Ashwin Willemse Supersport Incident | South Africa (2018)
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Renaldo Gouws You don't know what was said. So listen to what Naas has said, "you had all the time". Obviously he call him that.
Renaldo Gouws it's Minister of the country not the NAC
Renaldo Gouws you sound personal about this matter as if you know what happened before live broadcast just sit down if you don't know your defense os enough
Yeah... I do know that the Minister of Sport is the Minister of the country. I am not an idiot. Which side of the political benches does this minister sit in? I mean really?
Cool minds and less emotions will wait for the facts to come out before we make judgements....so far we have seen agrieved mr willimse... but what agrieved him....has not been put out in public....we blacks we are fast exposing ourselves as people who do not think critically and do not wait for the facts...let us wait for the anchor of the show and mr willemse to tell us what happend....as for the minister of sports...representing government...it was easy for her but too early to throw herself into this situation....
I just want to applaud Motshidisi Mohono for handling the situation so professionally after Ashwin left
She did an excellent job of handling everything once the emotional teenager ran off. Classy lady.
Absolutely. I think she will be instrumental in what happens hereon out.
The usage of the word "unfortunate" seemed inappropriate to me. After such an incident, "unfortunate" is not the word to use especially if she also felt that Ashwin had a right to be angry at what was said to him.
Agree. Real asset to Supersport.
I totally agree, she handled it so well!
How to end an argument in SA:
Apartheid
So true!
You can’t forget a past in which we still live the aftermath, this aftermath caused a-lot of the issues South Africa has today. I’m not saying lets live in the past but understanding a problem is the first step to fixing it.
@@abhaytilakdari5730 "understanding a problem is the first step to fixing it."
you can't understand the problem when others have an agenda to twist the facts of history and to deny and destroy the white people of South Africa...Apartheid wasn't the horrible situation people make it out to be many people thrived including blacks! crime was low everyone had access to education, jobs, money, homes a first world country now look at the state of S Africa. was there bad things in apartheid? of course but not as bad as they make it out to be it's been lied about and blown out of proportion. every country has problems and issues that should be addressed everything can be improved upon but the racism and hatred wasn't what it is today people actually got along better before allowing millions to immigrate from west Africa to South Africa. it could have been fixed before letting in people who didn't have anything to do with apartheid nothing to do with S Africa but were the very ones who began lying about it causing chaos,hatred, high crime and division of blacks and whites... guess who lied about the rainbow nation? yep there is no white in rainbows.
the first step in fixing anything is the "truth" of apartheid the "truth" of history and not the communist version of apartheid and history...now things are what they are today white people are getting slaughterd at an alarming rate S A is in stage six of genocide all because their made to pay for the "lie of apartheid"... I doubt it can be fixed at this point not without a serious cleansing or civil war.
@@abhaytilakdari5730 One of its "issues" is that it provided the most advanced country in Africa .Black love to live in the past you would be in Congo ,DRC and lots more if it didnt happen..Some blacks love to live in the past ,and promote the looser mentality with racism,which they promote but supposedly are so against
Why does it offend you when one mention apartheid?
The funniest thing is the fact that black people don't want to be called "quota players", but it's black people who implemented the quota system. If you don't want be called a quota player fight for the merit system to return!
im sure its 1 black person that you are refering to and not black people as a whole.Do you think Ash would have agreed to the quota system if asked to implement it?, the people who implimented it were obviously politicians(black) and not true sport professionals(black), because a tru sportsman would want to fight his/her way to the top fairly, without any favours....
The Quota system was needed like it or not, because it essentially was response to an organization who had a whole white exclusive platform to start with.
And just because the Quota system is in place, doesn't mean players are chosen only because of their skin colour.
Are you mad?😂
@@dawoodwilliams3652 Why is elton jantjies in the team. Goosen has been a better player. That alone chooses a players of colour over a white player. 50% of players have to be players of colour. This will affect school where children have to see there peers picked based on there colour of there skin that is racism to the outmost degree and Affirmative action is just going to breed more racism.
It was a disagreement guys not everything is racist seriously.
Thabiso Mabhena well... Me and you... We are of the same or similar opinion.
The entitled are of another.
Yeah like seriously 🙄🙄I mean it could have been another Afrikaner presenter and they undermine his achievements n stuff , still it’s like the same thing
Maxwell Mahlangu jah well cheers to having a great season ahead gents!
It was racism, look at how both Nick and Nass listen to each other but make jokes and laugh when ashwin is speaking.
You stupid
The crazy thing is that the minister of sport called for botha and Mallets suspension without any evidence. God help us.
The minister of sport is intellectually compromised like most politician in this country.
JEAN DIONNE LOOCK Thats how blacks roll
Herman Burger Big time
This shows the narrative of the ANC. An ANC official is calling for the punishment of people solemnly because they are white.
bryan hurd “That’s how blacks roll”, he said. Absolutely NOT offensive AT ALL🙃
I do not know what happened off air, but Ashwin Willemse was very unprofessional. He should have dealt with that issue off air bcz it happened off air.
For the South Africans what are your views on the quota system for selection? Without it will black players be overlooked and marginalized or will South African rugby develop and select the best available players regardless of colour? I'm from New Zealand so i'm looking from the outside in but it seems the only way to avoid the stigma of being called a "quota player" is for the entire quota system to be scrapped regardless of what outcomes it might yield.
