"Health Care" (Minus Health, Care) | a Detrans Story with Camille Kiefel
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Camille Kiefel struggled with psychological and physical health issues growing up, then in college found Women's Studies and through that began to process her issues through a gender lens, leading to her eventual mastectomy, which supposedly would "affirm" her "non-binary" identity. Turns out that was a load of bull, and she's now trying to hold the health care system to account. Find her on youtube at
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To have an uncomfortable relationship with your body in teen years is the most normal feeling. Your body changes without your approval or consent and you generally feel awkward, highly critical of this strange body that demands so much from you! This ought to be explained to youngsters and also that this is just a phase and there is nothing wrong with them.
Nah, it really isn't. So people who didn't have "body issues" as teens are not reacting properly? "Body issues" are put into social sphere and people, youth especially, react to them, and yeah this is increasing every decade for the last 80 years. By design imo..
I didn't have so much an issue with my body, but an issue with where I fit in socially. I really wanted to be a skater chick, even though I didn't know how to skateboard. But, I loved the aesthetic and embarrassed myself by all of a sudden showing up to school wearing grungy clothes and converse sneakers. I got teased relentlessly all day because it was so out of left field and I didn't even hang out with skaters.
Agree, but now they have the added pressure of social media influencers and indoctrination, as well as counselors and medical professionals that believe in gender identity ideology. Rough world to grow up in.
@@socialmoth4974 It's really tough not to fit in, but in choosing to be different you displayed strength of character, integrity, authenticity and independent thought. Most people go through life, and never find those qualities. Hang onto them! x
Yes, but if the so called professionals do this, the big Farma won't be happy
Woman is an adult human female. That’s it.
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Every detrans story helps put out the message to others that they are not alone.
This is why I don't believe in "live and let live" around the trans issue. Therapists misdiagnosing and giving bad advice to mentally vulnerable individuals isn't acceptable
Exactly.
Absolutely agree.
Therapists don't diagnose.
@@kezzokav5905 Yes they do.
@@kezzokav5905 doctors then, it doesn't change the point
When I was around 13, I went from being completely flat to having DDD+ size breasts even though I’ve always been very thin. I hated them so much that I often said I wish I could cut them off. I tried to get a breast reduction early on but no surgeon would operate on me until I was 25. I would have 100% gotten wrapped up in this ideology if it was around when I was a teenager/young adult, not only to take advantage of the fact that I could remove my breasts with no pushback, but for lots of other reasons (I’m autistic, was gender nonconforming, etc).
How do you feel right now about it?
I've read yoir kind of reaction numerous times now in comments sections of YT. It seems fairly common.
If you don't mind being asked, was the worst part for you that the attention it garnered felt humiliating (both neutral attention and sexual attention)? Do you think it would have been completely fine if you developed size B at first, or say if it took 4 years to slowly advance through the sizes as opposed to so suddenly "strike" to DDD?
Then also, what did it take (or how long did it take) to eventually grow comfortable with them or even come to appreciate them?
@@jtzoltan I won't answer for her, but I just want to share mine. I'm also sex stereotype nonconforming and was dysphoric but only have small breasts. If it was any bigger, I would've hated it too. But the funny thing was, back then, even having small breasts made me feel like I wasn't enough of a girl so I could have easily thought I was meant to be a boy. I didn't think that way though but when elliot page came out, I played with that idea a bit. A few years after and by 25, I simply felt at peace with my body somehow. This was at a time when I dropped social media so I generally stopped caring about other people's perceptions.
I'm a woman and the idea of losing my breasts horrifies me. And I haven't always liked my breasts.
sorry bigot I think a 13yo can make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their life. they obviously understand the gravity of repeatedly undergoing surgeries to fix strictures and fistulas.
Same.
It horrifies me too. I'm so glad I grew up in an earlier era. When ever I hear about young(and not so young) women cutting their breasts off I get tearful.
