of these :)
Thanks for the reply ....Bicolor models of aputure and nanlite you may lecture on skin texture that's the one which makes someone to look at the product ....to me intense is almost same but skin texture somewhat letdown in many led what I have seen in budget models
You are right. What makes it extra hard is that 1) Some budget lights are actually technically better than high end lights, BUT 2) Technical measurements don't always line up with what looks best.
If you want to check it out, I made a light comparison tool where you can at least compare the tech specs from many different lights: newlayer.com/gear/lights/compare
I hope that helps for now :)
this guy makes lovely vidoes!
Thanks for the support!
@@NewLayer no thank you for your support. For making so cool vudeos for us..
Where are you based?
@@syedarmaghanhassan4652 You're welcome. I'm in California, USA.
@@NewLayer my gGod
You're so far away. Why are you not in Germany?
If I ever were in California, would you like to shoot a short film 🎥 with me? Can I borrow 2 dsys pf your life for a film--project?
👌👍👏 I'd like to see more real world light setups)))
In which format you exported your video? (I see color-gamma artifacts, especially in shadows)
Thanks, I have more coming! I shot this as a very high ISO because I was trying some things with S-LOG3, which is probably why you see those artifacts. I exported in h.264 30mbps.
This is super helpful! Thanks for such a detailed setup guide! Man... I wish I could use lights. I generally shoot fitness indoors and I'm advised to not use any lights in order to not annoy customers.
I literally have to brute force my work with pure dynamic range, usually shooting 3-4 stops underexposed to preserve highlights. Maybe I should get the Forza 60 and show my boss how small the lights can get...
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you liked it so much. That would be pretty frustrating for sure. Would you get in trouble for reflectors? You could at least get a couple stops of fill light back if those weren't banned. Where you get super fed up with your boss, just do a full fledged lighting setup, that way if you get fired you won't care, haha.
@@NewLayer Reflectors are ok, but I'm trying to come up with a hands free solution. I guess those reflector holders mounted on a lightstand could work, but I work solo, so 2 lightstands, 2 tripods and 1 gimbal is already quite tough to carry. I kinda wish there was a way to attach long tall collapsable reflectors into something like a V-flat board. Maybe I'll try gaff tape.
@@professionalpotato4764 Would the v-flats I used in this video not work as reflectors for you? I feel your pain, working solo definitely creates some limitations.
@@NewLayer They would work if I had someone assisting and if I didn't need to travel between locations. But if I had to get onto public transport with all my gear, it gets kinda tough. I don't have a car either, it's too expensive where I live to own a car.
@@professionalpotato4764 All definitely good reasons you don't want to carry a massive square around on top of all the other gear you have, haha.
I believe you just recently started using the mist filters on your YT vids. I actually liked it a bit before. Just personal Opinion. Now it all kind of looks like it lacks contrast,almost more matte.
I change something or try something new with almost every video, so you'll see different looks all the time. Can't do the same thing or I'll get bored :)
In this scenario, would an additional forza 60 with a fresnel focused in have worked in place of the 200?
Definitely! You wouldn't even need a Fresnel. A Forza 60 with the stock reflector would work great. I had the Forza 200 set to just 7%, so you could use a Forza 60 at like 15% and get the exact same effect. I was just using what I have on hand, which is 1 of each light.
@@NewLayer Great! I have 2 Forza 60s and a Fresnel and was hoping to recreate your look to learn lighting better. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@@lmahesh26 Happy to help! Good luck :)
Great idea! I wondered what you did with all the lights you own?
Haha! I made this because I started wondering the same thing. I'll be doing a lot more of these in the future :)
New Layer look forward to them.
I would have preferred to use the 200 as a key with a gel.and flagged the 60s imo. What do you think? Thanks for the vid
That would work just as well. The 60B provided plenty of light for this, if anything I would drop the warm light by a stop if I were to shoot it again so it’s not so high key.
Could you please type the camera settings as iso and aperture that you used for this scene?
Also, did you shoot it on a7siii?
Yes, this was shot on the a7S III at 1/50 second and f/2.8 for everything. The ISO was around 6400 give or take 1/3-2/3 of a stop for different shots. It was shot in SLog3, so keep that in mind, because that's the equivalent to shooting at ISO 800 in a non-log/regular mode.
I also shot it at 4K/60, but only 200 bitrate, so not as high quality as I could have. I'm a real stickler when it comes to hard drive space, lol.
Nice! Do you think the Forza 60B is bright enough as a key light for talking head setups? Without the fan getting too loud? Or do you recommend the Forza 60 instead? I just like the bicolor flexibility. Also will be great to hear your verdict between the Forza 60 and Godox ML60 and which you’d recommend.
My ML60 video comes out tomorrow or Friday, and has a ton of Forza comparisons :)
For a key light, I’d probably go with the Forza 60. The 60B would struggle in brighter scenarios. It only worked well here because it was pitch black.
@@NewLayer thanks for the feedback. Nice timing lol looking forward to the ML60 review! I hope you got a hold of the AD-S65 or AD-S85 for the review too.