Alf Stewart I agree with u Sir. Scrap the quota system. The problem i have tho is tht whn it comes to selection, will the selectors be biased? Will they REALLY choose the best players, or select biasedly according to their own skin colour (even though quota is theoretically scrapped).
In a free market system combined with professional sport, the player who brings in the money through good performances will get picked regardless of color. Create equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome and the best will rise to the top regardless of colour. Look at American sports, African Americans dominate basket ball and football, yet make up only 14% of the population. They dominate due to their physical prowess, it’s simple. You cannot social engineer equity, there is no such thing. In the end the damage is done to those it’s intended to help.
I think ultimately the quota system should be scrapped. Its not fair on the talented black players that get picked but will always have the stigma of being a quota player hanging over their heads. And it is not fair on the talented white players that get overlooked.The changes need to come at grass roots levels with money being spent on providing underprivileged players access to fields, training and coaching so that talent is developed and brought through the schools into the professional arena. It takes time. If it was started 20 years ago we wold not have this problem now.
I definitely think it is an issue and should be scrapped because: well 1st off as many of my countrymen have said it puts an astrix next to the name of any black player to put on the Jersey I know everyone the legendary Brian Habanna(sp) was accused of it when he was selected when he was past his "prime" and thus I think for any black player to truly be accepted or remembered as "legitimate" springbok he would have to be an absolute legend (someone like Beast Mtawarira (sp) comes to mind). Also it becomes a worry to the players themselves as they doubt if the deserved it because of their talent or just got in because of their skin colour. Mkhaya Ntini (legendary cricket bowler) himself has stated that he had doubts over his own selection and he was amazing
Then also raised by my countrymen is the fact that talented white players are restricted to become as there becomes such a bottle neck for top teir talent which is why the European leagues are saturated with SA players trying to get citizenship to represent other countries (Scott Speding, CJ Stander, Rory Kokket etc)
And the last and probably most important one which for some reason everyone (including the IRB) over looks is that according to IRB legislation that formed in the apartheid time states that no country that has legislation that influences selection due to skin colour is allowed to take part in any IRB official games, records or tournaments. This is why SA couldn't participate in world cups etc during that time. So therefore due to the current quota system the boks technically should not to be able to compete but everyone turns a blind eye because it is taken as political correctness but is just blatant breaking of IRB rules.
It obviously also impacts the bok performance because the possible team/squad (supposedly) is not chosen
I hope this helped and made sense.excuse me if any of my English is incorrect or if a spoke a bit in a circle I tend to ramble sometimes.
Be free to ask me any questions or reply I'd love to hear other people's opinionsand view points
Yes it should e taken away to provide chances for all people in South Africa it doesn't matter what colour you are
Unfortunately we live in a country where Double Standards seem to be the order of the day.
That is 100% correct and i very much doubt there is such a thing as fairness in the world, that is just a dream although a nice dream to aim for.
double standards have always been the order of the day, don't you think?
Human Rights commission,as far as i know, has yet to find a black person guilty of racism and already found a couple of whites.Double standards are rife in our country and have crept into our judiciary aswell seems to be.
Hitting the nail on the head once. One more thing I found interesting is people commenting that Naas and Nick is laughing (at Ashwin), yet Motshidisi Mohono, a lady of colour, is laughing too.
Christoph that chick was fantastic. She deserves a bonus
Ashwin deserved to be laughed at for his child like behaviour.
I agree. She handled the situation very well. I actually remarked on her professionalism to my brother last night. Respect to her.
Unless we know the true story / full details with evidence, we can't say that because she also laughed doesn't make what they were laughing at right? They might be all justified to laugh at Ashwin and they all could be wrong. I think it's rather too early to make that assertion.
Blessing Mpofu People laugh when they are embarrassed and try to make light of the situation. Never heard of a nervous laugh. She was professional she had a job to do and she did it. I personally think Ashwin has a chip on his shoulder and blew something out of proportion. Let's see what comes up. But his body language spoke of someone slighted by something. It starts when he speaks to Naas the first time and ask his input. Naas not answering speaks to wanting to avoid some sort of situation on camera.
Race card and white privilege is getting stale now Renaldo. When is the victim, entitled mentality going to end?
You mean that mentality that is all so prevelant amongst South Africa's white community?
It's time to drop the victim mentality..
such a disgrace statement when you try to turn a blind eye thinking that black people are not victimized everyday at the malls and workplace....what more evidence do you want....not so longer ago they tried to bury a black person alive and got arrested.
+lesley seriti white people are tiring! when they are the reason for all this segregation. they are always playing the victim by saying other people like playing victim. mxxxm
@@seritimedia5348 Bring that evidence you got, you got the victim mentality with which this country is on the road to nowhere ,if nothing else think of the kids that will build the new generation.
Am I the only one that does not understand whats going on
visualize a storm, in a teacup)
Arnie, it appears that before they went on air, Naas did all the talking, so when they went on-air, Ashwin responded , like any 5 yr old " You wouldn't let me talk first then, so I'm not going to talk now. SO There!!"
clearly you also naive about it all. this is smething thats been coming on for a long time. and its just as aswin said, they undermind his opinion because he is not the legendary naas or nic and ash is pointing out that he doesnt appreciate the lack of respect they show him because he was already had to be called a quota player all the years and now he wont continue to accept such behavior as he doesnt have to and he was just a good player that deserves respect as equally as they do
Jean Mackenzie I 100% agree with you I'm pretty sure a lot of other people would have reacted the same it's not a race issue it's a respect issue
Arnie Kando Personality clashes and unprofessional behaviour. The Multichoice CEO has anounced that there was no racism involved in the incident of and on screen.