I always , as long as I can remember, have had a deep respect for my body. Not because of the girl, woman issue but because it was so darn good to me. I was an idiot at times how I have treated it yet it has always come through for me. Not that I haven’t had some fairly serious health issues but it tries so hard to swing back around. I was quite disappointed with the onset of puberty because I felt things were just fine so why fix something that ain’t broke. Adjusted to that change and have carried on.
It is horrifying. I couldn’t imagine loosing them even though they aren’t perky anymore. They are a great part of our woman hood and fed our children.
I went to the Portland Women's Center in 1974 with my husband and three year old. I thought it was for people, including enlightened men and innocent children. Then, after the event a woman told me I was "sleeping with the enemy" and that men, including my young son were not welcome. I told her, "Fuck you!" and I left. I still consider myself a second wave feminist, but my feminism includes male allies and lots of other folks. It's about opening, not slamming the doors. Yes, toxic men need to be dealt with, but the other half of humanity cannot be shut out. Neither men or women are going anywhere.
Toxic people in general need to be dealt with. Nothing feminist about that - just get rid of shit stirring people.
Amazing the time and energy wasted on attacking their own allies in many so-called "progressive" organizations instead of encouraging unity to make the world better. Not one group I encountered for any progressive cause (except one for the rights of Native Americans) from the late 60s to the present was free of this toxicity and censorship of speech. Anyone who had a different opinion or did not blindly follow the "leadership" wound up being trashed. In some cases members were pushed to the edge mentally and those with a fragile sense of self were broken down and bullied. Many of these groups, feminist and others, self-destructed or are now lost in identity politics. And still eating their own. Idealistic and/or confused young people are being brainwashed and manipulated into this insane gender ideology cult. Hopefully people like Camille will be able to help expose this.Thank you Camille and all the other brave de-transitioners for speaking out! I still have hopes that people who want to effect positive change will break free of this toxic, regressive ideology and behavior, form better organizations and actually do some good! 🤞
@@Music_Lover26 Absolutely right!
Camille comes across like a cool tomboy who wasn't allowed to just be a tomboy.
This. I was a proper tomboy when I was younger and 100% would have fallen into this ideology if i were younger, scary.
I'm in the last year of a 4 year Bachelor of Science in Naturopathy. So glad you found how awesome diet and lifestyle modifications can help your health return 😀
The gut -brain axis is very involved with mental health conditions 😉
Edit: Naturopathy is now an evidence based profession using herbs , supplements, diet, lifestyle to treat our patients. We just are not as reductionist as Doctors are and we focus on treating the whole body mentally, emotionally and physically ( holistically) and root cause not just treating and /or supressing the symptoms with pharmaceuticals.
I've been watching all these transition and detransition video as I imaging I will have many clients in the future dealing with the health issues that come with hormone blockes, cross sex hormones, and surgeries, and I want to have a better understanding of what they've gone through
❤️😻
Thank you 😊
Big love from Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️
@mynx I've had neuropathy in my feet for about 10 years. No pain just numbness. I've been checked by neurologists and looked for a cause but no luck. Where can I go from here, do you have any specific dietary recommendations, I'm starting to wonder if it could be related to poor gut health.
@@sharonschieber Thank you for your question :)
Sorry to hear that you've been struggling with that for years. And yes its very highly possible there is a link . You could start looking into probiotics , but you need to clean up your diet from processed and refined foods. Whole foods , grains, lots of fruits and vegetables, oily fish , small amounts of meat. As the food you eat is used to feed the stomachs microbiome and the crappy food inhibits the growth of the microbiome. Our microbiome is also involved in making neurotransmitters our brains need to function optimally, so that's why they call it the gut-brain axis.
Tbh it would be unethical of me to recommend anything specific with out doing a 90 minute consultation and fully taking your whole case from birth til now.
I suggest finding a Naturopath in your area. Unfortunately I'm in Australia . But I'm sure you could find a great one close to where you live. And they will be able to find the best strain of probiotic for your condition 😀
@@mynx6969 don't worry Kellie jay keen is going to Australia get out there and support her it's time to stop this gender cult nightmare once and for all everyone needs to hear Detrans.