@@dwmspace Not those I'm afraid, but I do has the AD-S60S, which is a 24" octabox with multiple diffusion layers + grid. I tried to make it as in-depth as I could, so I hope it helps :)
@@NewLayer ah ok, sounds good :)
Why is that the forza 60 rim light has a white color while the forza 200 has a bluish color? I thought they should have the same color, unless the forza 60 is gelled?
They may be a couple hundred Kelvin off from each other since lights can change color at different brightness. Believe it or not, shooting through a glass window can change the color as well.
The hair light is brighter, so will appear less saturated too, and finally, the wall isn't completely white, so it picks up some color from that.
Hope that helps!
@@NewLayer I see. Thanks for the explanation!
Thanks for a very good and inspiring video. If I have to choose between Forza 60 or 60B. Which one will you recommend me to buy. And if I want to buy 2 lights? Two of the 60B? What do you think? Or is there maybe a new light you think is better than Forza 60/60B for the price? Can the fan noise be a problem when doing intervju?
Thanks, glad you liked it!
I still really love the Forza lights. The only downside is that they are not a native Bowens mount, but they do have a decent Bowens mount adapter if you want to use something bigger than the 24" native softbox.
I used the 60 as a talking head light in the 24" softbox, and had it only at 35%. In a controlled environment, you should be able to use the 60B for talking head/interviews, but you may need to use it at a higher power.
If you're getting two I suggest to get one 60 and one 60B, so you have more brightness when needed.
geni.us/nanliteforza60
geni.us/nanliteforza60b
@@NewLayer Thank you for a quick and fast answer. Nice to know because then I will probably buy a 60 first. It is also nice to know about the adapter because I already have two soft boxes for my Elinchrom D-Lite, and it could be nice to maybe use them on Nanlite if possible.
@@FlyfisherFilm Happy to help. I would assume the Elinchrom D-Lite uses Elinchrom-style adapters, rather than Bowens mount. There are adapters for that as well, but I'd try to stay away from double adapting if at all possible.
Good luck! Let me know how you like the light when you buy it :)
@@NewLayer Yes probably. I think so too. Better to have what itś made for the light then mixing it up. I will do and thanks for all the help and good videos :)
I want to know about Nanlite Forza...
Can shoot slow motion 120fps or 240 fps with Nanlite Forza? Thank you...
It totally depends on how big your modifier is, how far the light is placed, and what ISO you usually shoot at. You could do mid or mid close ups with a 24-36” softbox if you’re at 1/250 second, ISO 800, and f/2.8, but anything further and I would suggest a higher power light.
@@NewLayer Thanks for your reply... :-)
I only have flash lights, but i want to order a few video lights to use for my client shoots. I was considering a 120d II but its so damn expensive. I saw your other video on the Forza 60, but would love to get recommended if you have any advice for key lights / hair lights in small areas. Thanks!
The 120d II is definitely probably overkill for what you need.
There's also the Godox ML60, which is similar to the Forza 60 but a little cheaper and has some advantages/differences: czcams.com/video/GHiMqZ9oiQM/video.html It is not a native Bowens mount but you can get an adapter, or just use the Godox mount modifiers which are very lightweight and inexpensive.
Aputure has a budget line of lights called the Amaran 100d, 100x, 200d, and 200x coming out very soon too. I have a video for that, but I can't tell you when it'll be released. If you can wait a tiny bit, that may also be a good option since it's Bowens mount geni.us/aputureamaran100d
@@NewLayer Yea ive looked into the ML60 for a while but my brain is like "its cheap, and you get what you pay for". Maybe ill wait for the Amaran series, good idea. But maybe ill get one Forza 60 just to practice using video lights, and it can be B light or even C light if i dont like it :)! Thanks for the quick reply man, cheers
@@muhameddelic1819 The ML60 is definitely not a cheap light! It’s very well made and works great. The only downside is that it’s not a native Bowens Mount, but for a small light I have actually come to like that because the native modifiers made for it are much lighter.
I’d also say it’s better built than the Forza 60/60b.
@@NewLayer My bad i mixed the SL with ML! Thats why i said they were cheap, never looked at the ML, il have a look at your video! :D
@@muhameddelic1819 Ah, that makes sense! :)
Thank you for the tutorial! Just a clarification though, when talking about moody scenes first thing that comes to my mind is about the contrast, the shadows. Would it be better to remove the keylight and instead replace it with a white reflector just to fill the face so the contrast remains?
You're welcome. Moody can mean different things to different people, but you're right. Honestly one of my favorite shots in this setup is with just the window and back light, which is why I think doing a dimmer key light like I mentioned towards the end would be cool. It would have a different feel for sure.
That's the beauty of lighting, is that you can do whatever you want! :)
@@NewLayer yeah, I loved that shot with the window and backlight. Great tutorial, really useful, thank you!
Hi,
I am a beginner in photography, and would like to learn light setups for portraits. Would appreciate your help.
I'll be posting a lot more tutorials like this, so stay tuned :)
Need aputure Vs nanlite skintone reproduction...
Not a bad idea! Although you'll have 0 issues with most modern LEDs, especially Aputure or Nanlite. Most important is to expose properly and set a custom white balance in camera before shooting. I use this cheap set and it works great: geni.us/anwerkgraycard
Too much key light. You made it very youtubey😒 ughh.