The only aspect I can disagree with is the notion that Ashwin Willemse was a "fantastic" rugby player. He was just one of many who played for the Springboks after 94. Same as it is not Botha and Mallets fault that they played during the Apartheid era it is nobody's fault Aswin played during the quota era. If it is acceptable for Willemse to accuse them of being racists simply because they played before 94, then Willemse must accept that he will always be regarded as a quota player. The politicians gave Botha and Mallet the Apartheid tag same as the politicians gave Willemse the quota tag. If Botha and Mallet should have refused to play for segregated teams then Willemse should have refused to play for quota teams. Willemse rigthly deserves his quota tag.
I agree... Nick Mallet and Ashwin Willemse would never have made it into any Bok team if I was doing the choosing...
Completely disagree.. Willemse was a great player. In 2003 he won SA Player of the Year, Player's player of the Year and Most Improved Player. It's unfortunate he was plagued by injury throughout his career.. Great player though
If he got injured all the time then his conditioning was not up to standard, making him an average player. I think Renaldo only put that part in to appease his non-white audience.
Nick Mallet touched him on his studio..
Thanks for bringing this into light Mr Gouws
This guy is gaining quite a few viewers, I'm glad to see such growth from a local channel :) well done Mr Gouws you've always brought you're viewers quality content and an unbiased debate.
Ok !! , can we all just agree that nothing offensive happened on camera and that even if something happened behind the scenes, the outburst was unprofessional.
Couldn't agree more.
Firstly I'd love to know the context behind this 'meltdown'. What was actually said to offend Willemse?
Secondly, I don't care how offended you are, you don't walk off a set! You are letting down your team, camera crew etc and airing dirty laundry is incredibly unprofessional. You suck it up, do your job, and then confront the individuals OFF CAMERA.
How can you slap SuperSport, your colleagues and the viewers in the face like that? You got offended, felt entitled, and walked off set during a broadcast. Surely that is a breach of contract and should be an instant dismissal.
You, Mr Willemse, have just highlighted the BIGGEST problem in South Africa: SELF-ENTITLEMENT. You made it about race and automatically that should save you from being fired and prompt an immediate response about Nick Mallet and Naas Botha getting dismissed.
For all the younger viewers, that see you as a ROLE MODEL, they too will see that as the way to treat things when they are unhappy about something. Instead of dealing with it head on, throw the dirty laundry all over the place and mentioned something about how you are being patronized and then say the magic word, "apartheid" and what ever you do then will be safe.
You, Mr Willemse, have just created the notion that as someone of colour, it is OKAY to storm off publicly in a professional environment, nevermind how many people you let down, and what's more, there are people FIGHTING to get a job every day and you've just pissed all over yours, which by the way you should be HIGHLY privileged and grateful to have, because you felt offended. Being offended doesn't justify your actions and it doesn't mean you are right.
YOU, MR WILLEMSE, owe Nick Mallet, Naas Botha, the SuperSport team and the WHOLE OF SOUTH AFRICA your deepest heartfelt apology and resign immediately.
If it comes to light that there was indeed racist/patronizing intent - I'm happy to eat my words and apologize. But there is no proof as of yet.
Well said .....entitlement is the key to this ,
Very well said!!
You Made it On Number One Trending👑
NAAS is BAAS!! 😂
KAAS is BAAS!
Don't pick a side too. Let's all wait till further notice neh😏😏
Kai, it's always a good option to have two aces up your sleeves...
:-D
We dont blame it on apartheid. Ive seen a lot of your comments. Calm down and look at things reasonably and try imagine yourself in the other black persons shoes regarding history. Stop being white power driven. Kai, what you can do as white people? We can do it too with the force of a whole nation behind us. We fight daily for the scraps you white people leave for us. You will never understand, I plead that you atleast try.
LoneWolf Kai stupid that Naai is coloured
Exactly.... The video is not balanced at all, he’s being a white apologist. You can’t invalidate someone else’s experiences because they are not yours.
Peace - please, people. Peace
There's absolutely no evidence of racism here. All in Willemse's head. Chips on both of his shoulders
And in his pockets.
Hello Renaldo!! I remember when you were Rendeer on CZcams! I used to watch you a lot about 9 years ago. Keep up the good work!
Found you by searching for this video. Great stuff, will stay tuned to all your content.
Nick Mallett has never called Willemse a quota player on live TV. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have off set either (but if he did, then they should've settled that off air). As to them playing in the apartheid era : So what ? Are they responsible for the dates of their birth, which led to them playing their best rugby during that time ? Does that make them any less good players ? Ashwin Willemse surely showed his lack of emotional intelligence and immaturity of spirit. Why they didn't get him off air a long time ago beats me (he had shown signs of this insecurity before on air). I think : Good riddance, when I watch a sports program, I want to see professionalism (regardless of politics), and not listen to child-like mentalities.
I like the cut of your jib.. calling him a quota player "no big deal fagetabaddit" them being apartheid era stars "fagetabaddit" but Willemse getting upset on air "immature, fire that boy".