Totally normal, being aware of your breasts and hating it, when you are young. I recollect this. In the 90s we just wore over sized jumpers and hunched a little to minimise their appearance.
Thank you Camille for not only speaking up but also sueing. You are doing something so important. And thanks to Benjamin for bringing these conversations to the public.
How come it has become so difficult to be a normal person without therapy, medication or some weird practice like cold showers, standing on your head, meditation etc? I don't do any of those, or a special diet of any kind. And I'm fine. It seems that people like me are a real rarity.😐
Because contemporary Western culture is driving a lot of people insane. We now need interventions to stay sane.
I am the same way. Having a close bond with family, friends, and/or the community at large goes a long way with keeping a person grounded and happy. If an individual doesn't have that, they seem more likely to feel lonely and unhappy. It's much easier to seek out medication than it is to remedy loneliness. Avoiding addiction to substances (food, alcohol, drugs) and corrosive lifestyles (addiction to social media and the internet) goes a long way as well.
Hey! Don't knock standing on your head until you've tried it. I stand on my head everyday for an hour and all of my psychological problems and memories (traumatic and otherwise) seem to magically disappear.for the rest of the day.
In part, because people are being raised on social media. It’s not good for children, and it often keeps adults in a childlike mentality. Especially women.
@@Florida_Woman Men are just as childlike, forever attached to their computer games and skateboards or whatever.
It is SO important to hear stories from detrans nonbinary people. Thank you for using your platform and for always listening. You speak softly and calmly and I greatly appreciate that about this channel.
I went through a brief period of gender dysphoria that was directly connected to the years of CSA I went through. My theory is gender dysphoria is just a symptom of trauma and other mental health issues.
I disagree. We didnt have an epidemic of youth mental health issues before the 1960's.
The kids getting caught up in gender dysphoria are usually the autistic, and "unpopular" kids, they are also usually kids from rich or middle class backgrounds and privilege.
We know sexual abuse rates are much higher in African American and native communities, but they have much lower rates of gender dysphoria.
In 3rd world countries where SA is rife, gender dysphoria is unheard of, It has been known for thousands of years that young people going through puberty can experience sadness,and depression but its usually a phase and kids mature out of it. Our kids are being brainwashed that their problems are caused by other people, or their bodies, when 99% of the time its just a normal part of growing up.
@@tubester4567 I definitely disagree with you. Nobody ever told me anything - the concept of gender dysphoria was not even known to me in the early 90's in Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic, yet I did not want to have a female body because to me female body = sexual abuse. I don't really know what you disagree with me on. The other stuff you said had literally nothing to do with what I said.
@@insidiousmischka imo there's an overlap. The symptom can appear in various situations (sa, autism, trauma, social pressure..) and is not tied to one specific situation/trauma (similar to PTSD, it doesn't only appear in war zones).
Many who undergo "transition" do have a history of childhood abuse, along with autism and other comorbities. See tavistock case.
@@tubester4567 3rd world countries may have high levels of SA, but most people have a sense of belonging to a wider community consisting of extended family and local social structures. The sense of disconnection described by these youngsters could be related to social isolation and other issues, including autism. I don't think it's accurate to state that developmentally disabled kids who are socially isolated and sometimes in need of more parental input are privileged. The blame belongs fully at the feet of the psychopaths and their cohorts who advocate the mutilation and desecration of young bodies, and those who rubberstamp it into clinical practice and law.
1:02:02 This is a great example of why I don't trust anyone about nutrition. Apparently "seed oils" are bad. Should I only eat bacon grease? It certainly tastes better.
Hilariously, Camille said the same thing a few seconds later. Now I know that she doesn't know any more about nutrition than I do. I will continue to use bacon grease, butter, olive oil and other fats as they make sense to me.
She was diagnosed with ADHD when she was 7?! She was programmed to analyse her problems as medical and biological from an early age.
Seems to me pretty much everyone's getting diagnosed with AD(H)D these days. Gotta sell those pills
IKR. I’m dyslexic & likely diagnosable as adhd but the advice I’d give anybody with these problems is focus on what you’re good at & be around people who enjoy you & you’ll probably turn out better than the average person bc we’re usually pretty charismatic anyway.
@@SpocksBro ADHD and Autism diagnosis are handed out like flyers of carnival. Only in the west.
@@awkwardly_me Oh, ok. Nothing to see here. Medicate child so other people won't see them as a problem. Good idea.🙄
@@awkwardly_me By normalizing ADHD diagnosis, you are neutralizing medicating children. Where else will diagnosis lead except to treatment?
My brothers were analysed as ADHD and given speed, this was in the 70s. They were perfectly normal. But at least they were teenagers.
Gender-ideology creating gender-dysphoria.. What an interesting memeplex...
It takes a brave person to stand up and recognize our vulnerabilities and weaknesses. This is what an honest brave person looks like. Incidentally I find Roman Catholicism offers the only radically consistent worldview and psychology on the planet. Sanity.
As a therapist I am so glad that I chose not to work with this population because you can be sued for questioning their mental competence and can also get sued if you "affirm" their mental illness. It is a lose lose for therapists. I hope she is suing the MD that performed the surgery too.
There is good reason to strive for balance in your life, physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually.
Benjamin brought wonderful levity to this interview.
Thank you for sharing Camille! I appreciate your openness.
Camille, if you are open to a recommendation, I think you’d love Andrew Huberman’s podcast. You can listen on CZcams, it’s called “The Huberman Lab” and he has some profound insight for optimizing well-being.
One of my favorite episodes is an interview with Alia Crum, who specializes in mindset research.
So much of what you’ve talked about during this Calmversation reflects a fundamental change in mindset and developing a stronger sense of autonomy and personal power through discipline.
(Plus Dr. Huberman loves Wim Hof, so you have that in common!)
Yes, Hubermans channel is an excellent find imo
When healthcare and party politics integrate, perception of reality become more distorted and healthcare can easily become final solutions.
Medical Lysenkoism.
The teacher who openly degraded this young woman when she was in grade school (assuming this is a true story, and I have no reason to doubt it) should have been terminated. While at will employment mostly evades academia, that should have been dealt with.
Great sales pitch for homeschooling.
I've noticed a common story with elementary aged children abused by a teacher (sometimes teachers encouraging other students to follow suite) and put on behavioral "medicine".
I was never socialized with my peers appropriately. From 6 or 7 years old I felt I was tainted.
When are we going to have the conversation about how liberal women are ruining everyone’s lives? I’m a democrat so I’m not right wing but this is a very clear pattern.
You can’t ask that question without sacrificing that assertion.
Apparently they're highly programmable.
I first saw Camille when she spoke at a couple different state medical board hearings on children trans medicalization. This was a great chat with her. She's a well spoken and charismatic woman in the detrans community.
"Seeing things abstractly" = "living in a fantasy world."
Her opening statement highlights just how much the so called experts and adults have let down a whole generation we have stopped acting like the adults should we now seem to be more concerned with appearing woke and or caring all short term views rather than long term thinking, we are confusing children with unlimited genders and also we tell them that if they are uncomfortable in their teenage body they are probably trans and we can fix them, most people are uncomfortable as a teenager as your body and identity go through huge changes that you may not want or have any control over but you have to go through to develop in to an adult but we sell them the lie that we can stop this for them we have let our children down badly all to make us feel better about how much of a good person we are
How many times can one person say “like” in a conversation? Good lord.
Thank you for sharing!! 🙏🏼
she is right drop the canola get the olive , not even close
Canola oil is basically an industrial product, not beneficial for human consumption.
I wonder if she went through better help, Tru-U and Kaiser Permanente (East-Gate/Gender Pathways) as well being a Oregonian... I'd like to talk to her. I had the same experience.
edit: Yep, this is with Kaiser Permanente's 'Gender Pathways'. Top and Bottom surgery are covered under medicaid but not anything else. Lots of push to go on 'higher doses' of the drugs as well and surgery.