Aye aye captain
The Minister of Sport getting involved on one side...unbelievable.
Renaldo, love your work. Keep it up. Wish more people in this country could think like you.
This was unprofessional. And even if there was something legit that happened, he now looks like the idiot because of how he handled it.
some people seem to think there's an agenda
Very mature and objective take on this matter Renaldo. Your concerns are mine too...I just wish that in this beautiful country the race card could be given a red card.
Brian Paddey you're racist plain and simple. I'm not going to sugar coat it. Don't undermine something you don't understand. And make it seem feeble minded
You don't know me, Timothy. If you did, you'd know I wasn't a racist.
You clearly didn't, or didn't want to, understand my post...I really don't understand yours.
Brian Paddey I don't see a reason why you should explain. Don't know if I miss any other comment you made, but the one I read was spot on and actually unifying much more so than divisive in any way.
Name calling on a public platform is a sign of poor character. I reported him.
Now that blacks are in power the race card must be put away. White people have be overtly playing the race for centuries. Today they do it covertly. Locking us out from the economic benefits of our own land. Come on guys. This whole race card thing is a doing of your own. You taught the black person the difference between the two races and that we are in power you want to nullify the race agenda.
Emil best case scenario we separate.
Are we watching sports or Jersey Shore. Sipping tea.
Don't watch this super sport.
Christopher, 🤣😂🤣😂
this is one for the SABC --no standards,no class, people who feel entitled ---would you use someone like this ''don't ''petronise'' me and on another vid ''the coats'' instead of ''the coach''
Neither, you're watching someone refusing to be undermined and belittled.
😂😂😂😂 That was a good one😂
This was well said and as a coloured I don't see why we must resort to apartheid era for everything that happens and blame it for everything as well. if they want to come with race and discrimination into sports then they needs to focus on the soccer which we still cant play a decent game and beat the weakest of teams even if we should play against ourselves
is everyone here in denial? seriously? Apartheid is the beginning of all of this it's one of the biggest lies in S A history until that big fat lie is addressed nothing will be healed...white people are being punished in every way including an ongoing genocide over the lie of apartheid along with the lies of how poorly blacks and coloured were treated all based on lies.apartheid wasn't great and had big problems and I don't deny there were racist back then but nothing close to what is happening today and nothing that couldn't have been resolved among the people that's a normal healthy society to squash there differences among themselves. Apartheid was not how people portray it today not even close, so nothing will improve unless the lies are resolved with the light of truth nothing is ever one sided.
communist liberals will shut you down if you bring up apartheid but are the first to bring it up when they play the victim card
There are 2 versions
1. Mallet asked the producer to let Ashwin do the opening remarks on the game because he did not get a change to speak after the Sharks game and he deemed it to be patronizing
2. He wasn't in the studio during the game and had no notes on the game and they deliberately asked to let him speak first to expose him, as it happens a lot where Nic and Naas have to give their notes to Ashwin to safe the day. And the only way out was to play the race card.
Just like you, thousands of us watched the clip numerous times to establish what caused Willemse's tirade and none could be found.
The fact that black twitter as well as the minister immediately reach for the race card says a lot about our new, democratic, improved SA. What do they know or see in the clip that most of us don't see?
For the past 24 years this has been the trend in this country and it is reaching new levels of absurdity eg you may now not call an African a 'Black' man.
@Sonnenrad Very true and if we dont get out of the victim mentality,our country is doomed to a civil war, and more.
Every time I go to Nandos and order lemon and herb I worry that I will be called racist for not going full peri peri extra hot.
huh?
Lol!!
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Lol😂😂😂😂
Same my guy , the guilt gets to much
yo bru i really like your channel!
Really wish more people in this country evaluated situations like this rather than lashing out
Quota selection or any other discriminatory selection will always have that problem - your achievements would be perceived as handed to you on a platter, even when your achievements are deserved on merit. These discriminatory policies are founded on good intentions, but they perpetuate in my opinion, an inferiority complex that weighs you down on your way out of misery.
I like the B.I.G poster in the background....Freddy Mercury is cool as well... Let me tell you what I don't like,Racism! It's so outdated. I actually don't have time to discuss race issues. Black; White; coloured; Indian....We're all human beings under one God. Let's learn a new language the language of love.
Good one for #1 on trending man ;)
#1 on trending pal! Go RG!!! Great vid
We as a nation cant fix what apartheid did by switching over to another version of apartheid - we need to work as a single nation and establish smart constructive debates - not fall back on sensationalism and media hype by screaming racism at every encounter. Thanks for the vids Renaldo - you are fighting a tough fight 😏
If they said something super racist.....why did the black lady not also leave or even mediate or even try defend Ashwin???
Well said mnr. At no stage whatsoever did Nick make any comment(on air) about Ashwins quota status. According to a source within the studio, Ashwin was late again for the umpteenth time, and Nick and Naas put him on the spot as a joke, and unfortunately Ashwin did not see it as such. Now 2 great commentators/analysts are being labeled as racits. Shocking !!!!!!!!
so glad this #1 on trending. tired of all the professional victims
The SAAAAARK's ........
Werner Gansert lmfao!!! That turd wasn't a good rugby player & sure as fuck not a great commentator
Yeah, we don't know the full story but people will always pick sides when it comes to race and what I see happening is sort of an echo chamber of people arguing with no real results.