@17:38 Those are gender neutral traits, it's just that women are more likely to do it obliquely or behind the victims back (catty). Men are often more overt and more likely to do it in front of an audience (confrontational). Both sexes shame women about the things men tend to value them for (like being sexual and attractive) and shame men for the things women tend to value them for (their ability to protect and provide resources, and the associated satus symbols).
As an electronic technician, I've been at earth ground potential for 8 hours a day for many years. I gotta tell ya', I don't think it helps inflammation much 😉
You seem to be a well grounded person though,
@@tubester4567 There needs to be a rim shot emoji for times like this.
One of the few downsides of being old is how difficult it is to listen to young people when they say 'like' constantly. I really want to hear her story but am struggling to get beyond the verbal tic. This isn't a criticism of her or anyone else.... I wish I could get past the 'likes'. Any other oldies managed it? Any tips?
I tune it out. It is hard to tune out vocal fry for me, though. Once you're aware of it, it's going to annoy the hell out of you. My pet peeve is hearing servers say, "no problem" instead of "you're welcome".
I'm not English native and it is quite bothersome, I notice. "And what not" is another one.
What kind of therapist believes in "otherkin"? SMH
the same ones who promote "furries"
28:52 Sertraline is the generic name for Zoloft.
My favorite part of Benjamin Boyce's videos are those moments when he pretends to have a room temperature IQ. Like 27:48 to 28:27. Comedic genius every time.
So her trauma started all the way when she was 5 because her parents divorced. Yet there's a real push to destroy the Nuclear family. We need to push back.
Really familiar, but still interesting and oddly encouraging that just watching red-pilling CZcamsrs was enough to set the ball rolling in the other direction. It just shows how much of the impulse for transition is about swimming in the ideology of the tribe.
Think for yourself and question authority
hi benjamin. with this interview you seemed a bit…quick and less careful with your questioning, as well as a bit irritated? Not that there is anything wrong with that. just wanted to mention that i noticed it. most times you’re extremely careful. anyways, much love. please keep doing this work.
I noticed too, not quite as "calm." Mabye its because he seems to have a cold. Still great and necessary content though.
This was our third interview , previous two were shelved due to technical difficulties. I usually get a bit rascally after getting familiar with someone. Good eye on you.
OMG Benjamin Boyce, you have to have Wim Hof on your show - it would be such a trip!
When I hear these stories from women, my main question is: Where were their MOTHERS?
My mom was an abusive alcoholic and even she wouldn't have allowed me to chop my boobs off. I feel horrible for these detransitioners. They were even more emotionally neglected than I was, somehow...
I fixed almost 30 yrs of depression by going on Keto
@@dumbstudent7673 if cooking is too much think about starting with supplements. Look into zink, magnesium, b12. L-tryptophane is another one that has helped me a lot with my focus and emotional regulation.
If you have ADHD you're probably deficient in at least some of those even when you're levels are technically within range. We tend to have a much higher demand.
I struggle with cooking as well, but I can always manage to throw some eggs or steak in a pan. I cook everything in butter or olive oil. Good fats and proteins are your friends with ADHD.
For me, it was cannabis and alcohol and exercise. But whatever works for you.
@@johannespilvikukka6003 my husband has found Cannabis and exercise quite helpful
My younger son age mid 30s went from antidepressants (we have it in the family genetics) to keto. Never looked back.
@@carolynbrightfield8911 in my family tree too. Lots of depression, bipolar, anxiety and schizophrenia, unfortunately.
Great interview! Aside from exceeding the recommended "Likes Per Minute" limit. 😉
She's such a fantastic person. I love her.
PS: Great calmversation! 😄👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I really like your guest! 😊
Hope to see Gabor Matė on here too!
Good interview. She seems to have come around
Way on the right track with diet. Very overlooked by the medical field.
Great conversation.
They catch these kids at their weakest. Kids (inc young adults) should be treated as such. These children are being introduced into very complex adult ideas without any barriers, even encouraged. Children need to be stabilised by society so they can rebel in their own authentic generational way. This manipulation is perverse & only now I’m 35 do I understand how cruel adults can be to children & young people & it’s a conscious choice!
Is 'psychosomatic fever' one of those 'Categories' in the DSM?
There was another video not too long ago with a detransitioner who mentioned having Raynaud's and getting body work done for scarring. Anybody else remember this? Or maybe Camille has been interviewed before and I'm just not finding the video?
Great interview. Camille is a fun conversationalist.
Psychosomatic Fever... Sounds like a dance move. LOL. This is why one watches. The Humor
"They transitioned me to something that doesn't exist."
Thank you for sharing 🙏🏼
Dog barking is horrible. Irritating.
4:37 I know of a woman who wanted to have smaller boobs but doesn't mean she wanted to be the opposite sex. I'm curious why don't doctors just offer breast reduction surgeries for patients who are specifically distressed about that part because I do know there are women out there who doesn't see such surgery as "transitioning" but know that it will still ease their discomfort. This whole treatment being advertised as "transitioning" should stop misleading future patients that they have to be the opposite sex in order to ease their distress. It should be treated like any cosmetic surgeries that makes someone feel good about themselves.
For my national pride: Wim Hof is Dutch, not Scandinavian. 😛
Lol if it ain't dutch, it ain't much. Fellow dutchie here 🥳🌷
Kipper snacks are good. They used to have flavors like honey mustard and hot and spicey but I've not seen those in yrs.
Pescatarian isn’t “just eating fish”, it means the only animal flesh you eat is fish/seafood - not it’s the only thing you eat 🤦♂️
Obviously she meant the only 'meat' she ate was fish.
Wow first
Cat video w trans Easter egg, great concept !
@muskeptic sometimes ... That is only because The Kitty wanted to give you the spotlight 🐱
Well. I mean it’s the dominant ideology it can’t be all bad….wtf are you saying?
I think he was goofing around and expected her to goof back.. In another comment, he said it was their 3rd interview due to technical difficulties and he was squirrely
Please cover the fallacy of abortion being health care someday.
Look I'm not into woowoo leftistism but there are literally pregnancies that will result in the death of the women if she doesn't terminate. There are cases of incest where the baby will be highly deformed. So yeah abortion literally is healthcare if you understand women's health.
@@lolalaise4530 That doesn't cover the vast majority that have no complications. Do you sweep them under the same rug? Be honest.
@@chrisazure1624 that's not what I'm arguing, I'm arguing that abortion is to be classified as healthcare. Those women who get multiple abortions and act like it's nothing are definitely part of the problem.
@@lolalaise4530 I don't argure that some abortions are not necessary as healthcare, but they can be qualified as such while acknowledging the majority are for non-healthcare reasons.
Ooh. Lol. I've got the impression feom other videos that this is a topic he'd like to stay away from.
1:05:45 They're both wrong. Wim Hof is Dutch.
The [effects of a cult-ure of radical narcissism.
1:07:00 Who was the control?
Would be awesome if you’d get Wim Hof on the podcast! Oh, and btw he’s Dutch! And really cool 😎 Pun intended 😁👋🏼
Earthing gives you lots of energy
52:09 it's technically different for each woman, granted, but it isn't infinitely flexible.
Being a woman means it is within predefined bounds which do not intersect with a man's. That's what feminists are running from.
Comment!
When will people start having their stomachs removed because they get hungry.
Ray Peat is the one you want to talk to for the seed oil thing
Too bad he died a month or so back :(
Thanks for sharing Camille. Squirrel Approved .
I had a very large breasted friend who got pennies tossed at her by men when she was twelve. Every woman, whether large or small breasted gets hassled by men. So...some women just don't want to be bothered. They get them removed. Done! End of problem. Now, a new, much bigger problem. I wish Camille had been taught to revel in her body, enjoy her giggling top and the rest of her wonderful body. So sad, Wish I had known her. Girl, you are blessed! She would not have believed me.