Furthermore...what does his hissy fit have to do with disussing Rugby strategies?
You know...the reason why he's being paid a high class salary. Guy should suck it up and shed a tear in his expensive car.
Congrats Renaldo. You are the man
"Also please be sure" hahaha.
Nice videos mate.
The only thing that can happen now is the 3 of them apologizing for what happened on air and then sort outh the problem without the public opinion.
Why the 3 of them? As far as I can see the only one that acted unprofessionally is Ashwin Wilemse. He should be sacked. If it was Naas or Mallet that did that then they would have been sacked immediately.
That would be the best option. Keep it private, no need to drag the whole country into a private affair. It will just spark more "contriversies" that is taken out of context by the general public.
True, i just hope they keep private or this can bring a whole lot of crap that we can ill afford with the current problems we have.
Dale Westcott like Renaldo explained something happend off camra that triggered him. So we will never really know.
In my opinion he wasn't prepared look at his behaviour and body language when he was asked to comment he was winging it and when Naas and Nick sat there laughing at him looking like a toss he responded with anger and lashing out at them in the only way he knew how. I don't think this is a race thing but a lack of professional ethics thing
Hey Ranoldo, I just knew you were going to be on the ball, no pun intended, with this incident. I am subscriber because of your intellectual unbiased viewpoints which I have often said in your videos I agree with you despite us being a full generation apart. My 5cents worth - clearly Ashwin was upset, I could hear it in his voice. No we don't know what transpired before hand so nobody has the right to make any accusations regarding race or the analysts themselves whether you like their anayses or not. BUT I am here with one really overlooked aspect, the professional way the woman, should I ignite a rasist fact by adding her skin colour., handled the entire episode. Props to her, ma'am you deserve more recognition than being an anchor on Supersport Rugby. More than that it would be premature to add anything, but ensure that professional lady host gets acknowledged in her handling and defusing of such a volitile situation.
Politics are not about the truth, its about the perception of truth, thereby strengthening various political parties. The rest of us merely fall in line with the tunes of the Pied Piper.
You are so right, and the race card has been played by politicians for centuries and it has been the most effective tool used by governments to have millions of people killed who did not agree with them and if we look at the bigger picture we will realise that it is not even governments who are doing this but Those who are controlling governments.
Thumbs up renaldo. Well done for not being biased. It’s best not to assume anything without evidence and I look forward to hearing what exactly happened. Hope there is a follow up video
Nick and Naas were set up and they didn't realize it before it was too late.
Johan Jacobs 👍👍👍👍 yup
They called him a quota player, I mean thats pretty blatantly demeaning.
@@tmsphere Where did you hear that ,you seem to have an extended video we dont have or you sucking that out your thumb.Be factual pse.
Good, impartial video. too little evidence to be making judgements.
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Ai. I have no more words for these things... it is just a shame. I hope they dont remove any of the the panel members because i love their different opinions after a game.
They were just giving him a hard time as sports castors, he was asked a question that he immediately attempted to pass on to Naas and he shut it down, and he caved in a very inappropriate manner. As for the minister all i've got to say is SIT DOWN MAN.
Now we know what happened. It was the physical email that Mallet sent to Supersport. Why did he not just say he did not want to work with Willemse? Ashwin found out about the email before the show, working with a person that don't want to work with you. The rest is on television. But, few things I would love to know from Mallet
Did he see Ashwin incompetent?
Why did he not discuss it with Ashwin?
Why did he send a email to Supersport, knowing that it will get to Ashwin?
Did he expect Ashwin to overlook the email?
When you refer to quota players, it gives an indication there they were not selected by merit, rather skin colour.
Lastly, with quota players a world cup was won or were the quota players just sitting on the sideline?
That’s how it works. Always
Much better from you. We are so sick of being sorry for the color of our skin. Wish people in SA can start looking ahead instead of towards the past. The past will drag you down.
Easy for you to say if you were never affected by the past.
These people will never understand what black people through everyday because of "the past", which they are still benefitting from today. How do we look ahead, when we have nothing to look with?
Inga Dale .... those who live in the past have no future
white people will never see black people as people. lets just forget it. apartheid still exist and some people will remain racists, as they were before 1994. freedom for black people is just an idea, not a reality.
ONKE MATISO ... Freedom ... That's a utopian word, nobody has true freedom, it goes hand in hand with equality ... No such thing
Damn we geting on the trending tab well done
SUBSCRIBED!
I agree with your point 100%. You said that if any footage surface that NM and NB were racist you will apologise, but Renaldo I can guarantee you if there is footage or evidence that it was NOT a racist incident, there would be NO apologies from those who used the racist narrative.
Always likes to play the race card 😂
I was also really puzzled when I saw this clip from Supersport because I had no idea what it was about and there is no way to understand it by viewing the material...
Your unbiased perspective is very refreshing. Keep at it!