I dont believe that "every woman gets hassled by men" I've heard women complain they are "invisible to men" when they are overweight and when they reach about 45, and plenty of girls who say they were not popular in school. Most of these girls who get caught up in the trans/nonbinary thing are not the popular girls, they are usually the kids with autism, and unpopular kids with poor social skills.
Like this girl in the video, feminist/LGBT ideologues brainwash girls to hate men and blame men for everything. The girl even said how her teacher said "If you have depression or mental; health problems its because of sexism and the patriarchy". Kids are being psychologically abused by woke-left radicals in education, and its a disgrace.
So, it's the ultimate giving in to male power, no more breasts = no more pennies. How sad to give into the ultimate dominatiom a nd feel successful / happy about it.
@@tubester4567 Agreed. Woke radicals have no place in education.
@@carolynbrightfield8911 Right. Most young women these days are starting Onlyfans and picking up the pennies.
Has anyone ever discussed the virtues of the Roman Republic with her?
Quite lovely person or this is lucky moment with her.
Benjamin an Audience…. Please read After the Ball… note the authors…. Their college and degrees… understanding this is the play book for changes the society to accept lgbtq2splus. They tell the scripted way it was going to be done. Very good book to understand how they used tv etc. also we fail to understand our body parts are given to is for a purpose and all serve a purpose.
"Go touch grass!!"
I’m sorry but miss girl did not blame pescatarianism 😭
8:58 yeah... that's called the "slippery slope". Almost exactly what conservatives predicted.
Weird, right?
What's the hole in the logic?
29:54 TIL that Wolverine is real.
quartering is boring
Had to stop listening. The amount of times she says “like” is just too much.
2 points:
1 - Benjamin keeps saying "what was done to Camille" - I can't help but wonder if you can state it that way when she was a full grown adult when she underwent surgery. Not to minimize any of the problems with medical side of things but.. I find it somewhat dismissive of her own responsability.
2 - The problem with Camille going on tucker Carlson is that it was a 3 min "piece", there no in-depth conversation. It serves his purposes much more than hers, I believe. Not to say he is pure evil but he too has an agenda. It may be a "good one" or a slightly less bad one when it comes to Transgender issues, than other issues, but still, that tiny segment did no one any favours, I think.
Disclaimer - Yes, I don't particularly like Tucker Carlson for his stance on Economics, Social issues and more, but I find he is closer to the "truth" in this issue than many left leaning journalist, commentators and such..
She didn't perform surgery on herself
@@MrLibtard I'm not trying to exempt the surgeons the psychiatrists or the psychologists.. I'm just saying the way Benjamin Boyce phrases it makes it sound like she was an unwilling participant.
Not saying she hasn't have reason on her side when she thinks the whole process is slanted and unscientific.
She has to take some part of responsability for it.
Not trying to put her down.
@@pmfsv
She didn't have informed consent, so it kinda is an "unwilling participant"
@@MrLibtard she didn't have informed consent? Where did you hear that? Did I miss it?
Wim Hof is dutch 😄
As Ben says towards the end, a lot of man hours have gone into fixing you. Imagine if she had just stopped all the self reflection and found a normal guy instead.
Does this dog seriously bark the entire hour and 20mins? Cuz that is so distracting.
Men and women are only intelligible in relationship to each other. Men only make sense if somewhere out there there is something like a woman and vise versa. We are ordained or ordered towards the sacred gift of life we have all received. I'd recommend anyone look up "final causality".. everything is understandable in terms of how we are ordered towards certain ends and purposes. Flowers are that type of thing that is ordered towards sunlight. We are moved by love, beauty, goodness, joy and the Unmoved Mover.. the ground of being. BEING itself. Himself.. .is God. Discover Aquinas or Peter Kreeft and you will find a philosophical or broad intellectual actual understanding of life.
do you talk to non detrans trans people too, ever?
@@awkwardly_me that's probably true. do u know the answer? will save me some time
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