First of all this has nothing to do with Naas and Nick .It's all to do with AW turning a discussion into a race issue .The hostess had no issues with Naas or Nick just with AW since she still states this discussion was going great until snowflake AW sulked like a 2 year old boy and was very unprofessional .The hostess was fine with Naas and Nick even joking with them after spoilt brat walked off like a kid on the play ground .Nothing to with race at all .Fact 1 Naas and Nick have been saying this for years about Quotas being bad for SA sport cause this is what you get from it ,insecure black players not knowing if they are in teams on merit or just to fill the quota .This has been discuss for years ,nothing new .NZ ,Aus ,Eng ,France ,Ireland ,wales ,etc have been saying this for years that it would destroy SA rugby and it has.Choose players on Merit not colour .Keep our stupid Minsters out of sport cause ANC destroys everything they touch .Now just look how AW reacts ,like a 2 year old child ,when his opinion is challenge ,he reverts to bring in race .AW was a good rugby player agree ,but this is all thanks to a terrible system create by a pathetic government party the ANC .
Tyronne Jardim The Proteas seems to be handling the quota strategy better.
mlungisi manzini agree but what has happened in SA rugby is that majority of talented players have gone overseas for better pay and quota system has forced them to do so .How many Saffas do you see in other countries national teams compared to rugby .France ,Ireland ,Wales ,etc .Doesn't matter the colour of skin this quota system seems to be failing in Rugby .How is it doing in Soccer aswell .Seems only rugby and Cricket get the neck of it yet other sports don't ,why is that ?.
Look the sad thing is that he was (as good as he was) a quota player, just as he is a quota presenter, and I feel very sorry for those who really deserved to be in any position for that matter, and gets labeled a quota player. That is the danger of any quota system like affirmative action, and sports quota's, university quota's we will never know who really made it on their own, and who are just quota players. This also creates a false sense of achievement.
Stop all quota's, then each one make it on their own merit. This will be fair to all.
SO GOOD!!!
Thanks for this, my Facebook page is full of friends posting this, I scroll by as it isnt interesting to me, but I dont mind listening to you, explaining this hissy fit.
Hi, the problem with many white South Africans (including you) is that they don't want to admit that we are all different.
Stop saying things like "it's always about race in this country" or "it always comes down to the colour of your skin in South Africa".
The very FIRST step to moving forward as a country is by acknowledging each others differences because if we don't do that then we will never truly understand why others feel the way they feel.
Nonetheless thank you for an informative video.
The clip starts with the chair asking Ashwin his opinion of the game. He responds by sarcastically trying passing the question to Naas who tries, humorously, to fend it off by saying he used up all the time before the game (Naas acknowledging by inference that he may have hogged the mike either on or off air ...)
Nick then tries to shut the impending incident down by taking the ball away from both of them and provides - as usual - an articulate summary.
Ashwin waits calmly - too calmly - for Nick to finish and then deliberately 'throws his toys on air. During his toy-launching fest, he infers that Nick and Naas are racist, they played their rugby during apartheid, that they called him a quota, that Nick was laughing at him but, most telling of all, that he is glad that this happened on air.
The incident itself did not happen on air. His deliberate and racist response to whatever did happen was on air. He put it there.
He should be fired for this abuse of his position as a presenter to hijack the LIVE platform for his own racist agenda.
Should Nick and Naas be punished in any way, they should resign an d start their own channel or company. I would certainly support it just as I support the 1014 channel. I watch Nick and Naas because they are Nick and Naas, not because they are MNet.
William Botha yes 100% but guess what!? Minister of sport calling for Mallett's & Botha's suspension.... ;) whites really need to wake up fast because if this doesn't tug them to reality then I don't know what will.
Hoor! Hoor!
Shakiel Bapoo wow, really? You didn't perhaps notice that the sun was setting or did you just prefer to see it as players referring to blacks. You people will read racism into absolutely everything. Whites can't be confident & successful because to you that's "racist!" It really is truly pathetic, don't worry cupcake soon whites won't be allowed to play at international level so you can dry those tears. 100% black team, wouldn't that be great for you, no whites. But you black & so that isn't racism. Apparently
He said they played during apartheid. He said that he is more than a quota and earned his respect. What is racist in his comments?
The mere fact that he had to bring up 'apartheid' and the fact they (Nick and Naas) played during that time makes it race based comment. The fact that he brought up "quota", which infers that he was labelled as playing only because of the colour of his skin, makes it a race based comment and already starts an "I'm the victim" thing. Let's say someone like Xola Ntsinga or Owen Nkomane (apologies if I spell these two *excellent* commentators' names or surnames wrong) was there, would he still have done what he did? No, he saw an ideal time to play the 'blame it on apartheid' card.
I will be the first to condemn Nick and Naas if there was really something sinister going on (we'll have to wait and see) but regardless of what transpired 'off-screen', what happened 'on-screen' was completely unprofessional and unbecoming of someone on live TV.
Quota system is crap the best team should play. Quota system should stop the best team should play. We are already seeing rugby having a huge financial loss.
Quota system: where is that in our soccer ? That will never be answered. But in all other SA sport it becomes a major issue
What on earth is happening in our society? Let's just play and have the best play!!
This our keemstar keep the good work up
I’m impressed...a balanced view on the incident. Such an approach will bring us closer to true reconciliation!
Well, you dont have to say anything to be racist. Your action and attitude when you intract with other individuals might slightly highlight your true beliefs. And yes this applies to all races, (grey, purple....)
BS, people are snowflakes nowadays. If you see in any action racial undertones the chance will be high that you are the racist.
+Kurtis Black So in other words you don't even need to say or do anything wrong, other people will decide on your behalf that they can read your mind and tell you what you believe. Absolutely pathetic. If you think you can read minds and it turns out that everyone whose mind you read is a racist, maybe you're the one with the problem.
Kurtis Black spoken like a good little commie robot
What actually happened; Presenter asks Ashwin for input- as usual Ashwin doesn't really have much to add apart from stating the obvious..he was lost for words ( something that Naas and Mallet don't experience ) mumbling and not being prepared- he then asks Naas for his opinion, hoping he takes the bait and Naas couldn't help himself..instead of Ashwin not taking himself so seriously.. he feels like a tit and pulls the race card, but in the back of his mind knowing fully well he's not a real analyst. It was a coward move! BUT he'll be praised for calling out a bunch of old white guys from the Springbok apartheid era. It is a case of feeling inferior when you're out of your depth. Ashwin made a mistake ;))) Ash for the new EFF leader.
Well said. Ash is good at touch screens and stating the obvious.
All of this for a game where you throw a ball around. No wonder we are headed nowhere as a country.
I don't know what to say, so here's an Apple pie recipe
Ingredients
Dough:
2 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
4 teaspoons sugar
1/4 teaspoon fine salt
14 tablespoons cold butter, diced
1 large egg, lightly beaten with 2 tablespoons cold water
Filling:
2 tablespoons freshly squeezed lemon juice
3 pounds baking apples like Golden Delicious, Cortland, or Mutsu
2/3 cup sugar, plus more for sprinkling on the pie
1/4 cup unsalted butter
1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon
Generous pinch of ground nutmeg
1 large egg, lightly beaten
Directions
Make the dough by hand. In a medium bowl, whisk together the flour, sugar, and salt. Using your fingers, work the butter into the dry ingredients until it resembles yellow corn meal mixed with bean sized bits of butter. (If the flour/butter mixture gets warm, refrigerate it for 10 minutes before proceeding.) Add the egg and stir the dough together with a fork or by hand in the bowl. If the dough is dry, sprinkle up to a tablespoon more of cold water over the mixture.
Make the dough in a food processor. With the machine fitted with the metal blade, pulse the flour, sugar, and salt until combined. Add the butter and pulse until it resembles yellow corn meal mixed with bean size bits of butter, about 10 times. Add the egg and pulse 1 to 2 times; don't let the dough form into a ball in the machine. (If the dough is very dry add up to a tablespoon more of cold water.) Remove the bowl from the machine, remove the blade, and bring the dough together by hand.
Form the dough into a disk, wrap in plastic wrap and refrigerate until thoroughly chilled, at least 1 hour.
Make the filling. Put the lemon juice in a medium bowl. Peel, halve, and core the apples. Cut each half into 4 wedges. Toss the apple with the lemon juice. Add the sugar and toss to combine evenly.
In a large skillet, melt the butter over medium-high heat. Add the apples, and cook, stirring, until the sugar dissolves and the mixture begins to simmer, about 2 minutes. Cover, reduce heat to medium-low, and cook until the apples soften and release most of their juices, about 7 minutes.
Strain the apples in a colander over a medium bowl to catch all the juice. Shake the colander to get as much liquid as possible. Return the juices to the skillet, and simmer over medium heat until thickened and lightly caramelized, about 10 minutes.
In a medium bowl, toss the apples with the reduced juice and spices. Set aside to cool completely. (This filling can be made up to 2 days ahead and refrigerated or frozen for up to 6 months.)
Cut the dough in half. On a lightly floured surface, roll each half of dough into a disc about 11 to 12 inches wide. Layer the dough between pieces of parchment or wax paper on a baking sheet, and refrigerate for at least 10 minutes.
Place a rack in the lower third of the oven and preheat the oven to 375 degrees F.
Line the bottom of a 9-inch pie pan with one of the discs of dough, and trim it so it lays about 1/2 inch beyond the edge of the pan. Put the apple filling in the pan and mound it slightly in the center. Brush the top edges of the dough with the egg. Place the second disc of dough over the top. Fold the top layer of dough under the edge of the bottom layer and press the edges together to form a seal. Flute the edge as desired. Brush the surface of the dough with egg and then sprinkle with sugar. Pierce the top of the dough in several places to allow steam to escape while baking. Refrigerate for at least 15 minutes.
Bake the pie on a baking sheet until the crust is golden, about 50 minutes. Cool on a rack before serving. The pie keeps well at room temperature (covered) for 24 hours, or refrigerated for up to 4 days.
Cook's Note: You may freeze the uncooked pie, but don't brush it with egg or dust it with sugar beforehand. Place the pie in the freezer for 30 minutes, to harden it slightly, and then double wrap it with plastic wrap. Freeze for up to 6 months. When ready to bake, unwrap the pie and brush it with egg and sprinkle with sugar. HBake, from the frozen state, until golden brown, about 1 hour and 10 minutes
Fact is their are Snowflakes everywhere.Sensitivity trumps all .Just a bunch of babies everywhere .AW is jealous and sulks like a 2 year old on tv .Kids do this .
😂😂😂. And then people still think I've lost my mind by immigrating to Nigeria. O my soul, I'm still trying to decide if this is funny or pathetic.
good bye
lesley seriti , we will see if you cockiness still exist in 10 years time.....
What ended up coming out ?
There is a longer version of the clip aswell which makes his outburst even weirder.
Let's not forget that Ashwin told us that South Africa can become the best rugby team in Africa. His commentary in general is laughable. No wonder the panel thinks he is a joke.
I bet you're white..
MultiTYSON007 I bet you're always offended by facts
MultiTYSON007 I bet you want to be to
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2018 - Black Privilege
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Don't forget Ashwin's black privilege with BEE tenders worth ridiculous millions of rands and how his company pays off gangsters
You need to think before you speak OR sit down and keep quiet.
why becz he speaking the truth
LOL What truth? Please enlighten us?
Warren here and very well said , I am dumbfounded that the minister made those comments. The damage that can do for Rugby as a sport it's not just South African ppl watching , we have ppl worldwide watching . What Willemse did was very unprofessional and this matter could of been handed in a lot more professional way once the facts and all the facts laid out on the table . Then a coarse of action can be taken . For the ppl jumping to conclusions YOU ARE THE FOOLS AND IN DOING SO YOU FUELING A VERY DANGEROUS FIRE .......
GREAT CLIP AND A AWESOME OUTLOOK U HAVE
THANKS WAZZA
WOW - *>350'000 calls* to this video... you´ve reached more than you ever thought you will! congrats
I agree with everything you're saying but i think something that needs to be taken into consideration is that someone doesn't have to state something explicitly racist in order for it to have racial undertones. On many occasions people of colour are undermined or patronised or not held at high regard. We as observers can't undermine his experience just because... well we personally didn't experience it. That being said no one should be jumping the gun without understanding the context first.
Myra Emily-Neheng why higher regard. Are you stating that black people are to be regarded higher than everyone else?
Myra Emily-Neheng oh for heavens sake, now with your logic everyone is going to be too afraid to speak their mind and so society turns into a bunch of two faced back stabbers and passive aggressive ponies.... seriously "not held at higher regard". You live in a wonderful fairytale girl. Everyone must learn to control their emotions and stop being immature little babies, WERE ADULTS FOR HEAVENS SAKE
I agree with Mr. 666 - I posted something similar on another video - I hate to speculate without facts, but I suspect Ashwhine had a severe over-reaction to something Naas or Nick said off the cuff without any ill-intent. I mean - surely, as white men Naas and Nick won't be so daft to be openly racist to a person of colour in current day South Africa. He just had to remind everyone that he was a very big victim. His skin colour says so. He had it very difficult, the poor thing. Instead of speaking to Naas or Nick about it man-to-man or going to SuperSport's HR like a mature professional, he elected to toss all of his toys out of his cott at once on live national television. What a laughing stock. Behaving like a pimpled-face pubescent teenager. He just needs to put his big boy pants on and behave like an adult. On an unrelated note, Boere vir Satan - sacrificed any cats recently? ;)
Myra Emily-Neheng oh please, don't speak on behalf of other people....everyone really needs to get a thicker skin. Imo, if no one is outright stating that I'm a coole to my face or that because the gupta's are Indian therefore I'm a shyster, there's no reason for me to cause a big huff about what some rando is saying about me. And if someone is being blatantly racist to you, just tell them to fuck off and get on with your day. You're not going to change their opinion by using this group think nonsense or trying to eliminate racism even if some off hand remark is being misinterpreted.
Myra Emily-Neheng lmao as an ADULT, I have to suck it daily that I'm simply another cog in a machine. My skin colour cannot be my be all, end all. So according to your assessment every time I'm in a public space (at work or social etc) & someone interrupts me, disagrees with me, laughs at something I say I must have a tantrum & pull out the race card!? Pathetic!!
Rascism....rascism everywhere
We Are Legion #for the Brotherhood how do u know?
flying angler sarcasm
Where did you buy that Freddie Mercury poster on the wall?
What do you call it
Ek weti meer nie..
Where is Ashwin today, where is Nick & Naas today? Time revealed the truth.
A good non biased way to look at it and try to iron things out.
Come on SA. One love
Let us all reserve judgement until we have all the facts! That is all I have to say.
Poor guy has been bullied for a long time he is venting
There's no evidence of that. If he has a problem with his employers or coworkers, he should discuss it with management. If management doesn't want to listen, he should quit.
LOL bullied for a long time?
The tree of multiculturalism is bearing fruits I see. . . Why do liberals believe that vastly different cultures and belief systems can live together in harmony? Where is multiculturalism working effectively where there are no severe problems? There are parts of Sweden - the most multicultural country in Europe - where you have the military and police patrolling the streets with automatic weapons to uphold the peace. There are frequently cases in the US where black Americans take to the streets and vandalise property and loot shops. Even on the African continent different tribes of people who look identical detest each other - ethnic cleansing is a word thrown around on way too many occasions. Multiculturalism is such a fallacy.
No
The Thinker I agree a 1000%. And the lonney left think we need more multiculturalism. The most peaceful countries currently are the culturally homogeneous countries.
Fully agree. Multiculturalism does not work. South Africa is collapsing before my very eyes
What rubbish. Millions of people EVERY SINGLE DAY wake up and have perfectly civilized interactions with people from other races WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. Media does not report on that because it doesn't sell. Don't believe the hype dude - most people get on fine. Keep Thinking.
The Thinker-You are presenting situations without giving context. The problem with promoting the opposite of multiculturalism is that you will have some idiot somewhere thinking they are the master race and actively oppressing people based on ridiculous assumptions. I have to agree with Peter Nel. Do you complain about other people of colour who stay around you on a daily basis? if not, then it is the media!
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Can't wait for Super Rugby on Monday evening.